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ben_vulpes: if bulky, idem.
ben_vulpes: if slow, i guess fine.
ben_vulpes: optimal for me is always going to be somewhere around "gives me leverage on data"
ben_vulpes: i really have no interest in optimized for min storage or max whatever the fuck
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: blockchain queries are a business logic concern!
ben_vulpes: <decimation> ben_vulpes: it strikes me that a relational db is a bit 'heavy' for storing the blockchain tree << i want to say "select * from outputs where output.spent_transaction is null;"
ben_vulpes: not pure "fast as fuck" compute problems.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: applying software to business problems.
ben_vulpes: i want data i can query with a 'sane' language
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: should i be concerned with these pure performance issues?
ben_vulpes: <decimation> but in reality you want structure << this
ben_vulpes: i'll have no truck with unstructured languages that don't support querying
ben_vulpes: particularly when woods are full of wolves.
ben_vulpes: particularly then.
ben_vulpes: eventually boy who cries wolf is ignored, even when wolf is coming
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your objections to things suffer from the "boy who cried wolf" problem
ben_vulpes: this postgres as fs idea may actually have legs
ben_vulpes: trinque: 'large objects' << no, tell me more
ben_vulpes: trinque: terrorist teknologees!
ben_vulpes: fuckuppy.jpg << asciilifeform ah i've found your problem they put the resistors on backwards on one of the boards
ben_vulpes: !up NewLiberty
ben_vulpes: happy to spend thousands on worthless arcana tho :P
ben_vulpes: you're not siemens, you don't swing 500m in legal fees every quarter, you don't get to go over the bills with a fine toothed comb etc
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if you're spending 75 dollars, you didn't need them at all sheesh
ben_vulpes: NewLiberty: who now?
ben_vulpes: nor* i
ben_vulpes: lol no i
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i grow more and more tempted every day to use postgres as a filesystem.
ben_vulpes: but a *queryable* blockchain is something else entirely.
ben_vulpes: the storage on disk is a thing of import, no doubt.
ben_vulpes: i want it in a database, though.
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: (it'll be done in two weeks, i swear)
ben_vulpes: (project is relational modeling of blockchain, for the curious)
ben_vulpes: trinque's already helped with it, but i'm looking for more eyes
ben_vulpes: do any of you know anything about relational schema design? i'm derping on a thing and would like to run an early early early schema draft by someone who actually understands relational dbs.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what l33t deelz did you find? the best i'm offered is ~1.3k rt
ben_vulpes: ssn and passport number no doubt lifted en route
ben_vulpes: std us mail envelope
ben_vulpes: decimation: lol no.
ben_vulpes: decimation: by 'condom' i assume you mean faraday cage?
ben_vulpes: lol no plain book
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: no you see, the lizard shitgnomes got to it
ben_vulpes: but my *other* documents.
ben_vulpes: i have the *passport*
ben_vulpes: anyways
ben_vulpes: that part was unnecessary, and risks putting one in the 'extra scrutiny' bin as i see it.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm aware.
ben_vulpes: despite! claims all over forms that supporting docs will be returned with issued passport.
ben_vulpes: fuckers declined to send me back my court papers and expired passport.
ben_vulpes: i'll admit to shitting more than a single brix over its issuance, given my presence here and name change froofraw.
ben_vulpes: so i just received my new passport
ben_vulpes: purchased direct?
ben_vulpes: hey noisy chump what travel bezzle are you using to procure tickets to con3?
ben_vulpes: news at 11
ben_vulpes: the only reasonable conclusion is that someone at the nsa is gaslighting alf
ben_vulpes: during my days in the wafer biz the shop for whom i slaved had a high-res testing machine that could test arbitrary board designs
ben_vulpes: the tooling investment to make this feasible for every board sent through a given shop is non trivial though, ibid for customer education.
ben_vulpes: no, it should be easy, decimation.
ben_vulpes: shouldn't be, really.
ben_vulpes: glhf. not happening.
ben_vulpes: outrageous claims are outrageous.
ben_vulpes: and their tacos are clocking in at .75 per, to extend the metaphor.
ben_vulpes: extra cilantro get out of here
ben_vulpes: "look, we're ording from a taco shop. the tacos cost a dollar fifty a pop. they're not going to be pleased with crazy custom orders, so cut it out.
ben_vulpes: it's like i tell the boys
ben_vulpes: you didn't need to burn that current anyways
ben_vulpes: they're more efficient
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> btw... the icecream in this country... it can not be described. << so i expect: helado primo, vino tinto, y carne gargantua.
ben_vulpes: ahmkay.
ben_vulpes: !s transisto from ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i hm what when?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes essentially, it means they have not an inkling of how to code. they're importing code as data. << i would like to hear the seasoned lispers take on this
ben_vulpes: cazalla: i don't know a transisto, no.
ben_vulpes: decimation, asciilifeform, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: what does it mean for openssl to load files in from disk as discussed last night? is it compiling .txts into machine code? loading precompiled stuff?
ben_vulpes: anyways, sleep doth conquer
ben_vulpes: Adlai: more along the lines of piggybacking messages on the btc txn relay network.
ben_vulpes: but i suppose that's what gossipd's for
ben_vulpes: i'd actually like to see relay rules opened up
ben_vulpes: myeah
ben_vulpes: i kind of have to assume that any hardware i touch these days is wholly compromised
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049856 << another reason why 0.5.3 needs getblock functionality. i can't trust anything out there, and the best way to handle bitcoins safely is to be able to canvass a mess of bitcoinds and make some decisions about how to squirt txns into the network
ben_vulpes: bleeee
ben_vulpes knows nothing about external libs and safety in c
ben_vulpes: surely that's a paranoid jump too far.
ben_vulpes: that filesystem code does whatever it wants to your balance, coins etc.
ben_vulpes: knowing c it's probably just like hell breaks loose in the operating system
ben_vulpes: so basically pwn the vm layer, pwn txn validation possibly?
ben_vulpes: jesus shit
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049735 << pastebin *specifically*. i've seen this again and again, eventually diddled something in my environment to keep it from happening.
ben_vulpes: thick ass logs today
ben_vulpes: trinque: you know it
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049682 << hah i ran into this as well, thought it was due to mounting the working dir in from the host machine
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1049268 << cardano-like thinger over serial someday, one hopes
ben_vulpes: wtshit linux
ben_vulpes: bail on *error*
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-03-2015#1049633 << oh just extreme naivte in thinking things like the bail on exit flag would be set the same way on other platforms
ben_vulpes: some mixture of all the above
ben_vulpes: sour grapes re youth wasted on the young
ben_vulpes: elbow in ribs
ben_vulpes: nudge
ben_vulpes: re: 'mit' - feeder college for northrup grumman and loyal derpy armsmiths
ben_vulpes: i've yet to get to read macros in my studies
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-03-2015#1048149 << what is the lisp concept and how is hickey crapping on it?
ben_vulpes: the hell is he wearing?
ben_vulpes: far cuter girls at blues night than mit, dun see why i'd bother
ben_vulpes: bit rottttt
ben_vulpes: hyuuuuu
ben_vulpes: still
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> in other news, apparently apple released a portable machine that not only has slower cpu clock than the typical such box 5 yrs. ago - but cannot charge and use an external peripheral at the same time! << they want you to buy a thing to make more holes
ben_vulpes: oh that's delightful
ben_vulpes: movies get banned in oz?
ben_vulpes: x11, the whole nine.
ben_vulpes: it's a trillion dollar project if you swallow the whole spitoon of what constitutes modern computing.
ben_vulpes: the argument deserves surfacing.
ben_vulpes: i know this, but for the loggerheads.
ben_vulpes: and silos and etc etc
ben_vulpes: icmbs*
ben_vulpes: redoing modern compute is impossible without your own icbm and maintenance staff for.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-03-2015#1047115 << this is why i don't quite buy the "trillion dollar project" argument.
ben_vulpes: y'no see the tag, and the drapes, and the tag, and the being of in the bathroom?
ben_vulpes: towel.
ben_vulpes: hahahahaha
ben_vulpes: also tonight the beast acquired a new trick: "hold the fuck still while i put things on you"
ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/F6KDREa << my beast, fairly long. yellow object is nine inches.
ben_vulpes: for you in particular.
ben_vulpes: why is suspend to ram such a big deal?
ben_vulpes: https://vid.me/e/HNrC << working on obedience at distance in casa vulpes esta noche
ben_vulpes: the troll who trained shanley? blocking trolls?
ben_vulpes: wags was a bust last round according to you
ben_vulpes: lady v has scheduled this trip to coincide with con3
ben_vulpes: her mother's been banging on for a visit recently
ben_vulpes: ahaha so let me trumpet the superiority of my woman for a moment
ben_vulpes: 'twas promised!
ben_vulpes: they actually won't let you on the plane without the paper printed out.
ben_vulpes: no, not even *in*
ben_vulpes: it's my own statal agents i've gotta convince the papers are legit.
ben_vulpes: ars is not actually the problem.
ben_vulpes: will anyways.
ben_vulpes: old, punched passport?
ben_vulpes: what, do i bring all of my name change paperwork?
ben_vulpes: but it's filed under the old name.
ben_vulpes: right
ben_vulpes: what, he just did a runner?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the link in question is about amazon's use of emacs in their frontline customer support
ben_vulpes: somewhere in there
ben_vulpes: !s steak from:benkay
ben_vulpes: !s steak from:ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is not news.
ben_vulpes: i have to pay the reciprocity fee again don't i
ben_vulpes: oh man i changed my name and have a new passport
ben_vulpes: er, number
ben_vulpes: it actually choked on my passport name
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah i saw that last year
ben_vulpes: lebanon?!
ben_vulpes: by the holy dogfucking jesus i will find them
ben_vulpes: i will find whoever decided to return 200 from this endpoint and encode the error in xml
ben_vulpes: and searches return nada.
ben_vulpes: i actually don't recall a thread.
ben_vulpes: trips all sorts of bezzletronic alerts for me, but i lack the context to make judgements.
ben_vulpes: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: what's the braindamage in this "mill" processor?
ben_vulpes: jurov: fine on the vision, budget was simply my spare time.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes: 240k... 2-3 people << chinese slaves ? << nobody ever said how many hours.
ben_vulpes: 2-3 people on your project, no context switching penalties for mobile/backend/html, no technical management burden.
ben_vulpes: i'll handle the rest.
ben_vulpes: product vision and a six-month commitment at 20K/mo.
ben_vulpes: !up The20YearIRCloud
ben_vulpes: oh dizee is still around?
ben_vulpes: pina coladas?
ben_vulpes: really, Vexual?
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: nice find, Vexual
ben_vulpes: now that's mining
ben_vulpes: i don't have much choice in the long run.
ben_vulpes: but i'm pretty sure with the state of modern consumer'pute'
ben_vulpes: i won't do it mindlessly, and i won't go quietly into that dark night.
ben_vulpes: instead of doing whatever's imposed upon me by the world, i mean.
ben_vulpes: what, though, should i be doing instead?
ben_vulpes: sort of
ben_vulpes: i just learned how it works
ben_vulpes: but my .Xresources
ben_vulpes: jesus fuck x11 as well!?
ben_vulpes: double?
ben_vulpes: transaction*
ben_vulpes: what is the correct data representation for the amount of bitcoin in a transactino?
ben_vulpes: hey does anyone have a link to a multisignature transaction in the main chain?
ben_vulpes: <decimation> I asked 'why don't you just use a cnc mill to shape the parts'. the answer: 1.) they apparently don't 'do' computers and 2.) the aircraft were all half-ass made to the blueprints anyway, often with 'by hand' adjustments << uh yeah that's how hand machining worked
ben_vulpes: buenos dias
ben_vulpes: but really it comes back to the wot.
ben_vulpes: this also entails delegating projects of various scope in different domains to them and then carefully reviewing delivered code and user-facing features.
ben_vulpes: i don't know about that. generally working with any given individual for a few months is enough to suss out their competence.
ben_vulpes: decimation: all i know is how to google shit.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: "OMG I can make money programming compooters, i'd better jump on the CS bandwagon" << you tell me
ben_vulpes: that is, if you really lack the kind of mind that hungers for something beyond "money".
ben_vulpes: avoid "baccalaureate" bezzle, hack js and css.
ben_vulpes: i still think CS is the worst way to make money programmering.
ben_vulpes: cute, freecad has a REPL
ben_vulpes: lisps are so damn easy.
ben_vulpes: http://www.openscad.org << the cad program i mistook for freecad in a several months old thread.
ben_vulpes: i am indeed unfamiliar with it.
ben_vulpes: http://www.afralisp.net/index.php << decimation i think was looking for CAD scripting?
ben_vulpes halfway expects 'node' 'gpg' to shell out to platform bins
ben_vulpes: "please compromise and brute force this juicy target."
ben_vulpes: key backup as a service is downright braindamaged.
ben_vulpes: punkman, thestringpuller: a "better keyserver"'d not be a bad thing to do.
ben_vulpes: was it even shrem?
ben_vulpes: what's the graphical www browser story over on le bsds?
ben_vulpes: waaay over my head.
ben_vulpes: what on earth is tsync?
ben_vulpes: (although who knows - maybe i'm a moron for trying to pass it quoted empty arrays)
ben_vulpes: apparently.
ben_vulpes: golang json parser barfs on quoted empty arrays.
ben_vulpes: mailman is jurov's beast.
ben_vulpes: "lizard steve".
ben_vulpes: anyways, feds can't pull their heads out of their arses. apple, otoh, targets you and yours specifically for pain.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: seen, entirely in character for bezzleprocurement.
ben_vulpes: nah, the pentagon can barely intercept mail to Fat Kim that has "TOP SEKKREIT PLZ NO BULLY" written all over it
ben_vulpes: "why are you using macintoshes anyways - don't you get government stipends to buy the 10k windows laptops?"
ben_vulpes: call cali: "oop, sorry. we don't like your kind."
ben_vulpes: east coast gets the bum hardware.
ben_vulpes: they also know exactly how quality each device is.
ben_vulpes: apple ships you people all the 'B' grade hardware.
ben_vulpes: nobody likes that part of the country.
ben_vulpes: it's because you live in the Forbidden City.
ben_vulpes: has this magical effect of guaranteeing hardware performance for 3 years.
ben_vulpes: proverbial "box of benjies".
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform has yet to discover "extended care" apparently.
ben_vulpes: answer.
ben_vulpes: 76, but whatever.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: srs
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> which is why the democrats have alternatives. because she's not running. << implying she might run in 8 years?
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> asciilifeform clinton's going to claim 'hacked' when one of these emails shows something undue ? << a good reason to use usg mailservers and own your keys
ben_vulpes: more effective to not do it and just buy btc.
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