ben_vulpes cannot wait for the reprise
mircea_popescu: yet nobody seems to have learned from the experience.
mircea_popescu: it's kinda funny how the 2008 festival bought TONS of "not making mortgage - get fucked" folks
mircea_popescu: in the street, dancing for nickles ?
mircea_popescu: he... he had to make the rent.
asciilifeform: generally, folks who need to MAKE THE FUCKING RENT eventually 'taci si suge.'
mircea_popescu: so did he slap the bouncer ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's when the bouncer shows you the door, aha. they had (i was told) some of these, also.
mircea_popescu: apparently the magic words of "i don't recall asking you anything" weren't invented in the us yet or something.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: sometimes he ~is~ around the corner.
ben_vulpes: you're too wrapped up in this su/germanic "omg the inquistor is right around the corner" routine
ben_vulpes: you got bought, ergo there was value.
ben_vulpes: that just speaks to the incompetence of your own managerial staff.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: when i worked, briefly, for a megacorp (it bought the little outfit i was in at the time) we were moved to a virtually EMPTY building, placed - all two dozen of us - in the middle of an EMPTY floor, having forty or so proper door-closey offices, and a flunkie was sent JUST TO WATCH THAT NO ONE MOVED INTO THEM
ben_vulpes: doors are costly because 'entrepreneurs' cannot afford the space burn on walls.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 << no, you just don't understand how actually impoverished even your nominal 'masters of the universe' actually are
asciilifeform: interestingly, the author is unknown.
mircea_popescu: clearly the internet has so much helped
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had the distinct notion that he was beheaded.
mircea_popescu: there was an efim pavlovich slavsky working for the "medium machine building" soviet nuke programme.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 17:36:44; asciilifeform: funkenstein_: since you apparently missed the whole thread, the reason is TO HAVE A PORTABLE UNIX BOX THAT EVEN SORT-OF WORKS
mircea_popescu: actually... who the fuck was "slavski" ?!
asciilifeform vaguely recalls that slansky was one of the last to be ~guillotined~ in cz
mircea_popescu: i guess they couldn't properly have called it "estic system" and be done with it
mircea_popescu: zee germans still haven't dug their way out from under the deluge of "nordic system"
asciilifeform: turns out queinnec was never there, it seems,
mircea_popescu: arguably in the same circumstances : usg derpiong finally crashed a local power sturcture, waves of ro/bg/polish/east german etc came crashing down
mircea_popescu: coincidentally - since the previous wave of orcs hit yurp.
asciilifeform: just have the right shade of skin.
asciilifeform: point being that these folks do not need to be interested in inriaism to get fat sinecures there
asciilifeform: you think they pascal at mit ?!
mircea_popescu: unless they add rape to the meaning of "automatique" i don't see the immigrants that interested in derping pascal.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: inria is sorta like their mit.
trinque: tsipras was the greek minister of used to work at valve or something
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in the exact way that, to borrow a mircea_popescuism, tsipras is greek.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:14:41; mircea_popescu: (the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:11:06; phf: that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: thing is, i would happily take the 10k for 'make sure this box stays up and does x, we don't care what you do otherwise'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:49:09; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 < actually i know of a few slovenians remoting to work for mericans pulling north of 10k/mo (which is 5 times what they would get here)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1272014 << what do they do ? and for how long ?
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 23:03:50; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271551 << there is, actually. harem. the romans you mentioned did this deliberately, it was called "veteran settlement".
pete_dushenski: "a cohort of what I would like to call the “black digital intelligentsia” has emerged. They wrestle with ideas, stake out political territory, and lead, very much in the same way that my generation did, only without needing, or necessarily wanting, a home in the Ivy League—and by making their name online."
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271589 < actually i know of a few slovenians remoting to work for mericans pulling north of 10k/mo (which is 5 times what they would get here)
williamdunne: Newton Abbot has 12 people, and I'm one of them
pete_dushenski: is the word 'pioneer' really so ambigious that michael eric dyson honestly beleebs it applies to 'black twitter's hashtag activism' ?
pete_dushenski: "“Black Twitter” may be infamous for scorning white women like Rachel Dolezal who think they are black, but it has also pioneered the idea of hashtag activism, such as #SayHerName, which highlighted the invisibility of black women in discussions of police violence in black communities, or #SolidarityIsForWhiteWomen, with its allusion to tensions between black and white feminists, to offer but two examples."
pete_dushenski: cazalla: any idea why the footnote brackets after "wrecking" show up on the preview of that last qntra article but not on the full page ?
mircea_popescu: He did whatever he could to enforce the clauses of the contract, including taking away Mary's shoes to keep her from leaving the house without permission."
mircea_popescu: "Friends were astonished that Mary allowed her house guest to control her. They were even more astonished when she showed them the contract that Heaviside had insisted she sign which, among other clauses stipulated that:
mircea_popescu: her to write to her friends and family and insist that they not visit her, he also demanded that she never leave the house without permission. The exact reason for his possessiveness is not really clear considering that he was largely asexual throughout his lifetime. Still, his brutal treatment of Mary Way or why she allowed the abuse to continue seems impossible to understand even today."
mircea_popescu: "To get Heaviside away from Newton Abbot, his brother Charles arranged for him to live with his sister-in-law, Mary Way, at her home in Devon. Since Mary lived alone, having the eccentric Heaviside live upstairs from her seemed like a good idea. Unfortunately, things got even more bizarre at that point. Heaviside insisted on treating Mary as a slave despite her being the owner of the house. Not only did he order
mircea_popescu: (the other thing is that while the audience is struggly to follow [some appear to merely struggle to appear to be struggling to follow], or to even see, brin has this very clearly cut disapproving disappointment on his face, like a major stupidity was just uttered and well... they'll never know.
cazalla: check out asian beaker in the middle
mircea_popescu: i've dealt out reprimands for moving at the wrong time etc.
phf: that's actually mikhail brin in checkered shirt on the left of the large woman in questionable outfit
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 18:20:42; asciilifeform: trinque: there is not a handy answer to 'what should culture man stuck in a dying civilization do'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271551 << there is, actually. harem. the romans you mentioned did this deliberately, it was called "veteran settlement".
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 18:17:58; asciilifeform: then they lost a war and got culturally annihilated and enslaved by the anglos.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271542 << so far the anglos seem to have come out defeated from that war.
phf: the title is "40 devils and one green fly"
phf: i remember that we were actually taught how to properly treat teachers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcZgoOyalaI amusingly i'd never seen that short on tv, it would always play during "entertainment break" when they would send us to a school movie hall to watch random stuff
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 18:07:41; asciilifeform: what great cultural products ought i look for from the sellers of crack ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla the irony being that once that's on the ground, the actual ideal the progres derp about is readily realised.
trinque: the "tech head of whatever" emailed the angry bureaucrat and explained that it was not even hacking
cazalla: some students earn A's while others can only earn C's type of thing we have here, whereas in public high school - all must strive to earn A's while none actually can
trinque: they wanted to expel me for that one
trinque: thing supposedly prevented double voting in the UI but just posted http integers somewhere
cazalla: i regret that high school was not similar to this place.. come each day because i want to as do other students as do other teachers, actually learn something type of thing
trinque: I once found a trivial flaw in a java applet some idiot put together for a "mock 2004 presidential election"
phf: but the whole punishment lasted maybe half hour! "the incident has been noted in your personal file", not even parents called
mircea_popescu: ah such great country names for a book these'd be. checkoslavia. yugoslovakia. austrogermany.
kakobrekla: bomb the fuckers you know?
kakobrekla: >throwing those into teachers from the top of a entrance < o yeah i did that too. only in elementary.
mircea_popescu: trinque well yeah, because the usg has figured that hey, we don't keep males for the herds of goats, sheep, cattle etc except maybe 1:100. with modern insemination techniques more like 1:500. why should we keep so many males in human herd ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: that was the thing criminalized at my public school, certainly
mircea_popescu: just as long as they don't get carried away.
cazalla: trinque, i threatened to shoot a bunch of kids at my school via icq.. made front page of local rag and blurred out face on local tv, no name though :\ probably get 10 years like that isis kid these days
mircea_popescu: fine and quite healthy for adolescent boys to have planned out how to massacre the lot of them.
mircea_popescu: yeah, cause the teacher was this "placeholder enemy" of sorts. like cats play with the nail sharpening pole.
phf: we brought these all through highschool, http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Osxvvm0Yu74/hqdefault.jpg i actually do have a note in my "personal file" for throwing those into teachers from the top of a entrance
cazalla: flogged.. took a while for me to figure out my father did that not for anything related to taking the screwdriver to school
trinque: my friend was busted for precisely that, some kind of "cyber terrorism" for sending a joke threat email with the headers changed to look like it came from faculty
cazalla: i brought a screwdriver in the early 90s.. confiscated, parents called
mircea_popescu: brought an airgun to school, and shot a nutsized hole in the blackboard.
mircea_popescu: but the real difficulty, is explaining the actual reality to people who already have been suplied a falsificating convention to misinterpret it with. like the case above discussed with the purpose of the railcar pushing face.
trinque: we got into some fun of that nature in the last two years. one can learn a lot about computers bored as hell in TX public school, if he's awake
trinque: and only in the mornings
mircea_popescu: just wasn't physically there.
phf: there's no equivalent in u.s., i've not seen anything remotely similar yet anyway. particularly those dedicated "nerd schools"
mircea_popescu: out of these much too disparate elements i scarcely see how one who no fue ya could construct something whole in his head.
mircea_popescu: academically, it would be ivy league college. sexually, it would be u of arizona during spring break. socially it would be prison, except with regards to the adults it would be the 1960s paris uprising.
mircea_popescu: cazalla from what i gather he went to russian public school in the 80s, which im sure is very close to romanian public school in the 80s, which has absolutely zero to do with anything you might call school in any perspective.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, perhaps, mine was a shitty public school, missus was exclusive private and seems to be that is just another type of bezzle (all students must go to uni to get loaded up on debt type thing)
pete_dushenski: you guys are the best :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: cazalla note tho, that the school he went to, and the school you went to, were very different beasts. i suspect you'd have loved his.
mircea_popescu: well yeah. so that fixed formal pillar is WHAT ALLOWED benefit in the pursuit of "learning 3dmax"
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah pretty much, could've left in 1997 but they managed to stretch it out to 1999
phf: i've cut classes plenty, but i don't think i've ever even contemplated quitting school, what am i going to do, sell lavash? it was kind of understood that people who were pushed out (never nobody quit because they wanted to) were losers
mircea_popescu: cazalla specialised timewasters these people huh.
pete_dushenski: this failing to compute really is through and through with usians, right from basic algebra up to software, hardware, the whole gammut, etfc.
cazalla: gotta go through bezzlar wringer of naughty boy schools, career counselling and other make work positions before principal gets the parents in the office mircea_popescu ,least that was my experience
mircea_popescu: principal calls parents over, ifnorms them that you told him you intend to quit school and he agrees, and you're henceforth expelled from all schools forever.
mircea_popescu: had you just quit school to focus on your learning 3dmax full time like the retarded us kids, your dad'd have had your hide.
pete_dushenski: "why own x when you can make payments for the rest of your life!" (tm)
mircea_popescu: phf and there's nothing wrong with the process per se, as a distraction. but you have to admit the only way it was an acceptable behaviour when you were 16 was because YOU ALSO WENT OT SCHOOL.
pete_dushenski: fuck stupid americans and their monthly everything payments
pete_dushenski: not cheap either eh
mircea_popescu: and to settle this once and for all : http://minigame.bz/download_button.png << say i want this. here's the gimp script that does it : http://dpaste.com/22S0MW2 it's 20 years old by now. show me the ps equivalent.
phf: i've realized that a lot of my systems anxiety comes from trying to be "filthy casual" with a lot of technology i have no business in. in my case comes from 90s tradition of buying all manner of pirated software on the way home from school. "today i'll learn 3ds max and tomorrow autocad"
pete_dushenski: is there a cloud photoshop now ?
cazalla: gimp is pimp in otherwords and no fucking around with adobe activation and t3h cloud ver of photoshop
mircea_popescu: yet somehow the point that there is no possibility of value even outside of gimp stays elusive. yet it's the same damned thing.
mircea_popescu: people find it uncontroversial that lamp amp is better than cpu amp. i've seen people gush over 1990s state of the art computerized algebraic systems.
pete_dushenski: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shTHYYg5050 << if you're not up for gimp, there's always 'ipad pro' with 'pencil' ;/
mircea_popescu: but those people are "lest concern" as they say about overrepresented, nuisance species.
mircea_popescu: yes, it's true that for a majority of people out there, the existence of the sandwich would stay a mystery lest they saw it drawn on a key on their cash register.
mircea_popescu: in other words, the only people who benefit from the "easier to use" iconographic interface of mcdonalds cash register are both illiterate and noit actually involved in the restaurant business.
mircea_popescu: it doesn't work for "filthy casual" that wishes to pretend like he's doing serious work while really not doing much of anything. but otherwise, if you are actually goin gto do serious work, it is by far a better use of your time to work the parenscripts of gimp into the shape you need them to be with the guarantee you will be agle to get there,
mircea_popescu: so then.
asciilifeform: i suppose this could be on the planet in poul anderson's 'brainwave.' but not on earth.
mircea_popescu: so teach the girl.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:41:58; mircea_popescu: see, this is the problem. we go around like we're all people and shit. but then some of us go home to where we know what fractals are, and some of us go to whatever that is, where they don't.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271113 << this. with the added step that some of us go to little outpost of 'where we do', surrounded by a gigantic soul-sucking vacuum of where nobody ever could remotely wish to. and hope that the airlock doesn't fail.
mircea_popescu: which would be "the face you make while being engaged in war" not "the very face you shoot at people"
mircea_popescu: in english the bias is more towards gunnery sgt hartmann's "gimme your war face".
asciilifeform: i can't picture it any other way
mircea_popescu: somehow this doesn't carry in translation, but in the original the very strong implicit bias is that the pushing is to be done with the very face in question.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:28:45; mircea_popescu: the geometric notion of the point, and the geometric notion of a line, and the geometric notion of a plane, and the geometric notion of wolfram's mother impaled on a triple cheeseburger ALL SATISFY THIS DEFINITION
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271097 << maths are not for the 'agricultural faces.'
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:57:48; mod6: not even close to done yet, but these ascii graphs look kinda neat: http://dpaste.com/3DBXKQX.txt
asciilifeform: one of the few and abortive lisp strongholds in eu
mircea_popescu: well the comparison is u of maryland
mircea_popescu: https://gnunet.org/ev << relatively little relation to rms/fsf. our friends the diddled in diddly-germany.
mircea_popescu: in a very peculiar sense that includes the sea, which is a large part of why i think la tera trema such a major point in art.
mircea_popescu: you're thinking the people.
asciilifeform: if ca were to drown overnight, it could extend the empire's lease on life by many years...
mircea_popescu: meanwhile california is just about to fall into the fucking ocean. oddly enough. problems it didn't have as a "failed state", it has in abundance as a whatever it is.
mircea_popescu: aha. what state has failed ? austro hungary failed. soviet russia failed. soon the us will have failed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: everybody was in the fscking church
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well i didn't take you to the subway and i guess you didn't have the curiosity to go on own hm.
asciilifeform: 'the art of not being governed' was half about this and specifically this.
mircea_popescu: look that iraq is still there.
mircea_popescu: look that sicily hasn't fallen into the ocean, like syria hasn't, like etc.
mircea_popescu: you can obviously either have independence or the fake growth of govt sponsored ponzi participation.
assbot: Logged on 11-09-2015 10:00:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-09-2015#1269929 << that's rank nonsense, but the exact discussion of why and how "studies" about sicily aren't worth the paper they're printed on is too long for me now
mircea_popescu: and it goes directly to the previously hinted thing re sicily, ie http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=11-09-2015#1270273
mircea_popescu: well, the romanians have ipods like any other marginal civilised place : well in excessd of need.
asciilifeform predicts that all orcs happily form queues when they are issued 'ipNohe'
mircea_popescu: no, they aren't. theyt're exactly the grade of orc ukrainians are. except here they have good steak and there they have good whore.
asciilifeform: there are different grades of orc, no?
mircea_popescu: for instance, the argentinians : they are definitely orcs. they queue perfectly well.
mircea_popescu: the notion that a queue is an acceptable situation is more enmitous to humanity than any other mental device.
asciilifeform: the one with 'height of tallest structure that can be built'
asciilifeform: where was that mircea_popescu article about the old jail
asciilifeform: the freedom to brownian-motion ?
asciilifeform: what do they lose, from it
asciilifeform: witness the orderly queues of tokyo
asciilifeform: strikes me as the classic orc/human divide
mircea_popescu: the girl, being too young, thinks this is a bad thing, because romanians are thus so observably different from the "more civilised" assorted cattles of europe.
mircea_popescu: i'll tell you what it did. allow me to bring the illustration, one second.
asciilifeform: or did the spores left behind suffice to re-create 90% of it.
asciilifeform: how did that go in ro? are there no plankton today ? no ponzi ?
mircea_popescu: but whatever, this point needn't be decided theoretically now, seeing how it'll be decided practically in just a few years anyway.
mircea_popescu: the govt sponsored ponzis are not economies to begin with.
mircea_popescu: "Taler is thus a currency for the mainstream economy, and not the black market." lmao ok. here's a news tidbit : so called "black market" IS the mainstream economy.
mircea_popescu: im not bothering with rms anymoar. prolly like the libc improvements, he doesn't understand what it is and whatever, more words to put on website
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i said 'does not cleanly compile', that is, requires a runtime component, rather than 'does not compile'
asciilifeform: have capitulated. (or this is implied, i have not asked them why it is 'part of gnu project)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is kinda why i was mocking the "lisp as its own thing" thing days back
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: the usg-approved, built-in-tax-collector-and-stoolie altcoin is finally rolled out. << lmao "taler", who the fuck came up with that one. but anyway, no. they are weak and know they're weak. throwing shit at wall to see if maybe sticks but in no case admitting ownership. so... no.
asciilifeform: scheme with continuations (call-with-current-continuation aka call/cc) doesn't cleanly compile to the c-machine.
phf: or the little lisper for that matter
mircea_popescu: then execute it with itself as parameter
phf: right, there are different namespaces for different kinds of data, like $ is a scalar, @ is a collection, & is a callable, i'm sure other things i forget
phf: $_=sub() {print 'hello';} but then $_->() to call
mircea_popescu: should be fun to see merkel try and tax them.
mircea_popescu: no, the local boys don't need zee german. they are perfecty of age, and perfectly capable to split the goods themselves, which includes the women, which includes his wife.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 21:09:39; mircea_popescu: gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear)
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 22:33:02; assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 14:16:12; assbot: Logged on 10-12-2014 00:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had an article (or perhaps a thread here? but can't seem to find it...) about an archetypical u.s. expat. fellow keeps a pub somewhere in thailand, or cambodia, etc. the locals - drink for free. he fancies that if he begins to run out of dough, he can always start charging. but somehow in the back of his head
mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/hAj0gCT << very illustrative in the vein of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-09-2015#1262882
phf: it's a pointer alright, but if you were to store a function in there, you have to use special syntax to execute it
mircea_popescu: the idea being exactly reproducibility.
mircea_popescu: gavrea, whom i've recently mentioned, had a very similar saying to distinguish between the "mathematical understanding" as described by funkenstein and the genuine article, by using the difference between the romanian words muzician (musician) and muzicant (roughly speaking, illiterate gypsy that can play by ear)
asciilifeform: but yes, it is the ultimate in obfuscation and nobody-knows-what-the-fuck-the-machine-does
asciilifeform: and yes, it is mandated (though one may be able to pull some odd trick with the evaluator and snip it, i would be the last to know)
asciilifeform: larry wall is a very interesting fella. he's a linguist by trade (actually by avocation, he's a crackpot missionary for some church or other)
mircea_popescu: is support mandated throughout the whole namespace ? can i assume randomfunction knows of $_ ?
mircea_popescu: why is this there, convenience ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://perlmaven.com/the-default-variable-of-perl << it
asciilifeform: like the 'implicit variable'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's another way to say im inefficient :)
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:52:48; ben_vulpes: Using 'if' or the ternary operator as a function is quite common in perl. Using data structures to control flow is common in perl. Trying to learn C# after learning perl was like running head first into a brick wall. I'm really glad this guy is trying to make programming a bit more perl-like."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271293 << ironically these are all the reasons i never moved from bash to perl.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 15:49:14; ben_vulpes: i do dream of having a workstation though, and the lifestyle to support it.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271285 << i hear emplacing a workstation is the first step to building a Dark Spire of Darnkess, from which as we all know all atomic dirigibles must proceed.
asciilifeform works with items such as logic analyzer, pc emulators, etc. and ~needs~ 16-32 GB of ram, for instance, and the fastest cpu available. and yes, it has to be portable.
mircea_popescu: what, you needed to render the film of fucking stoya in your hotel room ?
asciilifeform: ah but there is.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing magical about "portable"
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is this guy again ?
asciilifeform: mein fuhrer, revoke the untermenschen scum's winblowz licenses !
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 20:38:00; mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 14:01:44; nubbins`: there's a Lemmings-esque game out for Wii U and 3DS; purchase one version and get a free download code for the other version
mircea_popescu: ontogenesis repeats all the accidents of phylogenesis in a distorted, cursed form.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-09-2015#1271268 <<< fuicking americans. "i name this land This Land it is therefore my own now".
mircea_popescu: which is to say, fucking divination and assorted theatrical bullshit.
mircea_popescu: so they ended up with an exact equivalent of "idiosyncratic medium, creative artistry"
mircea_popescu: for the reason discussed! no access to verifiable, predictable small parts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point re peripueral fever is important. see, the people DIDNT KNOW pottery is no good for reuse. so couldn't get to chemistry. guess why ?
mircea_popescu: dude, nobody had to wait for glass to do chemistry either
asciilifeform: but nobody had to wait for the proggy to do this, all thinking people have done it always.
asciilifeform: then yes.
mircea_popescu: the magic of fully inclusive simplicity.
asciilifeform: there are no guarantees of correctness, only provenance.
mircea_popescu: but V is the best simulation of how actual math learning happens (in those brains actually capable to learn math) that we ever had as a fucking species.
mircea_popescu: now if only i was in prison and i had the fucking undisturbed time to actually do this.
mircea_popescu: which... you know, i slept on this, and it occurs to me that ACTUAL MATHEMATICS might be the perfect thing to implement over V.
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 13:59:29; asciilifeform: shinohai: supposedly 'foreign devil's shill worked for american corp under false pretences, stealing everything and laughing all the way to the bank'
asciilifeform: hence the laughter.
phf: me neither, but i thought that was norm. also makes me think that bullpen programming offices are a conspiracy
asciilifeform: but i suspect that we all have requirements that seem equally nonsensical to other people.
asciilifeform: me neither.
asciilifeform: can't help but wonder if they belonged to him.
asciilifeform: phf: interestingly, around the time dr. b retired, i fished a full ru set of knuth's aop from the library's garbage bin, along with a few dozen other (some, crumbling from age) maths texts, also ru