anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re-read the contract, and the system of trust should prevent egoistic interpretations of contracts.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting' << sure, i'm privy to teh arab wastage.
mats: that's not how the wot works
mircea_popescu: omg the highlights
anton_osika: I am the long party and have independent verification of this by others with recognised trust.
ascii_field: anton_osika: iirc mircea_popescu explained specifically, earlier, that he would lose credibility among the people who matter if he ~did~ pay.
anton_osika: and this is a piss in the ocean for upholding ones credibility for mircea_popescu .
anton_osika: BingoBoingo: Depends on what the contract should constructively be interpreted by. Unless MP stands by his word and take the one and only claimed deposit address (by the freenode authed antonosika as well as the holder of the bitcoin wallet) mircea_popescu will lose credibility by people who agree to my interpretation of what the cause of a future delivery
mats: if you image the device, i'd be happy to attempt recovery for a modest fee if i'm successful
BingoBoingo: At least anton_osika In the even you manage to uncorrupt your backup Kraken is no longer in a position to take deliver in your place by signing from the outgoing BTC address.
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: And further to the point, I don't think Kraken is in any position to attest to anything seeing how it is the USG appointed tool for distributing MtGox's carcass
thestringpuller: We saw how well the move to CSS benefited GLBSE
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: just saw a commercia for ETrade creating a browser only platform for trading. Made me laugh outloud here in the airport cause, well is etrade et. al. going to become the new play exchanges?
BingoBoingo: anton_osika: That doesn't seem to solve the problem of inability to sign a delivery address with that public key, even if Kraken attests to it.
ascii_field: anton_osika: ever read the story (or watch the film based on it) - 'the cold equations' ?
punkman: shinohai: your master key hadn't signed the subkeys? how does that happen?
mod6: <+ascii_field> see if you can make the patch names clickable links << i'll see what I can do. thx.
ben_vulpes: rather nice, mod6
shinohai: asciilifeform: If you have time later, would appreciate assistance with the key issue you brought to my attention last week.
ascii_field: see if you can make the patch names clickable links
ascii_field: mod6: this is beautiful and ought to be on the www.
mod6: well, can't get the directional thing correct unless I use graphviz :/ http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.png
anton_osika: Either you actively distrust Kraken.com and make ~no~payment. Or you fulfill your part of the contract as well as possible.
anton_osika: asciilifeform: Depends on what the contract is saying.
ascii_field: 'The verification relies on the credibility of a group of well reputed people, or a “bank” if you have to call it that: Kraken.com. The statement states what identity made the transaction to your account.' << this is a problem.
anton_osika: I have proof of being the long party as specified
anton_osika: mircea_popescu: I re read the contract you wrote
anton_osika: thx thestringpuller.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: and it's not just my memory. it's whether memory of even occurred and is easily verifiable
thestringpuller: then you know that event likley occurred
ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you deal with sufficiently many people that your memory cannot fit them perfectly, your wot is not strictly a meatwot.
thestringpuller: ascii_field: because niggas be forgetful and shit. if you're just saying "Well i trust this nigga cause of xyz" it's by word of mouth i.e. memory rather than something digitally recorded
mats: otherwise it'd be meatfacebook
ascii_field: thestringpuller: how?
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:01:15; mircea_popescu: which leaves phuctor in dire need of a new home. unless anyone comes forward with something (hey jurov what's the word there ?) i guess ima get another box at another dubious provider
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274490 sory, i'll pass on, looks like it's not a priority at all for these people i wanted to do it together with
thestringpuller: mats: in my perspective it seems the meatwot is more easily susceptible sybil attacks than one enforced with the principle governing gpg contracts
ascii_field: thestringpuller: as mircea_popescu pointed out, i am abusing the term to refer to meatspace business circles
ascii_field: (as may have been the case with 'snowden-2', though these were not exploits in the sense meant in this thread)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is possible sometimes, from the overall flavour of the items, for hitler to ferret out whom to shoot.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: re: repeated sales of exploits, there are also opsec considerations.
ascii_field: re: meatwot, all i meant was that i personally know a fella, who i trust to describe what he saw, who saw the palaces and ludicrous 'stotting'
ascii_field: and access to 'turkeys' approximately as fast as they can be produced.
ascii_field: was trying to point out that the folks who 'make nothing' (true!) have pretty much infinite money.
ascii_field: but there was a time when i got caffeinated goop from vending machines, at uni.
ascii_field: not these days.
mircea_popescu: so then don't mix improperly.
mircea_popescu: for as long as you don't have a method to make them laugh, you're not to epxect to be paid for your "Comedian services".
mircea_popescu: anyway. this entire "if you only got one and don't know how you got it, either - you therefore must publish" thing is exactly because that's how one learns.
ascii_field: the geological equivalent
mircea_popescu: ie, they find 0 days ?
ascii_field: because on the planet where i live, the richest folk, as far as naked eye can see, are resource extractors
mircea_popescu: apparently the web doesn't have the quote. something like "my dear, i'm going out to find my pride. and if i ever find it, we'll see if it's still worth a damn to either of us."
mircea_popescu: or else he can not make them, just found some meteor, in which case he has no business being a seller. because nobody may sell what he can't make.
ascii_field: it is entirely possible to find a potential exploit in the course of unrelated work. developing it into an ACTUAL exploit takes sweat.
mircea_popescu: either he can make them, at some rate whatever it may be, but nonzero (even if it's so low in the end it ends up being 0), and then he has a business being a seller.
mircea_popescu: this precludes any bothering. because bothering is a thing of work, which is a reason to suspect.
mircea_popescu: it's provably the best usage, if you don't secrete it.
ascii_field: give the plutonium away for free to the first idiot pastebin reader who comes along, aha.
mircea_popescu: and he should just play the good researcher and publish it.
mircea_popescu: but the caveat being that if seller has exactly one, and no reason to suspect he will ever have more, this entire thing is a wot. aka, waste of time.
mircea_popescu: seller has a minimum of two 0 days. he creates a wot account for the purpose of selling these and future ones indefinitely. seller publishes one freom that account as a proof, announces he has more, explains what it costs. sends it encrypted once gets paid. gets rated. what's the big deal.
mircea_popescu: stop trying to force the inept mental jump on me. i am neither inept nor am i making it.
ascii_field: or renege in some other way.
ascii_field: 10,000 bozos take the coin & run
ascii_field: will you rate the 10,001st one when 10,000 renege ?
mircea_popescu: so there you go, it's started.
mircea_popescu: suppose someoine who isn't us registers 0day_bourbaky in the wot.
mircea_popescu: a key for the purpose of a one off deal ?
mircea_popescu: see, you jump over the uncomfortable fractures.
ascii_field: so i generate a new key. but, you will say, next buyer will not deal with a nobody ? then why would they have dealt with me earlier ?
ascii_field: let's say it does not. so i renege and pastebin the exploit i just sold. vendor negrates me: '-10, poopyhead, can't say why publicly'
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Anyways last week there was nearly identical spam floating around under Pantera Capital's name. Spam's not really news.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field couldja for five minutes stop with this "i know how things are in direct proportion of how little i know about them" ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Just that lingering doubt is why I'm going to keep digging for other stuff to consider qntra-ing up
mircea_popescu: and never is otherwise.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i'm not sure why such a concern would be of any interest. this "fund" is not represented in the wot. consequently, any piece of email purportying to be from them ACTUALLY IS every time that is detrimental to them
ascii_field: and who will buy then
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Will look into it, but there has been "masquerade" spamming lately. Hard to tell if actual impersonation though or plausible deniability scam
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you ever heard of the-transaction-cant-be-public ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field> and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods << you ever heard of teh wot ?
assbot: The pseudo-Bitcoinsphere feels just as squishy-poo as the Romanian pseudo-blogosphere felt five years or so ago. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Y9f9Nm )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo not sure if qntra worthy or not ^ << http://trilema.com/2014/the-pseudo-bitcoinsphere-feels-just-as-squishy-poo-as-the-romanian-pseudo-blogosphere-felt-five-years-or-so-ago/
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ascii_field: mats: if caching 0days were as easy as you suggest, there is no reason why you ought to be stuck in usaschwitz. go, move in next door to mircea_popescu ?
ascii_field: and what is ~his~ assurance that i won't immediately pastebin the goods
ascii_field: what is my assurance that i see the coin
ascii_field: mats: and who brokers the deal? god?
ascii_field: and it isn't like a schmuck from the street can get 20k as it is now.
mod6: as far as the 'experimental' patches, i agree about the 'maxint_locks' patch.... maybe there's a better word than experimental. and, anyway, this will all change soon anyhow, so not sure how urgent it is.
ascii_field: mats: seller, for instance, can disclose the patch immediately after sale
mod6: ah. yeah, i'll have to play around with the format, etc. we'll see if i can make it happen. maybe?
ascii_field: and so on, until the modern day.
ascii_field: the next level of descent, one notch above it;
ascii_field: genesis at the bottom, and nothing else colinear with it;
mod6: ascii_field: see if this one makes any sense: http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html
williamdunne: ascii_field: Eh, was just reading; 19:36:41 - thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@OB1Company/scaling-bitcoin-9366988972b6 […]
ascii_field: (you may have been told that people are doing it, and yes, there are people who think they are doing it. but they are being scammed. often, on both sides of the table simultaneously...)
ascii_field: williamdunne: thread in question was about the impossibility of selling exploits
assbot: Logged on 30-05-2015 17:38:54; asciilifeform: think of it this way (possibly paraphrasing old thread.) imagine you discovered a cache of plutonium bricks in your back yard. (rtg in space probe fell apart?) would you let them go to a scrap dealer for 100 usd each? knowing that they are worth millions, and at the same time risking your arse by revealing that you ever had them to begin with? or would you say 'fuck you' and dig a deeper hole?
mircea_popescu: there's nothing in it that requires it be a scam.
mircea_popescu: these two points are inseparable.
mircea_popescu: then we can't have rule of law, can we.
mircea_popescu: which exact mistakes, and how, was the question.
mircea_popescu: punkman this is besides the point.
mircea_popescu: the interesting question was, how.
mircea_popescu: but yes, trivial to find this sort of shit once you got the guy
ascii_field: by whom? the 1st gandi rifle division ?
mircea_popescu: and with the force the 4th guy... the whole thing looked more like turf war between rival drug lords, on of which being the usg, than anything legitimate.
ascii_field: my point was that usg is not burdened with the need to lie ~plausibly~.
ascii_field: iirc the story changed more than once.
mircea_popescu: "how" they found ulbricht = "we discovered this github post" or what was it ?
ascii_field: they are rescued by the complete lack of any consequences for story which does not hang together (e.g., '9/11' details, or the 'how they found ulbricht' story, etc)
mircea_popescu: (lying, of any kind it might be, always takes more clever than speaking the truth. it also always enbds up taking more cleverf than is available, but that's secondary here.)
mircea_popescu: "Hess said that data currently available on investigations, including the annual wiretap report indicating that agents encountered encryption only a handful of times during the course of the year, is simply wrong." << it is simply wrong, because it never figures in court matter, because they parallel construct to all hell and don't know how to do it well
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the 1st ghandi rifles ?
mircea_popescu: you are a SERVANT. nothing more. just like your mom used to be, minus the assfucking.
mircea_popescu: listen up raj your mother-s a whore go back to india : you don't fucking get to score the questions
mircea_popescu: the fucking cheeky bastard.
mircea_popescu: "Asked how often investigations are stymied by encryption, Kiran Raj, a senior counsel of the Department of Justice, responded with a non-answer. It is an important point that you make, that we have to provide the sense of a scale, he said."
kakobrekla: >The ETH scam won't see 2016 < isnt this a negative bet?
assbot: FBI Keeps Telling Purely Theoretical Encryption Horror Stories ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUgEI )
shinohai: https://theintercept.com/2015/09/15/fbi-keeps-telling-purely-theoretical-encryption-horror-stories/
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> i dunno why old people put up with it, seriously. << Took grandpa until halfway to his eigth decade to take a stand on no more fingers and scopes up the butt and no more needles in the eye.
ascii_field: 'The Court observed that, according to the government, Mr. Merrill would only be allowed to discuss the kinds of records the FBI demanded in “a world in which no threat of terrorism exists, or a world in which the FBI, acting on its own accord and its own time, decides to disclose the contents of the Attachment.”'
ascii_field: 'The ruling marks the first time that an NSL gag order has been lifted in full since the PATRIOT Act vastly expanded the scope of the FBI’s NSL authority in 2001.'
assbot: Federal Court Invalidates 11-Year-old FBI gag order on National Security Letter recipient Nicholas Merrill | The Calyx Institute ... ( http://bit.ly/1KkUcF0 )
mircea_popescu: and all this because they wanted her to dedicate her entire fucking day to taking it up the ass for the great god of colonoscopy.
mircea_popescu: "we broke her ribs and other things, but hey, she responds to commands now"
mircea_popescu: "Then, the patient gradually became more alert with an increased ability to follow commands over the next evening and was at baseline 38 hours after presenting to the hospital. The patient did have significant associated morbidities including 3 thoracic spine compression fractures, a comminuted humeral head fracture likely secondary to seizures and requiring arthroplasty, and multiple rib fractures secondary to CPR. Sh
ascii_field: gotta collect the schmuck salaries back
mircea_popescu: kinda weird they missed the great 2008 opportunity for that, was expecting more lively action on that.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:29:21; mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.
gernika: Was there ever a check on nonsense rulings like this and recent Supreme Court decisions?
mircea_popescu: just fucking burn it down already. there's absolutely no reason to continue the charade. "law abiding" = terrorist.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/09/appeals-court-denies-dotcom-request-for-extradition-hearing-delay/ <<< ahahaah what in the ever loving fuck! so the us has been derping for four years, on printed money. this guy finally got his accounts (HIS!!) back in july and now he can't have an extensionb because... THE CASE IS TOO COMPLEX ?!
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:46:56; mats: fun fact: gpg's serialization layer uses s-expressions rather than asn.1 and as a result, despite being hand-rolled in C, there doesn't appear to be any memory corruption in canonical mode
mircea_popescu: according to new research by Gavin & Mike, in 2020 that number will reduce to 4 digits, and then continue to halve every few years!
mircea_popescu: Starting in 2016, the IRS will no longer accept checks for $100 million or more because the equipment at the Federal Reserve Bank that processes checks cant handle checks for more than 8 digits. Checks larger than that have to be processed manually by hand, which, according to internal memos obtained by the Associated Press, could increase the risk of theft, fraud and errors.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field well yeah. being that the state had to get involved into it.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: there is nothing a telco does which is ~not~ in some way monopoly-milking
mircea_popescu: "And that simply raises the question, how far will this Internet content standard go? What kinds of business practices that innovative new competitors might want to introduce might be frowned upon by the FCC? << superlulzy, because the behaviour discussed is deeply un-innovative. in fact, it's strictly monopoly milking.
ascii_field: the poor ones are physics ph.d.
mircea_popescu: they do make great bureaucrats.
BingoBoingo: The Brahmins incresingly are
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: they make great bureaucrats, aha
mircea_popescu: srsly, the us is indian now ?
BingoBoingo: But would still need to improve over his last round with another minute and a half
BingoBoingo: https://bitbet.us/bet/1197/rand-paul-will-get-less-than-7-minutes/ << I'm hoping the lesser Paul gets to break out for this one
mircea_popescu: <deedbot-> [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 << whoa that's some decent bang for a buck. ty internets.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: true. but si fab is not 1 in 10k either.
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: intel will go bust shortly after the mongols water their horses in the potomac
mircea_popescu: the structure is what matters.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> naggum ~had~ something like #b-a - comp.lang.lisp. very similar mix of brain. << not unlike saying you have si in your fridge. there's bottles there, very similar "mix of atoms".
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate. << there is no such thing.
mircea_popescu: in the "all leaks are catastrophic leaks" school of cryptoplumbing
ascii_field: but it will run beautifully on emulator. of which there are at least a dozen.
BingoBoingo: The more I play with TI-92 the more I wish it was still more of a "desktop" calculator with keyboard, mouse, and montior
ascii_field: whereas just as factually it is 'charge for some bytes but not others'
ascii_field: gotta love the spin, 'free content illegal'
mircea_popescu: http://pjmedia.com/blog/fcc-commissioner-free-content-might-violate-agencys-internet-conduct-standard/ << for the lulz
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 11.28000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b4
ascii_field: (who do you think goes there)
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:59:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274680 << if 5k usd could make a working and USEFUL ic, i think we would each here have one, and would be arguing over their merits, posting from them !
BingoBoingo: At least half the time thrown footballs don't get caught anyways
BingoBoingo: Or Rush down the center (done while carrying a ball handed to you)
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Move laterally on the field away from the central disputed territory so that you might catch the pass away from defenders
BingoBoingo: "Kaepernick goes wide. And theres another break. Everyone has a drink. My, there are some breaks. More breaks than Alcatraz."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/live/2015/sep/15/jarryd-hayne-san-francisco-49ers-debut-against-minnesota-vikings#block-55f79179e4b0dd400d532de1
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
ascii_field: at one point there was hp, sgi, sun, buncha others now forgotten (sony NEWS ! yes) but today it's apple.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 16:11:49; mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274729 << you can say this until you turn blue, but they ARE THE ONLY REMAINING UNIX WORKSTATION VENDOR
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:38:30; mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 15:30:36; mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274708 << they don't forget - how could they, living in their mother's houses. but they do, afaik, see it as something like a natural disaster, rather than malfeasance
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:52:55; mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274669 << see old thread where i compared chipmaking to satellite launch. they are very similar activities, in having unpredictable, largely unpreventable, and very high failure rate.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:53:38; mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274672 << if only! the real trouble is that many things in engineering are not actually amenable to accurate simulation.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 14:48:09; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1273976 <<< wwwwait. they fit in head ?
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b3
mircea_popescu: (the chick in that ad, btw, Anya Major, is probably best known to the audience as the russki chick in elton john's stupid nikita thing)
mircea_popescu: that's all they ever did right. not a tiny thing, either, but has exactly 0 to do with tech.
mircea_popescu: incidentally, heh, the days ridley scott was directing jobs' signle shot ad campaigns.
gernika: I probably just liked it because of the sex.
gernika: He must have been *something* of a thing to have been assigned reading pre-internet. Also there was the well known MacIntosh commercial. I must admit to being completely unaware of his internet cachet.
funkenstein_: On the literature tip, /me wonders if any RU speakers have tried Звенящие кедры России
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:29:46; gernika: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-09-2015#1272365 << Incidentally I attempted to look up Mr. Blair in the 1958 ed. of Encyclopedia Brittanica and could find nothing on him. Apparently he was not yet notable by then. Would love to know what the editorial verdict would have been.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274155 the internet popularity of 1984 (itself a byproduct of the wachowksi brothers being insane) accounts entirely for his being a thing.
mircea_popescu: he cheats with the chicken wire tho
mircea_popescu: if there's a good argument against suicide, naggum-b-a might be it.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 21:24:02; phf: i suppose one half of b-a should start on a linux distro and the other work on cl-emacs naggum always wanted *ducks*
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274146 << see, if naggum had the fucking sense to stick around...
mircea_popescu: (inflation being, of course, just the monetary equivalent of "stealing the having been stolen from". people do a pretty decent job of managing to forget their parents lived better than they will.)
mircea_popescu: this connection between one interest and another interest is most embarassing to the usg, in the way it keeps exposing the hush hush inflation problem.
mircea_popescu: and then one needn't explain why interest rates are 20-50% pa for some schmucks, and yet "0.0%" for thje fed.
mircea_popescu: im kinda surprised it's not here yet. but perhaps the roll up of the "college debt" nonsense will come to that : people get auto-ressetting debt on a 7 yo period.
mircea_popescu: which, considering it goes with the rest of the "people are too stupid to own real guns, real computers, etc" trend
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 19:51:41; phf: anton_osika thread reminds me of thomas jefferson arguing for debt relief while heavily indebted, he also uses "this is best for the people" argument, with the main difference that the debt question was at the time open, where's what osika is arguing against is the core idea of gpg contracts. the point of the thread has been fully answered in gpg contracts article and with a poetic take in hanbot's story, both
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274109 << ironically, the "jefferson"/jewish sabbatical/etc arguments re debts neatly reduce to a "the people are too stupid to be allowed to take real debt".
BingoBoingo: Of course so long as you want it to stay a clean room, but eventually gotta end the cleanroom some way.
mircea_popescu: heck you can't even take a notebook in there.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> anyway, very fucking unclear what it'd be useful or usable for, past emergency field surgery. << Any other pursuit that fits the space and makes messes.
mircea_popescu: lol that entire convo was entertaining. "they snuck in the clean room and made out!!1"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274082 << discover the shitty walpaint drops off particles, try and fix it, discover it's not so easily fixed and your walls are porous, reconstruct your room out of sheet aluminum, etc.
assbot: Logged on 15-09-2015 13:59:06; mircea_popescu: study is just another kind OF PLAY ; and paper is just another kind of TP.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-09-2015#1274479 <-- "scholastes", apparently meant "leisure", that's the story on the street anyway my Greek not good enough
mircea_popescu: yes, you will download Derpy Adventures 17 whether you intend to watch it or not!
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:14:25; ascii_field: MICROSOFT HAS CONFIRMED that Windows 10 is being downloaded to computers whether or not users have opted in.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274048 << perhaps these people also don't understand how p2p works.
assbot: Logged on 14-09-2015 18:09:08; ascii_field: but it is very clear, from their www, that it is a 'if you have to ask for prices, you can't afford this' affair.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-09-2015#1274035 <<< but then again that can be 20 BTC, on the internet.
kakobrekla: at least thats what i get from my contacts in the bezzle.
kakobrekla: > building bridges that almost always stay up. < this is due to chinafication. need it as cheap and as fast as possible, other parameters irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: so, perhaps cheaper than "make your own si fab" : make one that works, eat their pie.
mircea_popescu: yet somehow the proposition is that "usg" has a sort of control over an activity which generally fails.
mircea_popescu: however, back in the day when 9 oiut of 10 bridges DIDNT stay up, there didn't even exist bridgebuilding as a distinct and named activity.
mircea_popescu: in the following sense :