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shinohai: Who allows these people to reproduce?
shinohai: Paper just gives me the illusion of owning something I actually do not.
assbot: Logged on 17-08-2015 19:35:54; mircea_popescu: irl, settlement's a paperwoirk affair and actual delivery is much disconsidered. as a token of the fact that everyone involved would muchly want reality to match their representation to the degree of absolute identity. so they desconsider the later.
asciilifeform: shinohai: aha. though 'usg 2.0' thus far gets considerably better mileage with paper diddling rather than classical confiscation
asciilifeform: in the sense that contracts which specify payment in it, are still officially void
asciilifeform: considering the markup
shinohai: Surely usg wants you to buy their minted gold.
asciilifeform: the conflation of 'owning gold' and 'using xyz vault' is also reminiscent of the mtgox mediatronic idiocies
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1268026 << am i the only one getting a surreal usg flavour from eating this? it has a distinct feel of 'see, this is what you get for using something usg can't magic into existence to make you whole'
funkenstein_: well if we work for the benefit of archaeologists, might as well throw them a bone once in a while :)
shinohai: The top 10 clean or ‘least-shady’ TLDs are: .gov and .mil LMAO
assbot: Logged on 30-08-2014 20:46:17; asciilifeform: but, as every treatise on the subject invariably begins with, first try to understand what is to be hidden - and from whom
asciilifeform: funkenstein_: see the canonical buried treasure thread.
kakobrekla: and they were 'deleted' for many years.
kakobrekla: the story is they did not get their papers straitened out at the time slovenia parted yugo
asciilifeform: in what consisted the victimization ?
asciilifeform: i mean, how does this work? they were in comparty and now have nothing to do ?
kakobrekla: the thing is, the exploiter a supposed victim of the 1990 yugo breaking up and in has been given 'priority processing' & 'priority lawyer support' from state for free. Exploitee is a poor old woman with nothing.
punkman: kakobrekla: are there lots of squatters in your parts?
asciilifeform: but there, he can also evict you immediately
asciilifeform: (not only this, but the famous 'circular saw' case, recall)
kakobrekla: it almost reminds me of monthy python, the vid.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 03:51:24; mircea_popescu: mats that's nice to have. i always puzzled over the incredibly poor security of mobile as a design decision
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267185 <-- I'm told the phrase is antiquated and mostly used in jest today. Perhaps interesting that the translation of "revolution" is more akin to "molting" than "spinning".
asciilifeform: only thing that ever gets mirrored is the beheadings, and even those not every time.
asciilifeform: 'youtube' is more or less a censor's wet dream. just about NOBODY ever mirrors these.
funkenstein_: "All humans, because of their upbringing, tend toward one of the four control dramas: intimidators steal energy from others by threat. Interrogators steal it by judging and questioning. Aloof people attract attention (and energy) to themselves by acting reserved or withdrawing. And poor mes make us feel guilty and responsible for them."
asciilifeform: (89 is essentially the same machine but sans keyboard)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267171 << they are cheap because they were, almost from the day they came out, forbidden to u.s. schoolchildren on account of the qwerty keyboard
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:46:13; pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266842 <-- thanks -- interesting to idiots like me who have trouble opening my eyes, in naming "the rise of the victim". other bits were cursory at best.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:11:58; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if gpg is so librarification-resistant, how have you jammed it into the cardano?
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:13:30; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-09-2015#1263077 << continuing our series of "power rangers are retarded lol", today's installment : bitcoind's idea of "passwords" allows digita and lowercase characters. no symbols no uppercase. not only does this mean a bitcoind pw is half the strength of a normal pw, but (the actual likely purpose of this retardation) it makes it trivial to identify wallet pa
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267191 << i see no such restriction in therealbitcoin...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
davout: ;;later tell mircea_popescu sure, send me the details
asciilifeform: the spittoon ~is~ in one strand.
asciilifeform: even something as mundane as 'show pictures' is VASTLY nontrivial from the sanity perspective
asciilifeform: punkman: must render HTML+CSS, with pictures << if you think this results in a proggy that views 'modern www' usably, go and try, e.g., 'dillo' or 'arachne' - the result is disappointing.
asciilifeform: need grasp of the ACTUAL mechanism of contagion.
asciilifeform: but if you want to have, e.g., an operating room, it is important that it does not ~end~ there.
asciilifeform: hygiene does not consist merely in the ritualistic and unthinking avoidance of things that stink. though it begins there.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:04:07; BingoBoingo: Links, lynx, and curl sure, but still how much ought these be trusted??? WIth their stinky libjpeg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267539 << again with the miasma theory. ~yes~ the swamp sucks to live in. yes, you get malaria and die. but it is not because of the swamp gas.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:33:59; gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: because there is a lot of information that needs to be sucked out of the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which to do this will be quite valuable moving forwards.
punkman: asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period. << eh, geddoutofhere.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 please consider updating therealbitcoin www to include the actually usable version thereof ?
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:02:15; mircea_popescu: the lulz being that ubuntu gedit goes "do you want this file displayed or executed ?"
asciilifeform: eliminate buffer overflows, use-after-free, type mismatch, by SHOOTING MOTHERFUCKING C MACHINE IN THE HEAD and the whole concept sorta goes away
asciilifeform: and i fucking hate the word 'secure'
asciilifeform: and this seeps into browsers, and not - as commonly supposed - only the reverse.
asciilifeform: there is also the other side of the problem, which is that WWW ITSELF is fundamentally retarded.
asciilifeform: lynx is right there. go, use.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 08:40:53; mircea_popescu: making a SECURE browser would kick so much ass... and it is not actually THAT hard. not in the sense that it's not hard, but in the sense that we have an IMMENSE advantage over everyone else, from mozilla to who have you, in the "piss on the world and light it on fire" doctrine.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267769 << in what way is this hypothetical item distinct from 'lynx' ?
asciilifeform: ergo there is nothing to do re: browsers at this time.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 08:40:07; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << i must confess i am very much enamoured with the idea of a b-a web browser.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267767 << this is a CATASTROPHICALLY bad idea, because any attempt is simply asking for self-delusionary masamunification (sorry gabriel_laddel, but you know precisely what i mean.) -- this being, 'aha this is a turd, but WE made it and therefore doesn't stink and is somehow edible'
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:49:05; mircea_popescu: nd him were worthy of being told about it. for all you know the notions of "progress and science" incumbent in the perspective you propose are so much masturbatory jizz, and in point of fact intelligent people share their thoughts exactly like a comedian shares his routine : to friends, in a social environment, for the same reasons in the same ways.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267699 << this is an excellent point, and the standard narrative of 'progress, science' is very much reminiscent of the old claptrap re: 'building communism together!!11!!!11'
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2014 00:46:13; asciilifeform: have to understand, jet fighter is not really a complete machine. it is a tentacle of the larger industrial slave empire which produced and employed it.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:42:51; BingoBoingo: Especially relevant for gabriel_laddel: "Babbage, even with remarkably generous support for his time, could not produce his great arithmetical machine. His idea was sound enough, but construction and maintenance costs were then too heavy. Had a Pharaoh been given detailed and explicit designs of an automobile, and had he understood them completely, it would have taxed the resources of his kingdom to hav
asciilifeform: everyone uses 'half-baked, bug-ridden implementation' of wot. even idiots. the idiot version of wot for email is, roughly, 'reject all messages not coming from u.s. fortune-500 corp domains.'
kakobrekla: yea, the sadness.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i run a mailserver, of approximately the same kind as mircea_popescu, but when i need to communicate with 'civilians' i end up forced to use gmail.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 22:01:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267676 << knuth also has no problem with spam. and for approximately the same reason.
asciilifeform: see also the jwz thread.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:41:27; BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah Opera/Fastmail beats the shit out of Google
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267674 << the way this works is that google silently drops messages not coming from 1) itself 2) 'blessed' usg-megacorp entities
asciilifeform: making use of brutes, in whatever capacity, is how we ended up buried in the pile of shit in which we sit.
asciilifeform: programming a computer is not building pyramid, there is no legitimate role for brute muscle.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:35:19; gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: but goddamnit I need interns. I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc over the weekend and I'm going to play around with that whenever I have free time.
asciilifeform: (but if you ~really~ like the farm, try 'ed'...)
asciilifeform: which is why there is not the option of living on a farm in the countryside. you ARE in a city, and the choice is between mexico city and tokyo. i'll take tokyo^H^H^H^Hemacs tyvm.
asciilifeform: items like 'nano' is precisely how the unix crud remained dominant among thinking people for as long as it did. it has a clean coat on the outside, and presents the illusion of hygiene, for so long as you do not care to look inside. in EXACTLY the same way as a coffin hides the decay of a corpse.
asciilifeform: which must be oh-so-clean for their removal, aha.
asciilifeform: http://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.2/BUGS << list of selected cockroaches removed from the kitchen.
asciilifeform: if i want a line feed, i will PRESS THE FUCKING HUGE KEY ON MY KBD WITH THE ARROW ON IT
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 06:13:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267299 << there is incidentally a very fine use for macros : where you're playing eulora.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267570 << this kind of 'macro' has precisely as much to do with lisp macros as microshit excel macros do. which is to say, NOTHING AT ALL. they are as closely related as cat is to chair - both have four legs, that's it
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267551 << for what, exactly ? and did the asteroid hit, or what, is there a shortage of cn speakers now?
asciilifeform: (and a thousand other now-ubiquitous concepts)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267519 << the great inventor wheatstone wanted to build a telephone grid! but, of course, using vibrating piano wire. how else.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:56:14; pete_dushenski: google mostly creates 'services' for 'free', undermines field, then mothballs and leaves a competitive void
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267505 << like a dung beetle, google does not devour anything valuable to you and i. the only possible exception might be the usenet archive
asciilifeform: but engineering is fundamentally about ~known~ constraints. and this can be achieved in, e.g., cpu design, and the whole motherfucking system, there is no magic here. microshit's greatest crime is teaching three generations of people that it ~is~ somehow magic, and unachievable. this is a crock of shit.
asciilifeform: yes, bury it in the forest for 80 years and perhaps it will leak.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267484 << this is an uncommonly poor analogy, considering that even the humble world of physical pipes is full of pipes which do not leak. trivially, e.g., a rifle barrel
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:53:02; mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel re "bind *real-eval* to nil" meh. this works in the same sense "provable code" works. in academia.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267483 << mircea_popescu: actually this is an order of magnitude tighter guarantee than ANYTHING pertaining to 'nano' or other c crapolade presently in use on your machine.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: if it's today, the spamatron must be clogged
asciilifeform: a good bit of the 'modern' www has dynamically loaded text, even, just as a pill against folks using lynx etc
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:29:01; punkman: trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << what is 'sane browser' ? if it is simply 'loads text', then mircea_popescu has it, run 'curl' ! but noooooo, you wanna read new york birdcage liner, aha ? then you're stuck with the shit soup, sorry.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:27:16; pete_dushenski: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/08/a-white-guy-named-michael-couldnt-get-his-poem-published-then-he-became-yi-fen-chou/ << "Hudson’s critics said the literary bait-and-switch was fraudulent, racist and fundamentally different from Charlotte Bronte publishing “Jane Eyre” under the name Currer Bell."
asciilifeform: most of the 'small languages' on a unix box are 'glue'. you don't need glue on a sane computer.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:04:15; trinque: BingoBoingo: I would say mr gabriel_laddel has it, that all syntaxes can be done within the lisp system, and simultaneously you find that the vast majority aren't necessary
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:57:07; gabriel_laddel: because you can always "open up" any "structure" and are guaranteed to get more of the same i.e., lisp, i.e., sexprs
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267274 << gabriel_laddel: you are speaking mostly to folks who haven't grasped lisp. sorta like showing a modern army base to medieval commander - he will not be able to see past it being 'a terrible castle, where the fuck are the walls and moats'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267236 << the path to fits-in-head STRICTLY depends on every particular thing on the machine being implemented ONCE. this includes lexer, parser, related items.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 04:33:59; gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: because there is a lot of information that needs to be sucked out of the web, and having a 'sharp' blade with which to do this will be quite valuable moving forwards.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267211 << there is unlikely more than a GB or two worth preserving, period.
shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/us/2015/09/09/john-mcafee-might-run-for-president/ <<< Wait until he gets pilled up on Xanax again and starts firing missiles at Belize.
Naphex: which users absolutely hate in the context of live video chat
Naphex: so most browsers implement webrtc; you have to rely on 3rd party video players(like vlc) or flash to decode and render the content
Naphex: web video as in the new mp4 and webrtc is pretty much useless for low-latency video streaming
Naphex: it's pretty meh, video is solved with flash and rtmp. the other interface "eye-candy" and functionality is what bogs most of it down
Naphex: use plain html5, render stuff on the fly
mircea_popescu: maybe this is retarded, but, wouldn't you be better off adding a slight delay, converting to something like gifv on the fly and relying on html5 ?
Naphex: the typical stuff when doing "webapps"
mircea_popescu: (in the year 72015 in the sense that it can be mathematially proven it won't happen before. but who knows, maybe after. patience little wanobi!)
mircea_popescu: it will converge to sense. eventually. in the year 72015.
mircea_popescu: they never will. the browser process as it exists is almost an exact mirror of the us "democracy" electroal process.
Naphex: mircea_popescu: oh man browsers still can't render the same thing properly :o
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:30:29; trinque: BingoBoingo: I would much rather download someone's signed lisp program and run that locally than have this horrible half-creature that grabs code from everywhere, tries to "sandbox" it, and runs without so much as a gpg fart in the wind
mircea_popescu: making a SECURE browser would kick so much ass... and it is not actually THAT hard. not in the sense that it's not hard, but in the sense that we have an IMMENSE advantage over everyone else, from mozilla to who have you, in the "piss on the world and light it on fire" doctrine.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:29:01; punkman: trinque: the web still exists; gotta deal with that monstrosity somehow << need a sane browser first, without JS. then we can start writing custom handlers for heathen websites that we are unable to view.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267355 << i must confess i am very much enamoured with the idea of a b-a web browser.
gribble: Memex - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memex>; Memex – DARPA's search engine for the Dark Web | Naked Security: <https://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2015/02/16/memex-darpas-search-engine-for-the-dark-web/>; Memex In Action: Watch DARPA Artificial Intelligence Search For ...: <http://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2015/04/10/darpa-memex-search- (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: the tides. There will be many more, appearing certainly first in the hands of the scientist and in small numbers."
BingoBoingo: Also actual computers, a rarity: "With machines for advanced analysis no such situation existed; for there was and is no extensive market; the users of advanced methods of manipulating data are a very small part of the population. There are, however, machines for solving differential equationsand functional and integral equations, for that matter. There are many special machines, such as the harmonic synthesizer which predicts
BingoBoingo: OLEDs how do they work? "Use chemically treated film in place of the glowing screen, allow the apparatus to transmit one picture only rather than a succession, and a rapid camera for dry photography results."
BingoBoingo: ointer is varied as it moves, the line becomes light or dark in accordance with the potential." << Are we getting spooked yet?
BingoBoingo: Laser printers etc. "Another process now in use is also slow, and more or less clumsy. For fifty years impregnated papers have been used which turn dark at every point where an electrical contact touches them, by reason of the chemical change thus produced in an iodine compound included in the paper. They have been used to make records, for a pointer moving across them can leave a trail behind. If the electrical potential on the p
BingoBoingo: s eyes, for striking improvements in stereoscopic technique are just around the corner." << This was Vannevar's design
BingoBoingo: ength. There is a built-in photocell on the walnut such as we now have on at least one camera, which automatically adjusts exposure for a wide range of illumination. There is film in the walnut for a hundred exposures, and the spring for operating its shutter and shifting its film is wound once for all when the film clip is inserted. It produces its result in full color. It may well be stereoscopic, and record with two spaced glas
BingoBoingo: "Let us project this trend ahead to a logical, if not inevitable, outcome. The camera hound of the future wears on his forehead a lump a little larger than a walnut. It takes pictures 3 millimeters square, later to be projected or enlarged, which after all involves only a factor of 10 beyond present practice. The lens is of universal focus, down to any distance accommodated by the unaided eye, simply because it is of short focal l
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Seriously read the Vannevar Bush paper. You are solving too many problems with too few tools. Classic circular saw/Hammer problem.
BingoBoingo: Pretending to thing that do not yet exist is the definition of "terminal psychosis"
BingoBoingo: <punkman> I assumed "save-as" meant a button already in my browser << Of all things Chromium on OpenBSd has this along with most other browsers
gabriel_laddel: Now, I don't *know* exactly what particular sexpr will 'click' for my program, so I'll write a few versions, find something I like and then distribute it.
gabriel_laddel: Completing the above thought (CLIMweb) : there are two obvious categories of references, those that contain (backup) the reference and those that do not. Those that do not should be of one of two types - an identifier coupled with an identity, which you can use to lookup in the WoT you can "see" and "speculative" references, e.g., some arbitary computation.
mircea_popescu is kind-of nonplussed nobody called him on the misattribution of proust's work. but anyway, twas "Bouvard et Pécuchet", and the dilemma was 30 or 34, and he settled on 30. you people need to read more literature.
mircea_popescu: iirc he settled oin 29 in the end
mircea_popescu: note that im not saying this is a good idea. i'm entirely unconvinced at the moment. but still, fwiw, iwii.
gabriel_laddel: so, for example, the notion of references on a CLIMweb running on a WoTnet
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: and wrt "hacking around until something clicks", this is the only way I know how to work on UIs and other 'finicky' programs? You certainly don't distribute this to friends who don't program.
punkman: the save-as button I have, does work in many occasions. but mostly doesn't
mircea_popescu: the only way such a thing will be published will be under a tmsr license. for obvious reasons.
mircea_popescu: punkman generally you need a decent video driver, something that does the equivalent of "print to file"
mircea_popescu: "this femlisp privileges useful work and meaningful abstractions over other verbiage that is a lot more important to us"
BingoBoingo: <punkman> save-as doesn't work << If it doesn't the problem is higher up your toolchain
mircea_popescu: nd him were worthy of being told about it. for all you know the notions of "progress and science" incumbent in the perspective you propose are so much masturbatory jizz, and in point of fact intelligent people share their thoughts exactly like a comedian shares his routine : to friends, in a social environment, for the same reasons in the same ways.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:17:33; gabriel_laddel: "On the historical evidence I shall be short. Carl Friedrich Gauss, the Prince of Mathematicians but also somewhat of a coward, was certainly aware of the fate of Galileo —and could probably have predicted the calumniation of Einstein— when he decided to suppress his discovery of non-Euclidean geometry, thus leaving it to Bolyai and Lobatchewsky to receive the flak. It is probably more illuminati
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267314 << for the record, ascribing purpose to phenomena is basically animism 2.0, and just as medieval as the other thing. for all you know gauss was not "a bit of a coward", and your p[rojection into the future whebn discussing einstein more indicative of an anachronistic mind than some sort of valuable intuition. for all you know gauss just didn't think the idiots arou
mircea_popescu: ie, the "bayesian" twerps have it all wrong. it's dumbass to try and protect an inbox with regexp, and especially their halfbaked regexp based ai
mircea_popescu: occasionally i fish through the mire, as a curiosity thing. but it's quite different
BingoBoingo: parts for a single car, and that car would have broken down on the first trip to Giza."
BingoBoingo: Especially relevant for gabriel_laddel: "Babbage, even with remarkably generous support for his time, could not produce his great arithmetical machine. His idea was sound enough, but construction and maintenance costs were then too heavy. Had a Pharaoh been given detailed and explicit designs of an automobile, and had he understood them completely, it would have taxed the resources of his kingdom to have fashioned the thousands of
BingoBoingo: trinque: Nah Opera/Fastmail beats the shit out of Google
BingoBoingo: mass of the inconsequential." << Critical application of actual hypertext
BingoBoingo: s reading might well shy away from an examination calculated to show how much of the previous month's efforts could be produced on call. Mendel's concept of the laws of genetics was lost to the world for a generation because his publication did not reach the few who were capable of grasping and extending it; and this sort of catastrophe is undoubtedly being repeated all about us, as truly significant attainments become lost in the
BingoBoingo: "Professionally our methods of transmitting and reviewing the results of research are generations old and by now are totally inadequate for their purpose. If the aggregate time spent in writing scholarly works and in reading them could be evaluated, the ratio between these amounts of time might well be startling. Those who conscientiously attempt to keep abreast of current thought, even in restricted fields, by close and continuou
trinque: the turdatron
trinque: ben_vulpes: cron job doing sa-learn on incoming spam is choking the box; while moving I have IRC up there instead of at home, proving... laggy
BingoBoingo: trinque: Fastmail.fm isn't the shittiest. Can't really endorse any email provider, but they are the least condemned as far as I know.
mircea_popescu: esp the "no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else." part.
trinque: BingoBoingo: I'm about ready to pull the plug on this server and give all smtp over to the enemy
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 01:39:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1217142 << doesn't have to be a one size fits all. but if your software can't be built, your software doesn't exist. and it is still upon you to explain how you expect users to use your thing - nobody is going to go do the guesswork of "what the author might have meant", and ESPECIALLY no sane person should ever guess what "obvious" means for anyone else
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> none of this is hard to code - you hack around until something "clicks" << this ftr is philosophically wrong. in that it reduces to the exact opposite of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=30-07-2015#1217312
gabriel_laddel: all loaded in the same proc, all with access to BLAS, CUDA etc.
gabriel_laddel: for those of you who have not seen femlisp, MGL-MAT and MJR_CALC, the full nifty of this might not be readily apparent.
ben_vulpes: what does 'master lisp proc' mean in this context? the lisp image you run continuously?
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: but goddamnit I need interns. I got maxima loaded into my master lisp proc over the weekend and I'm going to play around with that whenever I have free time.
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: you can use it iff you follow the guide
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I should actually be cutting out options right now, but I'm instead drinking and browsing the net
gabriel_laddel: ben_vulpes: I did the project, they thought it had "too many options" so I'm cutting some out
BingoBoingo: For the record this is the original and only meaningful spec for hypertext, predates LISP by two decades https://archive.is/ezrwO
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against << FYIAD, I don't need structure: I eat, hang, and burn
gabriel_laddel: whatever, the point is that the structure is available for me to make arbitrary computations against
BingoBoingo: But that means their publication MUST BE safe, crippled, non-executable characters
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them... << It is essential for WoT to exist that I can safely point at the enemy's words and bury them in sulfur
gabriel_laddel: it will evolve out of whatever the "networking" substrate ends up being and tbh, I don't see what the big deal is?
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I have a listing of programs associated with my PGP identity, you can make references to them, and people will be able to see them (or not) based on my trust relationship with them. Your "references" can be any arbitary computation, buut probably some standards will evolve (e.g., we don't check sexprs who pass some test of being a plist of the structure (:name ... :version ...)).
trinque: ah well elaborate then
trinque: gabriel_laddel has a CLOS object which represents his number of slithey toves
mircea_popescu: 50 times a day i go for it on random sites and they're too web 0.5 for it
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key" << Publication. Paper and film only have the problem that they are slow and take too much volume for their information density. Why should machines not offer a path at least as safe.
assbot: The importance of backups, from the other side. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoWpGf )
mircea_popescu: how about http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/#selection-41.0-41.15
gabriel_laddel: or "here are the sources"
gabriel_laddel: I don't see how you'll be able to reference things on WoTnet further than "the joe I know with this pub key"
trinque: what is the addressing mechanism for a world of clos objects?
trinque: gabriel_laddel: you will not have the whole internet on one machine!
mircea_popescu: (ie, that's the point of a game in the general sense : to not let you solve problems the obvious way. (which in this context would just be skill++ or something equivalent))
trinque: yep, that's sort of how I see them; this interface is butts, I would like to pretend it is not
gabriel_laddel: trinque: Right now I can press C-t m, pull up a "map" of all "research nodes" and "lessons" and right click to get a menu from which I can run the associated program.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 05:05:13; trinque: I've only so far written macros to deal with the hair of someone else's shit
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1267299 << there is incidentally a very fine use for macros : where you're playing eulora.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:43:24; fluffypony: damn the Chinese are getting desperate for profit: http://shanghaiist.com/2015/09/06/fake_paper_rice.php
BingoBoingo: How does the flow look like
gabriel_laddel: or do you want a spec for how the "dispatch" occurs?
gabriel_laddel: sorry, are you asking what the UI should look like?
trinque: this the web has, and it is why it blew up.
pete_dushenski: i think the rice was paper now
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Links displays images, Lynx is the one that doesn't
mircea_popescu: neither displays jpegs anyway
BingoBoingo: Links, lynx, and curl sure, but still how much ought these be trusted??? WIth their stinky libjpeg
BingoBoingo: I have not seen a graphical WWW browser other than Dillo that does not execute any documents.
mircea_popescu: and no, it's not ok to take the windows route and just execute everything.
mircea_popescu: the lulz being that ubuntu gedit goes "do you want this file displayed or executed ?"
trinque: strict about the URL structure or w/e it was, isn't it?
BingoBoingo: <trinque> anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today. << Gopher is beautiful
trinque: anyhow, I have made myself sleepy. I think most here would be satisfied with a simple hypertext system to replace the JS monstrosity of today.
gabriel_laddel will find nano LoC stats *after* I find the quote I am looking for.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> dunno what I'm missing here << All of the shit you want to hinge on this
gabriel_laddel: "Do I like this string, would I like more from the identity that produced it?"
gabriel_laddel: the end
pete_dushenski: google mostly creates 'services' for 'free', undermines field, then mothballs and leaves a competitive void
mircea_popescu: no wonder they stopped working on search to develop... what the fuck is it they do these days again ?
gabriel_laddel: or thereabouts
mircea_popescu: very different standards these.
mircea_popescu: whereas your thing is only maybe shot in the head if found leaking.
mircea_popescu: and if it is fouind behaving like a pipe it gets shot in the head.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: well by that token, the same stands for nano
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel re "bind *real-eval* to nil" meh. this works in the same sense "provable code" works. in academia.
trinque: various presentations for various kinds of data yes, one of them a link
pete_dushenski: “Some of them, really, is un-rapeable. I look at them and go, ‘No, you don’t want that.'” “If it was my daughter, then I would have killed Bill Cosby. But sitting back looking at it, I think it’s a money hustle.”
pete_dushenski: "[Damon] Wayans defended [Bill] Cosby. Among his comments: “I don’t believe he was raping. I think he was in relationships with all of them.” “If you listen to them talk, they go: ‘Well, the first time.’ The first time? Bitch, how many times did it happen?”
trinque: a safe hypertext system could easily be tossing sepxrs over the wire with *no* code, just piles of data
BingoBoingo: AND I am the one using ambiguous metaphores???
BingoBoingo: For a while I did girls for money, was a huge hassel, not worth it, because the girls were huge. Giggolo is a dead end.
BingoBoingo: gabriel_laddel: The difference between what you do now and what Mike Hearn does is 2013 and 2015. Mike Hearn knew his mission was to destroy through evangalism. You may no that, you may not but that is still your net effect.