asciilifeform: and - even aside from the winblowz, this actually matters. none of it will do general-purpose asynchronous logic, for instance.
asciilifeform: with the same 3 american vendors supplying it
asciilifeform: so far, EVERY SINGLE SI FAB ON THE PLANET and ALL THE DESIGN TOOLING (with the exception of chuck moore's...) runs on winblowz
phf: while china is playing catch up, you get a computing equivalent of wild west with areas where the control simply didn't have resources to manifest, as soon as u.s. stops driving chip design, china will start closing up same holes u.s. is in the process of closing up right now
asciilifeform: and even their cheap 'arm' cores are direct-licensed now, from britain.
phf: it's probably heinlein point, true freedom exists only at frontier, but because folk are preoccupied with practical things like "how to survive" rather then "my neighbor is smoking weed and ~gasp~ enjoying it"
punkman: they don't?
asciilifeform: they would, in fact, make exact copies of intel's crud (complete with nsa) -- if they could. (ever wonder why they do not?)
asciilifeform: they are not interested in it any more than usg is.
asciilifeform: re: 'nintendoized' cpu: folks who are counting on the chinese to 'carry the torch' of real computer, are fooling themselves
asciilifeform: in real world, 'telescreen' is not in every room but in every toilet stall, and people not only do not hide from it but pose for it, and complain about not enough resolution on the ccd.
phf: right, well, it's the whole 1984 vs brave new world
asciilifeform: on account of how you can't really write an engaging yarn about inhabitants of the real thing, as we have it
asciilifeform: this is because rms likely grew up on the usual 20th c. dystopian fictions where there is always folks struggling to escape, etc
phf: it's a common thread here, the whole rise of "open" as true openness disappears. to paraphrase snl skit, "our hardware is maker open - what does that mean? - not open"
asciilifeform: unless mircea_popescu pulls a cpu fab out of his shirt pocket, there is nothing preventing this disease from progressing.
asciilifeform: that you can run on the nintendoized cpu.
asciilifeform: no one is banning linux. instead there is a 'linux foundation' (see log) which will sign 'legit, non-terrorist' kernels for you
asciilifeform: it was naive of rms & co. to predict 'microshit will ban linux' in '01 or whenever the 'palladium' thing started going
asciilifeform: young people already make a face of disbelief if you tell'em that when you were a boy it was routine to modify the asm routines of your os directly, or bypass them entirely
asciilifeform: general-purpose programmable computer is far more feared by usg than the most powerful dynamite.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 17:49:55; ascii_field: trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in
asciilifeform: 'slave has no business doing what is not on the menu'
asciilifeform: and prolly six other common pharmacy items i can't recall immediately.
phf: seems like it's the same in pharmacology
asciilifeform: much of the 'progress' in common household chem in the past few decades focused on making things less... repurposable
punkman: I never mixed the thing myself, but I saw a kid make a pretty big fireball once
asciilifeform: heavy on the perfumes and dyes, light on items-which-actually-dissolve-things
asciilifeform: punkman: usually it is either ammonia, or enzymatic detergent crud
punkman: asciilifeform: and hydrochloric acid in the bathroom cleaning materials
asciilifeform: punkman: point being that boy finds vinegar in mother's kitchen
phf: oh man, i think we would build another version of "metal pipe + match shavings" every other summer
punkman made crappy gunpowder with other kids, nobody was maimed
mod6: i've kinda heard this too - you buy a word from them that hits on certain brain based reactions. something like that.
phf: growing up on a dacha i remember putting quicklime (calcium oxide) into sealed containers with water. one time a friend of mine got his vein opened with glass shrapnel, my grandfather drove him to a hospital and that was the extent of drama, no national news, no "dangers of quicklime", no concerned mothers calling for bans
mod6: Will work through some more of this tomorrow after I get the SoBA out.
mod6: asciilifeform: I took a look at v99 just briefly, so far, looks good. I dropped in my sigs from http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000158.html into ~/.seals along with the sigs/*.sig files that it comes with and I was able to genereate the following: http://dpaste.com/198XBTF.txt
ascii_field: who cares where they come down!
ben_vulpes: why i find this amusing is left as an exercise to the logreader.
ben_vulpes: you overestimate my familiarity with the 'art'
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: if you are expert with the language, do not hesitate to simplify routines / fix oddities of whatever kind, and post signed revisions...
ben_vulpes: "Memoize" means to store in memory during the course of a run?
kakobrekla: then jurov comes and just clicks approve on everything.
kakobrekla: occasionally i check the buffer and remove the bad ones, the good ones get re-read the next time and when i feel strongly enough about the one waiting the longest i approve a batch, as deep as it goes
ascii_field: are there 'professional awkistas' ?
ascii_field: and i shudder to think of 'professional pythonistas' and what they do.
mircea_popescu: you kidding there's so many tarsal flexors involved
mircea_popescu: but alf! it takes 85 muscles to hate and only 1 to take it up the as!
ascii_field: i fucking hate the language.
mircea_popescu: (the driver of inflation is the circumstance that in any economy, the monetary value of circulating capital and the monetary value of goods sit in a certain, fixed proportion)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ? << fixed link was living in: (text)
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: tried the thing yet ?
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: didja ship 99K with the 100K version string still in or am i misunderstanding something?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257703 << bone's /rather/ close to the surface there.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 21:44:12; trinque: shinohai: glorious... and then I notice the buttcrack tattoo
pete_dushenski: the 'today of...' lead in eh
trinque: Today on Foreskins of the Republic!
trinque: suggestion: s/Concern was raised of the BIP-101 syndicate when many of their VCs overlapped./That many in the BIP-101 syndicate share VCs is ample cause for concern./
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller "can be viewed here" << missing link ?
pete_dushenski: " Qntra earlier reported Pierce, replaced Vessennes' as chairman of the now defunct Bitcoin Fundation (note for editor: find something to call it so it's not confused with the real bitcoin) back in April," << calling all cars to the scene
trinque: ascii_field: does make me wonder if the thing's something like "and don't make us come for the rest of it!"
pete_dushenski: the whole point of this b-a/bitcoin experiment is to shoot the fun people in the heads with their own no-so-funny bullets, neh
pete_dushenski: what am i, the fun police ?
pete_dushenski: let the little dude have his fun !
mircea_popescu: prolly fore the best.
pete_dushenski: "On Feb. 28, Jen Henderson, 23, became the sole registered voter living within the community improvement district, or CID, meaning she is the only person who would vote on a half-cent sales tax increase for the district."
trinque: glorious figure; no faulting her there
trinque: yeah otherwise indecent huh?
mircea_popescu: trinque the tattoo is not as much of a problem as the bs string. "really needed" because omg
mircea_popescu: boots 50%^H^H40^H^H18%!!!! faster than anything else. including the things that boot 100x less frequently./
trinque: ^ openrc is damned fast, for whatever that matters, the boot-per-week or something I do
mircea_popescu: trinque> well hell, that CoreOS << /me can not help but notice the "core" symbol.
jurov: KEEP THE EARTH WET AT ALL TIMES
jurov: registry is already there (via gnome)
trinque: no one can stop the run-away shitification
punkman: "A demonstration of the D-Bus problem is the recent Jeep hack by researchers Charlie Miller and Chris Valasek. The root problem was that D-Bus was openly (without authentication) accessible from the Internet."
trinque: and dbus was in the jeep?!
trinque: oh is that how they got in?
trinque: and really shouldn't the pipe be reimplemented to use dbus?
jurov: and the x popup is spiffy. 'cuz xterminal can't be trusted with passwords
jurov: Connected to the local host. Press ^] three times within 1s to exit session.
assbot: Lennart Poettering merged “su” command replacement into systemd: Test Drive on Fedora Rawhide | The Linux Homefront Project ... ( http://bit.ly/1EwE871 )
jurov: thestringpuller: who do you mean by "you"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 07:47:23; mats: fun fact: The x86 BCD instructions have undocumented support for other bases.
mircea_popescu: which "archive" now says, "We are working hard to fix all the missing resources at Digital Inspiration. If you need anything urgent, please send me an email at amit@labnol.org."
mats: he does. he devised the construct in C for specific jump calls, and it was adapted into python iirc
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257323 << the 'else' keyword in the 'for else' python construct
assbot: Logged on 03-04-2015 19:50:10; asciilifeform: my grandfather had a dacha. it did not come with a toilet, so he built one. outhouse thing, but with an actual toilet that flushed instead of the customary shit pit. this is relevant, because:
ascii_field: actual rich folks houses stand there now.
ascii_field: i recently 'google street'-ed the spot where it stood. neither it nor any of the neighbouring cottages remain
ascii_field: it paid for the plane tickets, even.
mircea_popescu: "but who comes from a country where they own a pony to a non-pony owning country!"
ascii_field: my brother made every major type of explosive (in small pieces), we set'em off in little vials buried in the ground at summer house.
mircea_popescu: point being, the two options are either the tyranny of the many against the few, or the tyranny of the few against the many.
trinque: perhaps that's overly broad. I understand there to have been a time where one could experiment with radio equipment or do chemistry in their garage without being arrested.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea. but yes you're not the only one noticing this
trinque: I have a pile of tp-links; they're ok
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 16:34:16; mike_c: that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat
jurov: since i happen to manage an email server already, if anyone in the wot is interested, can set up imap box
trinque: yeah, I'll admit it's a pain in the ass
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 16:27:30; pete_dushenski: jurov: b-a pretty much lit the fuse for his conception, at least or so i theorise
shinohai: No jurov I actually bothered to make 2 xD
assbot: Let's address some of the more common pseudo-arguments raised by the very stupid people that like the Gavin scamcoin proposal on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NJeUVD )
mircea_popescu: what i said when i opened this entire dispute, specifically, http://trilema.com/2015/lets-address-some-of-the-more-common-pseudo-arguments-raised-by-the-very-stupid-people-that-like-the-gavin-scamcoin-proposal/#selection-31.0-31.247 stands.
ascii_field: can't wait for the usg yottahash mining farm where you need a signature from hitler to get your tx baked into block
ascii_field: 'These companies are genuinely trying to do things right, to protect their customers, and prevent their businesses from facilitating criminal activity. We're proud to provide the KYC, fraud prevention, and monitoring technologies these businesses use to identify and prevent suspicious activity, as part of their AML program to comply with U.S. and international regulations.' << l0l!!
deedbot-: [Qntra] Small Mining Firm Takes Regulatory Compliance Pill, Moves to the Dark Side - http://qntra.net/2015/08/small-mining-firm-takes-regulatory-compliance-pill-moves-to-the-dark-side/
mircea_popescu: was more talking about the cauise where you want half of x's patches.
mircea_popescu: enforce the right balance between "keep updated!!11" and "fucking fork already" by default.
mircea_popescu: and if one's not happy with this arrangement, one should RESTATE what interests them, under their own sig.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 14:36:31; asciilifeform: also there is no selectability of wot or patch subsets, other than by specifying --wot customdir or same for patches, containing desired subset
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257194 << re this, it might actually be a wise default to have "all or nothing". either you trust this person and follow their changes or you do not and follow none.
mircea_popescu: and so they can fix it.
ascii_field: (it is possible to live without them, yes. but folks who try to display a broken flow graph will see ???)
ascii_field: well yes. but i put it in for a reason, because there are several things which i consider important which presently do not work correctly.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 14:35:22; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257088 << i don't know why mircea_popescu snipped out the comment with the 'todo' list, but one of the items in it was handling of broken chains. and of errors in general.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257192 << because todo lists are private matters. let thje interested make their own todo lists.
mircea_popescu: AND.THEY.SUCK.
mircea_popescu: now it's 1200 a day. and all that chewing paste and toothgum is there because they run the fucking bots in java
ascii_field: 1200+ trips in one day, recently, according to the birdcage liner
trinque: isn't that like these "circuit breakers" at stock exchanges?
mircea_popescu: maybe i should stop being such a terrorist "destabilizing the situation"
trinque expects that his desire to be radio-silent must look terrorist-y to some moron, if he bothered to look
mircea_popescu is suddenly reminded of romania of the 80s
mircea_popescu: they just "have" health insurance.
ascii_field: which is that there is nowhere near enough capacity for 1% of what was actually bought
jurov: mircea_popescu: noticed the mpex orders were published, it's safe to resume everything?
ascii_field: if used, suddenly the bezzle is revealed
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would you want to PREVENT people from using things
ascii_field: trinque: the cap is largely to keep folks from doing things like controlling model airplanes with'em
trinque: I called american messaging about a pager... 400 message limit a month then overage, but at least they are up-front about it
mircea_popescu: punkman obviously the people in question left a tracker on continuously.
ascii_field: it is the inevitable fate of kolhoz: when thing is 'free' and shared, suddenly there are 'hogs' and 'freeloaders' and 'decent people'
ascii_field: understanding being that there is nothing bandwidth-heavy to do on a pocket phone
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> t-mobile ~specifically~ pushes itself as 'we don't have a tonnage limit!!111' << This they advertise X speed for first Y transfer and after that max tonnage at best effort speed
trinque: mircea_popescu: they worm around it with "up to x Mbps"
trinque: point is words don't mean shit, and the rules are intentionally arbitrary because "fuck you"
ascii_field: the 'unlimited' refers to bulk tonnage
trinque: they also make claims about LTE speed
mircea_popescu: i thought they advertised 20 MBps like my provider in ro or something specific.
mircea_popescu: if they do, i taker it back.
mircea_popescu: they actually advertise unlimited ?
ascii_field: the fraud isn't that they won't give out free bandwidth, but insist on advertising 'unlimited' while in practice entirely opposite
ascii_field: standard bezzlatronic reaction to Evil Witches finding some trick for using their dollarz, which were given to them to real-estate-bubblate, to illicitly buy actual solid turkeys
ascii_field: ^ i read their faq thing, very precious. it made me recall the last footnote in mircea_popescu's 'new software license' article
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257165 << unclear what business t mobile has on the internet then.
BingoBoingo: Apparently wifi rules was pushed out in March? Why suddenly panic now and not then?
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 13:33:07; shinohai: She is the closest thing to smart and sexy I have found in camgirlworld. Some of the reddit sellers are pretty saavy.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << possibly also this set of example
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257128 << did you use the wrong package, ie the one alf warned will blow up ?
mircea_popescu ties up alf to a chair while he reads the logs.
mircea_popescu: there.
mircea_popescu: can i has reading the log at my own pace onoes!
assbot: Logged on 22-10-2014 18:52:16; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> how to do signed commits << the barbarian way. everyone who read a patch file (yes) and is willing to sign under it, signs. this gets posted. whoever wants, can apply the patches to get a merged turdball. << i think this is exactly how it should go.
mircea_popescu: the concept of "who pissed in chlorine first" is very much different from the concept of "who knows how to make never gas"
trinque: well here's something, not having one "working dir" concept, but rather "fart out any chain of patches wherever you like" is exactly right
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: my point was precisely that it is a spurious distinction, and that i do not make it in the system; and that anyone who wants to try to be remembered as the first one to pen a particular patch had better deedbot his signature
mircea_popescu: explain the concept to me in general.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the only timestamps worth anything are deedbot's
mircea_popescu: aww shit did i blow the embargoo ?
trinque: I think releases are the same thing, just point from elsewhere to designate a release
ascii_field: see the discussion of pgp key timestamps some months back
trinque: ^ certain things are a fine task for some other program
ascii_field: trinque, mircea_popescu, et al: there is another fine point re: 'v' that i'm a little surprised nobody asked about. how it does not distinguish signers from authors. it does not do this because it is physically impossible, other than via deedbot etc., and i am not in the business of promising the impossible.
assbot: Logged on 31-08-2015 11:20:07; fluffypony: what's the point of titles if they're meaningless
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257124 << but you could be Pony, the CEO of Fluff, a new start-up passionate about changing the world!
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller she also doesn't matter anymore, used to 5 years ago.
mircea_popescu: in other words, plenty of space to contribute.
ascii_field: trinque: i must dourly remind you that what you read was a very hasty and rough piece of work, that needs heavy work - particularly simplification of the graph walker
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-08-2015#1257115 << srsly, she's just some random teenager. interesting for the people who like to [fantasize about] fucking teenagers for as long as she's a teenager.
mircea_popescu: fuck the end user with a pointed stick.
mircea_popescu: yeah. for the dumb "user".
mircea_popescu: trinque sounds like someone from 2030 who discovered that yes the web runs on urls.
trinque: The data-structure's *the thing*, and there's nothing obscuring it. Seeing it done that way, obviously it's the right way to do it.
mircea_popescu: what the ef.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this really calls for debug instrumentation that the node in question does not presently have
mircea_popescu: so they gotta be shot.
shinohai: I must move from the US and expatriate if DD-WRT is outlawed.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this mean, "unacceptable modified firmware". it's not fucking firmware to begin iwith
ascii_field: 'The FCC specifically cites DD-WRT as an unacceptable modified firmware.'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell nanashi_ there isn't any remedial for anything. bitcoin payments are entirely the responsibility of the payer. that's what "be your own banker" means.
trinque: I hear they're putting chemicals in food
ascii_field: preventing the firmware from operating the device outside of permitted ranges, the device still needs to comply with firmware security.'
ascii_field: 'Actually, this applies to the whole device. The article is wrong that it only applies to the radio. If the device contain a radio capable of acting in the 5GHz band, then firmware Control must be secured for the whole device, even if the parameters for the wireless Communication is locked in hardware. Note that even if you as a device manufacturer can certify in point 2 that the radio itself do contain hardware locks
ascii_field: i suspect that they are specifically working on abolishing esp8266, etc
trinque: I chucked a bit to see that they specifically mention DD-WRT, but I'm not that surprised
ascii_field: trinque: it is about more than wifi in particular, but the entire box it happens to be installed in
trinque: shinohai: so fuck their "wifi"
BingoBoingo: <nanashi_> During an emergency like "stress-testing," I'd like to see a remedial measure which extends the 3-day window to something like 7-day window, or as a last resort, a manual inquiry for refunding. << SOmetime on Day 2 double spend the coins with a higher fee so the miners want it.
mike_c: well mazeltov and enjoy. they don't stay small long.
mike_c: that's always a dangerous posture when the baby wakes up and decides to eat
pete_dushenski: he's lucky that he looks very little like his dad then !
mike_c: hehe. well the *baby* is very cute :)
pete_dushenski: "This isn’t to say, from some perspectives, that I haven’t tried to hang myself. I have. From the outside looking in at this institution-cum-“cult,” my regurgitation and therefore implicit condonation of rape and sexual slavery, whether I intended these terms in the literal or simply as useful metaphors for domination, isn’t always clearly conveyed to the reader. As such, some hot
assbot: Let’s Cut To The Chase, Is La Serenissima A Cult? | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1IDCstP )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/11/04/lets-cut-to-the-chase-is-la-serenissima-a-cult/ << tumultuous, almost fiery time. pretty much 9 months ago exactly.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: as to lifestyle changes, nothing overwhelming really. helps that neither of us have an office job stealing us away so we can take as much time as we need to adapt, lean, and cope
jurov: was he reading #b-a in the womb?
pete_dushenski: 9 months. to the day.
ben_vulpes: more curious about the lifestyle change, but that's good to hear as well.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: how's the first week going?
ben_vulpes: bwaha the trousersnake oglaf
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: 'dad duty'
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with the teat?
pete_dushenski: (my apologies for the tardy responses y'all. i'm in and out of 'duty' atm. so i'm here, just sometimes delayed.)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: eg. https://www.colourbox.com/preview/1577801-plastic-baby-pacifier-or-soother-isolated-on-white.jpg
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000161.html << reposted here. << thanks asciilifeform! I'll check it out when I get a chance later.
shinohai: ty thestringpuller
gribble: The operation succeeded.