ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: dja hear about the new indigo compound?
mircea_popescu: JERRY: (sarcastically)Ya, then maybe baldness will catch on. This will all be turning your way.
cazalla: i would hazard a guess that the lifetime supervision is about minimising the chances this kid can enact his own justice once he reaches an age where he realises what a dud deal this was for him (around the time he gets out i would guess)
ascii_field: 'life supervision' << is this the first sentence of its kind ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ask the earl d'alencon
mircea_popescu: that's all the opression anyone's ever getting.
trinque: and I'm skeptical there are even "groups" to speak of
mircea_popescu: yes there is
trinque: there's no particular oppression of the whites going on except as a subset of the kind of oppression the socialist state commits generally
mircea_popescu: (much like the reformed us military is about as useless as sugared sardines)
mircea_popescu: they never had any military value or utility.
mircea_popescu: mercenary troops wehre the late medieval/renaissance equivalent of art collecting.
mircea_popescu: "Furthermore, when the nobility went to war, they would employ foreign mercenaries as auxiliary troops." << this, in partiucular, is rank nonsense.
trinque: that the zaps in synapses are phenomena
trinque: rather, I suppose I am thinking with phenomena
mircea_popescu: well certainly not at the same time
mircea_popescu: you can contrast it with ontology, or gnoseology for that matter. and obviously you can build other quite clever sturctures. but yours didn't mean anything is all.
mircea_popescu: not the point. the point is that "phenomenology" is directly equivalent with "which discusses things that happen"
mircea_popescu: trinque in any case "phenomenological thinking" is a void concept. thinking is not described by the subject it's applied to. you said something roughly like "lighting electrictiy". sure, it can be used to bring light.
mircea_popescu: (and the difference is quite understood by native english speakers, at that. consider how "universal karma" sounds vs "cosmic karma". which evokes govt bureaucracy and why ?)
trinque: is this sort of phenomenological thinking vs thinking in terms of theory and structure?
mircea_popescu: the latter are preoccupied chiefly with entrance barriers, and are debating, predictably, if building a wall across colorado is worth the hassle.
mircea_popescu: trinque quite exactly : a cosmos is the graph of perceptibles. a universe is the set of perceptibles.
trinque: I don't know that the relationships need be between things which would be considered to be in the same set
mircea_popescu: but can you explain the difference between graph and set ?
trinque: causes me to think, but I'll first suppose that the former includes the multitude of things within, and the latter refers to the structure within which those things exist
mircea_popescu: trinque can you explain the difference between cosmos and universe ?
mircea_popescu: whereas the idea of body as in "body politic" is all but dead in english, today.
mircea_popescu: three fucking words. because one's the mechanical body, and the other the biologic body, and the third the metaphysical body.
BingoBoingo: More than anything I use the numbers as a rough combination of interactions and "bus factor"
mircea_popescu: for instance, in english : "they found the body" (ie, corpse) ; "smoking is bad for the body" (ie, mechanism) ; this is the body of christ.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, yeah i understand the numbers thing only has value to you, so i am sure you will not be offended that i don't rate higher than a 4-5 for anyone i've yet to share a meal with.
mircea_popescu: and yes this discussion of structure does merely belie much deeper divergence in the actual usage, which i suspect is driven by fundamental divergence in phylosophy.
mircea_popescu: "how representative of this person i consider my experience with them"
BingoBoingo: Oh, I did the WoT clean up just a little bit ago
BingoBoingo: cazalla: We share a business. It's survived nearly a year. Also the particular numbers next to ratings don't exactly mean much.
trinque recalls the "visual programming" project, sees it now as an autoimmune reaction to english and various not-lisps
trinque: seems like exactly the same dump-truck full of partially digested concepts in both cases
mircea_popescu: it is perhaps not an idle topic of inquiry to find how much of the rotten-ness of extant software stack mostly comes from the unfortunate happenstance that it was written by people who spoke english with their women.
trinque: right, takes much more verbosity to convey similar, but not the same meaning
mircea_popescu: ascii_field much like the british empire was a pretension, not a reality.
trinque: is that "homini" like "upon other men"
mircea_popescu: english, as spoken by the fucking queen, before they got the current crop of hamburg tavern wenches, was in point of fact an actual language.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no you can, check it out : man is the wolf of men / man is wolf to men.
ascii_field: mod6: 213.x.y.z is the vampire imho
mircea_popescu: "homo homines lupus est" = man is the wolf of men.
mircea_popescu: but the main problem english faces is that it fails to make the complemet distinctions. in romanian : la baieti (to the boys) ; baietilor (to the boys). first tells you where, the 2nd whom.
trinque: I've suspected due to the way russian speakers speak english, "a" and "the" might be absent or expressed differently
mircea_popescu: "are you a pleb or did your parents have enough spare food in your childhood to have the time to teach you the fucking cases"
mircea_popescu: incidentally the little card trading game illustrated above is the romanian #1 class distinguisher.
ascii_field: (it is not given to any one language to have all the jumpers set)
ascii_field: (for illustrating the above.)
mircea_popescu: pretty much all structure of language at the outset of possibility is in there. once you learn it it's just "fill the colors" for any other.
trinque: will have to dedicate some later part of life to improving my grasp of other languages.
mircea_popescu: (these three males) + (belonging to that guy) = ai aceluia ; (this single female) + (belonging to that group of females) = a acelora.
trinque: yeah, I can begin to see how a particular language can limit the specificity of expression
mircea_popescu: so you have the seemingly confounding a/al/ai/ale + acesta/acela aceasta/aceea acestia/aceia acestea/acelea. for a grand total of omfg it's romanian - the gathering!
ben_vulpes: trinque: dancehall caballeros is another excellent track of theirs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYg9omPYx_M
mircea_popescu: like in romanian you can ask "ale cui is pizdele astea ?" (whose are these cunts ?) and the anser come "ale aceluia" (that guy's) or ale aceleia (that gal's) etc.
mircea_popescu: most languages also have a posessive, which in english is conflated in his/hers/theirs.
mircea_popescu: (demonstrative is what got boiled down into this/that/these/those)
trinque: "this particular one of the set" which is what, dieser?
mircea_popescu: what myriad dood, there's 3.
trinque: though their specificity, I'm sure very useful
trinque: was trying to learn; the myriad articles still kick my puny english ass
trinque: punkman: given existing computing systems, I'd rather run a wire than use pulseaudio's streaming
mircea_popescu: <fluffypony> wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side << google just wants their "privacy". https et all.
mircea_popescu: <trinque> lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume << quite.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> ""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only << hurrr. nice lol.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> the other assertions << college is slightly harder because tight packed in sardine can. other girls keep tabs on the hot guys.
thestringpuller: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << Interview with Gavin on how bitcion is going to die if we don't listen!!!!1111
trinque: heh.. they're "trying to be private" !
fluffypony: danielpbarron: private in terms of your ISP or someone else at the coffee shop sniffing your connection
punkman: fluffypony: I see no difference between the two
assbot: Google tells iOS 9 app devs: Switch off HTTPS if you want that sweet sweet ad money from us • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1MTfpL6 )
fluffypony: wow who thought we'd see the day where Apple is pro-privacy and Google takes the opposite side: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/27/google_apple_ads/
thestringpuller: oh the 90's. California was an okay album
thestringpuller: And I love the esoteric/avant garde music that kinda breached from it like Estradasphere
assbot: The Dillinger Escape Plan - Irony Is a Dead Scene (2002) [Full EP] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDsxTU )
trinque: dan the automator also.
trinque: from the perspective of utility, sure, having plan9-like network transparency sounds neat
punkman kicks the jukebox
trinque: lets bolt networking to the sound stack because that'll look sweet on my resume
trinque: so, I've been running alsa for quite a while without software mixing, only to bother looking into it this week (surely this could be done before pulseaudio!)
ascii_field: the 'funny cartoonist' bit settles it
ascii_field: thestringpuller: reads entirely like an especially imbecilic vendor shill
punkman: ""According to Karl Marx, 'The philosophers have only interpreted the world. The point, however, is to change it.' The acquisition of SpeedRoute brings to fruition the idea behind t0.com: making financial markets more fair and efficient through the application of crypto technology," said Overstock CEO Patrick M. Byrne."
thestringpuller: ascii_field: http://dpaste.com/3E9YD7G.txt << the original article. transposed especially for you!
trinque: heh I actually find both of those rather attractive.
thestringpuller: see: "Broad City" these girls actually exist.
trinque: depends on the chick, but if you're not fat, have all your teeth, and so on, I find it hard to believe a girl couldn't find a lay on such a thing
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 18:35:36; thestringpuller: trinque: read an article in wired recently about how this girl couldn't get laid after college so she signed up for tinder and she is quoted as saying, "I was more promiscuous than I ever could be in college."
ascii_field: trinque: any reason to believe the story ?
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUAJ8KLGqis << and apropos of nothing, here's a gem in the sea of electronic shit
trinque: the latter being a gay app for dick-shopping
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for cazalla from 3 to 8 with note: srs bsns, bunny rancher supreme
mircea_popescu: rare to find a french girl that says the r fucking proper.
trinque: mircea_popescu: culturally I think the US is getting to the point where everyone's going insane for lack of "No."
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for jurov from 2 to 5 with note: still around
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for mircea_popescu from 6 to 10 with note: Ongoing bsns
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for kakobrekla from 6 to 10 with note: Department of making shit work, cookies
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 4 to 10 with note: Shiva destroyer of Worlds
trinque: and yeah, Tinder's the one. I couldn't be less interested.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck does googling "ipad dating app" return... "heavy.com". wtf is that even
mircea_popescu: <trinque> "gotta like all my pinterests" << incidentally this is how the "friendzone" happens. if guy confuses the female-group imperative ("gotta be on switch or wtf that ipad dating thing was called") for the female-individual imperative ("gotta carry her bag") the female adds to her observation that "this guy is not matable" the obvious "but exploitable".
trinque: tellingly, the guy still idles here and reads logs.
mircea_popescu: he wants to talk about the scam-foundation faux-client, he can say that
mircea_popescu: i dunno why people insist of talking of things using the wrong words.
ascii_field: he's speaking of 0.5.3-therealbitcoin
ascii_field: the former
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: he's talking about therealbitcoin
thestringpuller: mod6 ben_vulpes https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3ioila/surviving_a_transaction_flood_and_keeping_your/cuipewb << Luke-Jr calls the foundation's client obsolete and insecure.
mircea_popescu: you think, by the way, "oh, weimar republic was weak so strong leader arose in hitler". this is bunk.
PeterL: "increase the dole"
mircea_popescu: often this means giving them actual jobs.
mircea_popescu: so everyone must be made to think they work for govt
PeterL: people are reaching that point where they realize they can just vote for the guy who promises to give them the most of other people's money
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen. << The most fun part of the game is looking for a way to inflict maximum damage by sacrificing your own queen
mircea_popescu: the state has two stable sizes. very small and =1.
trinque: but you know, the rebel flag is racis
mircea_popescu: try and playing chess but you may not lose the queen.
mircea_popescu: "it is a right of the citizens to do away with the taxman if they don't like what he does"
trinque: my local meetwot in austin practically had a celebration in the day's after Stack
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the thing that [used to] make the us unique was that unlike any other state before, it had this actually plainly said and plainly recorded :
ascii_field: they would not be feared if it were simple to kill'em
ascii_field: it's kinda like 'the right to behead vikings'
mircea_popescu: but, importantly, teaching the controversy re the 2nd ammendment in terms of "to own or not to own guns" is nonsense.
ascii_field: he is the tool, like the axe. but king who ordered 'heads off', is also acting predictably, no ?
mircea_popescu: because... they are, lol.
mircea_popescu: why do people think whosoever they don't grasp is inspired by satan himself ?
mircea_popescu: it's very plain game theory at work.
mircea_popescu: and this is why "incomprehensible" and "evil" are so deeply entertwined throughout the history of thought.
mircea_popescu: the demand to rationality reduces to "act in a manner i can understand"
mircea_popescu: if the soviets think the germans are being rational and are right, the soviets win. if vice-versa, vice-versa.
mircea_popescu: (and yes this is also why the state urges the individual to "be rational". oooofcourseitwould. the only rational thing to do is to preserve the 5th amendment, which is to say : i reserve the right to unilaterally shoot any and all policemen on my say so. because that's what fucking independence is.)
mircea_popescu: "women" may be "dumb". but they're not this dumb.
mircea_popescu: think about it for a second. in any game, the "rational" player is the defeated player. rational in this context merely means "that which has been intellectually dominated by the other side".
trinque: sounds like female expectation is fundamentally irrational then.
mircea_popescu: the last time things made sense to me i was 5 years old.
mircea_popescu: it's a fundamental expectation that a) world is reasonably constructed and b) the reasons are accessible. to him.
mircea_popescu: it's usually absurdistanisms of the sort. they drive the type of thinker PeterL's cartoon illustrates absolutely fucking batshit
mircea_popescu: (seinfeld kinda moicks it in their own retarded toothless way with the marine biologist.
mircea_popescu: trinque you gotta appreciate young female mating behaviour. what they generally do is pick a small ante.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It matters little, but helps the qntra get a bit broader audience than this channel
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'd rather messaging were solved by a cryptographically sane protocol
mircea_popescu: i guess that's the one true social media lifecycle : packaging attacks the sort of derps who buy into packaging, which in turn attract the trolls, who naturally feed on them.
trinque: mircea_popescu: terrible incentives. I told a chick the other day that she communicates like she expects her sentences to be retweeted.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Not at all for that. It's another broadcast channel so long as it lasts. Also useful for yelling at small market sports commentators
kakobrekla: >It doesn't seem to be one you use often. Personally, being on lists has never been a good thing for me. < now you are on the list of people not being on the list!
mircea_popescu: went to shit within the year.
mircea_popescu compulsively clicks on all the stuff b-a people put in chan.
mircea_popescu: "i was in the spelling bee!"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha wait, "i'm the soccer mom married to a fbi derp" "i was an anarchist" ? what else was the retard, a cheerleader ?
assbot: DI$RUPTIV3 on Twitter: "@danielpbarron Oh fuck you! Piss off you piece of shit I was an anarchist when you were jacking off to Hillary Duff Suck it! @BraveTheWorld" ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqJOy5 )
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:47:54; kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.
mircea_popescu: trinque quite. economic sanity is the cornerstone.
trinque: it's ever clearer to me that there can be no sanity apart from economic sanity, and that everything good outside bitcoin will rot in the sun meanwhile
BingoBoingo: <trinque> so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI? << iirc FBI tried the stealthy version of this around 2003 cleaned house quietly and FBI guy went full derp about it again around 2010
ascii_field: judging by the few snippets of his i read
mircea_popescu: i guess in the end very similar.
mircea_popescu: ocols, he incorrectly identifies it as "more of the same", goes through the word game, is suprised that this is a dead end.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:29:38; asciilifeform: re: pankkakeing: the basic process is, i think, that someone shows up here, plays for a while, then understands that rocket will not come, will not take him to mars. and leaves - unless he had some entirely other reason for sticking around, such as having become embroiled in actual projects with other people here.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254393 << mno. imo the basic process is, kid lived entire life in circumstances where a) there is cleavage between words and reality ; b) resources are allocated on the basis of group apartenence rather than factual merit ; c) group apartenence is a matter of saying the right words. upon meeting #b-a, which to his inept eyes has very ellaborately, formally structured prot
trinque blows on the mic
trinque: see, you don't have to be good at your "passion", it's just this vague focal point off in the glorious future somewhere
mircea_popescu: "what the fuck are you doing" "i'm just trying to..." "bend over."
ascii_field: 'there is no try' (tm) (r) ('star wars')
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter. look around. it's what white middle class twerps say when they're trying to talk their way out of shit.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what was it they 'tried to' ?
mircea_popescu has had for a while auto-lashing for saying the words "i'm trying to". one lash per instance. two bonus for adding any "just" in there.
mircea_popescu: but to answer cazalla : owing to a by now two decades' traditsion of middle class pushing its inept offspring to "pretend like you're doing something", there's millions of kids floating about with very good first line of answer to "so what are you doing". except if you inquire past that their choice is to either take off or admit they suck. generally, they take off.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:13:02; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254314 << laugh, but all of this has to be in some sense true, or the place would be indistinguishable from zimbabwe. i just looked out my window. i do not - yet - see zimbabwe. ergo some 'meta-' is in the mix.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254370 <<< mno. luck and "temporary disturbance" is the parsimonious explanation. for some short interval in a well chosen nigerian locaiton you could have pretended the same. then the oil bubble went awya.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:06:45; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ... the whole thing's a small nudge or ten away from people with guns realizing that cops hate getting shot at ... << important to distinguish city police (the folks presently getting shot at) from fed gendarmerie (alphabet soup) - the latter just ~love~ it, on account of it giving them an excuse to waco. all that armour, heavy weaponry, poison gas, flying machines that they've stockpiled,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254366 << "shot at" != killed. the point isn't to shoot at.
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 10:08:53; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254251 <<< it is funded by boost VC, that start up school where kid draper pisses away daddy draper's money on shit on awful ideas like zapchain itself and follow the coin.. boost VC pivoted to cover VR tech so zapchain is also covering VR these days as well!
trinque: I thought he was supposed to be the big mean dictator man of linux
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 16:41:03; mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this
trinque: I have to lay some of the blame for this starry-eyed world-changer vibe at the grave of Jobs
trinque: not communism but an american advertisement thereof
trinque: you imagine the amount of zoloft it takes for this chick to sound this positive about god knows what?
trinque: they've done this
trinque: gotta gas all the ad people.
punkman: (from their frontpage)
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck is gah
mircea_popescu: punkman what the shit has this stupoid "foundation" got to do with those 20 years
trinque: so when I switch to OpenBSD, they're going to announce their strategic partnership with the FBI?
punkman: "We believe collaboration can save the world" "When people have the tools and trust to collaborate on a massive scale, nearly any problem can be solved. Since its inception 20 years ago, Linux has become the most used software in the world."
mircea_popescu: and this idiot is putting up with it. why the everloving fuck would you do something like this
mircea_popescu: it IS, but i mean EXACTLY the bitcoin foundation.
ascii_field: 'the Linux Foundation kinda sorta slapped him on the wrist when they issued a new "Code of Conflict" policy that declared "personal insults or abuse are not welcome."'
assbot: Is the Linux Foundation trying to gag Linus Torvalds? | ITworld ... ( http://bit.ly/1JqD3fP )
ascii_field: http://www.itworld.com/article/2895396/is-the-linux-foundation-trying-to-gag-linus-torvalds.html << found this
mircea_popescu: wtf is with these people seriously.
mircea_popescu: trinque sorry, the flat batteries ran out.
trinque: put me back in the stasis pod til you finish dataflowputer
ascii_field: must be something like the bitcoin phoundation...
mircea_popescu: in what world is the population this fucking stupid i wish to know.
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with these people seriously.
mircea_popescu: why don't they come fuck the girls too, therefore saving me the trouble of washing my cock afterwards.
mircea_popescu: srsly. what the fuck!?
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 15:01:47; punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-08-2015#1254409 >>> i stopped reading at 'Many distributions have partnered with Microsoft to sign their released kernels with a key that is already recognized by most system manufacturers, therefore saving you the trouble of having to deal with key importing.'
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 13:46:12; davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?
punkman: https://github.com/lfit/itpol/blob/master/linux-workstation-security.md < "a set of recommendations used by the Linux Foundation for their systems administrators"
kakobrekla: prolly not so much 'not daring' than 'not having'. like in the majority of cases.
davout: asciilifeform: why would anyone connect to his own live btc the bot written by someone not daring to run it against its own stash?
cazalla: more australianisms.. no wonder the police force gets walked all over by a bunch of unemployed protesters https://twitter.com/nswpolice/status/636980440499253249/photo/1
cazalla: while conducting the menial labour day in, day out, i figured i have the best deal here in #b-a
asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this proggy !