benjamindees: I was referring to Hitler.
benjamindees: since I'm not the CIA... no
benjamindees: <benjamindees> meth is a hell of a drug
ben_vulpes: yeah. i get it
ben_vulpes: once you need it so does the rest of town.
ben_vulpes: how does renting a backup generator by the day make sense?
ben_vulpes: more relevantly "can be acquired"
ben_vulpes: but you mention a 3mw gennie, so that's relevant
ben_vulpes: wasn't reaaaally the topic iirc
ben_vulpes: first gotta resolve the "embedded" vs "external" question
ben_vulpes: cart before the horse until the db's replaced
ben_vulpes: i'm just saying that i admire your persistence.
ben_vulpes: oh i get it!
ben_vulpes: <adlai> [] this is actually why i suggested that for an mpif pc, it'd make the most sense to run the bot on s.mpoe itself << i admire the guys persistence
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: but now says he can't even get a pogo shipped in.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu originally contested the difficulty of importing heavy things, saying it was a problem of the poorly networked
ben_vulpes: is the typical american to expect those to be hard to come by in the "civilized world"?
ben_vulpes: what do you mean by "civilized world"?
ben_vulpes: not at a term i don't understand.
ben_vulpes: i'll not laugh, no.
ben_vulpes: mwell
ben_vulpes: for that matter, where is it?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what is it about that place that provides for space and security at such a low cost?
ben_vulpes: "drive by shooting gallery"!!
ben_vulpes: a pauper like myself, though?
ben_vulpes: for a man with income, surely.
ben_vulpes: the risk of losing my hands was not worth the pay.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: career change.
ben_vulpes: which makes sense, coming from an inhabitant of the Forbidden City
ben_vulpes: i grow to suspect that you see all of the ussa as a homogenous enforcement environment.
ben_vulpes: lease was month-to-month
ben_vulpes: and the guy who ran the place had his own out-of-sight apartment that was rarely shown to other tenants
ben_vulpes: granted, we had to run it from the mains entry point *ourselves*
ben_vulpes: decent shaper requires 3-phase.
ben_vulpes: and yes, there was 3-phase.
ben_vulpes: people lived there yeah
ben_vulpes: subspace in busy warehouse, not much by way of rent or opportunities for theft.
ben_vulpes: and more in fancy woods
ben_vulpes: with tens of thousands of dollars in hardware
ben_vulpes: i've worked in minimally secured shops
ben_vulpes: actually asciilifeform i contest this stance
ben_vulpes: what is different there? why no orcs or plunderers?
ben_vulpes: out in the woods, the sop (as i understand it, not having pulled this particular hat trick myself) is to fire a warning shot, shoot the invader, and then call the sherrif.
ben_vulpes: most recently, we've seen what happens to people who shoot each other in the suburbs
ben_vulpes: fwiw there aren't many orcs in the rural bits of ussa, and one can shoot trespassers on sign in those provinces too
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: i did notice the door was unlocked.
ben_vulpes: but uh normally the fab does not produce hipsters, no.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: D1X can do strange things to a man.
ben_vulpes: these old fab hands and their msboxen
ben_vulpes: hah and of course a windows machine
ben_vulpes: "common household tools"
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] http://www.universalsubtitles.org/en/videos/rcQaef4yYJyn/info/moia-masterskaia << charming
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-02-2015#1011593, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-02-2015#1011595 << /me raises his hand
ben_vulpes: who?
ben_vulpes: something indescribeably stupid, no doubt
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] like, the node, which is an always on demon, and then various things connecting to it : such as other nodes, on the eth card, or the user, always on the specifically delegated interface, etc ? << working towards this is the root my plaintive cries about what it means to "bitcoinate"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] how do you plan to use it w/o a wallet ? << gotta move all the transaction generation logic out of the turd. implies a database replacement using something that can actually be queried, not a braindamaged k/v store.
ben_vulpes: blech.
ben_vulpes: spittoon, though
ben_vulpes: right! it's totally innocuous.
ben_vulpes: there are all of these things that make sense in the context of it, but...
ben_vulpes: i start to understand how badly the c toolchain messes with ones head
ben_vulpes: gotcha
ben_vulpes: mod6, asciilifeform: forgive my naivte, but what's the recommended approach to efficiently toggling between versions of libs for compiling cturds? in particular, ssl for bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: filling tank
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: shorting shartups
ben_vulpes: join "anonymous", go on watch list
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't buy the malicious usg. thing is purely reactive, and only within the logic of itself.
ben_vulpes: i've a feeling argentina'd welcome me with open arms.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] actually i'm kinda half curious how many us based conf attendants discover at the border that the newly expanded tsa doth not agree their passport holds any value. << me too.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] interesting idiots are sometimes (temporarily) tolerated. tedious idiots - never. << /me waves
ben_vulpes curls tighter into a hangover ball
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
ben_vulpes: ;later tell sergiohlb your cloak is getting applied *after* you join
ben_vulpes: a real joy to work with
ben_vulpes: "datomic"
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform not a fan of 'pattern matching' languages << i worked with a database with queries in datalog recently.
ben_vulpes: great intangibles
ben_vulpes: i'm reading logs from days past, not hacking
ben_vulpes: no sir
ben_vulpes: <chetty> [] and you had to rent the state company ones// coming soon to us, internet public utility will make it so << pretty much here already in the states
ben_vulpes: ssn secret is best secret
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: that gets me two up on you
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edAxujKev1I << reminds me of the time i've spent deep in the bowels of D1X and friends
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: do you have a wedged portatron?
ben_vulpes: none of the portatronic builds are wedging like this, right?
ben_vulpes: not cockchain!
ben_vulpes: i think mp's implication is that 168001 is diddled
ben_vulpes: what was the story with a certain version of ssl breaking some kinds of btc signatures?
ben_vulpes: whaddayamean, "checks out"
ben_vulpes: nah, comes from andresens bag of snakes
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the man's talking about btcd, not bitcoind
ben_vulpes: i don't believe anything
ben_vulpes: d and t?
ben_vulpes: hmwat?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "process man" << i guess more accurate than i ever thought
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: water works surprisingly well << oh let us not get ben_vulpes started on the wonders of steam
ben_vulpes: dunn something?
ben_vulpes: fintech whatever whatever?
ben_vulpes: oh yeah that idiot
ben_vulpes: i also kicked around a design for a nifty reciprocal engine where the piston was really just a magnet-bearing shuttle zipping back and forth through coils for insta-ac
ben_vulpes: never got the gas steam bearings to work tho
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] flat enough with one disk << i did my own axle and used HD disks to get better boundary layer performance
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: weren't you killing people and building criminal empires then?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what?!
ben_vulpes: a reheater
ben_vulpes: my own flash boiler
ben_vulpes: a fucking waste oil furnace
ben_vulpes: i built so much errata in pursuit of that thing
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> [] kanzure: tried plain old tesla turbine ? << talk about boyhood dreams
ben_vulpes: impossible's more a function of available time/energy anyways. not an absolute thing.
ben_vulpes: making anything always requires impossible investments of time and energy.
ben_vulpes: assuming he's not a plant, that is
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1007991 << i didn't want to drive the kid away immediately
ben_vulpes: kinda what i was going for
ben_vulpes: yes.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "because the joo's a lazy reader." << pardon?
ben_vulpes: qntra's turning into quite the source these days
ben_vulpes: srs
ben_vulpes: haw
ben_vulpes: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-boy-suspended-bringing-ring-power-school-article-1.2099103
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: you really have to ask?
ben_vulpes: the_scourge: shit doesn't even really count compared to actual impressive public market scamming like VGMC
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: http://tm.shithouse.tv
ben_vulpes: myeah i want this too
ben_vulpes: OKAY CLIENT WHY AREN'T YOU IN OUR CONFERENCE CALL
ben_vulpes: "at long last, my expectations are fulfilled."
ben_vulpes: not only expects, but welcomes the stake.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform's a sucker for punishment
ben_vulpes: i remember some really long stony nights in college going through the works
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you've yet to meet mr mold?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: http://media.giphy.com/media/yhbze3D8QhFe0/giphy.gif
ben_vulpes: ka-zing
ben_vulpes: hey so why did the hipster burn himself on his coffee?
ben_vulpes: anyways, good morning
ben_vulpes: <kakobrekla> [] http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2015#1008005 < did no such thing << my mistake, figured it out
ben_vulpes: mebbe a tidy little dinosaur in the footer
ben_vulpes: no css is best css
ben_vulpes: turns me on
ben_vulpes: dat unstyled text
ben_vulpes: is the flatfile host up yet?
ben_vulpes: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt
ben_vulpes: LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE
ben_vulpes: ALL I HAVE IS DUH
ben_vulpes: that's going to have to work in-channel, trinque
ben_vulpes: deedbot-: add-deed http://dpaste.com/2JTGWWA.txt
ben_vulpes: !s testing in production
ben_vulpes: yeah, what is this add-key?
ben_vulpes: my tooling works.
ben_vulpes: punkman: no, but it makes a point.
ben_vulpes: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c04e17d42f4139a1cf13c592cf1722b9116798c9122e99590d8dedff
ben_vulpes: ;;eauth ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: ;;ident ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: FINE
ben_vulpes: *sigh*
ben_vulpes: mm oh
ben_vulpes: no, you're not even identified.
ben_vulpes: how is this phillipsjk voiced again?
ben_vulpes: :P
ben_vulpes: you'll bring der furer down on me and i'm trying to get to ars in the spring
ben_vulpes: oh gosh don't do that danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: oh well clearly fuck right off then.
ben_vulpes: ;;ident phillipsjk
ben_vulpes: especially when that key simply parrots that which is only said by those who wish to wreck the scarcity and value of core bitcoin economics.
ben_vulpes: the point that i'm making (for the clinically slow) is that the odds of a key from...2013 just showing up and having anything pointful to say, especially when citing bitcointalk as proof or substantiation of anything are...low.
ben_vulpes: back in 99 Vexual was my isp and we only communicated with caesars cipher
ben_vulpes: i singed my butthole with a particularly firey fart the other night
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'd hope so.
ben_vulpes: Welcome to BITCOIN
ben_vulpes: Try It And See
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: where did you get that key, anyways? did you buy it?
ben_vulpes: trinque: TIAS
ben_vulpes: the notion that the bitcoin protocol needs testing is pure FUD, from the enemies of hard crypto.
ben_vulpes: there is no "testing" of bitcoin.
ben_vulpes: scuse me, monero is a "hobby".
ben_vulpes: the experiment succeded.
ben_vulpes: the blocks chain.
ben_vulpes: the sigs hash.
ben_vulpes: no, it's possible.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: ya well bitcoin monetized, and monero hasn't yet and likely won't so that's the kind of comment that paints you as entirely ignorant of the domain.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: you're aware that monero's an experiment, right?
ben_vulpes: today, 3 mining consortiums might find a block within just a few minute of each other
ben_vulpes: propagation of blocks over the network was at that time...weird.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time, blocks were of unbounded size
ben_vulpes: the 1MB limit is actually in place because of block propagation chaos.
ben_vulpes: yes, i said that.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the 1MB limit is not to stop spam.
ben_vulpes: and it ain't changing.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: what roadmap
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 2c2314f353 VerifySignature failed << that's familiar
ben_vulpes: anyways, block limit ain't going anywhere. it diddles important scarcity characteristics, and the system isn't even in steady-state yet.
ben_vulpes: at this point, i'm seriously entertaining the notion that phillipsjk is 3 phillipinos frantically composing sentences that sort-of make sense in english
ben_vulpes: trinque: tell me about it.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the vast majority of people run winblowz and use iOS devices. are we to count them in our set of people who might use bitcoin someday?
ben_vulpes: <trinque> get your forklift << not a bad analogy. preserving private keys is tough.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: proles will be lucky to buy a fraction of a bitcoin once per decade.
ben_vulpes: too bad he insists on waltzing in here and telling us about how the proletariat must transact in bitcoin several times per year.
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: right?
ben_vulpes: if you touch bitcoin, you are going up against the fiat state. end of story.
ben_vulpes: it is not even swift.
ben_vulpes: it is not mastercard.
ben_vulpes: it is not visa, ffs.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a store of value and a way to move money around without governmental interference.
ben_vulpes: no no no no no
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: anyone who could hold bitcoin (in the sense of actually controlling their keys, robustly) should trivially be able to wield either credit cards or local fiat
ben_vulpes: bwahaha
ben_vulpes: trinque: i pour!
ben_vulpes: a table lol do mine eyes deceive me
ben_vulpes: forum posts carry no weight here.
ben_vulpes: i know no death and taxes
ben_vulpes: dpaste it
ben_vulpes: you've made no argument as to this 1e6 number.
ben_vulpes: even though all i can ever aspire to own in terms of vehicle is that crown jewel in the plastic bezzle crown (the honda element), i yet recognize those valuable scarce and uncounterfeitable things like bitcoin and well-husbanded women.
ben_vulpes: the 1mb line is about preserving that scarcity in the face of all who'd turn gold into paper in Schwabe accounts and make your dollar into ninety cents tomorrow.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin is a rare, scarce, unpollutable thing unlike everything else under the domain of the fiat tyrants.
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: well pipe down, read logs, learn something and then start derping about "power trips"
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the san-serif headers are kinda..bleh
ben_vulpes: Vexual: tunes, let's go
ben_vulpes: why'd i think that a thing you've dropped for 2.5 months would ever see any action?
ben_vulpes: the mind boggles.
ben_vulpes: you're not registering shit
ben_vulpes: dude
ben_vulpes: ah ha
ben_vulpes: i know you don't like the guy, but nuking his record?
ben_vulpes: kakobrekla:
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot muxne
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot muxne
ben_vulpes: don't make me finish this bottle aone, trinque
ben_vulpes: back to the deeds, you
ben_vulpes: no more than merely existing gives you a say in how the world works.
ben_vulpes: ./bitcoind -datadir=my_butt/ -daemon
ben_vulpes: no, not at all.
ben_vulpes: absolutely none of this qualifies you to have an opinion about block size.
ben_vulpes: no need to summarize your *one* rating for me.
ben_vulpes: yeah no clearly i can read that much
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: who are you anyways?
ben_vulpes: are you fucking kidding me?
ben_vulpes: from namworld?
ben_vulpes: !gettrust phillipsjk
ben_vulpes: phillipsjk: the last million transactions are probably by volume idiocy spawned by wallets that inhibit address reuse
ben_vulpes: http://bernardlunn.com/2015/02/03/change-the-bank-by-importing-startup-culture/ << makes muh brain hurt
ben_vulpes: a glass of tinto left?
ben_vulpes: i've got...
ben_vulpes: go go go
ben_vulpes: get it done!
ben_vulpes: smokes, let's go!