asciilifeform: what do we need the dead code for ???
asciilifeform: and what the fuck do people smoke that makes them release a compiler without tree shaking?
asciilifeform: the 'large binaries' are a 200kB helloworld ~and~ dynamically link libc.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:55:01; phf: presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279879 << actually as far as i can tell it is ~worse~. the 'small binaries' are bytecode-compiled that runs SLOW AS FUCK ~and~ REQUIRED RUNTIME INSTALLED
cazalla: http://www.jewocity.com/blog/13-female-footballers-removed-from-federation-internationale-de-football-association-16-following-ncaa-warning/71799 "Athletes are paid in an education, the only currency more hard to spend than bitcoin, Oliver joked"
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 15:58:44; pete_dushenski: i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279708 <<< was it not something like protoshares then bit X and proto X and about 5 other incarnations prior to it being bitshares?
phf: presumably it's either glibc and small binaries or no glibc and the entire stdlib attached to the thing. ocaml at least doesn't do any sort of "tree shaking"
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 21:56:32; pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:32:40; phf: asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees.
asciilifeform: (standalone ones. i will not use the threaded code ones for anything)
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:33:17; phf: never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:40:54; phf: if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut."
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 22:12:54; phf: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/amazon-tablet-casio-calculator/ << "the pricey calculator" section about new casio s100, which costs $220, about as much ebay hp-16c, but otherwise is a piece of shit
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 21:56:32; pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras
phf: if b-a was a 1912 revolutionary clique, pete would be a hotheaded guy with a nagant, shooting up chandelier to announce our arrival. "comrade mats was questioning comrade lenin's communique, so i gave him nagant to the gut."
phf: never the less later that was reason why i looked at ocaml, with some flags and afair abandonment of all stdlib packages, you can get it to produce binaries in the low 100kb range. entirely useless.
phf: asciilifeform: phf: they all have fuckin' ~huge~ binaries so far as i'm concerned << i don't think i was too picky at the time, i.e. cmucl dumps 20mb images, and my main concern was audio latency anyway. oh i also used mlkit for that reason, it uses a combination of frame based memory management and gc, so you can have realtime guarantees.
shinohai: I don't necessarily have to make them public, just wanted to put them somewhere so I could connect if need be.
shinohai: To all reading the b-a logs: I wish to compile a list of realbitcoin nodes so if you have one I can list feel free to ping.
mircea_popescu: they just did. casio ftw!
shinohai: b-a has the brightest minds in bitcoin finance, yet I never hear anyone here hawking the latest hardware.
phf: i wouldn't have posted otherwise, but for the recent calculator discussions. all the talk about "limited edition retro appeal" in stark contrast to b-a considerations
phf: http://www.wired.com/2015/09/amazon-tablet-casio-calculator/ << "the pricey calculator" section about new casio s100, which costs $220, about as much ebay hp-16c, but otherwise is a piece of shit
assbot: Searching for the "grey market" foods of New York City — Hopes&Fears — flow "Food" ... ( http://bit.ly/1YpbhIn )
pete_dushenski: http://www.hopesandfears.com/hopes/city/food/216541-searching-for-the-grey-market-foods-of-nyc << mimolette, salmiakki, betel nut, fujianese rice wine, and sassafras
shinohai: btw excellent trilema post mircea_popescu. I don't have the greatest understanding of such things but that certainly makes sense.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279578 <<< nah, that's the first paycoin, this is garza's paycoin (was also first! ignore the 2 in the url) http://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/paycoin2/ still, may as well be $1000
assbot: Another Government Shutdown Looms At The End Of The Month : The Two-Way : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1OmbmJl )
mats: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/09/16/440667030/another-government-shutdown-looms-at-the-end-of-the-month
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema article i been working for the past coupla hours now stands at 7.5k words
asciilifeform barely watches film at all these days, but saw all of 'silicon..', at the instigation of phriendz, and l0lled
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 17:06:23; mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hoolis ad platform."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279776 << this is about a tv series, 'silicon valley', which is a merciless parody of the whole idiot culture and actually worth seeing
asciilifeform opens crate, says to pet, 'wanna learn some galois theory?' -- pet: 'not unless it will teach me how to die with honour in duel !'
assbot: The Perl Jam: Exploiting a 20 Year-old Vulnerability [31c3] - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lp8Obx )
ben_vulpes doesn't understand anything about how the world works
pete_dushenski off for a haircut and some exercise (fear not, the jewfro will survive)
mircea_popescu: the only problem with it is that it's a profession, and you don't have a clue how it works.
ben_vulpes: this is relevant to a question i've been mulling of late. say a new client shows up at my door, and i like their shit so much i want to buy a chunk of it. how would i navigate both owning a chunk of the new company and also my consulting company that would be building large swathes of the product? seems a bit ethically and incentive-alignmently fraught.
mircea_popescu: "In the deal, Hooli would invest $200 million for equity while in return the two companies would enter into a business development agreement on the side in which Pied Piper guarantees to spend that money in a massive consumer campaign on Hoolis ad platform."
ben_vulpes pours out a drink for the memory of trinque in town
mircea_popescu: which may or may not be related to the toilet.
pete_dushenski: so 100 of them is 'many'
mircea_popescu: "Many economists believe that balance sheet losses are irrelevant for a central bank, so they should play no role in policy."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard http://www.loper-os.org/?p=69 << "Employers much prefer that workers be fungible, rather than maximally productive."
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/ivananucar.jpg << the competition for 'best troll name' intensifies. this, from a local car dealer.
pete_dushenski: "General Motors admitted wrongdoing and will pay a $900-million penalty, but will avoid federal prosecution for its mishandling of an ignition-switch defect in some of its older cars." << even 'chosen ones' have to pay their tithes/baksheesh.
pete_dushenski: japs were thinking 'not my bezzlars, don't care where they come from or where they're going, just that they're active rather than passive'
mircea_popescu: it does maybe 20mn profit over half bn revenue. which half bn revenue dropped 80% over the decade and will drop 90% over the next decade.
mircea_popescu: "CoinTelegraph Media Group is the largest international cryptocurrency-related marketing and advertising agency in the world. Our Ad opportunities provide our clients with wide-reaching penetration into the cryptocurrency-oriented community."
assbot: If Primecoin becomes international transferring instrument, the price versus USD will potentially hit 1,000! : primecoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Waptmp )
mircea_popescu: "Former heavyweight boxing champion Mike Tyson has joined forces with a cryptocurrency firm to bring bitcoin ATMs to Las Vegas. The deal with Conexus and Bitcoin Direct is believed to be the first celebrity partnership in the bitcoin industry."
mircea_popescu: i thought azn ppl were supposed to be throwing the curve.
pete_dushenski: "President Barack Obama nominated Eric Fanning to become the next secretary of the Army, the White House said, paving the way for the first openly gay leader of a military service branch in U.S. history."
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:26:49; punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale"
pete_dushenski: ^from ethercoin website
pete_dushenski: what's the relation between eth and etc ?
pete_dushenski: tip o' the cap to whoever drafted it up
pete_dushenski: i remember way back when bitshares was a new thing, all the local kidz (some of whom were twice my age) jumping aboard and mining and trying to swindle me into it
mircea_popescu: If you tumbled over the term interest, you probably read an outdated posted. Sorry to tell you but there is no interest on your bitUSD ... for legal reasons ... thus the community decided to call it a yield :-). That yield is payed out every time you transfer bitUSD (that are older than 24h). This effectively is an interest, but has an other name. Check out the our info graphic about is:"
mircea_popescu: "BTS's consensus algorithm is DPOS, which is roughly that stakeholders vote on a relatively small set of block validators (~100). All stakeholders care about is "sufficient" decentralization - block validators are quick to replace. These validators can be high-performance servers."
mircea_popescu: anyway, "bitshares" turns out to be yet another bitbet-killer
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 12.10078888 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b13
mircea_popescu: o wait. they also think wrinkly old usgfag qualifies huh.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/BitShares/comments/3js068/is_this_a_dream/ << o brother, the traders.
pete_dushenski: my guess is bois thought that gender equality meant that they could be enthusiastic too
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:54:39; mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:50:33; mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279569 << was augur fussing about bitbet ? i musta missed this and just figured they'd pretend like bb/mpex were never invented
asciilifeform: in the time period under consideration
asciilifeform: there is this.
assbot: Logged on 03-07-2014 17:34:41; asciilifeform: overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot.'
mircea_popescu: leaving aside "what the fuck is bitshares" etc.
mircea_popescu: someone fucking explain to me what is the MEANING of "quarter billion mkt cap" over half a million trade volume.
mircea_popescu: 4 Ethereum $ 61,476,700 $ 0.838699 73,300,075 ETH $ 426,907 -1.99 %
mircea_popescu: so since i'm now looking at the table of "crypto currencies", as if that's a thing now (hey, why not you know, alternate centers of gravity - why not!!1), here's a table :
mircea_popescu: so far it's more like a "pack of wild dogs invaded your living room ? quick, drop some squaky toys on the floor!11"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i also suspect that one of the drivers of usg interest in demented pseudo-bitcoin contraptions ('permissioned blockchain technology!') is that these folks dream of a hybrid bulldog-rhinoceros, 'best of both', where usg can electronically steal everything you have, but without any bureaucratic snags - it will look precisely like a voluntary donation, from a mathematical standpoint
mircea_popescu: the only incentive to do that is the loss of face over having to print wider bills to accomodate the increase in digits.
asciilifeform: ah the 'will' is per 'shave two zeros'
mircea_popescu: so then what "will".
mircea_popescu: twenty years ago you COULD NOT buy a house in romania other than for cash. no matter what.
asciilifeform: as the ruble, under hruschev
mircea_popescu: "no inflation for a century" ==> "time to cut two zeros off the currency"
mircea_popescu: the eu still has 500 euro bills, which are about as useful as argentine 100 pesos.
asciilifeform: popular explanations range from 'nah they can't ban it, with what will we pay the mexican strawberry pickers' to 'it will come any day now'
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:16:03; assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. "
mircea_popescu: (i do this sort of thing ALLLLL the time.)
mircea_popescu: she can pretend she's wymyn in tech, interested in ethereum for glory.
mircea_popescu: yes, but the stable gets $20 a head.
asciilifeform: and that's merely the first parcel.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the soup at md was poured by nsf (a good $2M worth iirc, straight from the crown)
mircea_popescu: there's very faint traces of usg in all of this.
asciilifeform: the other thing is, i was briefly astonished at how broken the thing is, but then remembered an old mircea_popescu lemma which leads to 'it must necessarily be broken' - i haven't the link handy, but this was an article where 'usg dare not safely use a working bitcoin or even similar item, because it will begin to warp around it'
mircea_popescu: 't been watching the show back in 2012ish)
mircea_popescu: (which is pure necrodearia style insanity-on-a-stick, for the people who haven
mircea_popescu: and within not so long, the only people left standing will have a very strong "opentransactions" flavour to it
asciilifeform: these are (hard as it may be to believe) separate ministries
asciilifeform: nah dogecoin is the u.s. dept. of reddit's version.
asciilifeform: as in, the thing usg universities, 'ngo' complex, etc. finance.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it suddenly makes sense when you realize that they are not competing with bitcoin, but with 'bitcoin'
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 14:46:16; mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ?
mircea_popescu: im still puzzled as to why all the eth derps imagine they're competing with bitcoin, quoting all sorts of bitcoin news etc, when it's quite clear they're trying to eat the ever shrinking ripple pie.
shinohai: In that vein, TradeFortress is sure to give me back the coin I lost in coinlenders too.
mircea_popescu: obviously. i'm sure there's somewhere some people secretly waiting for neobee "brick and mortar stores" to come out of hiding.
shinohai: I decided not to bet on that one, I mean there are people that *still* believe in paycon despite Garza being what he was.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck keeps telling people enthusiasm matters. shut the fuck up and sit down, you're not helping. in fact, you're most of the problem.
mircea_popescu: "Taylor Gerring @TaylorGerring · Sep 17 Taylor Gerring retweeted Vitalik Buterin The benefit of #Ethereum being defined by a spec, not an implementation "
mircea_popescu: aaanyway. that was entertaining. thanks whoever threw away 10k on bitbet, for the morning lulz.
mircea_popescu: i also can't believe the butthurt "augur" people that kept derping on reddit about how mean bitbet is actually are built atop this shit and somehow still expect anyone to take them seriously.
mircea_popescu: i simply had no fucking idea, i imagined they'd go ineptly hit on girls or something. eat many cakes.
mircea_popescu: mindboggling what the population of excel-educated project managers in obscure office space will do with their time if you let them loose.
mircea_popescu: so they're not even at discussing jets and immutability yet. so far we're doing "branding imperatives" and "How to call Serpent function from JAVA SCRIPT (including encoding of function arguments)"
shinohai: I'm still rofl from the guy who sent all his coin to a contract the other day and now can't recover it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform seriously, it seems like this thing aims to be ~ urbit. made by people of the same exact ilk ("got some usg payola") but who understand EVEN LESS of computing.
mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3512/cant-compile-a-contract << meanwhile the "contract compiler" segfaults. and stuff. srsly, i need a "contract compiler" written in fucking cpp to spit out what's obviously parsed output ?
assbot: Is there a way to send all Ether from one address to another? - Ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUtQX )
mircea_popescu: http://forum.ethereum.org/discussion/3143/is-there-a-way-to-send-all-ether-from-one-address-to-another << considering this is the most read/commented item on the thing's forum, and also the only one to get any comments / more than 5 views, and also the principal item in "protocol discussion" (a heading made to differentiate from NON TECHNICAL discussions)
mircea_popescu: shinohai nah, it's ok, ubuntu was there first.
mircea_popescu: what the everloving treefortfuck!
assbot: Microsoft has developed its own Linux. Repeat. Microsoft has developed its own Linux • The Register ... ( http://bit.ly/1ioUfJz )
shinohai: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/09/18/microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux_repeat_microsoft_has_developed_its_own_linux/ <<< The only linux guaranteed to get you pwnd.
mircea_popescu: from fb : Ethereum September 7 at 8:02am · Executive Director Ming Chan (@mingchan88) posts on Ethereum's new updated branding guidelines https://www.reddit.com/
/
/new_ethereum_branding_guidelines/
mircea_popescu: they actually sit around and pretend like this shit's a thing. i have so much trouble processing this...
mircea_popescu: a) all the wrong fucking choices ; b) they actually believe this shit has some sort of meaning. god help me, "the eth dev brand" ? how the fuck is it a brand.
mircea_popescu: We will de-emphasize the ETH DEV brand (with the exception of DEVcon) and focus attention on Ethereum going forward"
mircea_popescu: "We will continue our general direction of increasing permissiveness that we began with our recent changes to branding guidelines, and emphasis on maintaining norms of common sense and civility over strict rules. We are not following in the footsteps of /r/bitcoins theymos. Discussion of EthereumXT (I suppose the closest equivalent we have is Expanse, with its 10x higher gas limit) is NOT banned.
mircea_popescu: We will make an effort to de-emphasize Skype, and emphasize Gitter as a means of real-time communication for developers. Gitter has the advantages that (i) its easier to quickly jump in and participate,"
mircea_popescu: As some initial steps, we are going to do the following:
mircea_popescu: ion and take another look at how the Ethereum foundation interacts with the community.
mircea_popescu: "The foundation is currently in the phase of restructuring its communications activities. Several members of our current communications team in London are soon leaving or reducing their involvement in the Foundation in order to pursue for-profit ventures on top of the Ethereum ecosystem; we wish them the best of luck. And so, we have both the necessity and a unique opportunity to reboot that side of the organizat
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: the problem of making future derps digest history is un fucking solvable already.
mircea_popescu: "Social business founded to open up the world of how things are made"
mircea_popescu: https://www.ethereum.org/ << impressive they crossed out "safe". unimpressive they omit to mention "ethereum is blablabla JUST LIKE RIPPLE" and "its perspectives are nil, JUST LIKE RIPPLE'S WERE".
mircea_popescu: i can't fucking believe there's 40 btc on its survival.
punkman: "Ethercoin is a proof-of-stake blockchain with a fixed supply of coins provably backed by REAL ethers purchased from the Ethereum sale"
assbot: Ethereum (ETH) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pexkvq )
assbot: Ethercoin (ETC) price, charts, and info | Crypto-Currency Market Capitalizations ... ( http://bit.ly/1YnVVDP )
mircea_popescu: vbuterinEthereum - Vitalik Buterin thehighfiveghostEthereum - George Hallam Blue-ChainEthereum - Ken Kappler avsaEthereum - Alex van de Sande crypto_jesusEthereum - Konstantin Kudryavtsev frozemanEthereum - Fabian Vogelsteller
mircea_popescu: we might as well discuss the heavenly host. purely imaginary nonsense with no practical bearing.
mircea_popescu: someone gotta explain to me on what basis the (mistaken, btw) proposition that "the UK" exists, or has a government or anything is even supposed to rest.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 11:24:12; punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. "
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-09-2015#1279471 << yeah, because that's the point of government, to try and prevent people doing what they want to do.
assbot: Logged on 19-09-2015 03:13:14; trinque: I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people.
assbot: Scrap cash altogether, says Bank of England’s chief economist - FT.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KoxA7B )
punkman: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/7967908e-5ded-11e5-9846-de406ccb37f2.html "The assumption is that if a central bank introduced negative interest rates — a radical move that would effectively amount to a charge on holding money — people would convert deposits into cash. But abolishing cash would remove that option. "
punkman: Trump: "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive."
punkman: "During our ongoing discussions with Symantec we determined that the issuance occurred during a Symantec-internal testing process." hah
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu> <kakobrekla> how the latter flows from it < dishonest software does not require honest hardware the way i see it << more or less unrelated. dishonest accountand doesn't require dishonest FED nor vice-versa < mno. what another lie to a liar?
mircea_popescu: "The organisation hopes to buy the Concorde currently on display at Le Bourget airport in Paris. If it is successful, the plane will be restored before resuming operation as a private heritage aircraft that will be flown at air displays as well as being available for charter. "
assbot: Supersonic breakthrough: Concorde could fly again within four years | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ol4oEv )
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 17:42:57; mircea_popescu: in the 70s, we had supersonic airliner. today... not.
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250310 <<< it may live again, http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/18/supersonic-breakthrough-concorde-could-fly-again-within-four-years
assbot: BitBet - The ETH scam won't see 2016 :: 10.04 B (19%) on Yes, 43.35 B (81%) on No | closing in 2 months 1 week| weight: 95`867 (100`000 to 10`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1iDIjEg )
mircea_popescu: https://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ << already worth 10k.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 16.00000000 BTC on 'No' - The ETH scam won't see 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/#b11
cazalla: damn them chicken wings were good.. 24 hours in a tub of soy and yellow box honey then smoked with mesquite.. i am snake full of chickun wingz
cazalla: https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net?qcLocale=en_US is basically what a post at the top of /r/bitcoin gets you.. front page of the interwebs my ass
trinque departs to drink and be merry with the couple of highly respectable gentlemen (such as ben_vulpes) he had the honor to meet on his tour in Portland.
mircea_popescu: Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ... ) <<< i expect they expect "men" to "fix everything" because "theyt're good at that and shit" ?
asciilifeform: (americanism. refers to the effect in question.)
gribble: Urban Dictionary: glass cellar: <http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=glass+cellar>; Labor Day's Glass Cellars and Women's Wisdom - Dr. Warren Farrell: <http://warrenfarrell.com/labor-days-glass-cellars-and-womens-wisdom/>; Who cares if men are stuck in a glass cellar? (They can change the ...: <http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2146979/Who-cares-men-stuck- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: i certainly never miss the opportunity to inquire with young female beggars, because the thing puzzles me
mircea_popescu: but missing out the cosmic anomaly ? it gotta be investigated.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, yeah white butterfly but broad beans are a good scam as the flowers trick them
mircea_popescu: how the fuck do you know in advance omaigerd.
cazalla: yes, broad beans as previously mentioned, lots of bees and insects about with the warmer spring weather
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what am i to do with the wild animal, l0l.
mircea_popescu: why did you not talk up the cosmic anomaly, aflie!
asciilifeform: either undersupply of squad cars or - as i assumed - oversupply of policemen
mircea_popescu: "somehow". shortages is the somehow.
asciilifeform: somehow they are a thing now.
mircea_popescu: lmao the bicycle cops.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps unrelated (but possibly not), near the minez where i toil there has always been beggars. as in, 24/7, the buggers beg in shifts. for a month or so there was a cosmic anomaly: a passably young gurl. and today she was dragged away screaming by two bicycle cops.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would that go.
asciilifeform: and yes, incompetence. i do not have the competences of mircea_popescu, this is not a seekrit.
mircea_popescu: what THE FUCK is younger man gonna do, blow in it ?
asciilifeform: very easy when you aren't walking the line of starvation.
mircea_popescu finds this somewhat puzzling, he has no problem competing with other men of any age. had no problem at 16 sitting 50yos on their ass, has no problem at 36 sitting 16 26 or w/e idem. i've yet to hear this magical "i'd rather go with him, he's younger" thing even.
mircea_popescu: yaya, why OTHERS don't do shit is beyond you.
asciilifeform: why ~they~ don't run off, is beyond me.
asciilifeform: plugged into the mains, so to speak.
asciilifeform: the meatwot.
mircea_popescu: they have exactly your problem, "do not wish to compete with younger men"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is their ideas of self worth are not accepted either place.
mircea_popescu: now the russians have the pincer on and there's exactly nothing the us can do to rebalance.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it worked, too. the us managed to get yet another ally for isis, at the cost of destructuring its mideastern holds.
trinque: asciilifeform: in the sense that they live lives of the strictest obedience both to some unspoken social idea of being politically "presentable" and literally to everyone involved in elevating them to what they are
mircea_popescu: not that he didn't want to. but, old men are cowardly, regardless of what they were in their youth.
mircea_popescu is kinda curious to see how that'd have went. three different presidents wanted to sack the schmuck but gave up because "political cost too great". ie, mansion.
mircea_popescu: trinque the day the retired head of the spyhouse is excruciated in public over ANY THING you know the place's dead.
trinque: I met people in TX that were a meatwot node away from the Bush family. They're *not* free people.
mircea_popescu: and of fucking course bush would not gain it, whatever the fuck he does.
mircea_popescu: yeah, the jews resisting the flames through culture all went to the castle in the mind.
mircea_popescu: many of them smaller than whatever you currently occupy.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, tons of mansions throughout the world. from romania to sudan and from albania to pakistan.
mircea_popescu: but this is me, and i don't live there.
mircea_popescu: so there you go.
mircea_popescu: first off, because there's no town.
mircea_popescu: doth not make the exceptionally large log cabin a "town house".
mircea_popescu: that a 1789 nigger may be allowed to build himself a log cabin the size of the washington momunent
asciilifeform: any more than on the moon.
mircea_popescu: yes, they can have hovels of all sizes.
mircea_popescu: there is at no point any fucking question of a) being required to take her back in or b) being required to give up the mansion.
trinque: asciilifeform: I think Bushes and everyone like them are entirely trapped
mircea_popescu: let's start with a simple thing. if x owns a mansion, and x owns a wife, and x beats the shit out of his wife and throws her into the street naked to henceforth fend for herself,
asciilifeform: the only solid hypothesis i can make re: bush et al is that they know what 'it' is, having scratched all other conceivable itches.
asciilifeform: see the old mircea_popescu article re: teenagers and sex
asciilifeform: but my 'it' doesn't work. because it is the answer of the shipwrecked sailor re: what is best in life - 'food! water!'
mircea_popescu: fucking us president, still lives worse than his grandfather,