mircea_popescu: they'll still charge for incoming
cazalla: you can buy them ready activated on gumtree (craigslist) with cash anyway if need be
mircea_popescu: leaving aside all the "need id to buy phone card" nonsense, this is just too out there. wtf
mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS
BingoBoingo: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/423437/kermit-the-frog-new-girlfriend-denise-thin-miss-piggy
fluffypony: lol thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: there's a difference.
cazalla: "If anyone had the right to be offended it would be the Romanian community and yet, it's the opposite"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, she is an artist, and they're having an exhibition, and that's that!
mircea_popescu: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746094-3x2-700x467.jpg << check it out it's a fucking trend. how come the intelligent looking boy turned into ... whatever that is
BingoBoingo: Colorizarion always renders the serious derpy because people can't compose color the right way
mircea_popescu: how has the adult looking 15 yo girl in the original turned into a retarded looking adult in the "upgrade " ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sentence was a mess, should be fixed, also not the latest article
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746126-3x2-700x467.jpg << compare the original with the "colorized". what all has changed ? yes, derpy "color". what else ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261074 << the night is female i'll have you know.
trinque waits for the portland morality police to cart him off
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:51:01; mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro".
BingoBoingo: phf: Also I end up having to replace the fan annually, but probably because I take it out to smoke cigarettes with me.
mats: not everyone can be ben_moneybags with the dedicated eulora mbp
trinque: apple's a scam these days too
mats: I have a hard time justifying dropping ~1450 on a 13in MBA with 8gb or I would be on the aapl train
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trinque: http://lifehacker.com/5524704/laptop-reliability-study-highlights-the-most-sturdy-laptop-makers << this is fucking pathetic
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll never purchase another Lenovo product << try the X1?0e education series. Cheap AMD options available and honest tough plastic for those damned kids.
mats: not good on the lap
mats: its decently responsive and I like the action
trinque: mats: what does the keyboard feel like?
trinque: the startup logo corner tends to stack up
trinque: go for quantity; stops working, pitch it out the window
trinque: ben_vulpes: gentleman we know has the right idea; just stack up old thinkpads
ben_vulpes: what the fuck is wrong with you mats
ben_vulpes: $bizpartner got the new delicate thing
ben_vulpes: things are cookies these days, granted.
trinque: the "retina" was a piece of shit
trinque: I don't get the sense that Tim Cook would beat someone with one if he didn't approve of it
trinque: felt the same way about a pentium 3 thinkpad I had
phf: "this is my laptop. there are many like it"
phf: he doesn't understand. i recently switched keyboards on this laptop, now that is not an operation for people with shaky hands. requires complete removal of guts and then removing ~~200 screws that attach the keyboard to the frame.
phf: my colleague has been telling me that x1 carbon is the best laptop. in fact he's been trashing my mbp over it
trinque: I'll never purchase another Lenovo product
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: by virtue of writing the crud once and driving oodles of business through it.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:18:22; mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260178 << the mythical software company pulls in vastly more revenue than it takes to tame the complexity of producing the revenue.
ben_vulpes: i ripped a part of the nominal 'metal' out of a compressed air nailgun two weekends back
trinque: carbon fiber they said
trinque: so ask me what holds the screen onto this X1 CARBON
trinque: psycopg for db, yep, very common for python to just tape various C libraries together
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not sure why that would be a controversial point. how does something like trig functions work in python? they don't, they are a call out to system level math library
ben_vulpes: ("how's the water today, boys?" "water?!")
phf: there's cpython which behaves ~mostly~ consistently across the system, but its behavior is part convention/part emergent details of C code and to a very significant part the details of the underlying unix
trinque: ah I see; we were talking completely at crossways then
phf: trinque: anyway, the original distinction was not about hosts not being a python datastructure, it's the fact that you can't separate python semantics from the underlying os, which is unix/posix/x86/ieee combined in various forms
trinque: maybe the filesystem is just a giant swapfile
trinque: where's the fundamentalism in that
phf: you have to have some set of global variables, even if it's only a state on the first execution of (main)
ben_vulpes: what's the difference between "everything is a file" and "global variables" anyways
phf: ben_vulpes: alright, that was an unfair comment, but i was trying to say that the focus is wrong.
trinque: not where the actual fucking thing lives today
trinque: both missing the point. I am asking stylistically where something like an /etc/hosts would live
phf: but there's a pathname spec that lets your implementation answer that question for you
trinque: I'm feeling around in the dark, would love to know
trinque: so answer the question. where would a lookup table like /etc/hosts go if the system were completely made of lisp?
phf: trinque: yeah, i'm also talking about owning the machine
trinque: I was addressing "own the machine" not CL
phf: common lisp specification is written in a such a way that you don't need to know anything about the outside world to fully replicate a ~useful~ computation
trinque: ben_vulpes: "doesn't own the machine" sounds to me like "/etc/hosts isn't a python data structure"
ben_vulpes: some other 15 year old bitcoin wizard however long ago
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on "own the machine" and a) why it should and b) how python does not?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now, old dog hands inform me that the absolutely irresistible treat, to dog, is cat shit. << Any kind of shit really.
asciilifeform: (provided that it works precisely as the original)
asciilifeform: bonus points if you can do it in some abomination abhorrent to men and gods, like applescript or the like
asciilifeform: it is very plain what the thing does.
asciilifeform: anyway, the advice was meant quite seriously. rewrite it.
asciilifeform: wants to own the machine.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly because there is no handy gpg callout lib for cl
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm trying to get a sense of how much sense the thing made to folks
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asciilifeform idly wonders how many of these he had found
asciilifeform: but inescapably reminds me of the east asian piss-motorcycles
ben_vulpes: the correct solution here is drive-by order pickup on arterials.
pete_dushenski: "Amazon Prime Now - Skip the Trip. One-Hour Delivery."
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the nearest spot that has this is the baltimore sector. ask diametric about it.
ben_vulpes: and lol can anyone actually drive to your place from the depot in less than two hours?
trinque: I buy the primo shit from Meat on Burnside
ben_vulpes: trinque: is clearly not buying the nice frozen stuff.
asciilifeform: the same thing is done to man and beast alike.
asciilifeform: turned out, they feed'em corn.
asciilifeform: my mother's lab had them, and my folks kept one as a pet for a spell, back home. it was small, ratlike animal
asciilifeform: ditto other creatures
trinque: because they're bought to be furniture
asciilifeform: cat was fully 2-3x the size of 'cat' in my mind
asciilifeform: they destroy vermin, and ornament the windows, trees. and, very rarely, will allow themselves to be petted.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment !
asciilifeform: the cats which orbit my current dwelling are almost ideal.
asciilifeform: aha. cat belongs in the wild.
trinque: they're fine animals if you let them do what they're made for: climbing trees and murdering smaller animals
trinque: yeah, I let mine out; got him from somebody on craigslist in the woods in TX
asciilifeform: i tried once to keep a cat, in the old flat. he did not like it, escaped, tunneled through a grate and never seen again.
trinque: my cat came home bloody today, must've killed some rodent or another
asciilifeform: (they were injured by a trap, but still somehow running, at half pace)
asciilifeform: right in the kitchen
asciilifeform: clubbed them to death personally, with crowbar.
asciilifeform: i remember the last two mice very well
asciilifeform: who also make it impossible to ignore themselves
asciilifeform: if it were not for this, might be difficult in a modern flat (with no sacks of grain to lose, etc) to even notice them.
asciilifeform: the most objectionable, imho, thing about mice, is the stream of shit they leave behind
asciilifeform had mice, by the dozen
mircea_popescu: oh and acutally, the first time i EVER encountered a rodent as a domicile pest (of exactly three times total) is, iirc, on my blog somewhere.
asciilifeform: early versions had a charge on the grid at all times,
asciilifeform: triggered by capacitance change in the floor grid (tubular-shaped vessel)
asciilifeform: (both can do either, clearly, but 'specialty')
mircea_popescu: tho dc is iirc even further north
asciilifeform: they are also titanically large
mircea_popescu: had serious problems overcoming the mild curiosity. i don't see them as THAT much of a pest yet actually.
mircea_popescu had never seen a cockroach in the flesh before going to costa rica
asciilifeform: but it would be a mistake to suppose that they are absent from the northern latitudes
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260904 << i recently met a fella who cannot drink american instant coffee. breaks out in hives. and not on account of the coffee, but from having allergy to... cockroaches.
mircea_popescu: the point is made in passing in that discussion of rabbit killing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is in bad taste to kill people but be unfamiliar with the body's path through this world. much like eating cream but never having milked a cow, or eating meat but never having hunted, and so forth.
asciilifeform: (there is a hilarious little book, by some american fella, 'stiff' - about process of decomposition and the practical applications of said field)
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:23:45; mircea_popescu: by the time blood solids separate out of plasm the body's long dead.
trinque: consider the person a specimen and ask questions
trinque: I dunno; you don't have to subscribe to their newsletter to talk
mircea_popescu: is this "not having the circuitry" anything akin to "i cnat spael, i'm an artistic type" ?
asciilifeform: they ~would~ - do - pay to avoid being locked in.
mircea_popescu: people fucking pay to be around the chimp cage
asciilifeform: if you don't have the circuitry, it is an insurmountable and - more importantly - entirely unappealing problem to solve.
asciilifeform: trinque: if i were any good at lying, i would already be working as a professional liar. considering that i live in the world's capital for these
trinque: mats: that's the one
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not in quite these words
trinque: what's the islamic concept re: lying to enemies?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sympathetic grunts informed via side-channel
mircea_popescu: and in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/464ce498c71465cd582fba778a055a3c/tumblr_nb6dz6VqO71rxt77ao9_1280.jpg
asciilifeform: trinque: btw i will mention that there was a time when i was out of work and starving, and tried to do all kinds of things. the normal corporate folks could tell what kind of animal i was from ten minutes' conversation and wouldn't touch me with a barge pole.
asciilifeform: wouldtcha rather eat own shit?
asciilifeform: it's like eating other people's shit
asciilifeform: ON FUCKNG OTHERRPEOPLESCODE
mircea_popescu: i stuffed more of the finest sturgeon roe into random women than anyone you know.
asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed
trinque: this is kinda what I mean about something like "you're smart, take the shartups for all they're worth"
mircea_popescu: so my solution is merely lower temperature under the tragedy pot, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i can not answer for taleb. i can tell you that as far as i'm concerned, a) my ass actually enjoys the company and b) my head actually doesn't much care about the industry.
mircea_popescu: didn't do anything for either party.
mircea_popescu: but they hated with burning passion the girls involved. which, i'm sure, in their worst nightmares sounded just like mats' bus linked above
mircea_popescu: early men building up the us as an industrial power did want the part where maggotry allows them to run textile mills
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has, i think, separated the two ?
mircea_popescu: you are not, incidentally, the first to confront this.,
mircea_popescu: is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry.
mircea_popescu: trinque not if that tightly packed with other asses.
asciilifeform: also need the nukes.
asciilifeform: if i had 'the money', someone would simply whack me with a club & take it.
assbot: Logged on 07-04-2015 00:10:01; mircea_popescu: just like having a car doesn't alow having gasoline. it's true that often people who have cars also independently have gasoline, but the two are fundamentally unrelated, and there is such a thing as the fool's breakdown, ie, car's outta gas on the side of hte road.
mircea_popescu: you can not "buy back own arse", at any price, for as long as you think in those terms or anything like them, your ass is public property.
mircea_popescu: yes but the problem with that worldview is that it makes absolutely no sense.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you two are conflating at least three things. there is 1. "not having any ability to direct the course of public affairs, as encoded in "money" in this society" ; 2. "not having 1 and perceiving one should have it" ; 3. perceiving one should not have it.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> rich has ~the option~ of ignoring. << yah, & alarm clock, job, et al.
mod6: not that they're not good info, or good signals in a market place. but if you go shopping and have to think about weather you can afford to buy something, you're not rich.
asciilifeform: rich has ~the option~ of ignoring.
asciilifeform: again, like the clock
asciilifeform: mod6: i will add, if you use an alarm clock, and don't have the option of stopping, you're not rich;
mod6: i agree with ascii; if you have to look at the price tags, you're not rich.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: then you're only borderline ! gov says !
trinque: all these diseases smack of "ate not-food most of my life"
trinque: she did also have an issue with lactose, had less trouble with that unpasteurized milk from the nearby farm
mircea_popescu: if they're up to experimentation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but autism is an actual thing, or you disagree with the very notion ?
asciilifeform: trinque: tell you what, we didn't have it in su either
mircea_popescu: you know, something not being known in 1800 is not automatic proof the something doesn't exist.
asciilifeform: trinque: again, where were they in 1800 ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: oddly, my metabolism has worked in the reverse of that theory. ate it regularly, eventually 'had problems', now, few years on, can handle small amounts
mircea_popescu: the difference between the black slave of 1815 and the black freeman of 2015 is that the former actually thinks that, to paraphrase, ", you don't get to fuck the white mistress."
trinque: I half-suspect it's an autoimmune thing caused by not wheat, but something they had in the production thereof
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu - what's it mean, 'think they're somehow poor'
trinque: oh indeed, and loved american "rock and roll" from the 80s
mircea_popescu: (/me has known enough of the sort by noiw, to the degree he mostly points at their face and laughs)
mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending.
asciilifeform: trinque: were were these 'needers' in 1800 ?
asciilifeform: i've never seen anything else in my entire adult life. all of the other variants of human organization may as well be ancient rome, for all the personal experience i have of them.
trinque: you check the nutrition label and it has nothing in it
trinque: my favorite alt-food crackpottery is the gluten free thing
mircea_popescu: that article i did about "cheers", the sitcom is very illustrative. twerp in question imagines "class" as in, that ancient matter of a person's quality in society, is a matter of anointed. she thinks some vagabond is "high class" because she went to some school.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform only redistyributive taxation can create this situation where they who should be rich think they're somehow poor, and the poor wear alternatively idiot and imbecile clothes.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:08:18; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip.
mircea_popescu: in mid july 1989 govt was pretending like romanians did useful work. by 1992 govt was out and out saying that the ~65 dollars a month you earn is barely justified by your work value.
trinque: mats: aw, isn't sociopathic to pull the plug on grandpa when cancer's eating him all through
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i read pop sci, pop mech, growing up. they fascinated me even in the early 90s. will have to check on 50s back copies
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski /me lived like that for a coupla decades, actually. ro of the 90s was a fab thing.
pete_dushenski: probably what 1950's usa felt like, on the improvement score
pete_dushenski: and while it may feel like everything on the verge, things can feel that way for decades
trinque: these are interesting but... slow!
trinque: never have I felt like so many things were on the verge of... well, god knows what... all at once.
mod6: dow was up 293 points today. im sure they use the circut breakers just as much when price movements are to the upside.
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mircea_popescu: once people lose the ability to confront кто ты по жизни (and notice i did not say "answer"), a numeric classification system is unavoidable.
mod6: oh yeah, they tried to pass all that through a while back.
mircea_popescu: and the exact same thing is coming to an us near you. because if you let the twerps "be what they want to be", they'll want to be "creative evangelists at large" and similar randy zuckerbergianisms. which aren't things.
mircea_popescu: (the silent H in all this being : no, an argentine can't pretend to me to be X or Y or Z. because i have a schematic understanding of what he MAY be, and that is the absolute and enforced limit of his destiny.)
mircea_popescu: but saying "the government wants nat'l ids to oppress people" is like saying "maggots want blood separation to kill the corpse".
mircea_popescu: the problem is - they do not. they merely are made unavoidable by the already lost individual agency. which people lose because it's too heavy t ocarry, like the late roman army shield and helmet.
mircea_popescu: and yes, i understand that the view in the us is that such schemes take away individual agency.
mod6: everyone has these id cards?
mircea_popescu: which, otherwise, moos, yes, but not meaningfully.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, it's a fine exercise in the importance of "national identity" schemes. they exist so that the actual people can make some sort of sense of the cattle.
mircea_popescu: it is the one saving grace because otherwise twerpy as they are they'd be entirely unsuable.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in daily argentinian lols : their government is deeply inept (so much so that id cards actually have chips with medical history and whatnot). takes me about ten minutes to have complete history on anyone on the basis of their identity number.
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mircea_popescu: <mats> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUMyNO8OGmk << oh the memories << why do the women sound drunk ?
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> everyone just eats from bag, like a horse, whenever. << good enough for the pakistani's rapemeat warehouse.
mircea_popescu: the entire point of having a city and cars is the endless line of half-naked farm teenagers begging for a ride, stretching out to the horizon.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> f everyone were to come by car. << the city as we know it is before that a creation of the "not everyone's invited" principle.
mircea_popescu: maybe for natural causes, but aided and abetted nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones << this is a very valid point, and the one spot where alf's ideas re meta-lizzards sound most persuasive. i do not believe the market is gerrymandered as it is by accident.
mircea_popescu: <mats> the argument is often made that 'healthy food' in us is expensive <<< healthy food is expensive if you imagine yourself me but for the grace of god, and then attempt to remedy this lack of grace by papering over with money. yes you'll have to pay a lot for someone who doesn't want to, to cook at home for you.
asciilifeform: trinque: the office park where i work is ~80% vacant and you could land a boeing on the parking