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funkenstein_: i didn't know robert anton wilson had something to do with the subgenius
ag3nt_zer0: from raw go with the illuminatis chronicles
ag3nt_zer0: i did that damn "visualize a quarter" experiment for a couple weeks and whne i finally found one, it was glued to the pavement
ag3nt_zer0: remember prometheus rising?
ag3nt_zer0: because for me the message was poignant and had a virile, solar, maculine type of force to it... just as much as it had the feminine nurturing aspects...
trinque: so in their ignorance, they stick a minus sign in front of what they believed last and call it a revelation
trinque: somebody takes a strong chemical, realizes that they've mindlessly followed this or that
ag3nt_zer0: thread, they are led back to those "movements"
ag3nt_zer0: well maybe its the music scene and the civil rights and the 60s and that whole ball of wax... that when people wake up on those substances, if they follow the "cultural
ag3nt_zer0: something about the jesus would have been a socialist shit
ag3nt_zer0: it is not uncommon for folks to end up on the left
ag3nt_zer0: well thats what i meant about the political naivity
ag3nt_zer0: these days I am certain he wouldnt
trinque: but otherwise I don't remember a specific mention of his political beliefs, aside from seeing it all as bullshit
ag3nt_zer0: but i often think he might have had a naivety about the political spectrum
ag3nt_zer0: i wonder what he would have to say about the left today...
ag3nt_zer0: funkenstein: tragic loss man... that's the "left" i used to love
ag3nt_zer0: he learned from the best i think
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cazalla: ag3nt_zer0, how much make up to they want to cake onto that thing?
ag3nt_zer0: sorry for the trash haha
shinohai: Of course they picked gay areas.
shinohai: ag3nt_zer0: etherium launch parties. srsly ?
ag3nt_zer0: so i got this meetup notice that there are some etherium frontier launch parties this weekend here in the Gay Area... one is a dress-up rainbows and unicorns party...
trinque: far from being someone who can see the "big issues" with america, he benefited from all the worst of them
ag3nt_zer0: but he did it for the money
ag3nt_zer0: it lifts a bit of the fog of conformity
trinque: I'm not going to deny that the man has made some money, but neither he nor anyone else has any ideas.
trinque: I suffered through part of it; in general though, the outcome should by now be largely irrelevant to you.
mircea_popescu: was it the first and biggest ?
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: oddly enough, this opposite of this argument is used by the left to prop up amnesty and all these things... that that's exactly what they are doing... bringing great contribution... and, someone has to pick my vegetables Im told...
hanbot: re ml: where are sha256sums for, eg, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-February/000040.html (patch)?
mircea_popescu: trinque sorta like the lion sees it. are yo uan illegal immigrant in the savannah ? well... it all depends. how good's your roar ?
mircea_popescu: kinda the internal combustion engine changed all that.
trinque: my point's simply that talking about immigration at the nation-state scale is an absurdly large, unsolvable problem
ag3nt_zer0: well up until the early 70s in america we were mostly taking white immigrants who simply assimilate easier and are more aligned with the extant culture... Teddy Kennedy changed all that
mircea_popescu: so best go there with guards.
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shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 funkenstein_ confirmed that the bug is only on my end, and not in bitcoind
ag3nt_zer0: most people in america have just been infantilized into retardation and dont have the will to see clearly without internalized guilt frameworks sabotaging them at every turn
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 the immigrant isn't starting any multinational corporation with his 500 saved up pula, is the point.
mircea_popescu: the only way you pay someone to gtfo is with machine gun fire.
shinohai: So pay them to gtfo
mircea_popescu: i don't see how they wouldn't, practically. a drink's five bux in a bar, their monthly budget back home. what exactly would they do, not like they have any skills of any value
punkman: "About 60 percent of the arrivals are from Syria. The next largest group, making up about 20 percent, are Afghans. But there are also arrivals from Somalia, Congo, Eritrea and Pakistan, among others."
mircea_popescu: derps prefer not to talk about this, but outside of chinese sponsored enclaves and whatever few others here and there, subsaharan africa is going to be a slightly larger yellowstone park in a decade or two.
trinque: when you're talking about borders on the scale of a continent, talking about "illegal immigration" is yes, stupid
punkman: "In June, 15,254 migrants and refugees arrived on Lesbos, according to the Greek Coast Guard, compared with 921 the same month last year." << island has around 80k people, dunno how it's not overrun yet
funkenstein_: i can understand not giving somebody soup at the soup line, but walking across a border seems ok to me
shinohai: I feel lucky that the $$$ I paid in pays for my pension as is.
mircea_popescu: seems dubious whoever paid the $$$ in question was all too thrilled about it being used to prop up the fortunes of even his own countrymen,
mircea_popescu: there is a fundamental problem in proposing taxes be used for welfare, and then going around and redefining citizenship
funkenstein_: how dare those people breathe air without having proper socialist papers
shinohai: No different here in the good 'ol USA. We have illegals all over the South. It gives the conservatives no end of angst.
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ag3nt_zer0: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231238 << and this is, imnsho, a huge part of why the whole sick scene has arrived at this terminally irresolvable level... because cowards. and why? pussy! haha... stuck in revolving door
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 19:42:03; mircea_popescu: most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view.
ben_vulpes: then saying "hurr durr dun werk"
ben_vulpes: 90% of what i do around here is compiling other people's software
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mod6: trinque: would you be opposed to resubmitting your patch for the rotor to the ML as a attachment with a detached sig? I have a list of concise steps that is basically a simple script to do all of the steps to build rotor/static-deterministic-stator just need to get that piece into place. that's the only manual step at this point.
mircea_popescu: most people are in fact cows and would greatly benefit from making the step up to slavery, but afaik i'm pretty much the only one with that view.
chetty: <mircea_popescu> which is ?// consider the general attitude of women mostly only fit to be cows or slaves ...
chetty: well lets make it easy then, most of the 'men' in this channel would seem to qualify under common understanding of the word.
mircea_popescu: still, the word has to have a shared meaning
chetty: well what is and isnt a 'perv' is a pretty personal definition. Some might go with the pregnant call but not many, imo.
mircea_popescu: i suppose anyone not aiming to get them pregnant's perverse by the general definition. this also includes the girls in question.
phf: i was also trying to build gcc&co with the same script, which is where i drew the line. but if it's not self contained and i have to rely on homebrew anyway, might as well make it all modern and dwim
phf: i did three builds so far, one was manual toothpicks and gum, the other one was generated using a shell script, but that was just unmanageable, so i'll figured i'll try homebrew scripts, which is the most promising so far
ben_vulpes: i'll get there i'm sure
phf: i think i found another issue, that's present on my system too. seems like cs requires openal, but i don't have it in dependencies (nor do i have it installed). not sure if it just went past the issue on my install or what
phf: yeah cs's configure takes --without-* param, so i'll harden the script too
trinque: mod6 | The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :] << for sure; my current efforts are directed at the problem of n00bs showing up, asking for a gentleman's computer, and getting five hundred contradictory answers on how to set it up
ben_vulpes: there he is
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chetty: usa girls are taught that all men are nasty pervs and must be avoided// on consideration not so sure they are wrong either
ben_vulpes: or is this just the girlfaces
asciilifeform: not in the phenomenon discussed earlier
ben_vulpes: you don't see much of a difference between nyc and the md burbs?
phf: ben_vulpes: besides you're an american, let the expats bitch and moan :)
ben_vulpes: i think this whole routine of ascii's boils down to "the east coast sucks and more so in direct proportion to DC proximity"
assbot: Logged on 22-04-2015 02:23:24; ascii_lander: in usa perhaps 1 in 10 20-30y.o. females has the face of a human being, rather than a malignant motorized plastic doll
asciilifeform was brain-melted when visiting the distant lands where gurlz look like people, in apr. '14 and '15
phf: ben_vulpes: also beach in san diego was a lot more pleasant overall then the one in ocean city md, so it must be east coast thing
mircea_popescu: maybe the east coast sucks this bad
ben_vulpes: phf: running and logging the CS install
mircea_popescu: nubbins` these actually exist ?
nubbins`: since they encountered enough nasty pervs to realize?
nubbins`: i actually went back to browse the BME community website thing
mircea_popescu: phf it's funny to me, as a purely unconvinced observer of "culture" as a feeding epiphenomena, to notice just how fundamentally workable the whole species is. does it want a war ? it'll fucking fix the demographics and get it, and you can write any book you want - it'll help!
nubbins`: <+mircea_popescu> nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know. <<< wat
phf: i thought maybe it's from too much internet, but no, there was a group of girls that acted like normal human beings, coy and playful and active. turned out they were slovenian
mircea_popescu: so you say "hey, something bothering you" ?
phf: well, you're not experiencing it directly, and it seems palpable here, in the real world. like i went to a beach a few weeks ago in americatown (ocean city, md) and the vibes are just nasty. sluggish girls with stooped shoulders avoiding any sort of eye contact or making nasty faces at you if you linger on them too long
mircea_popescu: like the nut tree's toxic.
mircea_popescu: so, i see three things. 1) the actual rape culture as seen in "women are cattle" vory outlook on life and derivatives ; 2) the so-called "rape culture" wherein male dominance is generally recognised as natural within some bounds ; 3) the libertard nonsense, a recent reimplementation of the ancient socialist "great leaps forward".
phf: i hope so, because the whole thing is toxic and oppressive
assbot: Logged on 28-05-2015 03:27:41; asciilifeform: generally these folks have better sense than to come here.
phf: mircea_popescu: you mean sane culture has a decade left to it? i've noticed the whole rapeworld thing happening to russian girls
mircea_popescu: the us way is after all easier.
mircea_popescu: so the world as reflected in their eyes doesn't actually suck the way it does for usian born and bred.
mircea_popescu: phf gotta appreciate they grew up in a sane culture. you know, malecentric rapeworld of doom-evil thing.
phf: most romanian girls i've met on the east coast were doing work exchange at beach towns. they are very friendly and talkative because americans seemed to be scared of approaching them
n6: and the govorment
mircea_popescu: who paid the bills ?
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1231075 <<< That's the answer! Give up when it gets hard!
mircea_popescu: very simple math in my head, "is this one doing a better job at X than the last/best one we saw to date". obviously in empty lines this is trivial. also perhaps not for everyone.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the first one's always instructive.
asciilifeform: n6: what did you do with the time you won ?
n6: seems to have caught up with me in the end.
n6: woudln't know never went to school asciilifeform dropped out in the 7th grade.
asciilifeform has nothing against n00bz, but has the distinct feeling of watching primary school pupils banging on the door of a university maths dept for help with arithmetic homework.
n6: it's missing on my gentoo install and need to install some wifi ethernet is broken.
n6: I need to compile it here and move it to there
mircea_popescu: the usb lister thing ?
n6: Got so much help from everyone in here, that was the only way I could even get the install working. even after reading docs for hours. need similar help here.
wywialm: the recommendations are moderated, also
mircea_popescu: mno. just recommended him to give them something to do hopefully less retarded than what they were doing at the time.
n6: seems a shame to come all this way and not finish the job.
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n6: mircea_popescu: I'm still working on getting the callgraph http://trilema.com/2015/open-callgraph-for-therealbitcoin-in-svg-format/#comment-114958 working but seem to have lost my lsub file, on my gentoo install and need to build it on os x and move it over to my gentoo distro. think you could help me with that?
wywialm: ah, in case you, the assetteers, are interested - Quedex is running beta testing combined with trading challenge. Participation is greatly welcomed as well as any feedback
mircea_popescu: tell you what, wen i was about 10 a girl that really liked me in schooil called me on the phone pretending to be this other girl i really liked, and she tricked me into meeting at the movies.
mircea_popescu: so what, i'm the patron saint of sane ops ?
mircea_popescu: n6 either i'm slow today or something's amiss. i don't get what exactly you think you did wrong from this story.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i always thought you're like the only cypherpunk here you know.
n6: nubbins` for good reason... but he was the only person around my level I could find to talk about this with.
n6: more then 5
wywialm: legally - yes, but you would be a stakeholder in some sense, so i'd rather do it with you knowing about it
mircea_popescu: n6 how would you help him then ?
n6: he was also asking me to rep him in the wot ( told him he had to do that on his own )
mircea_popescu: wywialm i'm not required to allow trading of options. for as long as you hold some of the underlying, you can structure its ownership in any way you wish. such as through trading options on it.
n6: told him I wouldn't have anything to do with fiat only bitcoin and we would have to move out of the states to do it.
n6: we had a longer friendship then 3/mo and he was the one who told me about bitcoin forums (how i found out about mpoe-pr). anyway once I got to nyc, saw we both didnt know anything so pretty much told him I couldnt keep keys and we would lose all our money
wywialm: second, is the stock options mentioned above - would you allow to issue options on S.MPOE, or would you allow creating an MPEx index to issue derivatives on it?
mircea_popescu: wywialm it's not an illegitimate approach. i can't evaluate how practically useful it'll be, but then again that's what you folks are in for right ?
wywialm: first,is the dual market model - we are utilising auctions on openings and closes. Do you have any thoughts on it?
n6: Started reading reading trilema about 2.5 years ago, and it was all, I could think about. But my understanding was lacking. so I didnt talk in b-a took it to all my friends, none of them seeme to care. but then one guy cyperpunk sort of guy... we talked about it for about 3/mo then he dropped off the face of the earth
wywialm: actually, there are two more issues i would like to ask you
mircea_popescu: was another guy did something similar, trying to remember
mircea_popescu: wywialm best of luck. there isn't anything glaringly obvious to say else.
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n6: but maybe my story can help others
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n6: Hey mircea_popescu I have been coming around last few days getting a ton of help, but it has all made me feel awful. Last year I really let your ideas down and ended up getting tricked by someone pretending to be a friend of mine. but in the end the basic ideas saved me from going to jail. would you help me work out?
nubbins`: for the amount of shady things he was into
mircea_popescu: wywialm there's know and there's know. not something i can help you with - but know you are in fact taking your fate in your own hands and make the call as to these people in full light of that.
mircea_popescu: i guess all the effort to parallel-construct was no longer worth it seeing how "nobody" really bought it anyway.
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mircea_popescu: er scammer runs witrh moey and the entire stack of noobs is left apologizing
mircea_popescu: the way this usually works, and it has worked about 500 times to date with 0 variance, is that scammer gets a coupla sluts and a coupla "credible people" to contact respectable, well meaning folk, launches project. from the perspective of the public the respectable folk form an impenetrable visual barrier. from the perspective of said folk, the coupla sluts and couipla salesmen idem. and a year to a year and a half lat
mircea_popescu: why're these people involved not in the wot for instance ? who are they ? how do you know any word they say is true ?
wywialm: i think it's a good idea, and i know personally people involved, and i needed your comments - how else could i get these?
mircea_popescu: why would you wish to risk your reputation (which, whatever you may think of it, is significant enough that you can come here and have my ear whenever you want to) on this thing ? for all you know you're reliving the neobee nightmare. you remember that ?
mircea_popescu: (note that deferred salary payments and other promises make you a 3)
mircea_popescu: are you an outside consultant on a salary, a board member with an equity interest, a volunteer academic, none of the above.
wywialm: i am the economist behind all this
mircea_popescu: what's the meaning of "collaborating on" in this context ?
mircea_popescu: problem being the market's illiquid enough to be easily pushed. but that's not something you'll manage to fix or really should be fixing.
mircea_popescu: shinohai will require a coupla engineers always on to watch the watchjer. this is unavoidalbe, bitcoin is a pos anyway.
mircea_popescu: can function (irrespective of what idiots such as the eu central bank think). so there is that.
mircea_popescu: this will be the bane of your existence, on the general theoretic front. because like it or not, the unappealing dilemma is, either offer "renegotiable contracts", which is roughly what you're describing, and which fails at the only job futures have to do (ie, ensure the buyer of specified amount of specified merchandise on specified date), or else full reserve, which will kill your speculators without which no market
shinohai: From: https://quedex.net/doc/security "The Cold Wallet is implemented on top of the Bitcoin Core client using watch-only addresses." <<< fail ?
wywialm: yes, ultimately, the exchange provides reserves to cover for members' losses, which are planned to be strenghened by credit default swaps
wywialm: margin calls might appear in real time, if the margin is not replenished quickly, the position is liquidated
mircea_popescu: "explain" and "make sense" of it all. because omfg, what if she just ditched the blouse o noes her mommy told her the sky would fall.
mircea_popescu: http://40.media.tumblr.com/52250483f30c6d161a3d9517789a4ac7/tumblr_n9eqdbprVo1tttg72o1_1280.jpg << quoted for the pained face and contorted body language of the derp in white. she KNOWS, like in her ovaries, that she's looking at exactly what she should be doing. she thinks, in her stupid head, that this is not something she could do. so she's in the physically detectable process of inventing contortions of nonsense to
wywialm: currently the contracts are financially settled, but when we move to the physical delivery (as soon as possible), the margins would increase as the contract approaches notice date
mircea_popescu: suppose i buy a million dollars to be delivered in q4. how do you resolve the part where you have to make sure whoever sold me the mn actually has it by then ?
mircea_popescu: how do you resolve the liability issue ?
mircea_popescu: where do these fucktards spawn from srsly.
mircea_popescu: "Thats like saying the dotcom bubble was a scam isn't it? You can certainly phrase it like that but is that really whats going on. An actual scam?"
wywialm: from the financial perspective, it assumes that when running futures exchange, one should also provide options and have a complete market
mircea_popescu: someone is new at the entire "spun content" business.
mircea_popescu: wywialm in the sense that what, users give you their key and all subsequent communication's encrypted and signed by it ?
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mircea_popescu: in other lolz, http://trilema.com/2014/a-complete-theory-of-economics/#comment-114982
wywialm: sure, statements about the exchange?
wywialm: hello, I would like to request your comments on the project i am collaborating on
mircea_popescu: but otherwise the point is correct, the gentoo choice predated the rotor and proibably was made obsolete by it
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mircea_popescu: <mod6> Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo << not clear there exist any sane linuxen ; not clear that if we don't marry to something there'll be anything left next year. that sorta thing.
asciilifeform: either ^this or that 'f-mri' gadget where machine determines if 'has seen X before'
asciilifeform: (character of the pw)
mircea_popescu: <jurov> mircea_popescu strucks me like -- "who needs the yucky plankton" said the whale << can you be specific ? what is this, neoimpressionism ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> http://i.imgur.com/cxw3zdC.jpg << i have nfi why porn is sorted by all sorts of dubious criteria rather than say "tit shape". "All girls pears volume MCXVI". "Catshaped Tits LMII". "That weird pubescent thing where the nipple is most of the tit XIV"
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phf: ;;later tell ben_vulpes if you can run `brew -v install cs >cs-debug.log 2>&1` (-v shows the underlying build output) and send me paste cs-debug.log that would be helpful.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> from that brain wallet drama https://rya.nc/cracking_cryptocurrency_brainwallets.pdf someone had 250 btc using "how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood" << the benefits of more adoption. i bet you he "just wanted bitcoin to work" and "we" should make sure that happens while he focuses on whatever the fuck he does. running for mayor in futopia, coming up with surnames for earthwor
shinohai: I fired up namecoind and used the same curl request fine :/
shinohai: kk. I am just trying to confirm if I am the only one having this issue. If so, then I am doing *something* horribly stupid.
mod6: other versions as in .. from us? or from power rangers?
shinohai: Not yet, gonna clear a space to try it. But I tried multiple times on the other versions and no dice.
kakobrekla: J_EDGAR_HOOVER is the main security guardian of the system, called upon at process start, file open, user log on, etc. < lmao
shinohai: I haven't got it to run 100% for me outside of a basic x86_64 build. I am waiting to see a build log for arm systems, then I think I can run with the cross-compilation thing.
mod6: The whole 'we need to get to a sane environment -- let's use Gentoo' idea was pre-dated the rotor. Now I just gotta get rotor to work for me :]
mod6: Sure thing. Agree 100%, but since 'rotor' can run on any "sane" linux (to quote ascii), we don't have to marry ourselves to Gentoo and thereby also provide steps to build Gentoo. As 'rotor' should work basically anywhere. Needs to really.
kakobrekla: > Ironically, now that MCP runs on commodity hardware some elements of the MCP based software suite are no longer made available in source form by Unisys. <heh
mod6: So now that we have 'rotor', most likly we won't need to have the gentoo guide. We'll see how it goes but in the future we'll probably just point people at the gentoo handbook if they want to run Gentoo.
assbot: Logged on 08-08-2015 04:24:05; asciilifeform: the abstraction is imperfect and necessarily leaks.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-08-2015#1230243 <-- alf's 4th law of thermodynamics
scoopbot_revived: Mining Difficulty Advances For The Third Consecutive Time http://qntra.net/2015/08/mining-difficulty-advances-for-the-third-consecutive-time/
trinque: I go by this other, more specific piece of data now
pete_dushenski: mebbe i need to hit the sack and try again tmrw
ben_vulpes: undata and trinque are the same guy too, pete
pete_dushenski: punkman: the diametric/decimation and undata/trinque things readily cause confusion.
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ben_vulpes: ;;later tell phf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell -hf_mobile i'm going to give this another whack tonight and then knock off for a spell. cs seems unhappy about...something.
punkman: asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: lulzy, no? almost like poor fella confessed << I was slightly baffled because I thought decimation was in someone's meat-wot, then realized I was thinking of diametric. anyway, quite suspect parting message.
n6: Looks like I killed the channel sorry.
n6: then why did I need to know about static linking?
n6: mircea_popescu: are you hinting at the need to build lsub (here) and move it over to (there) In a DETERMINISTIC way? lsub seems to be what I need.
mircea_popescu: like the os quote, it contains no truth, merely the figments of truth in the shape of nonsense that stays truthy on a first approximation basis
mats: well, how do you find this to be vulgar beyond the appeal to plebs
mircea_popescu: it stays true for as long as the reader stays stupid.
mircea_popescu: right, made to appeal to the common man.
mircea_popescu: well that doesn't exactly help because i assume refinement is then a lack of vulgarity ?