ben_vulpes: i am emailing my father right now to see if that model is still in his basement
ben_vulpes: <danielpbarron> https://twitter.com/danielpbarron/status/577976775449300992 << this is the most badass thing
ben_vulpes: s/run/read
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov <jurov> ben_vulpes rly? you want patches for makeshift build scripts? << look either you run diff or the n people running the list do.
ben_vulpes: i'm...aware.
ben_vulpes: i brought my own last time so didn't have cause to go seeking, and no time this time.
ben_vulpes: hey speaking of where are the eager young sluts to be found in bsas?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [19:53] indescript house in omaha, married, with children. about as boring as it gets. << orgies on the yangtzee with bill gates
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [19:01] really there was absolutely no reason (apart from their tim swansonesque contemptuous idiocy) to make the nodes visible. << feel free to block 0.5.3.1 nodes if you can find them, reddit.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [18:57] but for one thing it's bullshit and for the other thing, it doesn't really wash. << nor do the workmen, and for that matter why would anyone want to be of the unwashed masses?
ben_vulpes: man the temptation to quote out of context is p. strong.
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet. < heh.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins "if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat" << heard of a thing called "vagrant"? "virtualbox"?
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> if i had a vanilla linux box here, it'd likely be no sweat << heard of a thing called "vagrant"? "virtualbox"?
ben_vulpes: <mod6> i have this idea in my mind that people know what stuff is i guess. << i keep falling for this one too.
ben_vulpes: oh man that video of subcontinental sweets is baaaad
ben_vulpes: the shopping list?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell brendafdez hey where's that shopping list
ben_vulpes: "it was cold and completely different to Africa"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> "Parents divorced at age of 9 years..." << wow jeez that's some painfully bad shit
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> check it out, she's got a wiki page an' errything : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanti_Dynamite << one really can buy anything
ben_vulpes: lol well i can't imagine you'd be against it
ben_vulpes: i'd rather assume asshats have good reason for doing what they're doing and that seems the most obvious reason.
ben_vulpes: except that it's not happening.
ben_vulpes: i don't see why not either
ben_vulpes: i mean if one's to go off the deep end, why not...go off the deep end?
ben_vulpes: and i assume that crystalspace won't build on openbsd?
ben_vulpes: gentoo doesn't have systemd?
ben_vulpes: wai no
ben_vulpes: 42 degrees problem?
ben_vulpes: cars are just such a bad idea.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: brave the traffic for lunch?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: "trip" << hilarious
ben_vulpes: a brendafdez!
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell jurov http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-January/000034.html << why not a patch file for this? just to make me diff it myself?
ben_vulpes: or anyone who might.
ben_vulpes: and damn his eyes for it!
ben_vulpes: if not mr y, then surely lizard hitler
ben_vulpes: that's enough for me
ben_vulpes: https://github.com/coinbase/toshi/issues/121 << i'm chuckling
ben_vulpes: it has c structs that get derped into whatever c db a given version is using
ben_vulpes: (except for the part where its schema is defined by the ruby orm)
ben_vulpes: it's probably no worse than the satoshi codebase.
ben_vulpes: well, up shit creek, but already and for other reasons.
ben_vulpes: "but you know you might want to move to a db that can't enforce constraints on itself like mongo, and then where would you be?"
ben_vulpes: my favorte part of rails projects is how they infrequently enforce things like foreign key constraints.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://ab-initio.mit.edu/wiki/index.php/Meep << any good?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're aware that this is actually a thing already, right?
ben_vulpes: rubby on my happy trail
ben_vulpes: grand notion
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes a web framework
ben_vulpes: more implementations is a totally fine and good thing.
ben_vulpes: 'tis a happy ending.
ben_vulpes: it's may 10 you assholes
ben_vulpes: 'tis the communist m.o.
ben_vulpes: i rather like that dichotomy.
ben_vulpes: i see it.
ben_vulpes: but they're not generally on my board 'cause they're mothers, you know? if they are on my board they're incidentally mothers.
ben_vulpes: i mean, i love 'em, don't get me wrong.
ben_vulpes: blech, mothers
ben_vulpes: the position strikes me as simply trading government intervention in free markets in one form for another form.
ben_vulpes: i suppose that argetine protectionism isn't working because "argentines are a buncha retards".
ben_vulpes: granted, retarded opionions unhoned by anything.
ben_vulpes: i began to seriously form opinions in 2004 iirc
ben_vulpes: kids on the internet pre 2001 are the only useful ones, provided they didn't form opinions until 2003?
ben_vulpes: http://naggum.no/lugm-time.html << moar naggum
ben_vulpes: von neumann did nothing wrong
ben_vulpes: softwaaaaaaare
ben_vulpes: hey Bagels7
ben_vulpes: who's freaking out?
ben_vulpes: dem incentives
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu buys coins
ben_vulpes: altcoin creator gets in wot
ben_vulpes: keep on keepin on cazalla
ben_vulpes: probably the right thing to do is to draw the parallel between braindead altcoin 'creators' and braindead copypasty ransomware operators. script kiddies, the lot of 'em.
ben_vulpes: myeah that's a skosh better.
ben_vulpes: cazalla:
ben_vulpes: "earlier versions of the popular to edit so as to make your own ransomware." << parser failure
ben_vulpes: berp of course, that's mpoe
ben_vulpes: http://www.btcalpha.com/mpex/stocks/s-mpoe/ << works for me
ben_vulpes: chikken-eats-ya
ben_vulpes: perhaps next year i'll take two weeks off and spend a few days in nyc with friends
ben_vulpes: i imagine the forbidden city is a bit more well trafficked.
ben_vulpes: i'm probably going to spend 28hrs traveling both ways, and spend 1.1k
ben_vulpes: the local airport is nominally 'international', but only to select destinations and not many into s.a., much less efficiently over to the south atl.
ben_vulpes: i live in the sticks.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: miser, pauper, it's all the same
ben_vulpes: in a day or so.
ben_vulpes: a non-sequiter.
ben_vulpes: the strategic banana is a red herring.
ben_vulpes: they own linux.
ben_vulpes: humbung!
ben_vulpes: sure, yeah.
ben_vulpes: "solemnly promise to not introduce personal expenses" etc etc
ben_vulpes: what's the mpex phrase?
ben_vulpes: pretty much all req'd to hedge against famine months
ben_vulpes: i just burnt my discretionary income on fundation expenses.
ben_vulpes: i still want to get that madonna book
ben_vulpes: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/03/wolf-richter-us-oil-bust-just-got-worse.html << pretty amazing how linear the 'fraking boom' looks in retrospect
ben_vulpes: i've been waiting for you to come around
ben_vulpes: "i will do as told." < ha this one
ben_vulpes: oh goodness madonna on stern
ben_vulpes: get kesselman in here, eh?
ben_vulpes: trinque was bitching earlier today about getting a 418 TEAPOT from a production point of sale system
ben_vulpes: oh actually lolariously
ben_vulpes: what is *wrong* with people
ben_vulpes: i just got a 400 redirect
ben_vulpes: dude what the shit
ben_vulpes: tbf i'm more likely to get fucked into quiescence than vice versa
ben_vulpes: lady v returns from travels tomorrow noon pst, so i'll likely be unavailable though the pm.
ben_vulpes: cazalla:
ben_vulpes: anyone who has other ideas re: muntzing cazalla's system please chime in
ben_vulpes: if you find that this is *not* a ram issue, i'll provide you ssh access to a thing on which you can run a bitcoind.
ben_vulpes: heirs'.
ben_vulpes: that'll have to come from my heirs legacy.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: you'll not be on the hook for b/w.
ben_vulpes: unlike some people i'm willing to train male slaves.
ben_vulpes: when i'm done with you you'll be downright valuable.
ben_vulpes: "teach a man to fish".
ben_vulpes: nope.
ben_vulpes: i will not accept 'may have'.
ben_vulpes: well i have non pogo tasks for you
ben_vulpes: aws bill was insane for last three months
ben_vulpes: please don't make me build and test more bitcoinds
ben_vulpes: cazalla: ok well are you game for some foundation support?
ben_vulpes: Are you going to argue with Bruce Schneier? I didn't think so. << amazing pedigree
ben_vulpes: hm.
ben_vulpes: 132587 << fresh sync i'm betting
ben_vulpes: was that a fresh sync or using an old blockchain?
ben_vulpes: try to preserve charcount.
ben_vulpes: OMIT any potentially sensitive data there.
ben_vulpes: and you're certain you know the contents of that logline?
ben_vulpes: twould be real funny if there were privkeys in that log statement.
ben_vulpes: heh probs.
ben_vulpes: nonstd transaction?
ben_vulpes: 00000000000001909813d3f692378c41ffa9c21e444ebac220a33137d94948c5 << point at which pasted log kicks into "orphan frenzy"
ben_vulpes: jesus fuck the qa.
ben_vulpes: eg does it wedge reproducibly, etc.
ben_vulpes: nailgun for the shitgnomes.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: this needs proving and reproduction.
ben_vulpes: well codified, thank you mircea_popescu.
ben_vulpes: this is the obvious solution, yes.
ben_vulpes: not the hardcoded list, but the list of candidates constructed at/during runtime from which a node may consider downloading blocks.
ben_vulpes: pronto.
ben_vulpes: and to tag this with the 'block download' thread: nodes that misbehave like this must be booted from the dl candidate list.
ben_vulpes: 67.70.13.210 << in 10* seeds?
ben_vulpes: if you have 0.8.6 available for inquiry.
ben_vulpes: cazalla: please run 'getblockhash 233764' and report
ben_vulpes: hm wait wrong construction
ben_vulpes: /s/considering/consider
ben_vulpes is not opening up cpp tonight, will run from flawed meatram
ben_vulpes: although is that the hash of the existing block or the incoming block and are they even the same?
ben_vulpes: << considering running 'getblockhash 233764' and seeing if it returns the same hash
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 233764 00000000000000f9386cebe790b230739587e8d554d94579e8e569b73107c472
ben_vulpes: although hard to tell if its getting blocks it already has or just 'heights' it already has
ben_vulpes: ERROR: ProcessBlock() : already have block 234015 << so your remote node is misbehaving
ben_vulpes: good god they're all like 35
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the movie...
ben_vulpes: as a side note, it's lovely to see pastebin die the good death.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: mission impossible!
ben_vulpes: anyways cazalla your mission should you choose to accept it is to run down some useful debug information from a 0.8.6 that refuses to sync. i suggest booting your bitcoind with the -debug flag.
ben_vulpes: well you have places to hunt now don't you? and a foundation to whom to report shitgnomery in the wild?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: cazalla? new?
ben_vulpes: and then THEN you need to point the thing at a known-good node and see if you get the same results.
ben_vulpes: general symptoms of shitgnomery
ben_vulpes: block number
ben_vulpes: like ~/.bitcoin/debug.log files from block where it wedges
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> ben_vulpes, i reinstall nigubuntu a few days after 0.10 came out, i forgot to backup blocks so i had to dl it all again, but not able to do so despite blowing about 100gb on trying << dude i need more than this
ben_vulpes: fiat hedge against fiat failure
ben_vulpes: gemini being the replacement-in-the-wings
ben_vulpes: who's the fractional reserve this time?
ben_vulpes: 10k by nov?
ben_vulpes: new noobs, gorgeous weather, summer runup must be impending.
ben_vulpes: <bagehot> [04:12] Another argument I've heard is that thing like 'money' and the 'economy' exist as they are because of some constraints that are present in the natural world and so those constraints, eh, cause certain behaviors << it's called thermodynamics
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagehot "normative statement" << actually now i'm not so sure i want to be around you at all even
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bagehot lmk if you want a hand with setting up networks off of the mainchain
ben_vulpes: <bagehot> [02:58] the keys used to keep bitcoins a store of value are. << wat
ben_vulpes: "do as i say, or i slay."
ben_vulpes: decimation, mircea_popescu: ksr, "We could be intruding on alien life." << isn't colonialism about coopting local structure if not eradicating them entirely?
ben_vulpes: take comfort that bitcoin exists.
ben_vulpes: dispense with dream of 'compute'. c'est la guerre.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> presently the only package of -source- i've succeeded in building into a kernel that can be used on pogo - was netbsd. << it's over. eat a strategic banana, let them have the abandoned fortresses, move to the hills and build batteries of cheapish ground and air control devices to hold no mans land, lick wounds, regroup.
ben_vulpes: <trinque> heh we're fucking children << trinque confirmed for gulagdestiny
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: p-p-plz no bully
ben_vulpes: who knows what got snipped and sewn in place during recombination.
ben_vulpes: lineage, then.
ben_vulpes: and gypsies (so family legend goes) who assimilated into the local joomunity.
ben_vulpes: jews who escaped
ben_vulpes: french mercs
ben_vulpes: if i might be so bold i bear an excellent subset of excellent american genes
ben_vulpes: like gypsies, but according to the people in question, 'smarter'
ben_vulpes: the glib retort is "we're not immigrants, we're jooz!"
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: attempt to mutate the state and you tempt him
ben_vulpes: his baleful glare burning into your soul
ben_vulpes: state is von neumann peeking through the curtain
ben_vulpes: never update your bitcoin device
ben_vulpes: oh god
ben_vulpes: is this a real thing?
ben_vulpes: oh, well. then what?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 'international cattle demarcation line' does not refer to israel?
ben_vulpes: umpteen fucking centuries of having the bottom 90% snipped off of your ethnic group is much more pertinent
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051719 << that it may be << oh come now the israel thing is totally orthogonal to the 'everyone else is cattle' attitude
ben_vulpes: i'm well aware that this is how Things Are Doneā¢
ben_vulpes: <mod6> ben_vulpes: here's v0091 of the patching script: http://thebitcoin.foundation/ml/btc-dev/2015-March/000066.html << once we have a source tree in the wild and some sort of provenance chain for it we can start talking about dvcs over email
ben_vulpes: saifedean: it's the Alps on the Riviera << oh god that sounds amazong
ben_vulpes: wouldn't it be handy to have a thing that could watch the output of n different 'bitcoin's running in real time?
ben_vulpes: new 0.8.6 chains blow up during initial sync?
ben_vulpes: your 0.8.6 all of a sudden refuses to sync further?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: what's the full story here?
ben_vulpes: this is still worth enumerating.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-03-2015#1051634 << stealth fork?
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> said.... everyone ever ? << nah. babes in haus is totally the way to go.
ben_vulpes: that set of assertions has me in knots.
ben_vulpes: that's your line.
ben_vulpes: but on the other hand "you're a parent now - you must sacrifice your whole life for the new life"
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> what's wrong is the idea that dependents can push one around in one's own castle. << myup.
ben_vulpes: GO
ben_vulpes: 600 lines of log
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: mod6: aha i see patches!
ben_vulpes: what is the /context/ for that, man?
ben_vulpes: 's how i did it in 'skool'.
ben_vulpes: but the planet's not choking under human smog or anything
ben_vulpes: lots of sun
ben_vulpes: no rain
ben_vulpes: warm
ben_vulpes: this is the most unbelievably gorgeous spring i've ever seen here
ben_vulpes: until the jews start crawling out of my skin
ben_vulpes: trinque: i'm no mircea_popescu, i have to tweak and derp and derp and tweak
ben_vulpes: i had my first relational algebra dream two nights ago
ben_vulpes: tres lulz
ben_vulpes: !s secret service agents
ben_vulpes: "yes it's entirely a good idea to lock everyone from ages 8-18 up with each other and nobody else, that won't promptly lead to all sorts of pathologies."
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> [13:29] you're up against an immense wave of shit made in china, ipads, tv, public education the constant reinforce that should you buck the status quo, you're a bad parent << jesus shit if you go *with* the status quo you're a bad parent
ben_vulpes: <gabriel_laddel> [13:15] the political position of "they're cattle, we're not" is totally A OK. << and furthermore, the #b-a creed
ben_vulpes: cazalla, gabriel_laddel: it's totarry the jooz.
ben_vulpes: sweet dreams unicodecoporeality
ben_vulpes: see you shortly
ben_vulpes: 's no recoleta, but it serves my needs adequately
ben_vulpes: righto, let's stroll through the cemetary
ben_vulpes: then i will as well
ben_vulpes: one last smoke
ben_vulpes: trinque: smokes?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i see where i went wrong vis-a-vis ibid/idem now.