mircea_popescu: aww, he ran alf out ? i was kinda enjoying the spectacle.
shinohai: Pretty simple. Read logs. Don't ask people to help you do one thing, and do another. I have neither the time nor crayons for people like that.
n6: sorry for all the wasted time, still trying to make sense of all this.
n6: Ok im going to install gentoo and get into the wot
shinohai: Further !ups will cost you 0.005 per until you get in wot like everyone else.
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo: When I went to get cigarettes earlier the Proprietor was being interviewed on KMOX. Sounded very close to going full Uncle Ruckus.
BingoBoingo: Though the 911 salon got looted again last night
BingoBoingo: USG agitators slacking on their Purge incitement
shinohai: Now the ethereum project will steal that pic punkman and use it on their "cloud-mining" webpage.
shinohai: The logs are searchable yet!
shinohai: The lawgs and qntra have replaced my newspaper with morning coffee.
wilbns: probably getting alzheimers, it's on both the paternal and maternal side of my fam #great
wilbns: http://thenextweb.com/2015/08/10/google-is-reorganizing-under-a-new-umbrella-company-called-alphabet/
n6: I don't see buildroot-asciilifeform-pogov4.patch in the list of files.
trinque: even if you end up with a working pogo, if you don't understand the steps which resulted in that, you've gained very little
trinque: n6: what's called for there is you going and doing research at the points where you get stuck
n6: I still need support with Pogotron would you mind helping me some more ascii_field not sure what i'm doing and everytime the help dries up my progress stops.
ascii_field: they can rename to 'fuckyou inc.' and what difference will it make to anyone ?
shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/2015/08/10/google-is-reorganizing-under-a-new-umbrella-company-called-alphabet/
n6: I need to my sane sitaution in order before I can join the wot
kakobrekla: what else then
n6: kakobrekla: yea I lost my old key, and am trying to find my way back the right way.
trinque: you need to focus on a single linux environment and get a foothold there
n6: I'm not sure if debian is going to be any better then this.
n6: still working on http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000074.html but not sure about my next step.. seems like my os is holding me back, still trying to build my spaceship but it starts with having sane tools maybe debian on the laptop then i can build this on the begalbone and then build the gentoo on the desktop?
ascii_field: then - perfect.
ascii_field: not like they don't all use approximately same chipset
punkman: the brick doesn't look too bad though, I don't think it's big
punkman: they are just rebranded chinese phones
ascii_field: there is no reason for '90s bricks.
ascii_field: the slovenian thing is a 'hemingwriter'
trinque: extent of the thing's responsibilites are "yes I am still alive" and "yes I will go check out that server"
trinque: they all are
ascii_field: what'd the point ?
trinque: nothing in particular; I am still in the market for a suitable dumbphone
ascii_field: what's wrong with the chinese 'credit card phones' ?
trinque: thestringpuller: good afternoon
trinque: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: not a priority either.
mircea_popescu: "So my new little desktop app, which was quickly distributed to millions of unsuspecting checkbox-ignoring users, would borrow their existing Google session by reading their browser cookies, then invisibly click that App Store install button for them on apps that were paying us for distribution."
n6: ascii_field: I installed 1.4 gpg but am still getting the same error as before http://dpaste.com/3VRBYWJ
Adlai: wywialm: anybody in L2 can !up somenewbie, which gives them temporary voice; anybody in L1 can !rate somenewbie, putting them in L2 and enabling them to self-voice
trinque: I grew up in the Biggest and Best "master planned community" in TX
ascii_field: trinque: they are made largely of, approximately, papier mache.
mircea_popescu: "you can take the girl out of the trash, but you can't take the trash out of the girl principally because she perceives all the alternatives are shit"
ascii_field: like the early '80s in su, with caviar and japanese tape decks
ascii_field: them!
mircea_popescu: where "the graudate" happened.
mircea_popescu: "suburbia", the 1960s variant.
mircea_popescu: before fucking tv executives tried to turn it into money, the expression denoted the sort of crammed, unsanitary, sexually repressed housing usians lived in post ww2 and brtught up the boomers.
mircea_popescu: check it out they made a show
ascii_field: 'The series follows the lives of the residents of the small town of Rome, Wisconsin, where weird things happen, including cows' udders exploding and a spate of people turning up dead in freezers. Struggling to maintain order in the community is Sheriff Jimmy Brock...'
gribble: Picket Fences (TV Series 1992–1996) - IMDb: <http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0103512/>; Picket Fences - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picket_Fences>; Picket Fences - TV.com: <http://www.tv.com/shows/picket-fences/>
ascii_field: ideal as in it keeps the indians out ?
mircea_popescu: which is not either ideal or even desirable.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the usian ideal thing.
mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled thermodynamics and the worst thing you can do with your head is chase local maxima.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled thermodynamics, sure.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you're roughly doing the equivalent to the "black supremacy" captioning you know.
ascii_field: on mine, big money is made, 999 times of 1000, by theft or scam.
mircea_popescu: ther problem with this is that the actual work keeps being pushed on things that can't actually do it.
mircea_popescu: as a matter of principle - modern finance is mostly a bunch of entitled imbeciles trying for the lowest-effort approach. ideally, if they could just open a sack and money fell in kthx.
mircea_popescu: it is not the exchange's job to manage people's capital allocation.
mircea_popescu: and, ideally, you're not allowed back in, either.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, no, that is the correct approach.
wywialm: i thought that it is better to publish the exchange as soon as bossible to collect feedback such as yours
wywialm: Adlai, unfortunately, yes - there is much room for improvements and we hope to add more forgiving liquidation scheme before or soon after real launch
mircea_popescu: ascii_field kinda old & stale by now, but hey, if it's all they got... it's all they got.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is bitcoin vulnerable to reddit posts ?
mircea_popescu: punkman the entire "online ad" industry is fundamentally predicated on "we can sell bot traffic to idiots"
mircea_popescu: phf alternatively you can just download a possibly dirty key, use it, then once you get to know the person ask them to verify it
trinque: sure, but I have to give them shit.
trinque: nice business microsoft has there
shinohai: I am surprised that theymos is supposedly calling XT and altcoin.
ascii_field: shinohai: gotta love the tards - thief screams 'stop, thief'
assbot: [META] On hardforking: If Bitcoin is so vulnerable to reddit posts and a man who codes in the open, that it requires censorship to stay safe, perhaps it is destined for doom after all. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tl9kHI )
phf: the first part of that process is dodgiest, since there's no way to ensure that it's assbot that's handing out shasums
diametric: punkman: the people paying his employer for their ad services were not getting return on those ads.
ascii_field: 'The stuff I worked on in that job was complete horseshit. It provided absolutely zero value to anybody. It existed and was expressly optimized for the sole purpose of exploiting non-tech-savvy computer users to generate undeserved profits.'
phf: for the record i think a secure and verifiable path for receiving a key of person in wot is to ssl connect to freenode using explicit server key, request !shasum wot from assbot, download http://files.bitcoin-assets.com/wot/wot_users.sql.gz, verify its shasum, do `zgrep -oE '\([^)]+phf[^)]+\)' wot_users.sql.gz` (or whatever nick), the second number in the grep output is going to be the key fingerprint, next grep --recv-key <fingerprint>
n6: mircea_popescu: appstore dev tools 2.6gb and no progress bar. going for 6.4 off the website hope the command line tools just installed for later version don't fuck me.
n6: ascii_field: anyway I can check to see if its downloading using unix tools and the command line?
n6: ascii_field: I'm install it from the app store.. they don't even have a progress bar hope its installing.
ascii_field: where a cathedral once stood
mircea_popescu: whenever you run across one of these "software projects" in bootstrap/qt/whatever the fuck tell them "This is not programming, this is hogramming. Be a pro, don't be a ho."
ascii_field: that kind sorta lift off the ground, if no wind
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: also because the relevant tech simply did not mature
mircea_popescu: which btw, reminds me i came up with an excellent slogan to inhibit the cancer.
ascii_field: the tech did not grow up.
mircea_popescu: fucking computation has to be special because all the fucktards wanna be important in their own heads and power range around
mircea_popescu: by the time electricity was a central commodity, idem.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field get out. by the time oil was a central commodity to civilisation for fifty years, it was trivial to get an engine deployed to spec. TO SPEC!!!11
ascii_field: 'I'm positively _delighted_ that I can buy consumer products so cheaply and so conveniently, but -- get this -- I'm not in the business of making microwave ovens or wine glasses or books or speakers, but I _do_ expect those who _are_ to have professional tools, so I can buy consumer goods inexpensively with moderately high quality. I don't _want_ Joe Blows' Homemade Microwave Oven, OK?'
ascii_field: where did anyone get the idea that this is 'easy' and 'friendly' ?
n6: I'm working on the real computer thing, its a long road.
n6: ascii_field: The only way to get that for OS X is to build from source using https://www.gnupg.org/download/ ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: download a copy of the key
shinohai: If you have to ask "why check sigs" then I can't even begin ....
n6: ascii_field: yea this gentoo thing has me under a lot of pressure, working on going down a more sane path today. Homework first then attack the problem, last few days tried attacking first and it hasnt worked out.
ascii_field: otherwise can't fathom how.
ascii_field: prolly didn't copy the config
shinohai: I did the pogotron thing and still wound up with a x86 binary
n6: ascii_field: I want to build gentoo using a x86 but for an armv7a, using something like distcc? would that make the builds DETERMINISTIC since everything you would need would be included?
ascii_field: n6, shinohai: search the ml for 'pogotron'. yes, buildroot builds for arm, mips, whatever
shinohai: Something like that, though I still can't make cross-compilation work. I'm not the wizard ascii_field is.
n6: ascii_field: we talked about DETERMINISTIC builds the other day would that be somehting like Distcc too on gentoo where you can build something on x86 for arm?
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 14:35:19; funkenstein_: The full orchestra! :) Fedora-20-x64
wilbns: BingoBoingo: thanks for following-up... yeah, some stuff did seem a little strange w/ greenwald. also, not sure if you perceived this, but from my perspective, parts of the doc seemed a little scripted or rehearsed.
funkenstein_: I think they should publish on court website exactly the number which they forbid to be published just so we all know not to publish it
funkenstein_: "the State Departments order to remove the digital files of his 3D printable handgun from his website" <-- good strategy. Fight the enemy over their demand for time machine, keep them busy and away from live targets
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: TEST2 script took some of the fun out of it, thing has the gameplay of "progress quest"
funkenstein_: The full orchestra! :) Fedora-20-x64
cazalla: you'd think hearn and co would at least put up a few dozen extra xt nodes to fool people into thinking the mass of /r/bitcoin posts demanding xt discussion are legit
punkman: who's the icebreaker fellow
cazalla: shinohai, a stay in hospital is pretty well subsidised here if you go public and don't mind the total lack of service, or you can go private (we don't really have pre-existing condition stuff here.. if you take out private health insurance, any pre-existing condition is covered after 12 months)
shinohai: There is a whole black market (pun intended) for food stamps/drugs here.
punkman: they just came out with "food stamps" in the form of ATM cards reloaded monthly with 70-200eur
shinohai: Of course, I'm not a senior but was quite outraged at the cost of everyday items my last hospital stay.
shinohai: That was the premise for an episode of "Better Call Saul". Happens quite often here in teh US too.
cazalla: a lot of thieving goes on in those government homes for disabled people down under too.. the clients get welfare and from that the care takers pocket chunks of it by claiming they spent more than they did ($5 lunch becomes $15 lunch type of shit)
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
BingoBoingo: <wilbns> BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do? << His body language, his carriage, when he does and doesn't express discomfort. Coincidences between Greenwald finding things out and things going to shit...
wilbns: BingoBoingo: You mentioned the other day about "how could anyone trust Greenwald" - I think I missed something there. What did he do?
wilbns: mircea_popescu: it just seemed like something was/is a bit strange about the whole ordeal
mircea_popescu wonders how many people implemented a "textual replacement lisp interpreter" in bash/perl/php just to bother their sicp prof.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "all kinds of stuff over all kinds of platforms" is in any sense locked down's amiss.
coderwill: ...not that there is anything wrong w/ dropping out of any sort of educational system.
coderwill: side note - saw citizenfour last night. am having trouble grasping how high school drop-out supposedly gained access to all kinds of stuff across all kinds of platforms by the age of 29. somethings seems off w/ that whole thing.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 15:35:35; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-07-2015#1213082 << did the summarizer of #b-a logs go anywhere ?
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 01:34:01; mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
hanbot: mod6 awesome, ty for the script, will check it out!
mod6: I'm going to be afk for the rest of the night, but I can perhaps talk about it with you tomorrow.
mod6: Meanwhile, I can offer you a script that I use to patch up through maxint_locks_corrected from v0.5.3.1 -- it's not a guide, but if you read the steps, it's what needs to happen and in what order. The new (forthcoming) guide will be based on these steps: http://dpaste.com/0YVSD6Q.txt
mod6: hanbot: yeah, the guide needs to be updated. It's on the to-do list, just had my hands full lately. I can help you get patched up from v0.5.3.1 if you like. We can work on that this week.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i did eventually succeed with the rotor/stator combo
phf: ben_vulpes: one sec, i almost pushed another patch
ben_vulpes: hanbot: yes, fails spectacularly to produce a bitcoin and makes the operator take over patching at that point.
hanbot: i'll have a look at the test2 bit.
asciilifeform: but not a patching guide, rather, patches were applied. but it tells you which, and you can obtain previous release tarball, apply them yourself, and compare the result.
asciilifeform: and there is this, http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000140.html by mod6
asciilifeform: (i have not, unfortunately, tested the latter)
asciilifeform: unless the automatic script created by ben_vulpes is one
hanbot: i did. is there a new&improved patching guide? i missed it if so
asciilifeform had no part in writing the linked recipe
hanbot: the ml patching guide (http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000067.html) step 0x07] Clean Source Base involves manifests which i take it are part of the guide's referenced patch tarballs. given the stator patch battery is single .patch file only, how's one to handle this step (and why does guide assume patch will come in ball?)?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell lobbes can we has the bot back plz ?
mircea_popescu: lol did you manage talking lobbes into letting you do these by hand ?
asciilifeform: then - psychiatry.
mircea_popescu: you manage factories (also ill tuned pianos) not individual women on their period.
asciilifeform: not sure if involved. at least in the usual sense. thing isn't a horse, or dog, more like a very ill-tuned piano
mircea_popescu: there is definitely a lot of management involved in being a competent computer handler, by the nature of the thing
asciilifeform: that's rather like saying that 'literary skill is good penmanship'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually i happen to regard the alarm clock as the single most destructively irritating thing in my entire existence
mircea_popescu: the derps may call it "A time management device", but hey.
assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 03:00:47; mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233014 and http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-08-2015#1233009 then 'management' and 'programming skill' are entirely one and the same thing in that field.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but i mean... you wouldn't propose the alarm clock is a manager would you.
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mircea_popescu: ^ see first steps article there
mircea_popescu: get in the wot first eh.
mircea_popescu: (it's the view i moistly take)
asciilifeform: i like to think of the more positive, stalin sense
mircea_popescu: would you have wriutten the same sorter without him ?
asciilifeform: but i do not think this corresponds to the generally-understood meaning of the word 'management'
mircea_popescu: kinda why it's very bad "fiction" : it presents us the nonsensical construct of a lone man that's part of the british empire.
asciilifeform: if this is 'managed', then a brick falling is 'managed'
mircea_popescu: well, he follows a script he carried over (in his memory), which was given him by people, rather than discovered by him on his own time.
asciilifeform: after all, egg is not the only thing that comes out of a chicken..
asciilifeform: but thus far most of the software artifacts i personally see as making a computer worth using at all, were written by one (or handful) of people, and largely on stolen/embezzled employer time, and under no management whatsoever other than the 'emperor in their heads'
asciilifeform: could. but none of the items i'm personally familiar with in depth do
mircea_popescu: what'd the proof look like ?
asciilifeform: i regard it as far from proven fact that these are separable activities in software-making.
mircea_popescu: the proof of the fact that people with dayjobs can't manage are the dayjobs in question.
mircea_popescu: it shouldn't be MANAGED by them, however.
asciilifeform: thus shattering the illusion that 'everything benefits from being written by folks with day jobs' and 'open source lives well on sunshine and kisses'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can't speak for other distros, but the magic moment of gentoo beginning its slide into hitler's bunker is often said to be the time when the lead programmer went to work for microshit.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck lmao. "filesharing" ? it's not even a thing.
mircea_popescu: "2. Box: The online filing sharing company is poised to go public on Friday after a number of false starts. But Box recently revealed it suffered a $170 million loss in its latest year of results."
asciilifeform: 'Debord's first book, Mémoires, was bound with a sandpaper cover so that it would damage other books placed next to it.' << win
mircea_popescu: but the "here is" part somehow never occured. there's a 5-15 year overlap where the will and had overlap.
phf: there's no guy debord for u.s. universities
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232567 << im starting to suspect reasonable linux never existed. it for a while looked like soon enough IT WILL. then it seamlessly switched to looking like for a while IT HAD.
asciilifeform: path that makes it break if you move or rename the dir.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232560 << how the fuck did this become a thing anwyay
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for reference, samet was/is one of the maybe six sane and respectable profs in that dept
phf: asciilifeform: but yeah, of course that was his side of the story. he was not a particularly good teacher, but he knew his shit, re spatial data structures
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no. the 90%
mircea_popescu: the drawing lots ?
phf: asciilifeform: i think his class was a entry level elective, so a bunch of special snowflakes took it to distinguish themselves on transcript
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a good idea incidewntally. if i ran the school, it'd be "this class fails 90% - if the teacher doesn't flunk that many we'll draw lots, but student body DOES get decimated one way or another"
phf: mircea_popescu: there's an internal conflict resolution body, which essentially mirrors us court system. when i had some issues with the school, i was immediately advised to higher a lawyer by every random student i talked to about it
mircea_popescu: i thot the vulgate is that lawyers aren't allowed on campus.
asciilifeform: and wtf, much harsher coursework was done there when i was a wee lad
mircea_popescu: phf i don't get this lawyers thing tbh. nothing left of the 60s parisian uprising in the us ?
phf: a prof at umd (hanan samet, he did his grad work at stanford under john mccarthy) told me that he tried teaching SICP for a semester, with the predictable result of 90% failure rate. equally predictably parents started calling dean's office and sent in lawyers, the grades were nullified and his teaching methods questioned, of course he never tried teaching SICP again
asciilifeform: btw, iirc mircea_popescu once asked why dijkstra is not taught in american schools. the reason is not a secret: he openly taught that fewer people have any business programming computer than performing surgery
asciilifeform: yes, yes they can.
asciilifeform: 'anybody can gather rat shit and smear it in a wound.'
asciilifeform: half the battle is merely to get anybody to contemplate that it is possible to eat things other than shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: '...not unlike the idea that there can exist "professional code" or professional defecation. Get over it, everyone's doing it anyway.' << i've said before, and will say again: this not-unfounded notion is not a neutral observation, but a normative; and for so long as folks expect a steaming heap of shit on their plates, that is what will be served for dinner.
phf: btw, doing `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log --show-signature` should show that all the commits have been signed with my key. of course homebrew has zero hooks to enforce signed only updates..
gernika: phf didn't see it in the list of updated formulas but the hash changed: b94bbf8834183935a1e03bd3736942e455a02e1c
phf: ben_vulpes, gernika: i just pushed another version. see if "pf/homebrew-eulora" is in brew update results. also it /should/ now use gcc-4.6 but who the fuck knows. rebuild if don't mind spending electricity, i'll continue reading homebrew source code
mircea_popescu: is it just me or is trilema actually the 4th result for pay for your tits
phf: did you ran the above git -C ... command? if it's returning ce6d*, then you're on the latest change
ben_vulpes: phf: are you pushing changes? neither cs nor eulora were listed in the output of `brew update'
phf: and then it hacks up the environment so that calls to gcc-* are funneled to whatever version of gcc homebrew magically decided to use
phf: homebrew on the other hand can be told "this thing doesn't build with GCC/llvm/clang such and such" but can't be told explicitly "build with this compiler", because!
gernika: I do have gcc46 - I'm not sure if I have other gcc versions or not - I vaguely recall xcode installing some compiler or other
phf: now it's push pull against homebrew.. i take it you have gcc46 installed via homebrew and no other gcc versions
phf: ben_vulpes: have you been brew update'ing? i'm looking at the latest log and it looks like an older version of a script. `git -C $(brew --repository)/Library/Taps/pf/homebrew-eulora log|head -1|awk '{print $2}'` should return ce6d58194e2371ac9d4295e3a9a336fe6e44c548
phf: williamdunne: i guess i might've also did a wild guess, i assume you're getting some standard-objects from somewhere, and they come out as #<FOO #x123123> or somesuch and you're trying to figure out, what's inside of them. you can (inspect foo) to see the insides of the object on repl, or you can call that (defmethod ...) and then every time an object is displayed on repl it's going to be displayed as #<FOO (value . 1) (value2 . "hello")> i
phf: *it should rather
phf: they should
phf: williamdunne: try running that function and then see if the display of these objects from an event changed
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-08-2015#1232838 << and when i tell mircea_popescu 'they own the backbone', he laughs
phf: williamdunne: if you paste it in your repl, objects that you create with make-instance will magically display their attributes