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trinque: ^ guy is just more interested in his lisp system than a particular app on it. I contend the mega-app on any computer now and in the future will be a hypertext system.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: the people who authored CL thought of your use case. << AND yet you Hearnia around the details
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: the people who authored CL thought of your use case.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: you're still missing the whole "bind *real-eval* to nil" part of the discussion << FUCK YOU IMMA DRAGON
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: you're still missing the whole "bind *real-eval* to nil" part of the discussion
BingoBoingo: Executable things can go in the Lispy read, sign, check signatures, and execute world. Documents need to be in the don't give a fuck read the derp and laugh universe
mircea_popescu: if i want it to be able to do things with the text, then yes i want full ast bla bla.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:51:28; punkman: gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267251 << moreover, if gpg messages were code rather than data i'd have gpg rewritten to a thing that keeps messages strictly as data. BingoBoingo exactly has it : there is no room nor need for every bit of text to be "really code". i want my nano to be UNABLE to do anything whatsoever with the text. which is why i use nano rather than emacs.
trinque: "you can do anything at zombocom" is not why the web blew up
gabriel_laddel: trinque: the whole lispm is a "browser" if you go that direction with words.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: well these are all very good questions, but that's application development. << NO, this is developing separate universes
trinque: seems to me you end up with another browser
trinque: dunno that you see or perhaps don't value the problem the web did solve
gabriel_laddel: trinque: well these are all very good questions, but that's application development.
trinque: in what space do these links exist? what are they addressing? so on so on
mircea_popescu: the drunk to cereal interaction is very golden.
trinque: and on the other end, gabriel_laddel will tell you that's a (small) subset of his lispy metaverse
trinque: I see what's asked for there.
BingoBoingo: <trinque> hypertext you understand is just an extension of what writing already was. << Seriously there is a specific harmless language or subset of language necessary for playing the presentation role. Something that by it's Phoosis can be presented safely
trinque: getting rather well known
gabriel_laddel: if you don't like it, well, you've got the sexprs right there
mircea_popescu: alternatively it could be transpieler. where you play with the tran.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: so someone could write and distribute a "~google search" that looks over the CLIM streams of all GUIs it knows about.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:35:09; gabriel_laddel: there is a partially complete js->parenscript transpiler so that you don't have to read js
gabriel_laddel: the "scaffolding" will evolve as you go
gabriel_laddel: dunno what else you could possibly want, other than sane 3D etc.
trinque: mabye we're all running the same lisp program, but you have to have a space within which (distributed CLOS??) the thing we're doing poorly on the www can be done better
trinque: in the don't-call-it-hypertext
trinque: and let me point at your concepts and make reference to them on *my* thing
gabriel_laddel: here are some objects, display them. "OK"
gabriel_laddel: I don't get why I need another language?
trinque: because the browser is shit
gabriel_laddel: but I want the AST!
gabriel_laddel: trinque: they didn't do *everything* correctly, but yes.
trinque: oh stop, there were hypertext systems on general
punkman: I think youtube-dl has the right idea. https://github.com/rg3/youtube-dl
gabriel_laddel: my plan is to OCR + script the fuck out of the web
BingoBoingo: Zool is not a container, it is another devil.
gabriel_laddel: punkman: there isn't really anyway out of that
trinque: BingoBoingo: he's talking about in the sort of XUL layer, if I understand firefox
punkman: gabriel_laddel: well even if you can translate all the worl'ds js to lisp, I still don't want any JS
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: nope.js is the name of the transpiler
gabriel_laddel: scripting it with PS sucks unless it is the "base layer" of the UI
trinque: expected lisp in conkeror, then... sadness
gabriel_laddel: punkman: trinque: the idea here is to use nope.js on conkeror, which is written in js
trinque: BingoBoingo: I would much rather download someone's signed lisp program and run that locally than have this horrible half-creature that grabs code from everywhere, tries to "sandbox" it, and runs without so much as a gpg fart in the wind
BingoBoingo: trinque: I may be drunk so I may not have started my objections at the right place. Whatever code you privately jizz onto servers is yours. Code you try to make other people execute is a crime.
trinque: punkman: yeah well I don't start with boil the ocean
trinque: the JS output is entirely readable
punkman: trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view.
trinque: the languages are close enough that it's really just an alternate JS syntax; not like you're compiling haskell to JS
BingoBoingo: I'm not about to feed nytimes.com into anything that would do other than discard its JS
assbot: A white guy named Michael couldn’t get his poem published. Then he became Yi-Fen Chou. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1L0tS81 )
pete_dushenski: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/08/a-white-guy-named-michael-couldnt-get-his-poem-published-then-he-became-yi-fen-chou/ << "Hudson’s critics said the literary bait-and-switch was fraudulent, racist and fundamentally different from Charlotte Bronte publishing “Jane Eyre” under the name Currer Bell."
trinque: I tend to lean the way deedbot.org looks
trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow
BingoBoingo: Srsly we are dealing with the devil and his works
BingoBoingo: No version of postscript is acceptable either unless read with eyes and generated with TeX under careful watch with rifle at hand.
BingoBoingo: trinque: I am referring to the latter in reference to gabriel_laddel's assertion javascript should be parsed at all.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: he is discussing nope.js, the javascript to parenscript transpiler
trinque: I would agree that where the written word is concerned, please do not give me a single-page JS app
trinque: or generally that there should be more text-only content?
trinque: are we talking about the web here?
BingoBoingo: If you catch the devil hold him close for you shall not catch him again.
BingoBoingo: Cutting HTML, markdown, or postscript to bare text is fine. Cutting javascript to OMGWTFBBQ 3D graphs but translated is the devil incarnate.
BingoBoingo: The point where you decide to eat javascript is the point you go coprophilliac for satan
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: But at some point people want to put arbitray string on their own.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: lol, we understand each other. BingoBoingo doesn't though.
trinque: any grammar can just say "here's the header, here's the footer, go nuts kid"
BingoBoingo: But even in LISP people there is a divide between machine language and "people" language. One can not adequately enjoy the lamentations of enemy women in machine language
trinque: we shall see; guy hasn't released anything yet and signed his name thereupon
gabriel_laddel: e bit further back, to the Middle Ages. One of its characteristics was that 'reasoning by analogy' was rampant; another characteristic was almost total intellectual stagnation, and we now see why the two go together. A reason for mentioning this is to point out that, by developing a keen ear for unwarranted analogies, one can detect a lot of medieval thinking today." -- https://www.cs.utexas.edu/~EWD/transcriptions/
gabriel_laddel: "On the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss, the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry, thus leaving it to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky to receive the flak. It is probably more illuminating to go a littl
trinque: in my opinion one is a subset of the other
BingoBoingo: <trinque> no one says your qntras have to be parsable, but it might be nice if the language you configure your editor/DE/OS with is. << And at what point should barin authored text end and machine authored text begin?
trinque: no one says your qntras have to be parsable, but it might be nice if the language you configure your editor/DE/OS with is.
BingoBoingo wonders when unblemished text became the problem.
trinque: haven't used either for anything aside from regular macros to make some stumpwm config prettier
trinque: never found a use for them in my own code to date
trinque: I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit
trinque: BingoBoingo: I would say mr gabriel_laddel has it, that all syntaxes can be done within the lisp system, and simultaneously you find that the vast majority aren't necessary
gabriel_laddel: Partially through translating the imaxima LaTeX stuff such that you can take a maxima AST, view it as LaTeX, maxima syntax or lisp all at the CLIM listener.
trinque: BingoBoingo: not sure I hear the question
gabriel_laddel: good for them
trinque: gabriel_laddel: not at all; they've already learned more syntax via basic algebra
BingoBoingo: Human language contains ambiguities, Machine languages are formal, why try to bin them together entirely?
BingoBoingo: What part of the utterance "Fuck You" is formal enough to be an sexpr
trinque: gabriel_laddel: just the bit about how if we don't make all these assumptions about order of operations, and arrange things sensibly, we've got sexps
gabriel_laddel: trinque: at the beginning of (I'd assume "A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem" but don't see it there)?
gabriel_laddel: because you can always "open up" any "structure" and are guaranteed to get more of the same i.e., lisp, i.e., sexprs
gabriel_laddel: so you never have to write another parser
gabriel_laddel: punkman: When you hack lisp, everything "deals in" (modifies, returns) these structures.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: nice "hey look we invented lisp" at the beginning there
gabriel_laddel: now, that AST (in blue) can be mapped, with no loss of information to the "lisp" (s-expression) under it: (/ (* (+ 3 2) 8) (* 3 (^ 3 6)))
assbot: A Realistic Solution to the Education Problem ... ( http://bit.ly/1OxemzJ )
gabriel_laddel: because you can't "get at" the AST, because that isn't how people naively write parsers.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: hide it all behind Super-Meta-click and leave the rest to Congnition Stratifies(TM)
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: thins can all be done at the UI level
punkman: gabriel_laddel: I get your point but also, this kinda sounds to me like "don't use math symbols, write it all with the full power of english"
BingoBoingo: The entire point of domain specific languages is shutting opportunities to drop turds everywhere out
gabriel_laddel: "Here are some abstractions, solve the problem." The end
gabriel_laddel: punkman: the whole DSL thing doesn't have a name in lisp because it isn't needed
gabriel_laddel: punkman: the problem with creating "DSLs" in ALGOL is that you end up losing M-. (jump to definition) and any ability you may have had to interact with the AST of the previous programming language (read: the actual language, as it is the thing that contains all the semantics) when you change the syntax
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> punkman: you lose the full power of the programming language. << In nearly every case a 3rd part gives you code you don't want a full language. You want a plainly crippled language.
gabriel_laddel: punkman: you lose the full power of the programming language.
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: Enough with the almost analogies already. They're an escape hatch to nowhere.
BingoBoingo: I'm just wondering who at all should have to eat javascript asbestos to become a Great Red Dragon of the Information age.
gabriel_laddel: Want to launch a 3D visualization from a button press in the back of the settings menu? Sure, why not.
gabriel_laddel: the full power of the machine should be yours, at all times
gabriel_laddel: the correct model is that you never have a DSL or "mini-language"
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: it is quite obvious that I've poorly expressed exactly why the web interface for Masamune exists.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: A page is a document. Why should anyone other than the user impose any scripts upon the text?
BingoBoingo: Scripting web content ought to entirely be the user's choice
gabriel_laddel: there is a partially complete js->parenscript transpiler so that you don't have to read js
gabriel_laddel: e.g., scriping combinations of browser movements, OCR routines and X windows level key-presses together for data mining
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: because there is a lot of information that needs to be sucked out of the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which to do this will be quite valuable moving forwards.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 02:24:59; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267085 << the famished take self-funded sabbaticals now ? not that mats is wealthy, but eating wallpaper he ain't.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> Incidentally, improving the browser interface is what I plan on using to punish interns / employees who create DSLs, configuration file formats, non-reader macro syntax extensions... << How is "improving:" and not "killing" the word here
gabriel_laddel: Something like 40% of the conkeror js translates to PS without signaling conditions using the included js->ps transpiler.
gabriel_laddel: Incidentally, improving the browser interface is what I plan on using to punish interns / employees who create DSLs, configuration file formats, non-reader macro syntax extensions...
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=07-09-2015#1265774 << I hack it using the parenscript REPL you can find in the Masamune repository. Mozrepl (the basis) provides some very rudimentary debugging facities that tbh, I almost never use due to a burning hatred of js and no reason to ever sharpen that edge of the blade.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano? << He only needs format comptibility
mircea_popescu: IALLY seeing how the fucktarded implementation of "accounts" etc pretty much ensures everyone will be using multiplew wallets.
assbot: Logged on 05-09-2015 02:38:55; mircea_popescu: in today's lulz : it turns out that bitcoin-qt interface, if presented with a malformed value such as 1,275 btc instead of the 1.275 notation,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263077 << continuing our series of "power rangers are retarded lol", today's installment : bitcoind's idea of "passwords" allows digita and lowercase characters. no symbols no uppercase. not only does this mean a bitcoind pw is half the strength of a normal pw, but (the actual likely purpose of this retardation) it makes it trivial to identify wallet password lists. ESPEC
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano?
BingoBoingo becoming convinced no one does better blackface than the Japs
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ben_vulpes: oh yeah and can't make modern readers think too hard about their own versions
mircea_popescu: mats that's nice to have. i always puzzled over the incredibly poor security of mobile as a design decision
ben_vulpes: "struggle session" << anyone have any decent literature? the only thing i can recall offhand is the book White Swans.
BingoBoingo rolls around in some jools hoping they embed in the skin
assbot: Sources: We were pressured to weaken the mobile security in the 80's - Aftenposten ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETqn2f )
BingoBoingo: Not that they will admit. "Totally supplanted by 'NSpire' thing"
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Butt, Butt, Butts they depreciated it for ARM shit
asciilifeform: (not incl. the pc version, which was discontinued a decade ago)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they have what, three separate product lines based on it? no shit
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly. << I my cursory seach Texas Instruments apparently "owns" derive
asciilifeform: (hastily welded on, it is elephantine for the time, hundreds of kB!)
asciilifeform: dwarfed by the gui crud
asciilifeform: so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly.
mircea_popescu: not that the general problem of "i will now emit a string of bits and you tell me if this is a function" isn't a very interesting ai topic.
mircea_popescu: every time the endless chorus of people that keep repeating "no srsly, ms improved" gets me to believe it on a simple "regression to mean" theory, shit like this happens
asciilifeform: mats: nope. so i jump to somewhere that has the prologue. solved.
mircea_popescu: things that aren't functions that got injected couldn't have the extra fixed payload injected along ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, would say that it checks for a standard prologue before jumping to the return addr found on stack
mircea_popescu: but srsly, if anyone who understands these things is willing to explain it to me, how exactly is the kernel going to "verify target is in fact a function" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I though you manced the necros? Isn't that what dark ELF's do?
asciilifeform: they haven't got tables of anything, just shit soup.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266935 << how the fuck is this even supposed to work ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac << Yes
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a nagant, circa 1940s, sells for around 100 usd iirc. so the reddit fella could, if he had a bit of budget left, literally eat nagant.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:08:18; BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266887 << i managed to lose one of a set of historical bitcoin cufflinks last week. they cost more than his budget back before they became historical.
mircea_popescu: not in the us.
mircea_popescu: these people have less sense than the average insect.
mircea_popescu: derp on a 500 bucks budget blows half of it to cover a month of random retardation he found on the net.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:04:57; pete_dushenski: "I thought the support BitcoinXT had was way bigger because of so many people praising it on /r/Bitcoin. I wanted to help scale bitcoin so I spent about $200 to set up 10 BitcoinXT nodes for a month."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience
asciilifeform usually reads by the MB, but sometimes - by the crate.
asciilifeform: very spiffy little monograph on a/v stego in there, as well
BingoBoingo: I thought it was known ascii only read by the crate
mircea_popescu: in other news today, asciilifeform reads by the crate.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online. << He may or may not have been recorded. If his handlers read this they probably ought to see if their agent has a file with one of the more trusted local constables.
mircea_popescu: that;s kinda the point of the whole "you're his now"
mircea_popescu: but this is also the problem : you will never be able to get a sufficient number of "nothing". the devil's giold coins have this way of turning to leaves in your hands
mircea_popescu: so does shrem. obviously he's not one bit sorry he fucked the goat.
BingoBoingo: Spotted me specifically, made a bit of smalltalk and then than coon tried to sell me the entire spectrum of drugs.
BingoBoingo this weekend may have actually met targeted operation. Some nigga found me at the bar and kept trying to sell me drugs.
mircea_popescu: don't sign with the devil. you will live to regret it if you do.
mircea_popescu: "microagressions" come from a world that's not starshaped with the "usg" at the center of all things.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> “under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. That’s because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. […] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thin
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:46:13; pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot
mircea_popescu: the first mistake these folks make is accepting the inept counsel.
mircea_popescu: anyway, note the incredibly braindamaged defense put up by one caduddu
mircea_popescu: the brits never won a trial in imperial india, not ever.
asciilifeform: they take place in usg fortresses
asciilifeform: it isn't as if these trials took place in the court of some independent sovereign
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'loses' is a smoke screen to begin with. usg never really loses a trial, how could it
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'they' == usg
shinohai: There was an i2p irc they had for a while too iirc
mircea_popescu: u probably did it, you can still be sentenced based on those charges. […] Essentially, the government loses but then gets to punish you anyway.”
mircea_popescu: “under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. That’s because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. […] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thinks yo
mircea_popescu: lmao. so there exists an #anonops on freenode. nobody there, bout half dozen amazon shells.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but qntra won rather quicly
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mit dead tree press has been a sad circus, with 'privilege' on every catalogue page, and 'climate' in every other title, for many years.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> bbbbbut mit !!1111!111!!1 << At the point MIT Technology review loses to qntra...
mircea_popescu: and i mean that in the most literal sense. i doubt even the computers bother reading their code.
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a flyiong fuck what they do.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:14:07; midnightmagic: They've claimed that with the microscope on their efforts looking for bugs to discredit them, that this translates into equivalent-to-normal-auditing. (??)
mircea_popescu: and there's at least hte sad end of the manchuko in china
asciilifeform: then yes, mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: even a few emperors "too young" to assume the crown atthat age
asciilifeform: i suppose if these count, then we can also count mazdakism in persia
asciilifeform: the extension of 'education' to even 30 y.o.
mircea_popescu: the spawn of greek speaking white women in constantinople cca 1200 was equally worthless.
asciilifeform: prohibitions (in the west, mainly) on 'child labour' etc
asciilifeform: not that there is some hidden up-side to it
asciilifeform: nah, meant that the -ev thing is strictly a result of events which have no historical parallels
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you wish to say "kids are like socket mains" then you must show that white woman kid beats random kid eighty million tries out of eighty million.
asciilifeform recalls the legend where saddam h. supposedly challenged bush II to gladiatorial combat, in lieu of war
asciilifeform: turd world is riding the back of the very same train, give'em time.
mircea_popescu: i'll consider such arguments once you can take the 3yo product of white woman, put it in cage with 3yo product of thirld world woman, and it emerges victorious. every time.
asciilifeform: but not unrelated - what exactly was ever +ev about offspring once they could no longer be harnessed to the plow, or run the shop ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technology and the spawn of women are not like things, plox no spurious comparisons.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:56:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266760 << the idea of children being -ev is so counter-historical.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266858 << the mains socket is equally counter-historical, aha
BingoBoingo: It was, major props to thestringpuller
asciilifeform: they stand ready to 'rescue' folks with hot lead.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lulziest part is that this is OFFICIAL usg newspeak. e.g., police 'swat' tanks in my town have big fat RESCUE stencilled on the side
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266861 << rescue!!11111 destroy the village to save it!
BingoBoingo: definition: toom = the interior space of a tomb
BingoBoingo: There is little recourse possible if the Great Red Dragon and God's lamb decide to wage the final battle of mortal existance in the same toom machine is
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the hard part is that the box is physically in the hands of a liar and a traitor
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: batteries are a trivial thing, this is not the hard part.
BingoBoingo wonders if there are any li-polymer batteries that fit in 2.5" drive bays
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see gpggram for another interesting tidbit.
mircea_popescu waves to the poor unfortunate schmuck stuck in this particular shitty job.
mircea_popescu: i guess the gig is ip
mats: that some folks suggest the substance of any of my debates begin with 'so explain why i shouldn't windows' indicates they've no idea whats actually being discussed
mircea_popescu: they didn't want to fight the government, but niggas passing by
mircea_popescu: it is exactly how the middle class usian became a captive of ipad and suburbia.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea there is that in any situation of scarce resources, you pick the main threat and work towards that. working towards lesser threats is a waste of your resources and promises to paint you in the corner of a local maximum.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No point being able to beat full USG if vulnerable to papersigners like new look voorhes and shren at the same time.
mircea_popescu: there is no enemy but the enemy.
mircea_popescu: what good are they then ?
mats: i have never ventured the opinion these mitigations actually defend against MS, INTC, USG, etc...
mats: it doesn't. but random passerby has to spend a shiny dime for the privilege of diddling your box
asciilifeform: mats: how does any of it raise the cost of usg using its dedicated pwnholes ?
mircea_popescu: so yes, even with the cctv bla bla. not driving a gps beacon is that much better.
mircea_popescu: resistence is not about DOING anything, but merely preventing the enemy from doing his stupid shit.
mats: the CFG implementation is quite weak based on a cursory inspection, but in general all this stuff raises the cost of attack
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mats: there are also new security features that have been rolled out over the last year, ie, isolated heap and deferred free lists
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and i'm none too amused by 'oh no she didn't' 'oh yes she did' banter either
asciilifeform: dulap therealbitcoin node going down starting now.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:55:08; benkay: you want further homogeneity? in the cult?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266855 << not particularly. but the disagreement should be productive, not 'please explain why i shouldn't use winbloze' level
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: wasn't lolin' man, was just wondering what the occasion was !
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You should try the newsmines
ben_vulpes: anyways, pete_dushenski, i'd love to talk some day when you've got something other than "lol ur handle bro" lined up
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Coons+Age | Jonny, I haven't see you in a coon's age, How the hell are you? by Tbone ... I've been waiting a Coon's Age for you to get your sorry keister out of the bathroom!
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Nah, just in the minds of the Urban youth blessed by the #gayfish in chief

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