asciilifeform: in precisely the same way as a cpu where buffer overflows don't happen
asciilifeform: the heart of the matter is that these things were built by folks who simply did not believe in collapse even as a theoretical possibility.
decimation: they just aren't allowed to be built
decimation: there are american nuclear fission designs that depend only on gravity to stop reactions
mircea_popescu: "designed by americans" is quickly becoming the english equivalent of "marfa romaneasca"
asciilifeform: (laugh, but they depend on external current, which - in the event of interruption of the steam turbine, for whatever reason - is supplied with a diesel set)
asciilifeform: american reactors are still, for instance, built in such a way as to be helpless in the face of a total shortage of diesel
mircea_popescu: the "resistance through culture" intellectuals still did a lot to mitigate the sort of damage discussed here
asciilifeform: they imagine an aucalypse where their coinz are now the only valuable thing testable with your teeth, and thereby True Money (tm)
mircea_popescu: but yes. the us is not only just as inclined to outright lie as the su was, it's also blessed with the gift of suck in the shape of a purely imbecile population.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:47:17; mircea_popescu: yet somehow in their minds the idea doesn't form that... hello ? anyone home ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220842 << paging tlp! the au folks aren't trying to win, they are trying to 'feel winners'
asciilifeform: u.s. safety record of the final collapse period will quite likely make the su one look rather good in comparison.
decimation: asciilifeform: my understanding that the "U" dry storage casks are specially designed to be put into 'fast breeder' - for a time when usg comes to its sense
asciilifeform: (then to have'em slowly leak into ground water somewhere)
asciilifeform: has to be ramped up soviet-style - with whiners told to go fuck a duck - rather than usg-style, where they somberly bury the spent rods in a coffin, with christian funeral
decimation: actually this is a side-effect of ramping up fission - it would increase the supply of random shit coming out of the reactor to study
asciilifeform: the incentive for vendor to lie about this, is, obviously, there. but on other hand, if it functions as part of a semiconductor, it more or less ~has~ to be radiologically clean!
asciilifeform: (see also the old reactor gold thread)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220820 << you know, you ~can~ separate out the stable isotopes.
asciilifeform: go, test the hafnium.
decimation: they claim 99.9%
asciilifeform: (do the arithmetic)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220748 << mno. you need the ductility, for ic bonding wires
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:11:44; mircea_popescu: except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?)
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 14:01:46; mircea_popescu: this century will be the rare earths century.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220737 << aaah no, that was the 20th. this one will be the ~lack of rare earths~ century.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220735 << mram is 1) available from my usual suppliers for several years now 2) rather boring on account of costing considerably more than sram+eeprom+supercap+fallbackcontroller
decimation: which is good in the sense of 'could be traded' but bad in the sense of 'oh noes they are dumping onto the market'
decimation: yeah it's a good point. gold is double-edged because it's the thing everyone else is warehousing
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, during THAT EXACT INTERVAL, this set of 10-20 metals did EXACTLY what they had hoped their dead horse would do.
mircea_popescu: my concern was more cultural, so to speak. here are these dudes, maybe 100k of them, all heads counted. they're mostly over 50 white men, who have for 30 years been buying and hoping.
BingoBoingo: <decimation> yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing << Turns out lots are easy to make already, start a wood fire.
decimation: yes, 'buckyball' strands were supposed to be the next big thing
mircea_popescu: anyway. i always thought all the work in fine graphite fibers is really intended to do this, eventually.
decimation: it's the only technology that (mostly) exists that could possibly give a 'european' level of energy use to the entire world
mircea_popescu: but yes, perhaps getting there.
mircea_popescu: the x per day bla bla figure is spurious. obviously there's a shitton of energy there. the problem is we don't yet have the filters.
decimation: he's point is that you could suply 420 kWh per day per person in the entire world if you mined oceanic uranium and used fast breeders to maximally extract energy from it
assbot: Ch 24 Page 164: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBynV6 )
mircea_popescu: i thought you wanted it made the only way we know how to create elements atm.
mircea_popescu: then i misunderstood what you were proposing.
mircea_popescu: decimation the idea was that somehow you create the hafnium you use in your laptop through a fission process that happened during your lifetime.
gribble: Error: Something in there wasn't a valid number.
decimation: sure, but meanwhile all waste products are captured rather than being dumped into the atmosphere
mircea_popescu: but it boils down to the simple fact that if you're a mile away your share of the sphere surface is tiny, whereas if you're surrounding the item, your share's 100%. distance is a much better insulator than mass, because distance goes into the formula ^3. and consequently you're better off a mile away from a ton's worth of criticality than with a gram of the stuff in your colon.
mircea_popescu: (i have the math done on the difference between being exposed to a meltdown outside and being exposed to ingested material, if the obvious difference's aren't obvious i can dig it up)
mircea_popescu: fission may well be the safest method of electricity production. that's not in discussion. a large part of WHY it is the safest involves not sticking bits of a reactor core inside you.
assbot: Ch 24 Page 168: Sustainable Energy - without the hot air | David MacKay ... ( http://bit.ly/1IBxeNw )
mircea_popescu: but i will note for jurov's benefit exactly what the differences are between his great friend to the east and his great friend to the west.
mircea_popescu: you know, just because japan's a colony and ukraine a colony of "the enemy" doesn
mircea_popescu: at least a dozen people died the first week.
mircea_popescu: is this a rehash of the entire russian song and dance about how "nobody died at chernobyl" ?
decimation: fission is by far the safest method of electricity production
mircea_popescu: well in this case the reasons seem to be more like, "because it will kill you painfully."
mircea_popescu: the trawlers that pretty much took all the fish, 1965-2015 can be refurbished to suck out the rare earths too, 2015-2065.
mircea_popescu: otherwise ocean extraction would almost be practicable.
mircea_popescu: yes. the fact that they can't currently be extracted efficiently from electronics scrap speaks volumes.
decimation: well, the us has lots of experience with blotted landscapes due to mining
decimation: the challenge with rare earths isn't finding them or digging them up, it's sorting them and processing them
decimation: you can watch the california rare earth mine in operation! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=id8hDUT5nHQ&list=UU96FUEp85Kk0PdKd9hp8jww
mircea_popescu: i guess alf's observation re kalash bullets, copper and izhevsk is so difficult to grok and utterly advanced people just can't wrap their heads around the fact that copper's not really the only superiority metal.
decimation: it seems the chinese approach is working out better for both parties
decimation: yarvin pointed out the amusing contrast between the us wanting to de-africanize africa and the chinese wanting to take its minerals
mircea_popescu: they laughed at him.
mircea_popescu: iirc obama even whined at the wtc about china rare earth policy
mircea_popescu: and you simply can't beat a value proposition like "either have europium or not be able to display the color red - it's that simple".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile every time china cuts quotas, the futures go into 10x explosions.
mircea_popescu: it's just not a bottleneck atm. sure, maybe it will become. who knew, in the 60s, that mountain pass thing in pasadena would be the most strategically important place in all the us.
mircea_popescu: those are the two main things.
mircea_popescu: except electric contacts are not really where the cut lies atm. optic interactions (hence hafnium - ever seen an ingot with the microflim effect btw ?)
mircea_popescu: europium phosphates for instance are still to this day the only way to get a decent red.
mircea_popescu: (brazil and australia pretty much own the known hf supply atm). in any case, pretty fucking weird that goldbugs and silverheads still insist with their "precious" metals. they're useless. pm freaks of 2015 really should collect hf. cerium. lanthanum. europium. etc.
mircea_popescu: this century will be the rare earths century.
mircea_popescu: prolly hafnium oxide, which should make the world situation ever more interesting.
mircea_popescu: only real clue being the "non volatile" part
mircea_popescu: good for 'em... i wonder if this is the glass thing being discussed for the past year
kakobrekla: dunno but apparently they have working wafers
mircea_popescu: i thought it was built from the clouds down, honestly.
mircea_popescu: i mean what the shit is this even.
mircea_popescu: "Following more than a decade of research and development, 3D XPoint technology was built from the ground up to address the need for non-volatile, high-performance, high-endurance and high-capacity storage and memory at an affordable cost."
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla interesting. tho i don't get enough from that article to figure out how the fuck it'd work
Adlai: no, you're retarted for not reading the logs
shinohai: I'm so retarded. I shulda known there was a dedi chan
chetty: shinohai, join the #eulora chan, best ask folks with experience so far :)
cazalla: https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2015/07/29/executive-order-creating-national-strategic-computing-initiative
BingoBoingo: Oh and Qntra is now at 707 posts. It is now the biggest place a nuclear reactor housing can be expected to survive.
cazalla: same mods there as /r/bitcoin BingoBoingo?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I made it further, but I also started 80000 sooner
BingoBoingo: OBSD does the probably placebo ASLR thing for better or worse
BingoBoingo: With the rest of my stuff running atm I'm almose using 1/3 of my RAM for the first time since I've moved to OpenBSD
BingoBoingo: up to 989.4 MB so well within the pre-patching wiggle room.
mircea_popescu: malloc or any other mechanism has no way out of "gimme 900mb" "only 600 here" "but you promised"
BingoBoingo: Well malloc() tends to aggressively try to keep shit from running into each other
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation. << It does for most things.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i suspect obds SANE. ie, it forces the allocation.
BingoBoingo went from fairly stable 224-236 MB of ram usage to a very flat 986 MB the very flat makes me suspect OpenBSD weird
BingoBoingo: At least I killed the orphanages earlier this week
asciilifeform: at the very least, ought to have ciphered 24/7 circuits between the reptilia supernodez
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: are you still using a random phoundation turd instead of therealbitcoin for your measurements ?
asciilifeform: anyone who is wedged - straight there.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: There's a second one a bit later
pete_dushenski: so eatblock handled the magick fuzz block
mircea_popescu: no, it was wedged to allow study of the wedge point.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform anyway, im bringing the original node back on to help along.
asciilifeform: 'The Air once threatened to expire. / "Oh help me, help, celestial Sire," / She cried with sadly clouded gaze; "I'm stupid, torpid, in a daze, / You always know a way, Papa, / Send me on cruises, to a spa, / sour milk is counseled for the skin... / If not -- I'll call the Devil in!" / The Lord, not to be shamed by Air, / Invented "sound massage" for her. / We've had since then the world that SCREAMS. / And Air just rolls in it
mircea_popescu: i gotta confess watching the idjits squirm is kinda fun.
BingoBoingo: I just have to wonder what idiocy is going to break everything the first weekend of September
mircea_popescu: because they're running "the newest version" which "always works". in the sense of not.
BingoBoingo: lol bc.i fixed their shit and got constipated again
asciilifeform: 'A gloomy ass one morning said / Unto his mate of board and bed: / "I am so dumb, you are so dumb, / Let us seek death together, come!" / As it turned out (and often will), / The two are blithely living still.' (c. morgenstern, engl. transl. of w. arndt)
asciilifeform: The Supernode Lifestyle ! (TM) (R) (rpietilla)
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/55ea021f780d943cafd61a05a2cc2412/tumblr_n2bykb7IEI1rpyus3o1_1280.jpg
assbot: [BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )
asciilifeform: another interesting discovery: when the 'socket closed' wedge state is in progress, 'getinfo' rpc wedges
mircea_popescu: whjy use static buffers when one can be a danger to the system
mircea_popescu: iirc bdb just makes assumptions about what memory it may allocate and dies at the later time if they get contradicted
mircea_popescu: im pretty certain said magic numbers actually make it impossible for a block to be crafted legally and still crash your bdb, soi there's that.
asciilifeform: i've been rebuilding it for the 3rd time now
asciilifeform: good old usg-actually-owning-the-fucking-net
mircea_popescu: anyway there's a reason for the magic numbers too, something to do with theoretical maximums of a 1mb block but i don't recall what THAT was either.
mircea_popescu: in the source of who ?
asciilifeform: there are set_lk_max_locks
asciilifeform: in the fucking source
mircea_popescu: "there are no" where ?
asciilifeform: there are no 'set_lk_max_lockers'
asciilifeform: 'incitatus' is a penIII with 512MB and will be shut down in the next week.
mircea_popescu: but that does not excuse the pos bdb is.
assbot: Logged on 05-07-2015 15:33:42; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-07-2015#1187470 << what i was saying there bears repeating. if we had a fleet of pogos deployed, they would ~all~ be paperweights now. and for so long as we use the cpp turd, there can be no guarantee of this kind of thing not happening in the future.
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> the gnomes figured out a magic amount of bytes that got accepted by some but not all, except it seems their beloved bc.i got caught in the fire << bc.i gets caught in every fire.
cazalla: and they all give the expected response of "i'm gonna think about my food more often in future" instead of hey, imma get some chickens and do this at home
cazalla: punkman, what a lost generation, can't even kill a chicken without getting out their phone to post it on fkn instagram
asciilifeform: what the max value that bdb will eat, remains unknown.
punkman: this probably comes from derpy indexes and structures used by bitcoind, not the blockchain
trinque: I modeled this thing with ben_vulpes one day on a whiteboard; the blockchain is not an impossibly complex data structure
trinque: at least in this conversation we *are* talking about databases; the above is insanely shit
trinque: asciilifeform | BingoBoingo: is there a particular reason we didn't set that knob to maxint ?
asciilifeform will answer when the greps output
BingoBoingo: And then it didn't
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is there a particular reason we didn't set that knob to maxint ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I just upped the DB shit to 80000, backed up my blockchain, and recompiled
decimation: "They also pointed out that the aircraft is still under development and that full production is not scheduled until 2019, 17 years after the program’s inception. And they wondered whether the Pentagon really need 2,443 of the planes “in light of countervailing pressure to reduce force structure to conserve resources.”"
assbot: The Marines say the controversial F-35 fighter is now ready for combat. Now what? - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCd5HZ )
asciilifeform: but the conclusion does not follow
asciilifeform: they're all firmly wedged
punkman: so they got wedged pretty bad?
decimation: I'm not sure on that point, would need to read the code
trinque: I'm reading through the code, just trying to prime on whatever knowledge is handy
decimation: I can't enumerate them all, but the network code, for instance, runs in a different thread than the db code for instace
trinque: processing incoming barf from other nodes, yes?
decimation: heh. there's several threads running simultaneously
trinque: in my mental model of this thing there are not 40k things needing to be locked anywhere
trinque: but what collides in bitcoind, these are transaction records?
decimation: folks can't be bothered to actually think about how to design things without collisions
BingoBoingo: trinque: It seemed like a safer number than the one that wedged before
trinque: like... what's the cost of making the threads just *not bump into each other* vs using locks because "that's what you do with concurrent code" ?
trinque: ben_vulpes: what's the thing even locking?
BingoBoingo: At least they could run AIX
trinque: punkman: if it makes you feel better, the guy that yelled at me re: trannies, and which wrote tenyks, lost 130 odd btc that way
punkman: but then you take a walk and it comes back to you
punkman: the realization this trove of data is forever lost, sinking in
punkman: "Why don't you use short keys? They scale better"
trinque: breaking the social contract lol
punkman: "There is now a pull request to remove mention of "zero or low fees", "fast international payments", and "instant peer-to-peer transactions" from bitcoin.org. For those non-technical users who do not read source code, this may come across as the breaking of the social contract on what Bitcoin is ultimately intended to be."
trinque: then from the other angle, maybe she looked great in that dress, and the neckbeards couldn't take the heat
mircea_popescu: that's what i would like it to mean. "this was coded by a girl" should be the indication that if i follow the fucking thing, i get the intended result. NOT some error message.
punkman: (the article)
punkman: it's mostly about clothes
mircea_popescu: girlhood's something you hopefully grow out of. failure to grow out of it is the definition of retardation.
mircea_popescu: no dude, not heartbreakingly. the only human dumb enough to imagine girlhood's right is the girl in question.
trinque: the kittne!
mircea_popescu: and in other news, kittens! http://36.media.tumblr.com/e519966614bc428712a590649c7b6c83/tumblr_mm6tm0a3LP1ryf5q7o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: was just going after the math angle of it for a second
mircea_popescu: for bonus points, offer preference criterion (would A or B be more beneficial if added to the set)
mircea_popescu: (the problem, ftr, is : you get a set of tools, with arbitrary durability. you can mix any set (which floor-averages), and decay any individual tool (fixed rate). make a collection of 9 with durabilities from 1 to 9)
BingoBoingo: My favorite part of reading my debug.log is getting to see all the transactions that don't make it to the mempool
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron you got the actual function to select optimal usage/mixage of tools given a set ?
mircea_popescu: well, asciilifeform would say it is, sure. but there's levels in triviality.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron prolly should publishe the whole thing monday. it's not a trivial math problem
mircea_popescu: in fact - pretty much everything in the "received knowledge" of jews is hysterically counter-realistic to anyone who has you know, actually travelled.
BingoBoingo: All interested parties here is my debug.log http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/debug.log
mircea_popescu: amusingly, the jew, coptic and muslim groups crossed borders, too!
punkman: so if Hearn trusts in the Gospel of Satoshi, why isn't he running 0.1 or 0.5.3? "No it wasn't. That is something you invented yourself much later. "Small devices" isn't even defined anywhere, so there can't have been any such understanding. The actual understanding was the opposite. Satoshi's words: ..."
mircea_popescu: ie, to the 10-100 satoshi
mircea_popescu: and seeiong how their lyra was at the time ~a quarter, i expect they got the value of txn just about precisely enough to be usable in bitcoin
decimation: I suppose cooperating in this way, the whole town is 'walmart'
decimation: they are a culture of middlemen
mircea_popescu: and the other guy would sell me whatever and then pass the original guy a bill or two.
decimation: I suppose the 'market' will just be what happens naturally as folks shop around for reliable nodes
BingoBoingo: !up TheButterZone
decimation: it's more like it's 1906 in the aircraft business
decimation: re: tx fees & relays: it would be interesting if there could be some kind of market for fees
trinque: damn right there's not
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i doubt the scamfoundation/obsolete bitcoind will be resurectable on the mid term.
punkman: Q: Is there a Django Girls for men? A: There doesn't seem to be a need for Django Boys at the moment.
mircea_popescu: they're like purposefully useless.
mircea_popescu: "The ability to answer all sorts of questions in a beginner-friendly way (even if that means the explanation isnt technically precise)"
trinque: punkman: how in the fuck do you think without judging?
punkman: "Make sure their experience is positive and that they have fun. Do not judge, be helpful and appreciate their (in-)abilities."
mircea_popescu: sad that they've gotten us girls so ashamed of cupcakes by now it gotta be a "tasting", it can't be just you know, EATING
punkman: "The one rule they have adhered to throughout the Django Girls process is to "always go the extra mile" and the details of the workshops show this, they said. The room is decorated with flowers and balloons, rather than being a "boring classroom" and they do fun things like cupcake tasting or yoga during the day. "
punkman: mircea_popescu: trinque you old enough to remember when neobee took over cypruss or notrly ? << I remember their derpy tv ads, unfortunately couldn't find them recently, wanted to show a friend
gribble: The operation succeeded.
cazalla: ;;later tell mark_zuckerberg hey, grats on the daughter, she'll come of age just in time! http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/07/31/the-zuckerbergs-announce-theyre-expecting-a-baby-after-a-personal-struggle/
BingoBoingo: Just there, not here
BingoBoingo: I'm at 367850 but apparently there is a 367857 floating around somewhere?
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-07-2015#1219896 <<< i've seen so many of these floating around that i think they publish it to facebook on purpose
trinque: refreshing break from the endless horse-shit elsewhere
mircea_popescu: 11,219 words woot, is that the record ?
asciilifeform: hanbot might find out the next time asciilifeform visits
hanbot wonders if asciilifeform has also secretly already written the match trick solution
mircea_popescu: for they ion the know : i got a pile of specialty chocolates here, and i will win the fight!
mircea_popescu: it's no emergency really, if its in by the next halving it's soon enough.
mircea_popescu: in fact it may actually be more productive for nearby miner to mine based off our nodes than the stupid shit the chinese do currenty
assbot: Stupid Patent of the Month: Trolls Go After Sex Toy Manufacturers | Electronic Frontier Foundation ... ( http://bit.ly/1VSbQJn )
asciilifeform: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/07/stupid-patent-month-do-it-computer << in other lulz
mircea_popescu: and other such things.
mircea_popescu: im currently about 1/3 the reason bitpay even stays in business, fwiw (not much).
mircea_popescu: we also don't die if we miss the crumbs.
mircea_popescu: suppose we're in the park. "throw the crumbs over there" "but the birds won't see them" "doesn't matter, we're the only things that matter here" "but we don't cluck"
asciilifeform: except that, as i understand, this is a mechanism where miner is one of the moving parts
mircea_popescu: us maniacs are really all that matters, in the grander scheme of things.