asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you might want to put 'vdiff' in the footnotes on your article, as 'v' doesn't work without it; see http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-08-2015#1255918 for signed copy of 'vdiff'.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << reposted here.
asciilifeform: also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 08:30:08; trinque: neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257082 << i loathe python per se. but the only realistic alternative was perl. (my original attempts at 'v' were in awk/sed, and did not work very well)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << i expect a number of people will have this issue! turns out there are TWO gnupg call-out libs for python: 'gnupg' and 'python-gnupg'. i uses the latter. one of these was written by a human, and another is the same, taken by an imbecile who decided to carve his initials into it by changing field names. i do not know still which is which.
thestringpuller: hey pete_dushenski how goes fatherhood? :D
nanashi_: Also, I'm wondering if it is possible, that by monitoring "mempool" of BTC transactions, BitBet can anticipate that the bet address is to be used by a bettor, so be able to make it exempt from reclaiming the address.
nanashi_: During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding.
nanashi_: For example, it was reported (https://bitbet.us/bet/1153/btc-to-top-350-before-september/#c4934) that 0.1 BTC vote on yes with a fee of .00001 took 5 days until the first confirmation.
nanashi_: I have realized that "faq/#150" is potentially very dangerous to almost all bettors given the unpredictable "stress-testing" which might occur in the future.
nanashi_: Is there any remedial action due to the damage caused by the "stress-testing" which was occurring on the BTC network?
pete_dushenski: "These aren't naive amateurs; they are clever hackers who are willfully stealing for their own selfish gain. It’s a small group – 1/100 of a percent of our 59 million customers – but some of them are using as much as 2 terabytes (2,000GB!) of data in a month. I’m not sure what they are doing with it – stealing wireless access for their entire business, powering a small cloud servic
shinohai: She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy.
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/bitcoinpete/status/471340967954374657 << in case anyone can decipher these urls and make out a timestamp
pete_dushenski: of course, the tweet in question was sent from an account that's since been mothballed
pete_dushenski wonders if there'd be any action on a bitbet as to whether taleb shows up here in the next year
pete_dushenski: " Note that it costs only a few dollars a day for someone to zap systematically suspicious posters who have not participated on this page before." -herr taleb, apparently learning to deal better with trolls and other internet phenomena
pete_dushenski: "The free-market system has salient flaws and hidden benefits. All other systems have hidden flaws and salient benefits." -herr taleb
pete_dushenski: 'specially if you're on the wrong side of 50 a la taleb
pete_dushenski: even for bright folks, the noise can be deafening
punkman: you should sponsor a hackathon at the local kindergarten
fluffypony: I've been trying to recruit a 3-year-old from a few houses down, but the parents keep looking at me funny and taking their kid inside when I bring the paperwork for him to sign
fluffypony: punkman: some 14 year old kid, it's all a competition to see who has the youngest staff
punkman: who's the CTO of Fuckistania?
fluffypony: I'm currently the king of Fuckistania
shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/15-year-.old-developer-ethereum-whit-jackson/?utm_content=buffer6d5f4 <<< Kid looks like he is going for that Gavin look
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257025 <-- Declare your copy of the chain. Yes, I happen to be carrying ~all~ the bitcoins sir.
shinohai: http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-micropayments-faraday-freelance-market/ "Hey guys, we can still make pennies on the hour, but with BITCOIN!"
punkman: "It has around 75 staff looking into bitcoin and block chain at offices in Notting Hill and Old Street, close to the City of London."
punkman: ... "as it starts taking charity donations in the virtual currency"
trinque: neat that when looking at the "flow" of patches you can tell who has read the logs of the project by the signatures.
mats: the for else construct oughta be replaced with a list comprehension IMO, re: V-genesis
trinque: it uses urllib, but deep in the bowels
punkman: trinque: try adding a timeout in the urllib call
cazalla: Vexual, only in the temperature, apparently this winter was the coldest Melbourne has had in 26 years but spring is here tomorrow so who cares
trinque: maybe the python RSS guy needs a timeout; I'll mess with it
mircea_popescu: anyway, gents please read the V, in whatever place you might favour.
tripleslash: At the end of the day, Satoshi isn't around to continue to shepherd his project (at least by the satoshi name), so his original vision starts to lose relevance.
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, the original vision of the founding fathers folks are plainly innocent of the federalist papers.
tripleslash: there are about as many eye witness accounts of both
mircea_popescu: much like most that invoke the original vision of jesus.
tripleslash: I'd bet most that invoke the original vision of satoshi haven't even bothered to read his paper.
mircea_popescu: who actually went to the trouble of writing a letter specifically to diss xt and the two shitheads involved.
mircea_popescu: and the original vision of satoshi!
tripleslash: I love that that the rallying cry for XT is "But censorship!"
mircea_popescu: "yes, the forever anal love of your mom's worth well over $10k!"
punkman: I guess they might think that bitcoin comes in physical coins only
mircea_popescu: what could happen young padawan ? you were on the wrong side of history. again.
mircea_popescu: nothing about XT outside of "With 58+% of the miners voting for BIP100 and less than 1% voting for XT/BIP101. XT doesn't seem likely to happen (soon). What will happen now?"
tripleslash: Just nothing remarkable at the moment.
sexy_saffron: I often rely on the kindness of strangers ;)
gabriel_laddel: in any case, it tells me if I'm at all interested in the individual
gabriel_laddel: nah, more along the lines of "I'm a programmer" "orly, do you grok lisp? What the primary advantages that haskell's type system provides? Ada's test suite: comments?"
mircea_popescu: what's this, "you from new york, ever heard of joe also from new york" to the power of five ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: she is involved in the pornography industry in some capacity?
assbot: Logged on 23-07-2015 18:17:13; gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-07-2015#1209698 << I would pay for a video of Stoya reciting PURSUING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY + a few other Schwartz works while being fucked.
sexy_saffron: what's the difference between verify and everify?
sexy_saffron: ah ok, it did link me to a message, which decrypted looks like the authentication phrase
tripleslash: when you do the changekey, it'll either send you a pastebin that you need to decrypt or a otp that you need to encrypt.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell jurov what happened to the beautiful idea of NOT FUCKING MUTILATING FILENAMES ?!!!
sexy_saffron: it didn't ask me to sign anything, it just said successful, what's the next step?
tripleslash: sexy_saffron: [e]changekey is a two step process. You have to prove you have the private key.
sexy_saffron: yeah! I saw he did really well with his hedge fund during the first crash
gribble: User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul 4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user imsaguy to user sexy_saffron: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=imsaguy&dest=sexy_saffron | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=sexy_saffron | Rated since: Fri Jul (1 more message)
sexy_saffron: yep, is there a way to add my gpg key though?
gribble: User 'sexy_saffron', with keyid None, fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT, registered on Fri Jul 4 17:46:41 2014, last authed on Mon Aug 31 00:58:08 2015. http://b-otc.com/vg?nick=sexy_saffron . Currently authenticated from hostmask sexy_saffron_!42832f42@gateway/web/freenode/ip.66.131.47.66 . CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick.
sexy_saffron: I've been trying ;;eregister but it says the nick is already registered and to try another
mircea_popescu: i dun recall the syntax but it was pretty straightforward. maybe ;;eregister it was ?
sexy_saffron: so if I want to set up with the bitcoin-otc wot, do I need to redo everything on that channel?
sexy_saffron: loosely related, the reddit camgirls are starting to get really good at css :P
mircea_popescu: (incidentally - anyone looking to hire junior coders : hire at the strip club. about 10x better results than cs undergrad programme)
asciilifeform: the thing actually works.
mircea_popescu: who fucking knew that cli will become the bottleneck as i age ffs.
asciilifeform: feed it to a pet, then.
sexy_saffron: dennis and I like to play lan games together, like UT2003, minecraft, call of duty mw, our wow server
mircea_popescu: and then you could have a vote button, let the readers vote on whether you should be spanked or not for the review.
sexy_saffron: I suppose I could do gameplay vids on our private wow server, showing all the bugs :P
mircea_popescu: mats isn't this how us middle east politics have been playing out since the 50s ?
mircea_popescu: sexy_saffron http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/not-found/?nick=sexy_saffron < you'll be there tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: hey sexy_saffron how's the internet treatin' ya
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: to be determined, but for the meantime yes
gribble: Error: The "GPG" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "--list-keys" in it. Try "list GPG" to see the commands in the "GPG" plugin.
asciilifeform: in other nyooz,
mats: give assbot the fingerprint its asking for.
trinque: yup, assbot's the one for auth here.
gribble: You are now authenticated for user 'sexy_saffron' with address 1KGkZ1cAbsKH3rQNBoxe8N4KU9DBkfz1KT
trinque: at least so long as they're a problem for Syria, maybe
mats: and the referenced op ed by Ambassador Edelman http://nytimes.com/2015/08/27/opinion/americas-dangerous-bargain-with-turkey.html
assbot: Turkey duped the US, and Isis reaps rewards - Comment - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1NI1ZDE )
mats: http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/turkey-duped-the-us-and-isis-reaps-rewards-10478720.html
mircea_popescu: o yeah, in other news, eulora sold 1 btc worth at auction
deedbot-: [Trilema] One hundred million Eulora coins. Or in other words, one Bitcoin. - http://trilema.com/2015/one-hundred-million-eulora-coins-or-in-other-words-one-bitcoin/
asciilifeform: (and a pinch of complexity theory)
trinque: latest item collected on the quest for radio-passive living, foxtrotgps
mats: https://www.reddit.com/r/ReverseEngineering/comments/smf4u/reverser_wanting_to_develop_mathematically/c4fa6yl
mircea_popescu: the upside of bad memory. i enjoy reading trilema as much as anyone
mircea_popescu notices he forgot to add lecitin to the shopping list.
mircea_popescu: jus' sayin', the sort of mexicans coming into the us are filtered for worthlessness.
trinque: mircea_popescu: but what does the real motivation of mexicans entering the US have to do with the propaganda value of the fact that they are?
mats: the rfc defining pgp packets makes my brain hurt
mircea_popescu: mexicans are going north to get exactly out of the way of mexican men.
trinque: Christie's a fat Jersey moron without question. My observation is that where the "terrorism" tactic does not work, the "illegals are why you're poor" one will fill in nicely. The next obvious step is to combine them.
mircea_popescu: "He maintains that 40 percent of illegal immigrants with visas overstay their visits."
asciilifeform: while bezzleprinter still works, they can require 'donation' of 'extra' organs on entry and folks will come
trinque: seems they're going to get decent milage out of this "illegal immigrants" thing
trinque: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/30/us-usa-election-christie-idUSKCN0QZ0TA20150830 << Mass-surveillance is only for the (ever-expanding category of) bad guys, don't ya know?
mircea_popescu: perhaps on account of having either larger plums or smaller mounds.
asciilifeform: yer right it only has the italian soldier
mircea_popescu: just his equally bad one with the italian soldier
asciilifeform: funnily the ru translation (which i was reading last night) is 10x better
mircea_popescu: orwell is officially the worst poet ever. apricots, seriously ?
mircea_popescu: "But girl's bellies and apricots, Roach in a shaded stream, Horses, ducks in flight at dawn, All these are a dream."
asciilifeform: i would be genuinely astonished if the enemy were not focusing his effort on precisely this kind of poison
mircea_popescu: as it turns out it's entirely possible we'll have to kick this into high gear, specifically because of the poisoning concern you discuss.
asciilifeform: xt nodes, even when running 'on dead squirrel in cardboard box under the bed', may well be enough as a 'neutron absorber'
mircea_popescu: jurov i dunno, hanbot complained about her tx not going through, i look at the node she's talking to, it's there, i look at the network, it's not there.
asciilifeform: unsigned plaintext 'asks for rape' - in the abstract
jurov: but how did they figured this is one, i have nfi
jurov: maybe they started censoring eulora-related-txen , too
asciilifeform notices that it was already long there
mircea_popescu: lol. if you're using the stock scheme of logs, they dump like gpg dumps. only a portion
asciilifeform: [the sound of silence]
mircea_popescu: the very notion of "something unusual about txn" is smack drab in the conflict zone. wtf does this even mean.
asciilifeform: i don't suppose there is anything unusual about this tx ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not seeing any sign of it in the log...
mircea_popescu: but in summary it's an apparently valid tx that lingered in "unconfirmed, broadcast through 200 nodes" sort of state for half a day, bitcoin.info as the standard bearer of the enemy DOESNT list it, either in the mempool or in the rejected txn list, in spite of having received it nx, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform meanwhile there's a new bojum
trinque: of course social groups would self-select, or how are they a group?
asciilifeform: i've seen this called 'bush effect', after the re-election of bush II in '04. a crowd of people whined re: 'how did he win, i don't know anyone who voted for him'
asciilifeform: there are obscure piles of shit
asciilifeform: i don't personally know ~anyone~ who uses the 'official' version
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still same principle, and as historical accident, where i happened to notice the strange.
mircea_popescu: i'm sorta half-surprised they're not trying to sue me for using "an unauthorised wordpress fork" which doesn't have all the fucking holes.
asciilifeform: that'd be strictly www ddosen, rather than bitcoin etc., no ?
mircea_popescu: no. it is the redhat of blogs.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the makers of wordpress.
mircea_popescu: which is why and how everyone is "Careless" in the same exact manner.
mircea_popescu: the senders.
asciilifeform: as in, orifices for the cock
asciilifeform: for extra clarity: 'ddos sources' as in senders of the packets, or what is meant is 'ddos holes' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what in this case is 'coopted' ? even a tree stump can see that the buggers love to ddos
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 16:22:18; punkman: asciilifeform: it's the DoS protection right?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256545 << "ddos protection" being used so liberally to mask specifically nsa-ian idiocy strengthens my suspicion that "ddos" does not merely exist, but is in fact a coopted technologee. which is why fucking automattic ACTUASLLY PUTS IT IN DELIBERATELY.
mircea_popescu: EAR. worth nothing per year because the economy's dead."
mircea_popescu: how about "the incredible decay of the pound sterling, currently worth about 1/9000 of a pound sterling, has "Created" fictitious "millionaires" worth a thousand guineeas each. not PER Y
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 09:55:08; pete_dushenski: "It is not just property ownership that is creating more UK millionaires. While the TV game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? was axed in the UK in 2014, the National Lottery says it has created more than 3,900 individual millionaires since 1994.
mircea_popescu: it is the #1 thing you can do for your own well being.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i have no idea why the thing would disconnect for any reason other than what we discussed through the pool weighing
pete_dushenski: “Technically speaking, however you want to look at it, this was all my doing and I take full responsibility. You can’t f*** about with people, especially people who wear ‘I Heart Rape’ and ‘On Your Knees’ badges ... those motorcycle gangs, that’s what they do. You can’t paint yourself into a corner and then say whose brush is this? You have to take responsibility. I mean, I was naive.”
pete_dushenski: in other news, "Singer Chrissie Hynde has been criticised for saying it can be a woman’s fault if she is raped. The Pretenders star, 63, said she blamed herself for being forced to perform sexual acts under the threat of violence."
pete_dushenski: "An environmental scientist working for a Canadian government agency has been suspended and will be investigated for recording a protest song about the prime minister, Stephen Harper" << dole-guzzler shocked to discover that dole... can end.
punkman: asciilifeform: it's the DoS protection right?
asciilifeform: punkman: and, iirc, using 'connect' disables external listening and renders the thing useless as a public node
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu (corrected) dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims of wild animals to learn latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu dulap still behind; i had a thought that the very possibility of this problem is an atrocious idiocy - why should an infrastructural node (so0opernoude!!!) rely on the whims wild animals to lean latest blocks? we need the 'nobles'-never-disconnect table.
pete_dushenski: "Two interesting comments from Hulk Hogan -- he's NOT mad with the WWE for cutting ties with him over the N-word ... and says he wants to make America great again, by running with Donald Trump!!!!"
pete_dushenski: "it's not just all the printing of hollow paper promises that the boe and the fed have been indulging in for the past near-decade, it's once-in-a-lifetime strikes of lighting ! like finding out you have a long-lost rich uncle."
pete_dushenski: ^bwahaha. lest you think all the wealth is illusory !
pete_dushenski: "It is not just property ownership that is creating more UK millionaires. While the TV game show Who Wants to Be a Millionaire? was axed in the UK in 2014, the National Lottery says it has created more than 3,900 individual millionaires since 1994.
pete_dushenski: "The number of millionaires in the UK has shot up by 41% over the past five years, with one in 65 adults now classed as having a seven-figure fortune thanks to booming house prices and stock market gains." << y'all brits are rich, innit !
pete_dushenski: it's like, why join the band ?
assbot: Nick Littlehales: the man who showed Cristiano Ronaldo how to sleep | Russell Jackson | Football | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1JEmZIB )
pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/jul/23/nick-littlehales-the-man-who-taught-cristiano-ronaldo-how-to-sleep << coaches for training, eating, sport, why not sleeping ?
mircea_popescu: "no further need for cars"
pete_dushenski: couple $bn in the bank, brain left to rot
pete_dushenski: ’t seem like it got used as part of a botnet or as a proxy server. This new version is hosted on wordpress.com where I don’t have to worry about anything other than the content. Nice. I like this." << from persson's personal homepage
pete_dushenski: "The old notch.net domain was hosted on an amazon instance I managed myself. It was set up many many years ago, and I was very lazy about doing security or maintenance updates to it. A couple of weeks ago, it went down. I tried to log in, but my security credentials were no longer valid, so I assume it got hacked. Weirdly, the network logs showed very little data coming in or out after it went down, so it doesn
asciilifeform: either scrap, or piles of laserprint so tall and old that the toner unstuck and transferred to adjacent page randomly
asciilifeform: in other nyooz, dulap now behind by 'only' 32 blocks.
asciilifeform: children go in the middle niches, it looks like
asciilifeform: could fit two long, narrow dogs on the top.
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 04:03:54; *: ben_vulpes is having a blast nesting with the girl. today, we finished scaffolding the builtin to house the dog and spawngear: http://imgur.com/Z9iBUv3
ben_vulpes: plus, fun projects with the babe!
ben_vulpes: i'd be irate about all of this value evaporating as soon as i move out of this place, but it's saving me the cost of relocating to a larger apartment next year and the associated switching costs.
ben_vulpes: previously, lady v put up crushed foam panels on the ceiling, and i installed the seam and crown molding: http://imgur.com/yevDNKh
ben_vulpes: don't be chewing tacks over there.
ben_vulpes is having a blast nesting with the girl. today, we finished scaffolding the builtin to house the dog and spawngear: http://imgur.com/Z9iBUv3
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256426 << why, are you gonna do it? because thus far every single bit that involved serious surgery on therealbitcoin just sorta sat there until i did it.
asciilifeform: gotta love the key lock
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2015 02:29:22; mircea_popescu: im seriously not concerned. the thing designed, if implemented, will be fine.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-08-2015#1256413 << therein lies the boojum. implemented by whom? when ?
mircea_popescu: im seriously not concerned. the thing designed, if implemented, will be fine.
asciilifeform: there is also the part where a half-arsed node, when feeding a miner, leads to orphaning and going broke
mircea_popescu: not like this shiot's either novel or uncalculable.
mircea_popescu: you know, like the internet.,
asciilifeform: network - bitcoin. function - propagate blocks, transactions, as traditionally expected. load - sustained attack from every usg orc on the fucking planet, plus legitimate users.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/attachments/20150701/referenced_b2510447257f2b623fcf30cc4f0413a23f515b60.png << see this.
asciilifeform: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-July/000107.html << as displayed here.
asciilifeform: and the store-block-index-in-ram-at-all-times is also a no-go.
asciilifeform: but the 'infinite pile of tx until fills ram' is a no-go;
asciilifeform: now that libc is shot in the head, it builds ~and~ runs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the principal item missing is a sane txpool
mircea_popescu: but i reckon the whole shebang "here, do this this this" list is getting closer.
mircea_popescu: of course, the people trying to get that to work (davout, jurov, etc) aren't getting that much support yet.
mircea_popescu: but in any case : it's not clear we can't stick it in pogo. so... there is that.
mircea_popescu also wants to introduce by reference the discussion of "for honor" and slavegirks
mircea_popescu: you run that in your teenage hoisiery shop because that's what the teenage hussies want.
asciilifeform: has never fallen behind, spontaneously, by so much as one block (the one notable exception was the day when the db locks thing wedged ~every~ honest node)
asciilifeform: it is telling that, of my three therealbitcoin nodes, the only one which has not suffered an unexplained malfunction of any kind is the one which is where i can personally see it !!
asciilifeform: and there are people working on making running a node 10,000+ times more expensive....