asciilifeform: kakobrekla: it was officially proclaimed, at one point, that the sole remaining american land-based nuke delivery vehicle, 'minuteman', is 100% vax-powered
asciilifeform: instead, it is, e.g., transplanted to a 486 using the emulator mentioned earlier, handwritten by a fella with prolly a metre-long beard
asciilifeform: i will add, btw, that yes, i know that 'code from 1973' is not 'maintained' in the modern idiot bottomless-barrel-of-bug sense
trinque: at least there are sigs; I don't really care about having identical mail headers to the originals
trinque: I wrote a python script last night that turds together maildir mail from the txt dumps, but it's a hack at best
kakobrekla: heh, re pdp, apparently http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/06/19/nuke_plants_to_keep_pdp11_until_2050/
asciilifeform: iirc the 'cypherpunk' folks thought of themselves as anonymous soldiers trying to pave the way for 'lords' to use key without insta-flagging
mircea_popescu: do not expect a girl with a collar is actually a slave - she probably thought it looks good for her facebook ; do not expect someone with a pgp key is a lord - they probably were just trying to impress someone.
mircea_popescu: alrighty then. that was my sad storyt for today.
asciilifeform: and then gives it out to demented bums
asciilifeform: which prints the payola
asciilifeform: not the flies on his horns.
asciilifeform: easy: the ox
asciilifeform: and the condom injection molds going
asciilifeform: the industry, in actuality, is grey beards maintaining code written in 1973, which keeps the water mains pressurized and the lights on.
mircea_popescu: trying to feed themselves out of used condoms left behind in dark alleys
mircea_popescu: the "industry", such as it is, is fucking google, holding hackathons
asciilifeform: (as do a great many american .mil systems, of the kind which still work)
mircea_popescu: since then, everyone's just been trying to salvage utility out of the kids' roleplaying
trinque: you're going to get fake representations out of most, if it cuts it with the people looking at them
mircea_popescu: possibly the last time anyone did anything for serious with computers was in tyhe 80s.
mircea_popescu: and then forgot about it.
mircea_popescu: case B : kid sees girl in bar, works up his courage until 3am, eventually approaches her and explains that he's into kinky stuff. which works out, because she always dreamed about being raped, so they meet in dark alley and have some great sex.
mircea_popescu: case A : kid sees girl in bar. waits for moment when no-one's looking around 3am, kloinks her in the head with bottle, drags her dark alley outside, shreds her clothes and her virginity.
asciilifeform: and the 'pretend culture' at least in as far as it concerns public key crypto, was a very deliberate plank of the 'cypherpunk' folks - 'let's use crypto for every piece of shit, to defeat traffic analysis'
mircea_popescu: anyway : there's this entire pretend culture, and it goes very deep. dunno how to properly illustrate it in its meta splendor.
mircea_popescu: orly ? i thought he just dumps code someone emailed him intop the kernel.
asciilifeform: but how often? between him and the gods. i wouldn't know
mircea_popescu suddenly realised, sometimes last night, that the deep reason nothing works is simply that - all of it was made on a lark.
asciilifeform: what i mean to say is, the folks selected for this special delicacy treat, were selected presumably for reasons ?
mircea_popescu: i bet you, dollars to donuts, that they signed it for "wouldn';t it be cool if" reasons. an d the thing doesn't actually work / is not full lengthj /.trivially defeated on some op sec hole or other.
asciilifeform: and some of the maths students may have had something or other to say to someone or other
asciilifeform: had at least in their own planet, a use
asciilifeform: idk, the 'update signing key' people
mircea_popescu: they just have no business here.
mircea_popescu: the impersonated ones, i mean.
asciilifeform: as in, nothing ever changed from their signature being on it or not ?
asciilifeform: 'go to the place - where? no one knows, and bring me back that - which? no one knows' (tm)
mircea_popescu: this includes the pgp mailing list.
mircea_popescu: because hey, that's the way to do things.
asciilifeform: punkman: nope. and it would almost certainly vanish in their spam filter, also.
mircea_popescu: you got one schmuck exercising his right to be idiotic is the sumall.
punkman: asciilifeform: did you email all of the already? I remember some mention of emails
asciilifeform: i suppose now that their names have been 'googleable' for months, and still no reaction - this conclusion is nearly inescapable
mircea_popescu: neither class wants to talk to you about it, for different reasons.
mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
asciilifeform: what, ~nobody on the list~ has brain ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: would like to find what they have in common ?
mircea_popescu: fuck em, why would you care/bother ?
asciilifeform: (doubt it will have any effect. perhaps ought to consider spamming them?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i wrote a short post last night, linking to an archive.today of the phuctored list, and exhorting the folks whose names appear therein to write
trinque: "Common Lisp is a big-city language. Spit out the hayseed, pronounce "shit" with one syllable and "shotgun" with two." << wahahaha
asciilifeform: the troll lives on sunshine
punkman: every ;;isup trilema.com feeds the troll
asciilifeform: prolly more of the usual
ben_vulpes: "we can, therefore we must"
ben_vulpes: (but ascii - i /can/ mutate in place, therefore i /must/!)
asciilifeform: re: binary-types, see esp. the mirror link, for example
asciilifeform: but the whole point of a computer is that you do the 50, so you don't have to do the 50,000 over next 20 years.
asciilifeform: then you will have a jewel in your toolbox that you can use 20 years from now
ben_vulpes: well how'd i know without putting myself up for the cane
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:01:52; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << do forgive my ignorance, but what am i missing about converting the "command" into a string? (Adlai, asciilifeform, your eyes'd be appreciated too)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1222073 << this is seriously, deeply 'un-lispy' code. it explicitly reads fields!!! what you oughta do is define the 'message' structure in the most minimal way you can think of, and then write a routine that snarfs any structure defined that way, whatever it may be.
asciilifeform: punkman: the linked page is connected to a live pool. and demands password (presumably subscriptions are sold?)
asciilifeform: why the fuck are 0-valued outputs spendable !?
asciilifeform: the latter is ~entirely irrelevant~ to a call graph!
asciilifeform: the most critical thing re: the graph is probably to make it reflect ~only function calls~ rather than class membership
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf http://paste.lisp.org/display/152828#1 << do forgive my ignorance, but what am i missing about converting the "command" into a string? (Adlai, asciilifeform, your eyes'd be appreciated too)
asciilifeform: then simulated-anneal.
asciilifeform: can give the 'atoms' electrostatic-style charge, so they repel, and the bonds - 'strain', so they contract
asciilifeform: except there is no reason to make it a clicking and dragging game
asciilifeform: the above observation is not a criticism of solrodar's work, but of the catastrophically inadequate existing tooling
asciilifeform: this conveys ~zero~ useful information. in particular, the fact that 'CNode :: PushVersion' is a deadcode island is no longer visually apparent.
asciilifeform: and, after you do this, aside from the nightmare of intersecting lines and bubbles light-years away from their ~only~ antecedent, etc,
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's keep it simple. have you loaded the svg in gimp and examined the picture painted.
asciilifeform: the place i'm trying to go with this is: dead code ought not be in The Book, except - in the one and only case where it pre-dates gavin et al, it could be shoved into an appendix
asciilifeform used grep to answer the question, unambiguous 'no'
asciilifeform: well i just gave an example. can you tell from that picture whether it is theoretically possible for the 'subscription' routines to be called?
asciilifeform: and indeed, i see no graph path to them
asciilifeform: trinque's gcov paint these a very deep red (0 runs)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp#0526 << interestingly, these appear to be dead code. what were they meant for ?
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asciilifeform: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fi92w/how_important_are_individual_full_nodes_and_how << check out the philippinos
asciilifeform: but the 'black hole' effect, also.
mircea_popescu: how long it's been on is the largest factor for that metric.
asciilifeform: though, strangely enough, the best-performing (e.g., fewest 'black hole' issues) node in my fleet thus far has been 'zoolag', which is sitting under my desk, on residential fiber
mircea_popescu: 100% mainstream anywhere outside of "my mother had me with a retard" land.
mircea_popescu: mainstream all the things.
mircea_popescu: but forget the discreet bs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fortunately there is wildlife that lives on usg-free net, whose turds one can follow to find the forest. i speak, of course, of crapware artists and sp4mz0rz
asciilifeform: <mircea_popescu> obviously c will compile for anything. but not by itself! << my point was that i put a complete kit in there. that will build x86_64 on whatever you like, x86-32, cray, pdp11.
mircea_popescu: lulz of today : if one googles for bulletproof hosting stuff in the last month, the first 5 results are this dumbass trendmicro "report", and the rest references to it. like : "A new report from TrendLabs -- the research arm of security company Trend Micro -- uncovers the existence of what it calls 'Bulletproof Hosting Services' (BPHSs) which provide"
mircea_popescu: it's after all how the soviets ended.
mircea_popescu: gotta get back to the good old 80s "if you follow the law you're unfuckable, an idiot and get lost"
chetty: <mircea_popescu> it's purely a pr thing. got to get people used to the idea that they MUST say they despise the usg.// just the usg? lots of other places seem equally worthy of it
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you're a nihilist. everything's ultimately based on nothing as fatr as you're concerned, if you're willing to take the time and look.
mircea_popescu: it's purely a pr thing. got to get people used to the idea that they MUST say they despise the usg.
mircea_popescu: and yes, it's a difficult principle to apply uniformly, and yes i don't universally managing atm. nevertheless, i'm not taking stuff back to the dumbass world. and yes i think it'd be just grand if everyone follows it wherever possible.
mircea_popescu: you understand how grandfathering works right ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just looked at online.net. nowhere does it advertise hosting illegal content. i'm not giving them any money.
mircea_popescu: i point and laugh at the locals six digit price delusions for real estate in the dead centre of ba.
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 04:02:50; decimation: http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Aspen-Colorado/ "Average price per square foot for Aspen CO was $909, an increase of 23% compared to the same period last year."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221858 << how the fuck does this work, 1k per sqft omfg.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221842 << exactly. the behaviour itself can not be reproduced over lans.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221813 << how is a 32 bit machine going to build for another platform if one doesn't deliberately put the "build for other platforms" code in there!
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 01:30:55; asciilifeform: (which was, that www makes things very easy for the censor, much easier at any rate than rounding up 10,000 books to burn)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221808 << ok, but the broad point is still "technology makes it easier". sure. to what ? to whatever. sure.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: No idea of impact on TheRealBitcoin if any
BingoBoingo: So, since everyone is apparently looking at db behavior in BTC now... A few hours ago I reset my BIOS clock back a full day. Rightly It refused to acknowledge blocks more than two hours into the future. Then I reset clock to be right. Client refused to correct itself all at once. However many block it scooped up in the verifying databases phase seems to be as far as it got before permawedgeing. Killing and restating fixed issue. B
a3voices: cool well now I have a pgp key for the first time
BingoBoingo: What bring you around these parts?
BingoBoingo: I just remember when the satosi@gmx.com email address was "revived"
BingoBoingo: decimation: I've been following it a bit, but I dunno how much to trust the source
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decimation: BingoBoingo: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3fe92x/im_ashley_barr_aka_adam_turner_the_first_mtgox/ < might be good for some lulz
BingoBoingo: trinque: I'm not watching if I hear it is interesting may acquire later. Otherwise, just liked the odds
assbot: Bethe Correia vows to take fight to Ronda Rousey in UFC title match - LA Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1IgM48i )
decimation: http://worldif.economist.com/article/8/what-if-the-panama-canal-gets-a-rival-trench-warfare-in-nicaragua "After all, what wouldn’t China pay to see one of its naval fleets one day emerging from the Central American jungle right under America’s nose?"
BingoBoingo put a bitcent against rousey tonight on a shitbook for the lulz
BingoBoingo: I'll prolly just wait for Eulora emacs edition. There's no source package floating around for cg toolkit so it won't openBSD unless I rip it out.
assbot: SUPERMICRO MBD-H9SKV-420 Mini ITX Server Motherboard BGA 769 (FT3) AMD G-series SOC DDR3 1600 - Newegg.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCTBnt )
assbot: Woodbury House Gallery | The Contemporary Art Market Trends - January 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1MCToAr )
decimation: http://woodbury-house.com/the-contemporary-art-market-trends-january-2015/ "Over the last ten years, the Art market has grown from $22bn in 2003 to $56,1bn in 2013. All in all, what will be probably reminded from 2014, are the astronics turnovers realized by Sotheby’s and Christie’s on Contemporary art auction in 2014."
decimation: http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/11968-Southampton/ "Average price per square foot for homes in 11968 was $1,010, an increase of 81.7% compared to the same period last year. "
decimation: http://www.trulia.com/real_estate/Aspen-Colorado/ "Average price per square foot for Aspen CO was $909, an increase of 23% compared to the same period last year."
decimation: http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/31/weak-recovery-makes-for-wage-winners-and-losers.html " That's why many economists are scratching their heads after the latest quarterly data Friday showed that overall compensation in the three months ending in June inched up at the slowest pace since 1982. "
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: pgp.mit.edu was a gold mine for academic keys they may not have made the transition to sks. I retrieved manually though by schoool.
decimation: granted, there are measurements that show more improvement, but 4 years and 45-22nm buys you as little as 17% improvement
decimation: The 4690K is just 32% faster than the 760 in Excel, 25% faster in 7-Zip and just 17% on average when comparing gaming performance."
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ben_vulpes: <TheNewDeal> a new deal of sorts << i will give you points for this even if nobody else will
ben_vulpes: <BingoBoingo> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221623 << I made a point of hunting 1990's keys from universities to feed the Phuctor. Many were of short length. I though maybe they'd fall first and prime the beast, but... << bb you're awesome
asciilifeform: it is precisely as if someone were snipping out just the packets with useful payload, while leaving enough in place to leave the connection open.
decimation: asciilifeform: doesn't it seem more likely that there's something fucktarded about the sync code?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'The cash was seized, pending an inquiry that was hampered by the individuals initial refusal to provide any information about its source. Once the investigation was complete and no basis for forfeiting the cash had been established, it was handed back.' << ahahahaha
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:13:47; mircea_popescu: you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs)
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:40:51; mircea_popescu: i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221792 << as easy as setting up for 'arm' build, etc. change the knob.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221769 << other than the polish chick (joana rutkowska [sp?]) - not known to me
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 00:39:22; mircea_popescu: gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ?
asciilifeform: (which was, that www makes things very easy for the censor, much easier at any rate than rounding up 10,000 books to burn)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-08-2015#1221782 << my brain pulls its frequent trick; i distinctly recalled there being a point in that thing
TheNewDeal: I'm thinking of adding perhaps 2 days equivalent timeweight. Say weight it 21000, two days ago weight was 23600. I would accept your amount, and pay out on the timeweight two days prior, 23600. Terms negotiable
TheNewDeal: if anyone is interested in taking the no side on this https://bitbet.us/bet/1153/btc-to-top-350-before-september/ . leave me a note and perhaps we can strike a deal
mircea_popescu: and before anyone wants to tell me the author has five concubines gifted by from cornell west and is widely respected by robed pamplonocrats or w/e : i dun give a shit kthx.
mircea_popescu: aka "note : my idiocy falls apart at hte most cursory examination, but i am the sort of dumb schmuck that aims to insulate himself from this by waving hands and weaving words, rather than a thninking person"
mircea_popescu: "Note: I am well aware that dynamic documents are a huge, gaping, ugly hole in the digital imprimatur scheme. I have not expended a great deal of effort thinking about ways to better secure such documents; I'm sure this issue will be explored in detail"
trinque: gernika: there are knobs in buildroot for that
mircea_popescu: i dunno that any of the currently standing nodes are on 32 bit platforms
mircea_popescu: gernika it's a wonder they built, you had multilib installed for some reason ?
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221623 << I made a point of hunting 1990's keys from universities to feed the Phuctor. Many were of short length. I though maybe they'd fall first and prime the beast, but...
trinque: gernika: anything interesting from dumpelf on the file?
gernika: mod6 Built v0.5.4-TEST2 with rotor but can't run it on the system I built it on because: "-bash: ./bitcoind: cannot execute binary file: Exec format error." This is on gentoo built from stage3-i486-20150728.tar.bz2
mircea_popescu: eve's like one of maybe five people in the jewish cannon i'd consider hanging with
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, maybe because in crypto the attacker is usually called Eve
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 22:21:53; punkman: " the attacker is not able to forge new valid signatures, but Seifert’s attack allows the attacker to pass — with a certain probability — the signature verification step, for a message of her choice, by corrupting the public modulus"
mircea_popescu: the balance of any address is a longint.
mircea_popescu: you end up with a pile of html files that would conceivably be smaller than the blockchain (no sigs)
mircea_popescu: suppose you accept a new block. now you do 1) list it in /blocks/ ; 2) iterate over all the txn it includes, list them in /txn/ ; 3) iterate over all addresses included, add and substract from /addresses/address.html
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know nothing prevents you from doing even the balance, in plain html.
kakobrekla: i dont see why save all html files beforehand if you can just dumpblock on the fly, its a stupid operations it gets done fast.
mircea_popescu: what, they've not invented dating in their culture ? what is this, polinesia online ?
mircea_popescu: what is the point of even fucking existing if one's going to be this dumb ?
mircea_popescu: re that "academic" link earlier : wtf is WRONG with these people. i can not see a date onthe page.
trinque: people "MVC", then it's memcached this and redis that
mircea_popescu: if disks are gonna fill with rubbish, i want it to be my meaningless rubbish, not theirs.
kakobrekla: plain html and db on disk and stuff < yes we want another duplicate of useless stuff stored in blockchain files
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes yeah, there's a reason i keep saying plain html and db on disk and stuff
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes others arent that much smaller
shinohai: then i have no framework
ben_vulpes: ah jesus insight is a shitshow that much i know from pissing on the fence in question
shinohai: abe sucks, i'd rather rebuild bitpay insight -css
ben_vulpes: o well then
kakobrekla: they are all miserable.
kakobrekla: ben_vulpes sure, and a bunch of other explorers.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla there maybe is or maybe is not.
kakobrekla: theres a reason for that.
mircea_popescu: gernika the difference being that he's poor.
kakobrekla: ftr, toshi (postgres) currently has 488 gb database for the 30 or so gigs of blockchain
trinque: I shall do neither.
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mircea_popescu: gernika quite exactly. reference : http://trilema.com/2014/why-dogecoin-is-a-scam-why-the-people-pushing-it-are-assholes-why-business-insider-is-a-contemptible-piece-of-shit-why-anyone-who-ever-worked-for-it-will-be-dancing-in-the-street-for-nickels-and-wh/#selection-273.0-281.82
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> it can list them. < not trivially.
gernika: Is the pederast epithet a reference to older VCs getting kicks from paying a bunch of young hacker boys to hang out with them?
mircea_popescu: i guess you need magic to add them, fine, whatevs.
mircea_popescu: it can list them.
kakobrekla: keep messing up these things.
mircea_popescu: i enjoy making their investments worthless for purely political reasons. pederasts gotta learn.
mircea_popescu: also the fact that "any node can stand up a block explorer" is just the pill to sink the fucktarded "oh herp, we invested in bc.i" shitticon valley crap.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i see the use of a block explorer website with 0 js on it.
trinque: I hear it's getting big these days
trinque: seems like looking for log messages in the code would be a decent way to find where to hook
mircea_popescu: at all points there's a purely injective function from blockchain to blockexplorer html pile
kakobrekla: of all the things
shinohai: no then you are unwittingly pegged, like a fat McWhore
kakobrekla: bitcoind on its own gives you ability to do approx nothing. it cant tell me unspent output of an address unless that address is in the wallet (watch only suffices).
trinque: I know, saying where he can get the data
mircea_popescu: why do it on demand ? just dump out the "block explorer" material as you process the txn
trinque: not bolted, should make use thereof
mircea_popescu: i was thinking you write it in c++, like the rest of the code, can be compiled as an addon
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:40:14; shinohai: Is there still interest in a lame block explorer if i pursue the project?
shinohai * mircea_popescu has the chinese miners on his side
Apocalyptic: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: anvin's, for instance, is missing // interesting, did you notice any other key that has been pulled out ?
mircea_popescu: the idea (correct, btw) was to pre-create a pool.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:35:28; jurov: i just wanted to point out that creating new adresses on the fly isn't universally better than generating the from seed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221397 << it's provably the same thing lol.
cazalla: and i contacted them saying hey, perhaps you'd like to link to the original instead of a copy wrapped in adsense but he declined
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221373 << not necessary, one'd hope. bitbet has been running off the same set of addresses forever.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1220928 <<< forbes didn't lift an article but linked to another site which lifted a qntra story which was an exclusive
mircea_popescu: for the future.
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:23:09; Apocalyptic: in other news from the factoring mines I managed to get the complete factorization of the shortest phuctored modulus so far: http://nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/976AAB6D6B7F325843FF0E3653C219B9D6738C5F016F72973E311181614ECAF5
assbot: Logged on 01-08-2015 21:15:24; Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I avoids to have access to an rng at any further point
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-08-2015#1221312 << check it out, the perpetuum entropible.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, that random accident at the beginning passed, the correct storage schema for bitcoin blockchain is fixed 1mb blocks.