assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:46:37; thestringpuller: need more cult members
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273980 << like eulora needs more noob players. the thing is... very +EV to play as a noob.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:45:47; ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!!
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273976 <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ?
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:22:28; kakobrekla: imma guess we are phucked without standard hw. also phucked with (for other obvious reasons)
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:20:33; ascii_field: trinque: my understanding is that mircea_popescu would like a linux that is analogous to what we did with therealbitcoin. where the tree is frozen, all arguably-superfluous things are jettisoned, and any further changes must come from wot folk.
pete_dushenski: but i'm off into the meat. later gang!
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i used to follow the "press" links in here. now i mostly ignore them. shit's unreadable.
mircea_popescu: or w/e it is. trinque where does the recipe or whatever it is live ? link ?
pete_dushenski: this is perhaps a personal and public castigation of myself, and a reminder to future me not to click on the clickbait!
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:17:44; asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/half-uk-banknotes-used-to-fund-shadow-economy << mega-l0l
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: plz no more links to 'the guardian', i'm begging you. you post something, i start digging, and i end up woefully riled up at the rampant and despotic idiocy of that once fair island
mircea_popescu: (in practice he'll warn you this makes it a bearer instrument. which is not technically correct, but conveys the point.)
mircea_popescu: because odds are you'll go back to the clerk to fix it for you and he'll be... WELL WHY THE FUCK DID YOU NOT USE THE SAFEGUARD
mircea_popescu: obviously the fact that the road is observably long and the first steps haven't been made is somewhat concerning
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:15:09; ascii_field: this, incidentally, is ~the~ bar for formalization. IFF you can do it on a computer, then ~possibly~ you really have a formal handle on the mechanics. but NOT before then.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273906 ?<< ofcourseitis! that's why i even mention it. much like the "well, if we wanna change blocks, THESE things need to be looked at". if you want "formal systems", here you start.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a proggy, that actually does most mathematical manipulations formally described in any book.
kakobrekla: >slot to put an intended name in < i can put a space in that field when in online bank as it should not be blank - and it works. i wonder if this would pass a bank worker. "no no, i did write empty spaces there"
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2015 06:27:51; mircea_popescu: "Fractal -- from Wolfram MathWorld mathworld.wolfram.com/Fractal.html A fractal is an object or quantity that displays self-similarity, in a somewhat technical sense, on all scales. The object need not exhibit exactly the same structure ..."
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:14:29; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273671 << the closest thing presently existing is 'mathematica'.
pete_dushenski: and $1k is news because it caters to the masses of improverished minds and souls
mircea_popescu: dude the guardian is ever less attention worthy.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is ~1k news ?
mircea_popescu: and whenever a new ditz was hired to do paperwork, and she fucked this up, the bank rep would call me to fix it.
assbot: I have lost £760 by mistyping a single digit … and Nationwide won’t give it back | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OUcFMH )
pete_dushenski: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/mistype-digit-nationwide-lost-money << ref/
mircea_popescu: (which is chiefly why they give you a slot to put an intended name in)
mircea_popescu: but as it is, the payment won't clear (ie, won't leave sending bank to go to receiving bank) unless the name and number match.
pete_dushenski: maybe 'the guardian' just wants to inform more tards of their unpreparedness for crypto. not a bad service, i guess (tm)
mircea_popescu: in my entire busienss experience something of that description happened exactly once ; it was a customer of MY SAME BANK using the short form slips they have (not the full iban, just the acct #) and sent money to me instead of his intended recipient. the bank asked me if i am releasing it, which i did, and it was done the same day.
asciilifeform: it isn't even secret in the usual sense
pete_dushenski: "Last year I intended to transfer £760 from the Halifax to my Nationwide account. Unfortunately, I mistyped a digit of the account number and the money went to a stranger." << another anton
asciilifeform: because 95%+ of the firmware consists of 'pokes' to set magic registers.
mircea_popescu: contrary to the more or less agreement seems to be (video) i suspect raid may be a worse tarpit.
mircea_popescu: then portugal and spain, told, were poor.
asciilifeform: the likely objective was 'keep the other louts from getting rich and cancelling mine'
mircea_popescu: finding el dorado and RUNNING OFF with a chunk of gold you found in the street is NOT how you get rich.
mircea_popescu: somehow this point is very hard to grok for the DKs.
mircea_popescu: " I readily understand the vanity involved, nevertheless let me point out to you that it's actually to your detriment to attempt to separate yourself from the source of things you like. "
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the day one of these ~mentions where he got the idea~ i will probably have to fly to the office on my pig.
mircea_popescu: and forgets to mention where he got the idea. and OF COURSE to no very constructive end.
asciilifeform: http://ledgerjournal.org/ojs/index.php/ledger << s0mebody reads the logz, rips off deedbot
assbot: Half of UK banknotes used to fund shadow economy | Money | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1OU9xRa )
asciilifeform: http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/sep/15/half-uk-banknotes-used-to-fund-shadow-economy << mega-l0l
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ok so then ?!
mircea_popescu: heck, are the mls even still visible from this ever-so-useful www
mircea_popescu: but read the fucking old ml, nobody goes "here, try this binary", it's always "add this, recompile, say what happens"
mircea_popescu: what did you want them to do, github ?!
asciilifeform: i'm talking about source being THE supported package installation mechanism.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mno. FUCK running other people's binaries.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: and you watched married with children ?? they showed this in romania ?
mircea_popescu: women change. that's the essence of womanhood.
mircea_popescu: a bimbo is the sort of woman that will drop a hot cast iron pot on your foot sending you to hospital for six weeks because you offered her flowers.
mircea_popescu: christina applegate did the definitive bimbo.
mircea_popescu: except of course if one's the sort of sexually frustrated guy that lives on a boat with a broken down engine
asciilifeform: in usa that is more or less what the word means
asciilifeform: ^ from the dept. of orl0lz
mircea_popescu: (if i actually lived there and was doing a dc business, 100% what i'd call it.)
asciilifeform: buttocks to join in holy matrimony. But the Supreme Court seems game for such tweaks, and, as an added benefit, when time comes for Mr. Trump to divorce (as it invariably has), the Pope would be only too happy to annul such a union.'
asciilifeform: oesn't amount to muchbut, more specifically, her amazing ass. She has a stunning derrière that I am sure will make America feel proud again. Further, I propose that Trump marry her ass, and make a sort of national royal ass-family. She'd be the Vice-Prezz and the First Lady-Asskilling two birds with one ass, if you will! Yes, it would require another tweak to the marriage laws to make it possible for a man and a woman's
asciilifeform: ''So here are five perfectly good reasons why Trump would make one fine Prezz. But he needs a running mate. Now, wouldn't it be a fine thing to have a woman Vice-Prezz? It's been two election cycles since a spectacularly dumb bimboSarah Palincame within a few percentage points of the Vice-Prezzidency; maybe it's time to try again. And so I propose Kim Kardashian as Trump's running mate. Not Kim Kardashian herselfshe d
asciilifeform wonders whether nigeria might have one
mircea_popescu: nah, no us, no china, no russia. let the non-idiots have a chance.
mircea_popescu: perhaps to have the same conversation pre-xmas.
mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the point of study isn't "memorize this list of bugs"
asciilifeform: in a sense this was study, just not of a kind anyone would wish for. i.e. i could re-make the thing if it burned down.
mircea_popescu: the notion that "study is just another kind of work" belongs in the same burning pile with "paper is just another kind of money"
asciilifeform: entirely medieval. but no different from, say, studying mathematics.
mircea_popescu: the fucking idea is to get POSITIVE leverage for crying out loud
mircea_popescu: aha. this, incidentally. it's fucking medieval, you know, for man to work a day and at the end of it to have less than a day's work to show for it.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:33:33; mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:44:58; mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274437 << if 'it does not need to serve any practical function', then mircea_popescu is in luck! i already have this system! it is even a lisp machine! >>>>> http://www.loper-os.org/?p=405
mircea_popescu: (unlike adults, infants do not have a means of protection and so the bacterium can inhabit their gut and poison them.)
mircea_popescu: there was a time, actually, botulism killed more people than disentery.
pete_dushenski: prolly just them
mircea_popescu: the difference between "at mercy of parasites" and "reasonably healthy" is strictly predicated on "not commensal with beasts of the field"
mircea_popescu: not eating with the animals is a very important health practice
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mircea_popescu: it does not need to serve any practical function other than, allowing people so willing to set the bozo bit on the idiot club.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 17:06:01; ascii_field: something that, were it to exist, would let #b-a folks set the bozo bit on the rest of the so-called linux komyooniti
pete_dushenski: i was toiling under the impression that it was the 's' was the british spelling and 'c' the american
pete_dushenski: til : In many parts of the English speaking world (UK, Ireland, Australia, Canada, and South Africa) “practice” is the noun, “practise” the verb.
pete_dushenski: i obviously care neither for moyle nor two sets of dishes, but plenty of people believe in childish fractals
mircea_popescu: yeah, the thing's going away.
pete_dushenski: the parts, that is
pete_dushenski: i dunno where the el apostrophe comes from, to be honest
mircea_popescu: and if it can't drive a 10,000 x 5,000 pixel array at reasonable frame rate << how did you get the numbers asciilifeform ? for instance, shouldn't it be 16:9 ? so then why not 16000 : 9000 ? 8000:4500 ?
mircea_popescu: [by virtue of nobody else being on that same island] apparently nobody wants to burn him at the stake!
mircea_popescu: much to his surprise, the blowback is significantly less thgan what he had expected!
mircea_popescu: usg is roughly in the position of the guy lost on a deserted island, who comes out of the closet, toi the rocks and the palm trees.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273864 << that is a large part of it. nobody (but dead souls) was using it anyway. and so the absent reaction to the admission is, "Hey, they accepted it!11".
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:32:52; shinohai: I wish I had known about this place during the TradeFortress brouhaha. I called that one 6 months prior.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:27:56; shinohai: fluffypony: "Seriously, wtf. even a retard can put the wallet.dat on DropBox and be 99% safer than this." <<< LOLZ
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 16:23:57; thestringpuller: why not just build delivery into the contract as a fail-safe...
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273847 << cuz at the time it wasn't exactly clear how this'd work (as the contract is a future on a yet nonexistent pair) and cuz i wanted it to be a negotiable instrument rather than a specified thing, specifically because that sort of vague future deal requires some room to wiggle.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: So the people in #bitcoin-xt have <<< i'm like wtf, srsly ? /join #bitcoin-xt turns out there's one other guy there and williamdunne made the chan. lol. mkay.
punkman: Reporter: I feel like I ruin the IT guy's day every time I have to ask for something. Editor: No, all his days are like that.
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user shinohai to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=shinohai&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 03:41:50; trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment
cazalla: ya gonna have to get in the wot Vexual, no longer am i doing this pm and !up business
phf: a low hanging fruit that still satisfies ascii's requirements of 50000 package dependencies would be to build a linux substrate with a sane .config and userspace, which has all the necessary components to host pkgsrc
phf: pkgsrc is another option, besides ebuild. they have some equivalent of use flags. i used it to run a unix stack on mac os x (fvwm, firefox, x11 emacs, etc.)
trinque: but without a market we have no fucking clue what the cost of this work is
trinque: anyhow, perhaps someone will offer to sell his time maintaining something through the deedbot- buy/sell board I'm hacking on at the moment
asciilifeform: barely buy a turd from the sidewalk.
asciilifeform: and that the things people turn out to be, in practice, actually willing to spend,
asciilifeform: the point i was trying to make,
trinque: and then if nobody buys it, doesn't get done
asciilifeform: what does 'maintenance of the ebuild' entail ?
trinque: could start with maintenance of the "ebuild" and nothing further; it really depends on the revenue
asciilifeform: this presumably includes somehow meaningfully vetting the published patches ?
trinque: or whatever the conditions may be
asciilifeform: just the fact of it continuing to build ?
asciilifeform: where does the money in this market come from ?
trinque: there's some market within which to purchase and trade this company's time
asciilifeform: whereby this would be something other than a charity
asciilifeform: trinque: what are the actual economics you have in mind ?
asciilifeform: meaning that certain things can only be done effectively by folks who spend all or most of their time on them.
trinque: you could sell options.. perhaps someone wants to know he can get his package into the 3rd quarter release when it comes around, but his release date might slip
trinque: heh, starts to look sort of like the blocksize thing and transaction fees
trinque: perhaps you could do a bidding system whereby packages are bid into the next release
trinque: I'd pay a guy like the gentleman that used to package Slackware a reasonable fee per release
asciilifeform: the hard part is to make something that is a meaningful improvement in more than a strictly-hygienic sense
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mod6 therealbitcoin www points out, correctly, that certain patches (e.g., asciilifeform_tx-orphanage_amputation.patch) are considered experimental; but asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch is pretty much mandatory - node will not sync without it, afaik.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 00:59:09; mircea_popescu: the real question is why the fuck would she want to go back.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273358 << because that's where they fill your rice bowl??? think, why did i go back to usa after conf3 ?
trinque: thestringpuller: why isn't this guy here?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 01:18:17; thestringpuller: asciilifeform: https://nick-black.com/dankwiki/index.php/Hack_on << ever heard of him
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274238 "Freedom means a hardline anti-Apple stance. Fight the Disneyfication of computing!" <<< love this
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: i take it back, the linked item is new to me and potentially interesting.
asciilifeform: back in the bad old days.
asciilifeform: snore, yet-another-linux-with-buncha-pentest-toolz-preinstalled.
thestringpuller: the one day for me not to have amphoros
shinohai: WE THE PEOPLES!
shinohai: Maybe if we get enough upvotes guise, the Judge will feel remorse and overturn the sentence!
trinque: shinohai: obama will surely pardon ulbricht after enough awareness is raised by these freedom fighters.
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkNetMarkets/comments/3kx2ai/police_judges_and_other_law_enforcement_officers/
shinohai: Bitcoin Jesus comes down from heaven to spread the gospel to the darknet netizens https://redd.it/3kx2a
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: "Use a bag to travel that has never been to the hospital and carry proof that you are a physician."
BingoBoingo: "A 79-year-old female presented to the emergency department (ED) from home with acute mental status changes over a period of one hour. Family reported this to be in the midst of bowel prep for a routine colonoscopy that was to take place the following day."
ascii_field: mats: aha. these are also exposed in libgcrypt.
mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode
gernika: ascii_field: strange to hear - as my memory of my experience reading it sometime in junior high school was that of complete enthrallment. But then again - who is a 13 year old to judge?
gernika: ascii_field: Ah. 1984 had been out for almost 10 years by that point. Perhaps it had not yet had an impact either.
assbot: IRS: We're Too Corrupt And Incompetent To Handle $100 Million Checks | The Daily Caller ... ( http://bit.ly/1UQeRvL )
ascii_field: gernika: a good bit of his non-fictional writing was not yet published then.
assbot: Logged on 13-09-2015 04:22:30; *: asciilifeform just popped a crate with ~2kg of orwell. before anyone asks, no, nothing like even 20% of his output is on the net. in the 1968 four-volume set, there is perhaps 90% of it.
gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been.
ascii_field: the fourth half - reverse-engineer hardware.
ascii_field: the third half will write device drivers
phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks*
ascii_field: http://secgroup.dais.unive.it/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Practical-Padding-Oracle-Attacks-on-RSA.html << did we ever do these here ?
phf: trinque: re lisp rps, you might want to look at cmucl's WIRE and REMOTE packages, https://common-lisp.net/project/cmucl/doc/cmu-user/ipc.html. while you can send sexps over the wire and slime/swank do it by sending readable forms in netstring format, you start running into issues when you need to ipc opaque blobs, like lambdas, hashtables or clos instances. cmucl's ipc solves all those issues, unfortunately married to cmucl. i think it woul
ascii_field: but otherwise ok
ascii_field: i'd fix the url
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: describe as what they are, win7 and 8 boxen
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Would it really be accurate to describe the things as computers?
phf: i'm not sure if this is special pleading, or a case of a stranger using the technology he doesn't understand to shoot own foot. in the future perhaps expect more "but i'm me i have a passport from obama" people
ascii_field: mircea_popescu was right, you can instantly smell usg pheromone because it invariably forces the exact same retardation EVERY TIME
ascii_field: 'nocrypto uses bits of C, similarly to other cryptographic libraries written in high-level languages. This was actually less of a performance concern, and more of a security one: for the low-level primitives which are tricky to implement and for which known, compact and widely used code already exists, the implementation is probably better reused. The major pitfall we hoped to avoid that way are side-channel attacks.' <<
ascii_field: but otherwise yes
phf: sing position very clear. i'm perplexed by osika's stuborn and persistent refusal to understand that what he's proposing goes contrary to core tenants, rather then some minor aside that needs further clarification.
phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both make the underlying uncompromi
thestringpuller: "they diddled are key generators!"
thestringpuller: hey it'll be a fun experiment either way
thestringpuller: they would use tools after hours without permission
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output. << Cleanroom is the easy part. Staff and actually packaging are far harder
trinque: and Charlie Rose well represents the assumption that the rest of the world should see themselves as subject to the USA
trinque: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOhlb_t0QbQ << interesting interview with Putin; as an American I found it an interesting peek into the mind of the man
thestringpuller: but tbh the drivers on linux suck balls
thestringpuller: only if linux had the same entertainment support windows has
trinque: chetty: the beoble loff 'im
trinque: ascii_field: but no, this does take the bizarro-land cake
trinque: they will pull down app updates automagically for you; maybe you have to turn it on
trinque: apple's turds do the same thing
ascii_field: 'He continued: “I know of two instances where people on metered connections went over their data cap for August because of this unwanted download. My own internet (slow DSL) was crawling for a week or so until I discovered this problem. In fact, that’s what led me to it. Not only does it download, it tries to install every time the computer is booted.”'
ascii_field: trinque: it is an openly-advertised (read the fine print) back orifice
trinque: nsa must have something really good in there
ascii_field: An INQUIRER reader pointed out to us that, despite not having 'reserved' a copy of Windows 10, he had found that the ~BT folder, which has been the home of images of the new operating system since before rollout began, had appeared on his system. He had no plans to upgrade and had not put in a reservation request.'
ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
ascii_field: 'MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo original source - http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2425381/microsoft-is-downloading-windows-10-to-your-machine-just-in-case
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: two others are xfab and lfoundry apparently
ascii_field: how many transistors on the die?
trinque: several sources online chattering about mosis being in the "several 10s of k" range
ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair.
ascii_field: and it counts as fulfilling the contract.
ascii_field: need a clean room and full-time staff to make use of the output.
trinque: here's where I found the convo http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/7042/how-much-does-it-cost-to-have-a-custom-asic-made
ascii_field: last i saw, it gets you NO MOUNTING (you need a cleanroom of your own to mount the dies), NO TESTING, and 1970-level transistor counts.
trinque: mosis.com was the one I found somebody talking about getting a run done for a few k
punkman: did the various internet chatters make anything?
trinque looks for the links
ascii_field: the correct thing to do with each of those programs is to de-unixize and eventually de-os-ize them.
trinque: I'd build a dedicated box solely for using gossipd, browsing the WoTnet, running bitcoind, and very little else
ascii_field: aka the 'no, mr bond, we expect you to DIE!' school of problem-solving.
assbot: Logged on 19-08-2015 00:18:24; asciilifeform: cabbie: 'this ford is a piece of shit. stalled again.' mircea_popescu: 'i have a solution!' cabbie: 'oh???111' mircea_popescu: 'here, have this broomstick.' cabbie: 'how do i drive customers on that, feed my family' mircea_popescu: 'you misunderstand, my good man. you stuff it in your arse.' cabbie: 'and... how does this feed by family?' mircea_popescu: 'no, you sit there with it in.'
thestringpuller: can we be in cryo sleep until then?
ascii_field: and gathers enough interest. etc.
ascii_field: picture if someone offered to cut off your arms, but promised to regrow them 10x stronger cell by cell.
ascii_field: then it does me no good.
trinque: obviously cannot solve the whole world at once
ascii_field: who will maintain them? you?
ascii_field: trinque: for the 50,000 or so packages which i use ?!?!!
ascii_field: poetteringisms, drepperisms, the whole lot.
ascii_field: for something touted as 'de-shitgnomized' unix, openbsd is uncommonly eager to pull the crud along
trinque: openbsd kernel seems to lack all the virtualization, containerization, ...
ascii_field: but if it doesn't do 10GB ethernet, hardware raid, gigantic display, etc. - it can go to hell.
kakobrekla: like apple does, baiscally all the same hw.
ascii_field: attempting to address the kernel bloat without somehow magicking this away, is idiocy.
ascii_field: use gentoo then.
trinque: there was a project a while back to get portage on openbsd