ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it?
ben_vulpes: trinque: TIAS
ben_vulpes: the notion that the bitcoin protocol needs testing is pure FUD, from the enemies of hard crypto.
ben_vulpes: there is no "testing" of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: scuse me, monero is a "hobby".
ben_vulpes: the experiment succeded.
ben_vulpes: the blocks chain.
ben_vulpes: the sigs hash.
ben_vulpes: no, it's possible.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: ya well bitcoin monetized, and monero hasn't yet and likely won't so that's the kind of comment that paints you as entirely ignorant of the domain.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: you're aware that monero's an experiment, right?
ben_vulpes: today, 3 mining consortiums might find a block within just a few minute of each other
ben_vulpes: propagation of blocks over the network was at that time...weird.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time, blocks were of unbounded size
ben_vulpes: the 1MB limit is actually in place because of block propagation chaos.
ben_vulpes: yes, i said that.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
ben_vulpes: and it ain't changing.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: what roadmap
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed << that's familiar
ben_vulpes: anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
ben_vulpes: at this point, i'm seriously entertaining the notion that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences that sort-of make sense in english
ben_vulpes: trinque: tell me about it.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we to count them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday?
ben_vulpes: <trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is tough.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: proles will be lucky to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade.
ben_vulpes: too bad he insists on waltzing in here and telling us about how the proletariat must transact in bitcoin several times per year.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: right?
ben_vulpes: if you touch bitcoin, you are going up against the fiat state. end of story.
ben_vulpes: it is not even swift.
ben_vulpes: it is not mastercard.
ben_vulpes: it is not visa, ffs.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a store of value and a way to move money around without governmental interference.
ben_vulpes: no no no no no
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in the sense of actually controlling their keys, robustly) should trivially be able to wield either credit cards or local fiat
ben_vulpes: bwahaha
ben_vulpes: trinque: i pour!
ben_vulpes: a table lol do mine eyes deceive me
ben_vulpes: forum posts carry no weight here.
ben_vulpes: i know no death and taxes
ben_vulpes: dpaste it
ben_vulpes: you've made no argument as to this 1e6 number.
ben_vulpes: even though all i can ever aspire to own in terms of vehicle is that crown jewel in the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women.
ben_vulpes: the 1mb line is about preserving that scarcity in the face of all who'd turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable thing unlike everything else under the domain of the fiat tyrants.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and then start derping about "power trips"
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh
ben_vulpes: Vexual: tunes, let's go
ben_vulpes: why'd i think that a thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action?
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles.
ben_vulpes: you're not registering shit
ben_vulpes: dude
ben_vulpes: ah ha
ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla:
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot muxne
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot muxne
ben_vulpes: don't make me finish this bottle aone, trinque
ben_vulpes: back to the deeds, you
ben_vulpes: no more than merely existing gives you a say in how the world works.
ben_vulpes: ./bitcoind -datadir=my_butt/ -daemon
ben_vulpes: no, not at all.
ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
ben_vulpes: no need to summarize your *one* rating for me.
ben_vulpes: yeah no clearly i can read that much
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: who are you anyways?
ben_vulpes: are you fucking kidding me?
ben_vulpes: from namworld?
ben_vulpes: !gettrust phillipsjk
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse
ben_vulpes: http://bernardlunn.com/2015/02/03/change-the-bank-by-importing-startup-culture/ << makes muh brain hurt
ben_vulpes: a glass of tinto left?
ben_vulpes: i've got...
ben_vulpes: go go go
ben_vulpes: get it done!
ben_vulpes: smokes, let's go!
ben_vulpes elbows trinque
ben_vulpes: although i have no fags left
ben_vulpes: mine is not!
ben_vulpes: my girl, somnulent.
ben_vulpes: my toy bitcoinds, wedged.
ben_vulpes: and lo, i am logged.
ben_vulpes: conclusion of story left for reader
ben_vulpes: now i can't quite beat the thing senseless with my helmet as, well, ussa
ben_vulpes: and then proceeeds to march over to intimidate me
ben_vulpes: i shit you not it makes eye contact
ben_vulpes: goose *catches my eye*!
ben_vulpes: doing nothing of import, minding my own business
ben_vulpes: idling by my bicycle
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] trinque actually they'll fight you, too. more than one woman got scared shitless of flocks of geese << this one time i was eating a burrito on the waterfront
ben_vulpes: <Vexual> [] 'hoes and money and violence an polotx << legendary
ben_vulpes: every night my tiny brain
ben_vulpes: every night these koans
ben_vulpes: oh asciilifeform that's a great story
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TzGV6YNmEM << what is this shit Vexual
ben_vulpes: punkman: using addnode= to add a node from which to pull the blocks
ben_vulpes: the pay, not so much
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] a) what chicks and b) what pay. << i can speak to the chicks
ben_vulpes: oh, d'ja hack the whoopies BingoBoingo?
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: what does bootstrap.dat have to do with anything?
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: with a known-good blocksource?
ben_vulpes: would you be a dear and sync an unmolested 0.5.3?
ben_vulpes: thanks for the repro, punkman
ben_vulpes: maaaaaas, Vexual
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> chick's so drastically ugly tho... << pretty indicative of the tail to which us brass has access
ben_vulpes: pfff
ben_vulpes: tips on running for precisely a single block?
ben_vulpes: instead, instruct me on the arcane art of dumping specific blocks from a bitcoind 0.5.3
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your lessons come too late, sir!
ben_vulpes: while it must surprise everyone here, the fact that i am a process man who's only barely grasped the basics of *nix operation bears trotting out on a *regular* basis apparently
ben_vulpes: mno, i am a nixy pleb
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'll have to compile it meself, apparently.
ben_vulpes: Vexual: stale.
ben_vulpes: total failure.
ben_vulpes: net result?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did burn in excess of two days attempting to get either a firefox or chrome to connect to x under os x
ben_vulpes: why would one bother with the native cruftery?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: only within x11
ben_vulpes: mas tracks sil vous plait Vexual
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: "as expected"
ben_vulpes: well
ben_vulpes: why so amuse?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: :D
ben_vulpes: i'm using sbcl for stump, now that we mention it
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: sbcl runs entirely without problem on mac os << so as to say "why bother with gentoo?"?
ben_vulpes: ah.
ben_vulpes: myeah, but i think i missed a leap in your reasoning.
ben_vulpes: is the point to run sbcl on "strange iron"?
ben_vulpes: what do you mean by "strange iron", though?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: okay okay!
ben_vulpes: i'm entirely naive to quirks of the underlying chips.
ben_vulpes: forgive me, but is it all not strange?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why not sbcl on gentoo?
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: for a gentoo like what you describe, i'd go through the headaches of dual booting.
ben_vulpes: but that which gabriel_laddel described was a damned siren song for a boy who grew up on os x.
ben_vulpes: i know, i know.
ben_vulpes resists temptation to troll alf
ben_vulpes: gabriel_laddel: i yet yearn for the day i dual boot os x and a lispy gentoo
ben_vulpes: good evening gabriel_laddel!
ben_vulpes: up yours, buddhi
ben_vulpes: first citizen of -assets
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Vexual
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot Vexual
ben_vulpes: groovy jams Vexual
ben_vulpes: (sil vous plait)
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: .bait
ben_vulpes: Mend-A-Cunt™
ben_vulpes: what's the american ob-gyn chain of the future?
ben_vulpes: >.<
ben_vulpes closes the tab
ben_vulpes: Disclosure: Although the event was closed to the media, I was invited by the founders of Nexus, Jonah Wittkamper and Rachel Cohen Gerrol, to report on the conference as a member of the family that started the Johnson & Johnson pharmaceutical company. << woo hoo hoo
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: gyns << no who?
ben_vulpes: CANNOT ABIDE
ben_vulpes: constantly adding in dos line endings
ben_vulpes: pastebin is verboten
ben_vulpes: granted, the first parts downright stupid
ben_vulpes: how so not?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: natural questions for their business models, neh?
ben_vulpes: ty
ben_vulpes: wd kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: neatly awkable
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> today, sent responses to ~300 of them, that were inquiring to know a) where is the center of buenos aires and b) whether argentines are poor. << why were they asking if argentines are poor?
ben_vulpes: anywhere.
ben_vulpes: <trinque> pretty easy to bitch about how everyone's terrible in the US too if one allows himself << stupidity and malice are the *defaults*, guys. people who aren't either stupid or malicious are *not* to be expected.
ben_vulpes: when your c devs start implementing common lisp out of ignorance, it's probably time to just use common lisp.
ben_vulpes: i guess this is the curse of a shop with > 8 monitors
ben_vulpes: i just want to use it, i don't want to rewrite it
ben_vulpes: stumpwm
ben_vulpes: x and my wm collectively shit themselves when i switch to a monitor theyve never seen before.
ben_vulpes: why aren't you people using postgres
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: try this .gnupg/gpg.conf http://dpaste.com/0BR41JG.txt
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: 4096 or bust baby
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: don't play with expired keys
ben_vulpes: footnotes are so...web 3.0
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: if you're just going to annotage logs at least have the commentary arrayed neatly around the source material like the rest of the talmudic publications
ben_vulpes: commodity saas vendor, we just write and derploy der coden
ben_vulpes: mnah
ben_vulpes: dev shops should carry more responsibility for produced work anyways.
ben_vulpes: actually its fine
ben_vulpes: fuck that i ain't holding no bags
ben_vulpes: it's on some paas-y thing
ben_vulpes: girls just show up in my life - stockbrokers, not so much.
ben_vulpes barely qualifies for the explicitly front-run brokers
ben_vulpes is a pauper, wouldn't know
ben_vulpes: how does one pick a stock broker?
ben_vulpes: insurance! scam!
ben_vulpes: more bezzletronic scams.
ben_vulpes: FUCK IF I KNOW
ben_vulpes: our municipal client now requires that we carry "cyber liability insurance"
ben_vulpes: funny news
ben_vulpes: buenos
ben_vulpes: sleep well
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: there's a bit of difference between connecting a node to the net and putting the IP into -assets.
ben_vulpes: the foundation's resources are meager. big servers that can build in parallel and download many chains in parallel are probably not a feasible acquisition at this time.
ben_vulpes: now i understand how sensitive everyone is to the exposure of weapons-grade nodes to the internet at large, but i for one would greatly appreciate a few nodes of known vintage that would barf blocks to me at will for the testing of various bitcoinds.
ben_vulpes: sounds like it needs a bit of manual ass-kicking.
ben_vulpes: unsurprising, but disappointing.
ben_vulpes: peer discovery is totally fucked.
ben_vulpes: all of this over a few IPs
ben_vulpes: i come in unprepared for this conversation
ben_vulpes: salud
ben_vulpes: evening.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: poverty looks good on me.
ben_vulpes wonders if this ddosser can be coerced into attacking arbitrary people in arbitrary channels
ben_vulpes: if enforcement's impossible...don't enforce.
ben_vulpes: one of those zero, one, infinity things.
ben_vulpes: we don't issue such.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> does he have like a gpg signed thing from ben_vulpes or something ? << pardon?
ben_vulpes: to the logs witcha, the_scourge
ben_vulpes: <the_scourge> which by the way, if we ever turn THAT kind of proof (fuck, even literate code commits) into PoW, then it's anybody's game (again) but ... too theoretical << bwahahahat?
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: they have an office nearby at which i drink occasionally
ben_vulpes: i infrequently find myself drinking in his proximity. mostly f(how often i'm at new relic)
ben_vulpes: collaborating with randos is for the birds.
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: i don't fuck with any of that stuff.
ben_vulpes: seen it all, still works in the trenches
ben_vulpes: ward cunningham's a cool dude
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: not only fedwiki, but it's also got all sorts of css and javascript
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: news?
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: if you do it right, you'll find yourself searching through the dead logs for further context.
ben_vulpes: those help too.
ben_vulpes: <the_scourge> mircea_popescu: yah cool, i did read through some logs << some lol. the point is that you've gotta pick up the variety speak, and that comes from reading logs in near-real-time for six months, not "some" or "a few" or "the ones i found interesting and/or easy"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] 'vulture capital' << i'm surprised you're not making the easy poo joke here too
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mircea_popescu: will respond on seeds and licenses later
ben_vulpes: toothcoin!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] why are we calling him alf again ? << Ascii Life Form?
ben_vulpes: alive*
ben_vulpes: <chetty> [] email that actually sends what you want and nothing else would be a worthy project :) << gnus, part of emacs, has worked for probably longer than i've been alove
ben_vulpes: <punkman> [] there's this robocaller that waits for me to pick up the phone and say something, pauses for a short time, then says "Goodbye" and hangs up. << calling to find people who pick up
ben_vulpes: humbug.
ben_vulpes: !b 2
ben_vulpes: over a thousand log lines
ben_vulpes: ah jesus
ben_vulpes: i gotta meeting in like...2m
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: twould also be interesting to see the same test against the modern codebase
ben_vulpes: deserves a post
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> assbot: Exploiting the Robocaller Gap - Global Guerrillas << speaking of this ben_vulpes, how about a site where people can get bitcoin for reading messages on the screen, then autodial them into say 5k different emergency zones across the us. << sounds great
ben_vulpes: source?
ben_vulpes: what's a dollar?
ben_vulpes: we're securing bitcoin transactions
ben_vulpes: naw bru
ben_vulpes: http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2015/02/bots-and-the-super-empowered-individual.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+typepad%2FrzYD+%28Global+Guerrillas%29
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: but what about when it *can't* be bought?
ben_vulpes: can't burn beer
ben_vulpes: something i can drink.
ben_vulpes: something i can douse gunshot wounds in.
ben_vulpes: etoh, baby. something i put in a furnace and get real fuckin hot.