decimation: although it looks like the colorado river will be up
BingoBoingo: This year though with the water so far has been awfully bad for orchards.
BingoBoingo: Dry summers kill crops. Hot wet summers kill crops. The best a we winter does here is offers crops a marginal head start.
BingoBoingo: Winter doesn't really matter much in the scheme of things outside the California desert.
decimation: yeah makes sense. looks like usg's weather bureau is calling for a cold and wet winter for the southern half of the us
BingoBoingo: I'd use a stronger word than terribly, but... local fields look like shit. Shit corn and god only knows if the soy will produce beans before becoming silage. I expect the mold to cause more than a few dairy die offs when it makes it to silage.
decimation: yeah it's been terribly wet in the midwest
BingoBoingo: www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/08/04/russia_locust_invasion_swarms_of_locusts_devastate_crops_defy_government.html << Meanwhile no US news stories on the molds which are going to reduce North American grain yields substantially this year.
decimation: asciilifeform: surely in ru/ukraine they have something similar
assbot: Logged on 18-07-2015 21:13:26; jurov: and its brother makovník, best stuffed by so much poppy seed that it makes you very sleepy
decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-07-2015#1205975 < jurov got me interested in the european 'poppy bread'
asciilifeform: the internashnal komyoooonity helped to change this.
BingoBoingo: Back in 1910 US was rotting with tincures of opium. Now Zohydro is stocked to the gills in most pharmacies.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin << US pretty rotten with heroin too. DEA pressure on doctors and economy will do that.
asciilifeform: pushing opium at the untermenschen is a long, proud anglo tradition.
decimation: well, what else are they gonna grow? dirt?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan) << Medical poppy in India, Culinary poppy in Eastern Europe, and Recreational poppy in Afghanistan
asciilifeform: they did help afghan restart opium
asciilifeform: the common belief in ru, i will note, is that usg involvement in afghan is ~strictly, solely~ so that ru cities are rotted with heroin
asciilifeform: (cheapest still when there are armies ~defending~ your fields - e.g., u.s. army in afghan)
asciilifeform: decimation: poppy is cheaper - but only when there are no armies coming at you for growing'em
decimation: same thing. I think they still grow poppies for us opiate industry
asciilifeform: or did they succeed in keeping this under wraps
asciilifeform: for instance, where are the u.s. coast guard interdictors sunk by quadcopter-borne demolition charges ?
BingoBoingo: There's already opiate shitting e. coli probably it will take one niche at a time.
asciilifeform: i can hardly think of any industry more idiotically hidebound than the dope folks
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope << Soon
asciilifeform: or for that matter, let transgenic e.coli piss out the active ingredients of the dope
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, decimation: after a certain energy cost, the balance tips to 'grow it in goatfuckistan and fly in on horizon-hugging drone'
BingoBoingo: And then add time and a low IR signature
decimation: well, it appears to cost 5x up front for roughly double the efficiency
decimation: granted, it's less efficent, but you gotta invest for the long term to make back that kind of money
BingoBoingo: There's always $$$ involved in industry.
BingoBoingo: Honestly by now I'd expect them to embrace the LED efficienty or build their own reactors.
decimation: well, I'm assuming most installations use several of these 1000w units
BingoBoingo: Then change color temperature to maximise flowering
BingoBoingo: <decimation> ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights << Best part of spectrum for plant growth.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> poor idiots, broadcasting 'i am growing weed!' for miles << I remember freshman year of undergrad being high as fuck reading about infared indentification of marijuana and not realizing till I sobered up that they were talking grow lights and not smoke.
decimation: I can't imagine that these lights are installed safely
decimation: ah apparently they use 1000w high pressure sodium lights
decimation: spams the entire world
decimation: yeah actually if the conditions are right you could pick that stuff up from 1000 miles away
decimation: "Being anonymous and trying to fly under "the radar" is not easy when you are generating this much RF interference. The fourth item in the table was 1/2 mile away and still was easily heard on 40 meters.
asciilifeform: what are they using, arc lights ?
decimation: there is if you are a dumbfuck
asciilifeform: there is nothing intrinsically noisy re: fucking lamp
decimation: hams would be the last to know
decimation: hams complain to the fcc: why aren't you cracking down on noisy-ass producers?
decimation: who else is gonna keep people off their bands
decimation: asciilifeform: they do more than just report 'pirates'
decimation: my understanding is that the fcc doesn't give a fuck unless it interferes with broadcast radio or aircraft
asciilifeform: to the point where usg proper barely ever has to hunt for'em
asciilifeform: as for shortwave, virtually nobody owns their band properly speaking - the crackpot stations lease a time slot (typically, weekly)
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son) << The part where cellular is worthless?
decimation: asciilifeform: it's a big deal, hams know their number is up
BingoBoingo: Sure, but on the used market there seems to be some actually interesting rigs made for it with broad listening spectrum.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you may also discover the little 'secret' re: how ham folks keep usg from selling their spectrum to the highest bidder (or most favourite son)
decimation: but it takes years of 'reading logs' to know what's on there
assbot: List of assigned /8 IPv4 address blocks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ma9YIW )
decimation: not all of them, some are controlled by us corps
asciilifeform: all ultimately controlled by the 'international komyooonity' aka usg
decimation: the 'shortage of ipv4 addresses' is strictly imaginary
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << wanna bet this will be parcelled out for strictly nominal fee (if any) to favourite sons? just like fucking radio spectrum << Probably not yet. This seems like a clean return to keep the fire burning. Now later...
BingoBoingo: Seems like the most stable thing
decimation: no, you see bitcoin is unusable because the btc/usd price swings wildly
BingoBoingo: Loosing comes later... in the ass
BingoBoingo: Loosing to ISIL and the Internet
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mircea_popescu: in the same vein, http://40.media.tumblr.com/dc5617142344a8a695c2367e21a5e726/tumblr_mq2205wTMc1szbpdho1_1280.jpg
jurov: lenin, the first eulorian
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 14:10:12; mircea_popescu: "considering how sparkling he was in english, reading the flat clumps of russian slag he puts out was quite the disappointment"
decimation: my understanding is that their 'special sauce' is that they are able to print very detailed instructions for slave to follow
decimation: the margins are razor-thin even if you have adult gear
decimation: they are 'iterating' toward a solution, you see
decimation: most other circuit printers use silver 'nanoparticles'
decimation: ascii_field: http://www.cartesianco.com/ < they use 1980's era inkjet cartridges to 'print circuits'
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BingoBoingo: Oh printer ink market is dying http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-04/epson-is-about-to-solve-the-most-annoying-problem-with-inkjet-printers
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 05:09:06; mircea_popescu: in other news, review of various wallets etc shows that most of my bitcoin are over 500 days old. holy shit i need larger blocks imminently!
ascii_field: notice the tidbit mircea_popescu spilled earlier: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-08-2015#1223911
ascii_field: and, dollars to doughnuts, that reason is 'that place must be about bitcoin, i don't have any and how the everliving fuck would i ever get any, what am i to do there'
ascii_field: danielpbarron: he was a relatively early 'computer sucks and must be rebuilt' person. sadly, i've no idea what he is up to these days.
decimation: because apparently the c++ committee couldn't imagine a use case where you would like to allocate memory but would rather write to it yourself
decimation: there's no mechanism for "malloc" instead - only "calloc"
ascii_field: but not the quoted text!
ascii_field: and l0l, they censored some of my posts
ascii_field: https://groups.google.com/d/msg/urbit-dev/qgxfZ-I-nJ4/q6mKVUA7b1oJ << obligatory, the mega-flamefest that followed
ascii_field: which (i learned many years later) was quite like what i want to do, except that they did not (to my knowledge) understand hardware and - it involved a few dozen people (!) who agreed on virtually nothing
jurov: i prefer to wonder when they learn to live in symbiosis with spiders
punkman: wondering if they are building something like this in my walls http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vnFStMEUOl0/Tsp-BV8ew6I/AAAAAAAABG0/-M34xXmw1Y8/s1600/Nest+Archeo.jpg
punkman: how the fuck do ants cut through concrete?
punkman: http://www.zdnet.com/article/bitdefender-suffers-data-breach-customer-records-stolen/ are these daily now
assbot: Logged on 02-08-2015 16:29:55; mircea_popescu: they have in common being either dumb per se or else i nthe crosshairs of the manacling-with-dumb cannon.
jurov: yes, it's 11220 together
jurov: mircea_popescu: one qntra share is missing, it makes together 10601, i got 10600
mircea_popescu: i wonder if this is related to the "feelings driven" pseudo cultural economy.
decimation: "More: Understand that our teetering, broken, stringy technology stack was written by Boomers, mostly, and other people who didn't know any better. Charitably, the technology wasn't mature, though the luminaries and prophets of the era would vigorously disagree. We're inheriting it, along with the pride of a lifetime's work; rather than take it behind the barn and shoot it, let's gently put it out to pasture and ...
mircea_popescu: or fails in one of the well known modes.
mircea_popescu: my usual approach to reading text of unknown origin is not so different from the pagerank algorithm, whereas the meaning of discourse nodes (words, generally) is narrowed by the other nodes in the graph until the whole thing collapses into something.
ascii_field: it was shannonizer all the way
ascii_field: the bozo comment ? nope
mircea_popescu: the dod is changing.
decimation: the spirit of the thing seems right: let's bail on the internet as it is a god foresaken hellhole
mircea_popescu: but SOME are. and if those are the ones you want...
mircea_popescu: tbh, it has all the makings of a great DoD "investment"
ascii_field: i get daily crapolade in the mailbox still
mircea_popescu: so i take it the leaky submarine's still being worked on ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he's part of the annointed caste now. if the dough runs out, can dilute the shares, etc
decimation: well, given that his project has a gigantic red target painted on the side for all amateur-political enforcers
mircea_popescu: o ? well then!
ascii_field: the alternative package probably involved feeding his wife and children to pirannhas
mircea_popescu: gotta keep up the prices.
decimation: ascii_field: and if b happened it almost certainly was at the foot of peter thiel or one of his cronies
ascii_field: it is my working hypothesis, at any rate
ascii_field: two basic but imho entirely separate problems with mr mold - a) he wasn't entirely mentally clean of usg to begin with ( most of mircea_popescu's observations fall into (a)) b) he was approached, as early as 2010, and told 'your crackpot os will be funded and you can sleep ad libitum, but there is a price'
ascii_field: they keep blogs in public toilets, yes
mircea_popescu: dear peoiple : seriously, stop with the google blogs. you're indistinct.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:57:45; mircea_popescu: herbijudlestoids if you care, http://fofoa.blogspot.ro/2010/07/debtors-and-savers.html is formally incorrect on the listing of romania
decimation: 'no more past either'?
mircea_popescu: holy shit i confused one blogspot for another!
ascii_field: 'helped' in the basic sense of 'no more mold buggered'
mircea_popescu goes to dig the link up
mircea_popescu: which i color to mean the above.
mircea_popescu: when we discussed the "inflation in romania" factual error in one of his articles.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field if you recall, i challenged orlov and he came out with "I am a robot doing the above".
ascii_field: (not that they are honest people, necessarily - but not shannonizers)
ascii_field: o & y don't really belong in the picture
mircea_popescu: imo the entire menagerie, orlov, yarvin, whoi have you are simply doing this by hand
mircea_popescu: lower lever there, but yeah.
ascii_field: iirc already proposed in the mircea_popescu article re: reddit spam
mircea_popescu: let the tractor plow.
mircea_popescu: which is why i propose to do the job with a computer. it's plowing, there's no reason to pay for it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the one twist is, as far as i can tell, most of these 'plowing flies' disinfo agents are... unpaid
mircea_popescu: probably can live off the subscriptions.
mircea_popescu: but derived from it, a decent pseudo-AI project would be to make a long list of propositions, sort them in a thousand or so lists (ie blogs) and "publish" "articles".
ascii_field: see also the maths profs shredding unsolicited fermat 'proofs' unread
mircea_popescu: because yes, if science were "open to all comers" in this sense, it'd just get ddos'd into the shit by S's.
mircea_popescu: at the very margin, this discussion reduces to the discussion of al schwartz' lack of access to measuring processes, if you recall it.
mircea_popescu: anyway. this argument is both too complex to be readily "intuited" by the children and also its results are deeply inconvenient to their wants and expectations (mostly of playing the spy and generalsly speaking "mattering" in their own head), and so i don't expect the S process to go away. it's prolly going to be productive enough to become a mode of "culture" on the interwebs.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field like the whole swathe of "bitcoin experts", and also like "cryptography experts" of the ilk of some nobody in particular running "socklpuppet.org"
mircea_popescu: specifically because if one of these is not open to challenge, he is ipso definition an S. and anons are ipso definitio not open to challenges
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'phuctor debunked' german
mircea_popescu: the entire list S exists so that "credible" S's can appear so that selected Ls can be fucked over.
mircea_popescu: in particular no trust or crediblity may attach to that record, for the simple reason that THAT IS HIS FUCKING JOB.
mircea_popescu: in this model, the fact that Sy displays any score on the basis of his past emitted Q is no proof of anything.
mircea_popescu: 3. create a set S of twobitidiots Sk, who put forth statements Q about various P, so that the actual T(Q(Px)) is normally distributed over the list S.
mircea_popescu: 2. take a list L of actors Lj , who decide (D) on which P to rely, and are scored by function S(Lx), according to the impact of their reliance on false P (which is uncomputable at all points before running S)
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mircea_popescu: there's going to be none of this "two bit idiot" http://trilema.com/2014/how-to-make-money-on-the-internet-while-pretending-you-know-what-youre-talking-about-and-accumulating-a-legion-of-mindless-followers-for-fun-and-profit/ A/B-and-spam approach to "credibility"
mircea_popescu: anyway. i don;t know who this guy is and don't care what he [thinks he] may have to say on the topic.
ascii_field: the question of 'what prng to use' has never differed from the question of what kind of animal's shit to smear in wounds
mircea_popescu: and ftr, the nist ec crapolade was ALWAYS regarded as suspiciouys at best "by people in the business"
punkman: "If I call NSA “Clyde Frog” long enough, eventually other people will too. Someone has to start the meme! "
ascii_field: 'The U.S. Government has these special requirements that you wouldn’t understand. Since they’re a government, they needn’t explain themselves, and we’re not going to explain either.'
mircea_popescu: technically, intellectual or otherwise
ascii_field: all the turdation nodez may as well be one.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile it turns out they lied,
mircea_popescu: they weren;t supposed to run one node
ascii_field: the whole notion of ten thousand people hanging off the teat of ~one~ node is braindamaged
ascii_field: fwiw these don't even execute on my iron
ascii_field: possibly mircea_popescu was retching at the use of intel 'aes accelerator' instruction
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 17:04:24; decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
decimation: yeah but you were complaining that openssl was inseperable because of the assembly optimization
decimation: remember how they have that 'we can load object code' functionality?
ascii_field: or you mean the original? well no shit, c
mircea_popescu: lol actually you should see hanbot these days, running containers and whatnot. you lot have ruined her.
asciilifeform: to which i answer 'go to the harem and come back with why tx is not deallocated when mapTransactions is emptied'
asciilifeform: modern 'west' works the way it works by narrowing the victim's horizon in such a way that from the day he is born, sees entire world only through own arsehole
asciilifeform: like the sicilian doctors circa 1200 from mircea_popescu's article
asciilifeform: they are also write-offs.
asciilifeform: ditto folks who grew up with 'climatocalypse' and 'string theory' as 'physics'
asciilifeform: nobody has yet invented the machine for turning mental 'bonsai kitten' into a full-grown animal.
chetty: hahahaha the old dont trust anyone over 30 has morphed into don't talk to anyone under 50
mircea_popescu: i made this point, vaguely, when we were discussing our own survival, in the form of "lordship lists" etc. but it stands - if you have a systematic closure you're in a bubble.
asciilifeform: they wot
mircea_popescu: so let them wot.
asciilifeform: and this is felt, in the gut, by just about everyone
asciilifeform: because talking with the 'fresh grads' (much less the public at large) is increasingly a pearls/swine proposition
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they aren't - as far as i can tell - talking
mircea_popescu: but it also illustrates just how strained the melted cheese is
mircea_popescu: and if you wish you can say the same re programmers, and i'll buy it
mircea_popescu: some, the brighter ones, are sort-of trying, twitter, what have you. maybe it works, who knows.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, everyone else in fucking finance pretty much is
asciilifeform: or run therealbitcoin, etc
asciilifeform: the 'real programmerz' are not in such a bubble, in that you are interacting with them every time you flip the light switch or turn on the tap, or get into a '747'
mircea_popescu: there still is this civilisation ? where ?
chetty: funny, I recall life before I lived on the computer, and it wasn't that long ago.
asciilifeform: can't speak for others, but ~i~ still visit it.
chetty: I wonder if being on the internet so much only makes you guys now see the 'west' as reddit and there just might be actual civilization out there if you get off the computers.
asciilifeform: (among others)
asciilifeform: for me it was... the house in 'tom & jerry' !
mircea_popescu: i was 10 at the time, but still.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes
mircea_popescu: it is a culture with a fucktarded, buggy, slow implementation of these
mircea_popescu: you know what ? there's a usable kb or two on github too
asciilifeform: and prior to 'worth of individual' and other crocks of shit which have spilled since- everywhere
mircea_popescu: not unless you imagine the stale sandwich 3 months in your fridge is a "backup copy" of a sandwich
mircea_popescu: let them die.
asciilifeform: see the point of those ?
asciilifeform: they will eat own shoes, yes. but not mcd
asciilifeform: the world's only nation without mcdonalds
asciilifeform: recall the old thread about north kr?
mircea_popescu: tumblr pheminism is a great strengthener. for a live one.
mircea_popescu: some shields are simply not worth having. period. for any cost. they mostly cost "0" anyway.
asciilifeform: some shields may cost more than they are worth. but i argue that not-having-britney-spears-in-your-language is worth ~something~ culturally
mircea_popescu: once he appears, it's the end.
mircea_popescu: i suppose phillipe equalite is the patron saint of dead languages.
mircea_popescu: i suppose the greatest mysetery of life is that there are shields you want and shields you do not want.
mircea_popescu: corporate job is idem "a shield" for usian fucktards, like working "for the govtr" was a shield that still got germans hung and soviets spat on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to be clear, i won't recommend esperanto as a literary language. but will point out that it plays somewhat of the same role morse plays for 'hams', or sign language for the literate deaf. i.e. a ~shield against mainstream cultural poison~
mircea_popescu: this is why poetry worked back in the day the english aristrocracy imposed it on the masses, but esperanto and ebonics do not nor will ever work.
mircea_popescu: eople who stick together for "reasonable" reasons.)
mircea_popescu: (anyway, lest the esl reader acquires the wrong impression from the logs - at issue is not that the thing was done, per se. at issue is HOW the thing is done. which is to say : shockingly unexpected, which requires a) a large body of work against which to expect pre-existend and b) a language strong enough to shock against that. these are plain impossible requisites in "reasonable" languages, and they can't be met by p
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone can learn to pronounce - with flavour! - these poemz
mircea_popescu: but myeah. i am not the cunt's slightest fuck worried about assrussian.
mircea_popescu: can stand up with fucking poe, and english doesn't just sprout forth poe when scraping its knees on the asphalt in a rollerblading accident