asciilifeform: whatever else 'vory' might do, notice how they don't ever appear to build orbital launchers ?
asciilifeform: (orlov is somewhat fixated on them as 'ideal')
asciilifeform: i mean, i get it, mircea_popescu is with limonov in respecting the anonymous but honorable 'blatnoi' scum over korolev, who created modern rocketry while - yes - a slave
mircea_popescu: yet, to stay in the same anecdotal universe, whatever the шарашка proves about the fundamental worthlessness of "intellectuals", the vory/suka dispute prove that man is still not chimp.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, go, write "a lisp such that any other man would see the wisdom in it and b e able to use it to whatever purpoise without bothering to learn it, or even read his own code"
mircea_popescu: for all you know he picked from the wrong chimp country.
mircea_popescu: so no : i am not rawl's "any other man" and so very much less am i some derp's three dozen chimps.
mircea_popescu: and it is not about "the effects". it is abour social organisation, which is supposed to be a culturally normated activity.
asciilifeform: it is about effects of hunger, among other things. which affects pretty much all mammals similarly, no ?
asciilifeform: but if the experiment is about, say, effects of strontium-90
mircea_popescu: how do you figure chimps are representative ? why not go ask the ruminants of the fucking plains.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can conduct an experiment where i get together six poor africans, who then proceed to get drunk and be stupid, and say "lo! this is man" and you'll say "gtfo these niggers out of hewre, they're unrepresentative".
asciilifeform: how many ~are~ there now.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
phf: i have a very romantic view of guilds then, more like b-a, less then hacker news, but then i grew up on romantic literature
asciilifeform: phf: the modern-day successor of that is the unspoken gentleman's agreement among programmers to churn out mountains of shit that has to be 'maintained' at tremendous expense forever
mircea_popescu: historically various accidental constraints made the construction of one's ideas vulnerable, and he ended up sharing some part with the mob
mircea_popescu: and so everythiong the common man has must be taken from him, right now.
mircea_popescu: for everything the common man "has" is a) not his good property and b) acquired by him through some osrt of redistribution or other
asciilifeform: today, the apes are nesting in man's burned-out skyscrapers, approximately.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: appreciate, there was no way to make lispmachine cheap in 1978
mircea_popescu: it's not theft, it's god's own repossession.
mircea_popescu: "bitcoin started with unnamed guy, then essentially vanished. except contemporary idiots using "blockchain technologies""
asciilifeform: like the visigoths broke apart roman mosaics
asciilifeform: except that modern-day idiots use the broken-off pieces of it in everything.
asciilifeform: then essentially vanished.
asciilifeform: the lisp thing (goes far beyond a style of programming language, but concepts like dynamic type and garbage collection and a number of other concepts) started at stanford under mccarthy himself, then mit 'project mac' (nothing to do with apple), then mit ai lab and 'lispmachine'
mircea_popescu: well so from whiom then
mircea_popescu: it's either continued or unextant.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:33:16; ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255554 << from what i've been told, the common problem of all 'handlebar-less segway' machines is the muscle strain from the constant effort involved in not falling off the thing while tilting it to steer
asciilifeform: trinque: sense of humour, but vga was hardly even a thing yet (certainly in the east)
trinque: lol, I'd assumed the book was published somewhere with a sense of humor
asciilifeform: ^ not in the book. a very clean photochop gag, aha
asciilifeform: gotta understand that wolfram is a great (in the sense of edison) plagiarist
asciilifeform: he hated it so much that when he understood that there is no escape from it if you want a sane and fully expressive programming system, he gave it a thick spraypaint coat to hide it
asciilifeform: phf: aha. this is discussed in the logs
phf: mathematica is basically lisp written by a person who understood lisp, but hated lisp
asciilifeform: (for folks who never suffered the misfortune of getting involved with ipNohe - if you want your proggy to have a ui, and actually execute, much less get past the censors - you have to write at least a large chunk of it in next^H^H^Hcrapple's abortion of a c-with-classes)
ben_vulpes: why mathematica?!
asciilifeform: you're stuck with the imposed retardation
trinque: and then really, if you're dealing in the modern software "market", wtf is CLIM on an iPhone?
asciilifeform: so i ended up thinking 'if i'm stuck with a $maxint system where i can't hold a conversation with civilians because no one else has the runtime, may as well requisition 'mathematica'...' - so i did
asciilifeform: trinque: i more or less broke my brain against the wall years ago trying to make clim run decently under modern unixen
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: just doesn't understand How The Werld Werks (tm)
trinque: and I've postponed working on that thinger indefinitely, reviewing the literature :p
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: y'know, you don't have to make the 'people' write programs. could send them to, e.g., make you coffee, while you write commonlisp
ben_vulpes: it is a very useful contract for writing code with other beebul!
ben_vulpes: what do you have against the delegateHoldingMyHandWhileComplexThingsHappenThatNeedToCallTheSystemStateMachineWithSpecificInformation pattern, eh?
asciilifeform: (for non-programmers: just about every language, other than lisp-family, has repeated chunks of boilerplate that programmers end up forced to memorize, and litter their work with. these are sometimes called 'design patterns')
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'macros' (in the lisp-family sense, because they DEMAND homoiconic language, and there are no others) exist to shoot 'design patterns' in the head
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:44:04; ben_vulpes: regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made".
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255557 << the correct use of lispmacro is, as any other notation, to maximally orthogonalize the system
mircea_popescu: intuitive impression to the contrary notwithstanding, values do not contain their own definition.
asciilifeform digs in logs, but fails to turn up, the discussion of typing
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:26:00; mircea_popescu: in point of fact, if the writing part's the big problem, one's clearly not thinking enough.
mircea_popescu: if i want you to set a vector to "4" do i mean 4.0, 4.0, 4.0 ? do i mean 4.0, 0.0, 0.0 ie the 1st invariant ? do i mean 4.0, 1.0, 1.0 ie the 2nd invariant ? do i simply mean 4.0, normal, normal ? what normal ?
assbot: Logged on 07-02-2015 02:20:39; the_scourge: 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na < funny, that's one of t
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 17:24:20; trinque: I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person
trinque: and the value would be an expression to evaluate
mircea_popescu: seems to me by the time i dun know anymore how to fill the something with water i have a problem more serious in there.
trinque: setf seems like an example of a good macro, where the general notion of "set the thing, whatever it is, to this value" is expanded to whatever the appropriate way to set that thing is
ben_vulpes: regarding graham, the focus on macros in his (published) work puts me off a bit. "look at the monstrous edifice of complexity i can hold within my mind!" instead of "look at this useful and easily fit-into-head thing i made".
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/2TdG78uXT2pyk3ybO7BUOTXA_500.jpg << and the panties were thrown.
ben_vulpes: when i go full scammatronics vc bezzle the office campus will be navigated with 'solowheel' 'orbits'
mircea_popescu: for the record, /me holds the above way above theft and rape. it is the sort of intellectual dishonesty that should result in being drawn and quartered.
mircea_popescu: http://41.media.tumblr.com/BCFVP7xlb2slk8hgr2iraZVi_500.jpgbecause CLEARLY they'd have her keep paties on. man those bugs climing abound on one's thighs is such horror.
trinque: ben_vulpes: not really a speedup; I've just moved common emacs operations towards the middle of the keyboard
mircea_popescu: in point of fact, if the writing part's the big problem, one's clearly not thinking enough.
mircea_popescu: really, alf proposed a half truth when he said that if handling the mechanics of signing are the major time eater, one's clearly not doing enough work with the patches.
trinque: just a matter of staying off the modifier keys; I use space as leader and various sequences of keys from there, usually involving index and middle fingers
ben_vulpes: as it is, the bulk of my time is spent performing archaeology.
trinque: I enjoy the use of my hands
trinque: I have no idea who thought these emacs "chords" were a good thing, but fuck that person
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 14:21:49; mircea_popescu: and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano. then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255342 << why not less, then, if we're not editing things.
mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1093/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-in/#c4967 << lmao these derps still gonzoing around bitbet comments
mircea_popescu: the practical options are conflict or collapse.
trinque: even more extreme in other species
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 12:16:01; mats: http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately
trinque: I suppose its obvious, but it points to an inherent conflict between the sexes.
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mircea_popescu: i suppose the standard is "someone"
trinque: naturally they would, though what's sensible with a narrow view may be insane from a broader perspective
mircea_popescu: well it is also in what a government of women would hold (and in those countries which do allow such nonsense, do hold) as reckless disregard of their litter.
trinque: I wasn't, but I see the sense in it.
mircea_popescu: trinque you familiar with the "psychotic" observation of poincarre (the president, not the other one) that "universal lack of suffering may never be a policy goal, for the simplest means to effect it would be simply killing everyone" ?
mircea_popescu: i'd rather expect it's "a reckless disregard of life and property".
trinque: does this "psychoticism" mean something like willingness to act *upon* a person or *through* them?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, re the constant empress cixi references : the esteemed duke of wellington also contributed "Depend upon it, Sir, nothing will come of them!"
mircea_popescu: fortunately the point is exactly that bitcoin doesn't work like that.
mircea_popescu: ". In the same way that the people who used to use BBS systems in small numbers that are dwarfed by the number of internet users, Bitcoin will undergo a similar transformation, with similar beneficial effects, only this time, penetrating more deeply into society at every level than what is simple net access today."
diana_coman: lolz, I guess if I am, then I will, won't I?
mircea_popescu: diana_coman so are you making another ?
mircea_popescu: and they don't have to learn about santa and the guy in the sky. they will, sure, if that's what you wanna tell me.
diana_coman: but that doesn't mean that you *have* to speak gibberish to them
diana_coman: yes, but more than that, they are actually curious (as far as I can tell and not only based on mine) and enjoy something new - they don't care about the level really, so it's more a matter of what the other people can "feed" them really
mircea_popescu: children, inasmuch as they're yours, expect exactly what they're getting and will be equally thankful for it, which is why a six year old is happy whether poor african or rich swede, just as long as he's with his mother.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 15:24:37; mircea_popescu: rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255432 << considering that this works just as perceptibly on the fathers, it is probably an effect of hanging out with children
diana_coman: fwiw children actually enjoy even graph theory (if explained on train track sets) so no, it's not as if one has to really dumb down necessarily just for being with them
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i do that all the time anyway.
diana_coman: oh, the first days/weeks or so yeah, hormones all over the place and funny stuff (such as forgetting why I went to a room or another or stuff like that)
diana_coman: but not sure why/how/whether that shock really is about brain matter shrinking or something
mircea_popescu: rearing children is perhaps not so unlike going to reeducation camp for a few years. it "didn't work" on a. solzhenitsyn. it DID work, obviously, on all the schmucks he knows by name but you do not. so...
diana_coman: and no, I don't spend my whole day in a room with small children (and even when I do play with the lo, I find myself quickly ending up basically explaining graph theory on his train set/track or something other - not out of some idea that it will make him a genius, but out of boredom, yes)
asciilifeform: the last time this came up
diana_coman: asciilifeform> don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning <- interesting theory, as a mother of a 3yo I can say that the only way I can see that work is mainly due perhaps to sleep deprivation
asciilifeform: but the point remains, that microscope does not benefit from use as hammer.
mircea_popescu: the former's sane, the later's of the same ilk as children going to bed in their favourite clothes
mircea_popescu: there's a difference between wanting to use your brain as a general thing,
asciilifeform: this incidentally is behind 'thinking people want to ~use~ their brains' which mircea_popescu counted as a sin
asciilifeform: can't say whether it is a biological effect or simply the matter of being in a room with small children entire day
asciilifeform: ask them.
asciilifeform: don't discount the iq hit apparently imposed by spawning
mircea_popescu: i guess the formula probably is, "the predominance of women best suited for housewifing equals the unit divided by the maximal litter of a woman"
mircea_popescu: which is why i went 15% either side of 1
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255216 << the scheme pictured isn't terribly useful for the same reason that dirigibles are difficult to fly.
asciilifeform: grind the gaussian.
mircea_popescu: it is rare, yes. look at the normal distribution, between say 88 and maybe 75 you get what, 4% of the population ?
asciilifeform: from experience with the usual boring specimens of humanity one encounters on the street, in trains, lifts, jury box
mircea_popescu: in the sense that her brain works.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the model breaks down on low states. which is why the housewife is such a problem for your approach : she's hot alright.
mircea_popescu: rather than "curing"
asciilifeform: sorta like you can't have chemistry, in the customary electroweak-force sense, happen on the surface of a star.
asciilifeform: from my point of view, proper 'insane' is when someone is so 'hot' that his mind has trouble sticking even to... arithmetic, cause-and-effect, and other knobs of the physical world we live in.
asciilifeform: housewife 'adheres to the mob', yes. but the trait in question (or rather lack thereof) is the ~why~
mircea_popescu: a housewife is exactly that : someone completely adherent to the mob. so much so she can spend all her time with children and not care.
asciilifeform: 'insane' is necessarily a judgement made by the mob
mircea_popescu: that most creative people throughout the ages would prefer to pretend "they're insane" rather than make plain their complete inadherence to the mob is readily understandable
asciilifeform: turn it all the way down - you get a housewife
mircea_popescu: i see little more at work than utter contempt for "fellow man" in the common sense this is given.
asciilifeform: he pictured originality in thought as something like the 'temperature' in a simulated-annealing
assbot: Logged on 08-07-2015 19:34:29; ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
mircea_popescu: but what then ?
mircea_popescu: i write the occasional bit of poetry/literature, and i don't either regard it as some sort of gain or myself as insane (for it)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: art is +ev in the artist's diseased head. which is why insanity is a must.
mircea_popescu: so there's a number of different problems with this "ev activity" line of reasoning.
mircea_popescu: that's the test.
mircea_popescu: this is what being intelligent means : the more intelligent you are, the less often you get more than what you put into things.
mircea_popescu: and re vi - whatever!!1 i used it for years. nowadays i find i mostly use nano. then again nowadays i mostly read other people's reports.
asciilifeform: today, some degree of lunacy is almost a basic bar for being willing to touch the cursed machine in the first place.
mircea_popescu: in computing (the actual kind) the record's not as bad as in most other disciplines.
mircea_popescu: the list of sane folks in logic is impressive.
mircea_popescu: not that i'm persuaded, but one can't not notice the coincidence.
mircea_popescu: maybe you're right, and it's incidentals. or maybe lisp to the young mind is like meth-lsd
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2014 21:40:36; *: asciilifeform had a dream many years ago that his grandfather took an ancient grinding wheel from workshop, turned it upside-down, and taught him to ride it. and now people actually do something quite like this.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 12:16:01; mats: http://www.gliderzz.com I have been seeing these around a lot lately
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: graham is an illustration of something else: the corrosive effect of taking scam-money, regardless of the purpose, on intellectual honesty and in turn intelligence itself
punkman: asciilifeform: he had his own lisp and I think he published the code that ran HN at some point
mircea_popescu: this "take one side of the story and run with it" is speciufic of ambitious if none too bright 15 yo boys.
mircea_popescu: 2) graham spent his mind on thinking about lisp, ended up a 60 yo too fucktarded to understand even the most basic points of math.
mircea_popescu: 1) naggum spent his mind on thinking about lisp, ended up a 40year old too fucktarded to get out of the rain. this is literally what happened, and one will have a lot of trouble talking around the failure of some guy to avoid dying of perforated ulcer.
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 13:57:20; mircea_popescu: i thought graham was supposed to be a competent old lisp hand. is this the brainrot lisp instills in people ?
mircea_popescu: i never knew the russians to be czech minded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255266 << sadly my copy of the book has a blank screen...
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, dulap is still ~50 blox behind
mircea_popescu: Now suppose you're so un-rapacious that you only extract half as much from your users as you could. That means two years later you'll be making $80k a month instead of $160k. How far behind are you? How long will it take to catch up with where you'd have been if you were extracting every penny? A mere 15 weeks. After two years, the un-rapacious founder is only 3.5 months behind the rapacious one."
mircea_popescu: i thought graham was supposed to be a competent old lisp hand. is this the brainrot lisp instills in people ?
mircea_popescu: p, and when anything grows at the rate of a successful startup, the Y axis will take care of itself."
mircea_popescu: "I told him not to worry about it, because so long as he built something good enough to spread by word of mouth, he'd have a hyperlinear growth curve. If he was bad at extracting money from people, at worst this curve would be some constant multiple less than 1 of what it might have been. But a constant multiple of any curve is exactly the same shape. The numbers on the Y axis are smaller, but the curve is just as stee
mircea_popescu: /0xfe6404ba34ea4c30538ff4d058f4bf883220fd79 is the fucking aliens, how about that.
mircea_popescu: fucking monkeys already. so he fucks up, once by getting involved in a piece of shit scam, the other for sucking at math. and what he wants to know ain't "i wonder how i could be less fucktarded" at any point.
mircea_popescu: "So bummed right now, wonder who http://explorer.etherapps.info/address/0xfe6404ba34ea4c30538ff4d058f4bf883220fd79 is."
assbot: Logged on 29-08-2015 11:36:42; btcdrak: mircea_popescu: I know your views about XTcoin, but what are your views about raising the blocksize limit by proper technical consensus and released through Bitcoin Core?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255258 << what kako said, with the rider that the proposed thing carried exactly zero support by the people named.
kakobrekla: segway without the handle stick?
btcdrak: mircea_popescu: I know your views about XTcoin, but what are your views about raising the blocksize limit by proper technical consensus and released through Bitcoin Core?
punkman: "Mr. Ali noted the popularity of Facebook groups such as “Smuggle Yourself to Europe Without a Trafficker.”"
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punkman: Bingo_VACAY: did you get the job?
phf: asciilifeform: i thought dulap hosting was stateside. shame, tummy people are excellent at what they do
phf: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu et al: dulap rebooted today for no reason known to me. << if you start evaluating new hosting solutions, try these guys http://www.tummy.com. uptime on my box 529 days
phf: "what sort of information can a computer output to the monitor?" "oh, all kinds..."
trinque: translation of the caption?
phf: i forgot that event existed, probably got thrown out during the move, along with my copy of занимательная физика by perelman
mircea_popescu: i hated these as a kid
asciilifeform: http://royallib.com/read/zaretskiy_andrey/a_ya_bil_v_kompyuternom_gorode.html#204800 << skip to the 'encyclopaedic appendix' where the pics are.
mircea_popescu: are there chicks in iut ?
asciilifeform: the book, that is.
mircea_popescu: saw a 20 yo with the flipper arm today.
asciilifeform: can fit 3x if you saw off the beaks, aha.
asciilifeform: hilariously folks still discuss the situation in purely geometric or even thermodynamic terms
mircea_popescu never could have predicted the "should be enough for anyone" magic number really discusses "how manby people may be alive"
mircea_popescu: WHERE the actual cosmos is in this entire new "computer universe" never ceases to shock and amaze.
asciilifeform: sadly there appears to be a much smaller limit in practice
mircea_popescu: that's the true meaning of "4096"
asciilifeform: then multiple boxes and clever things with pairwise gcd.
mircea_popescu: sure but nevertheless
asciilifeform: not only does it not, but it absolutely impossible to do anything re: the running product having to be recalculated on warmup without 1) increasing complexity 25x 2) slowing down processing palpably
mircea_popescu: dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that doesn't actually benefit from periodic rebooting
mircea_popescu: dulap may be the latest piece of software in actual use that yeah
asciilifeform: who? the hoster?
mircea_popescu: i think the latter kids don't really grok this "don't reboot machine " thing
asciilifeform: phuctor is now in recalculatory limbo, and may be for weeks; and therealbitcoin node is in blackhole limbo
asciilifeform: i formally declare the hosting subcontractor to be a piece of shit
mircea_popescu: and the viking madchen of the 40s. http://40.media.tumblr.com/qoXAtsJnN46jpl344v9716wi_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: also in the news, the "gum wars" of the 80s. http://40.media.tumblr.com/RF2VdCBLi47dakvvoIKvQ6fh_500.jpg
mircea_popescu: "the man who really invented bitcoin" has a lot to explain re my cock up his throat.
mircea_popescu: like the scam foundation never pushed bfl and so forth.
mircea_popescu: there';s no dream like pipe dream.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ? << in a word, yes.
trinque: now it's "Get in there, you world-changer! Make your mark!" and piss on our every monument
trinque: I must've been one of a handful of USian kids in the last generation taught respect, if nothing else
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/527051/the-man-who-really-built-bitcoin/ << mind-bogglingly disrespectful to one of the greatest inventors in recent history
trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum.
ascii_field: (though i have cats orbiting the house)
ascii_field: the latter
thestringpuller: ascii_field: when you say pet you mean like a cat or significant other you are sometimes inside of?
ascii_field: wtf am i to do there.
ascii_field: not even trying to pretend otherwise, l0l
ascii_field: 'Organisations like PayPal, Wells Fargo, the US Department of Justice and leading technologists and investors were among the buyers of our first batch of tickets.'
ascii_field: that's the new usg catchword for 'bitcoin agrees to quietly kill itself because That Is How The World Works' ?
cazalla: cannot find it in logs, but whoever mentioned the coindesk pop up spam regarding their conference.. just read this tidbit "..For instance Coindesk putting on this event: it's funded by Citibank, the conventional financial industry, rather than purely libertarian, screw the government kind of thing."
ascii_field: i'd rather have uncle al's room temp supercon
ben_vulpes: girls resorted to passing each other notes out of boredom once we descended into the crystal structure.