kakobrekla: where is the source for 8168?
kakobrekla: to the bin!
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2015 23:09:55; kakobrekla: any pci-e nic on the market left that doesnt need to be accompanied by a binary?
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DanyAlos: It's been a while since I logged in the last time. Have you guys addressed the PoM and Diamond issue? I didn'd find it in the logs.
kakobrekla: any pci-e nic on the market left that doesnt need to be accompanied by a binary?
cazalla: ah staffer, but still, one of them
ascii_field: can have a higher received power level then a signal received directly from the GPS satellite (approx. -130 dBm), GPS receivers should start tracking the received power.'
ascii_field: 'This overall concept does appear to work, but it's still very experimental. And no, encrypting the signal will have no effect on the outcome, as this is a "layer one" physical attack. The only way to really prevent this type of "spoofing" is to use a very directional GPS receiver antenna or an antenna system with very sharp nulls towards the horizon and proper polarization. Also, since the transmitted "delayed" signal
ascii_field: i can already picture a classically apocalyptic landscape where 1980s micros are unearthed... for arrowheads.
ascii_field: aaaand you need a Real Computer that ~has~ the port.
ascii_field: caveat is that not all ppt will source the necessary current.
ascii_field: very 'cheap and angry' - but for the most part reasonable, entertainingly commented, buildable, and - very unusually - often ~original~.
thestringpuller: i love the name of it
ascii_field: possibly the first time i see something resembling a thinking man in usa with this particular affliction.
trinque begins his journey back to the land of slightly more capitalism
ascii_field: ^ worth reading for the pictures alone
ascii_field: http://mail.blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/mil/photoanglo/index.html << attempt to replicate 'photoanglo' radar-illuminated theremin-style bug described in snowden papers.
ascii_field: ^ this, rather
ascii_field: the few that i looked at closely, do not appear to break any laws of physics
ascii_field: i have not tested them.
thestringpuller: do they work as advertised?
thestringpuller: are any of these legit?
thestringpuller: how is news from the field ascii_field ?
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: on the page you linked. google ad for some war game online
Naphex: thestringpuller: maybe it pays better than teaching math and compiling shit :o
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: the google ad for AlphaWars in this context is funny.
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fluffypony: didn't realise they're ozzie
pete_dushenski: https://www.ucl.ac.uk/Bentham-Project/publications/Bentham_Cookbook/index << if you thought prison workouts were unusual, how about recipes from the guy who developed the panopticon prison concept
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2015 04:21:30; BingoBoingo: In other news, look who is back https://i.imgur.com/m3lII4v.jpg
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 23:25:34; mircea_popescu: <cazalla> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1443739727004-0.png << see pete, they be workin' them lists lmao.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 23:13:43; ag3nt_zer0: meanwhile, when they fucking leave me alone, and stop their premature luciferian meddling, I get letters like these, as a trained MUSIC teacher, SUBBING for ONE DAY: "Dear Mr. G, Hello my name is [] and you have only met me once or twice. I just wanted to tell you that you have inspired me in more ways than one to continue my career in Chemistry. I hope to accomplish many goals in my life, and nobody
pete_dushenski: not least of all because it's been a half-dozen years since i was there and i was looking to go back this winter/spring anyways
pete_dushenski: minority rule is 'bad mkay' wherever and whenever it's the 'elite', otherwise, go, enjoy.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field that's the reverse of making sense, so your point is taken.
ascii_field: the 40% or so of the population who didn't feel like learning to speak monkey, don't get to demoocracy
ascii_field: phun phakt (at least in latvia, but prolly in other baltic nazi pissholes) - 'demooocracy' was installed in slightly peculiar form - with language test
pete_dushenski: the rest ? not much afaik
pete_dushenski: they still have universities, to be sure, but not quite enough to make an entire economy out of. though kaunus is pretty much a 'college town' i suppose.
ascii_field: at one point these folks had... industry. universities. etc. but these were colonial evils, evidently, and musted die...
pete_dushenski: the kids i talked to there were all leaving to take jobs in germany and uk, there's basically nothing for them at home.
pete_dushenski: lithuania is a going concern ? in what way ? because it isn't part of mother russia ?
ascii_field: i was speaking of the other thing - the 'nordicsystem' aspect where lithuania is only a going concern at all because of us state dept., nato, cia.
pete_dushenski: your face is closer to the grindstone
pete_dushenski: less padding in the cage, so to speak
pete_dushenski: there are plenty in dc who honestly think to themselves "oh what good fortune i have to live HERE and NOW"
pete_dushenski: now, i couldn't tell you whether mircea_popescu would seriously consider hosting the conference, fourth edition in lithuania or whether he was just throwing names at the wall for shits and giggles, but i'd be more than happy to go back.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field perhaps these pictures will answer your inquiry ^
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Kaunus, Lithuania: the least terrible place for the conference, fourth edition. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/10/01/kaunus-lithuania-the-least-terrible-place-for-the-conference-fourth-edition/
BingoBoingo: hmmm.... Though maybe there's be edible forms without can
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2015 02:02:42; pete_dushenski: i'd recommend kaunus as the pick of the lot. less touristy than vilnius, more amenities and services than klaipeda.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-10-2015#1290382 << what is the appeal of living in a nato-colonial bitch orcdom?
BingoBoingo: Exactly. Also the Fast Food is strong with that one
ascii_field: nobody would amputationfetishize if it meant starvation in the gutter.
ascii_field: they even are able to retroredact newspapers, to unexist
ascii_field: as the 2nd shooter at sandyhook did
ascii_field: They can even disappear
assbot: Logged on 02-10-2015 03:51:15; cazalla: BingoBoingo, oh yeah, retards with an IQ of 60 always manage to score critical headshots and kill 30 odd people all the time here!
cazalla: BingoBoingo, oh yeah, retards with an IQ of 60 always manage to score critical headshots and kill 30 odd people all the time here!
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BingoBoingo: cazalla: See, you Aussies are the labrats http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2012/12/16/gun_control_after_connecticut_shooting_could_australia_s_laws_provide_a.html
mats: the martian 8/10
pete_dushenski: hm. more crying. thought i had this one in the bag. bbias.
pete_dushenski: looks like the best flight deals for march 2016 are about $900 and 18hrs in the air from here. definitely manageable.
pete_dushenski: i'd recommend kaunus as the pick of the lot. less touristy than vilnius, more amenities and services than klaipeda.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290040 << yes please ! in fact, i was there a year ago pretty much to the day and can vouch for the high quality food, girls, accomodations, and exceedingly reasonable prices
cazalla: damn, they locked down that shooters facebook profile really quick
ag3nt_zer0: traveling alone or with group? any distinct impressions from the american "character" hahahaha?
mircea_popescu: most of the east coast, from nh to tx
ag3nt_zer0: the only time it had any semblence of vitality in the last 3 years was the 90s, but I suppose I just had the ears to hear as I get older
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu: have you traveled to the US?
ag3nt_zer0: yeah i just wonder if thats a level or two above the derpage that rules US now... both in it's public and private sectors
ag3nt_zer0: cazalla do you live in the states?
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu yeah I hear grants are available for bringing choir music into prisons - thanks for the reminder
mircea_popescu: pity the internet killed the "music industry", he could have had cussack's job in high fidelity.
mircea_popescu: honestly... prison seems the best option anyway.
cazalla: no surprise you get sacked if you go into a public school and throw the curve, buck the status quo etc etc
cazalla: what does he do then mircea_popescu ? as far as i can tell, he wants to be paid for something that no-one is willing to pay for these days
ag3nt_zer0: i was going to do the world backpack thing 9 years ago... but I was working in a pizza kitchen and this asshole was all serious about the pepperoni, and I had this image of coming back from seeing corpses on the side of the road in india and not really having much patience to take orders from some fool who gets bent by improper pepperoni placement
ag3nt_zer0: cazalla yes I reckon i could... i have allowed myself to develop a complex I guess - used to say I want to go somewhere where I don't understand the language at all and where no one knows my name, so as not to be reminded or dragged back into the language muck and the friendship (we know who you are) imprisonment complex - so the logos can come in again
mircea_popescu: also complains that some other time the first mile fee wasn't "rounded down". one peso is, again, like six cents.
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/argentina/comments/3mzma3/historias_de_taxi/ << lulz from the no es un pais pobre.
ag3nt_zer0: not that i really believe in the whole "my country" thing that much but just that whole thing about oblivion or caring and the world in a grain of sand
ag3nt_zer0: mircea_popescu I am employed as a substitute in 2 other local districts so for the time being I will continue to do that - I guess keeping my mouth shut a bit more - just trying to save some money get out of this fallen intellectual hellhole for a bit... I know it's everywhere, but not nearly as bad as here I don't think - I just want to travel 2 yrs and record music and play music, read poetry and literature and engage i
mircea_popescu: clearly us campuses need to do more about the issue of campus rape.
cazalla: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/shooting-oregon-umpqua-community-college-article-1.2381711 The shooter was lining people up and asking if they were christian," she wrote using the lower-case C. "If they said yes, then they were shot in the head. If they said no, or didn't answer, they were shot in the legs
cazalla: apparently he was asking em if they were christian before lighting 'em up so we might have us a brown shooter for once lol
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> http://8ch.net/pol/src/1443739727004-0.png << see pete, they be workin' them lists lmao.
mircea_popescu: maybe theyjust destroy a lot of kbds while coding.
cazalla: BingoBoingo, apparently that isn't him, just some dude called eggman they are trolling cnn with
mircea_popescu: what does that mean, "is it even worth to wait for fallout 4". what are they gonna do other than wait, make fallout 5 ?
BingoBoingo: ABout the shooter: "He looks collectively like every fat weird androgynous man who has contacted me on OkCupid." https://voat.co/v/fatpeoplehate/comments/556926/2670308
mircea_popescu: <jurov> sane people either don't give a fuck or avoid engaging idiots <<< loser people. the lack of an idiot killing instinct is a larger character flaw than stupidity could ever be.
ag3nt_zer0: Severance The birds of leaving call to us Yet here we stand Endowed with the fear of flight Overland The winds of change consume the land While we remain In the shadow of summers now past When all the leaves Have fallen and turned to dust Will we remain Entrenched within our ways? Indifference The plague that moves throughout this land Omen signs In the shapes of things to come Tomorrow's child is the only child Tom
BingoBoingo: So Oregon Shooter was a pussy who couldn't even keep up the schedule he offered Reddit. ""true an hero" I should know, i'm becoming an hero next week. " https://www.reddit.com/r/4chan/comments/3k8963/anon_at_a_sleepover/cuxlqop
ag3nt_zer0: as you have. The vast world can be traveled by multiple people. I hope you have a great time in India as you keep inspiring young people like me. Your inspired student, "
ag3nt_zer0: meanwhile, when they fucking leave me alone, and stop their premature luciferian meddling, I get letters like these, as a trained MUSIC teacher, SUBBING for ONE DAY: "Dear Mr. G, Hello my name is [] and you have only met me once or twice. I just wanted to tell you that you have inspired me in more ways than one to continue my career in Chemistry. I hope to accomplish many goals in my life, and nobody has opened my eye
ag3nt_zer0: these secular humanist animal psychologists do exhibit the arrogance of satan himself... they are so convinced of their moral superiority - they love the kids! - the behavior is out of control and ruins it for the ones who want to learn - and I stood up to that, firmly, and unapologetically
ag3nt_zer0: how could I have been so naive to have dedicated my time and energy to an ideal instead of just saying it was fucked, declaring it fucked like I knew it was, etc... I couldn't. At the base of my soul seemed to be choosing to "care" or "not care" way back when I decided against oblivian as a mentality... but, and I guess you guys know, it's so fucked
ag3nt_zer0: to the "positive discipline" totalitarianism based on love and tolerance and diversity
BingoBoingo: ag3nt_zer0: Fired from the school?
jurov: sane people either don't give a fuck or avoid engaging idiots
mircea_popescu: in other boobs, http://36.media.tumblr.com/3380b304f6316c4cfc4f37211fd2d120/tumblr_nkggtr06yL1slz5jso1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: the fact that people suck. on the elite side, nobody was wise enough to use the stick. on the mass side, lazy and stupid.
mircea_popescu: the difference between linux and bitcoin is that gavin;s a laughingstock and erm is invited speaker, and hearn's barely a shitstain whereby drepper took a decade to be worked out of the thing.
mircea_popescu: maggot did not cause the corpse.
ascii_field: nah, idea is, drepper is a real live face on the murder of linux
mircea_popescu: of course they live. it's fucking impossible for most derps to even die anymore.
mircea_popescu: sure. like orlov, locklin and eric what's his face. they all live.
ascii_field: and a hundred others.
ascii_field: when the tits drop through the floor five seconds after unharnessing, it is not unreasonable to look for who pulled
ascii_field: but often they live anyway.
ascii_field: so far all i see is their victories. they destroyed linux. all but abolished - at least as far as the naked eye is concerned - actual bitcoin. etc
ascii_field: if i knew 'from whom', a) no one would believe, why should they b) i'd hang from a pipe somewhere 'accidentally'
mircea_popescu: it's an accident they even manage to meet. if it weren't fixed by tradition they gotta groan in the swamps of washington they'd prolly take two decades to get the damned senate in session.
mircea_popescu: right, because why confront the fact that it's a great day when these muppets manage to find each other's phone numbers.
mircea_popescu: florida. woman's the first republican to support same sex marriage.
mircea_popescu: random but rather fine balancing example for all teh usg agency lulz in here.
mircea_popescu: "Following the 2008 elections, then President-elect Barack Obama rang Ros-Lehtinen to congratulate her on her re-election. She hung up on him, believing that it was a prank call from a radio station. She did the same to Obama's chief of staff Rahm Emanuel when he rang to confirm the original call was genuine, and only accepted the call after Congressman Howard Berman managed to speak to her."
ben_vulpes: but have not dug in detail either.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: overhyped nyooz item. the civil fines (usa and other) still apply; and the machines still on the dealer lots will be reflashed into worthlessness
assbot: Logged on 28-09-2015 06:01:54; mircea_popescu: "So those vehicles -- 11 million of them and counting -- are damaged goods. They will *never* be able to meet environmental regulations. That means either (a) they'll need to be taken off the road or (b) environmental regulations will need to be rewritten to include a carve-out for VW diesel owners." << or ship them to pakistan.
ben_vulpes: regarding the carveout, did we do the 1970 clean air carveout from criminal charges for car manufacturers?
BingoBoingo: Nah, he's the tan hispanic guy
mircea_popescu: is this the black doctor guy ?
mircea_popescu: -validating nodes do actually process the transactions, but only the agreed ledger of the trusted validators counts for all intents and purposes."
mircea_popescu: nd the hash of the public key (account id) and if the signature is good, it disseminates the transaction to the other rippled nodes operating on the same network that it knows about. These instances pass that transaction on to nodes that it did not receive it from and this flooding should result in it being considered for adoption in a ledger by the validators running in the network by the process of consensus. All non
mircea_popescu: "Ripple transactions are serializable to a custom binary format that is cryptographically hashed and then signed by one of two schemes (ECDSA and EdDSA). This signature is then inserted back into the binary serialized form which is hashed again to produce a transaction id through which it can be uniquely identified. Transactions are submitted to a rippled node, which verifies that the signature matches the public key a
btcdrak: they renamed it to cRIPple
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mircea_popescu: "we compute daily unique ips and then add these across 700+ days because that's meaningful"
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 16:28:41; pete_dushenski: "CryptoCoinsNews, also known as CCN.LA, was launched in June 2013. After half a year with regular news updates, the site began to grow and started to employ talented journalists. After more than 2 years with 4 million unique visitors, 8 million sessions, and 18 000 000 pageviews, it is time to find a new strategic owner that can develop and push CCN.LA even further."
cazalla: plus the fact you have a new born baby to fawn over might do a lot for pain relief
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 15:11:05; diana_coman: maybe I was lucky or something but honestly all I needed was rest+food (both in huge amounts admittedly) and otherwise....
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289917 <<< pretty much what my missus did, she was up and around to the point i had to tell her to go, lay down
thestringpuller: is there something wrong with ephebophilia?
jurov: hanbot & hdbuck: you can call the s.qntr shares any time now or later, upon gpg signed request with destination coinbr/mpex account and whether it should be delivered once or always
mircea_popescu: (i did include them)
mircea_popescu: washingtongawkhuffardian had the scoop!
ascii_field: '...The Secretary of the Authors' Union / Had leaflets distributed in the Stalinallee / Which said that the people / Had forfeited the government's confidence / ... ... / Wouldn't it Be simpler in that case if the government / Dissolved the people and / Elected another?' (tm) (r) (brecht)
mircea_popescu: the stuff you make empires with ? the substance of lookingat the east and seeing juicy fruit crawling with ants ?
mircea_popescu: so then.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: srsly, what, europe did not have sufficient claymore mines to mince the invaders up ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: wake me up when the arabs go to the palaces of luxembourg, or to tony blair's house, for the phree fucks
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1290024 someone go plant an idea to ycombinator crowd they absolutely positively need such incubator space
mircea_popescu: europe is where the arabs go for free fucks.
mircea_popescu: nothing of the sort.
ascii_field: the most relevant thing, imho, is that swedish herring thing. europe had a good 600 years, but the nordicsystem herring is running out. but it sees this gigantic tub full of Phree Stuffz but with some annoying aboriginals crawling on it
ascii_field: europe ~is~ the 16yo though
mircea_popescu: maybe, at age 16, you imagine this is an idea. otherwise, it isn't. it's much better to have at least a few dozen dudes you can go drinking with.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field ok, lemme take it this way. suppose you move to a new apartment building. there's say 100 flats there. in them, unsurprisingly, 100 men and 100 women, on average.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you're a woman << LOL. well played. I just don't want to deal with the whole process of baby-momma birthing child from my end.
assbot: Logged on 05-08-2015 03:40:19; assbot: Logged on 04-03-2014 01:44:19; asciilifeform: or mrs. thatcher's 'we need no more than 15 mil. russians. to service the pipeline.'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what work. you set up the aboriginals to guard each other as they work to death in the minez
mircea_popescu: better make less rape in campuses, that's the bigissue.
mircea_popescu: a wellsure, stalin was a pretty efficient butcher, granted. but no, efficient at ringing up the score, so to speak.
mircea_popescu: why not the right word ?
assbot: Logged on 03-12-2014 06:12:02; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform take the earlier point re "stalin made an experiment of making peasant life suck more". it's a construction.
ascii_field: 'efficient' is not the right adjective - an efficient leader would have what, carried on 1700s agrarian shithole efficiently ?
mircea_popescu: there's a husband thatthe wife deeply loves, and will die for ; tthen there's a husband that makes a lot of money.
mircea_popescu: he was actually below mediocre. very convincing one, but that's not the same thing.
mircea_popescu: the problem with truly efficient leaders is that unlike mediocre ones, they actually solve the problem they were up to solve. in this sense they create their own obsolescence.
mircea_popescu: you think he dies there ? i doubt it.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 11:11:18; cazalla: is this true? "Codeine is not available over the counter in the US, most of Europe, Hong Kong, India and Japan, but about 1.3 million packets are sold at pharmacies around Australia every month."
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289639 << I select parts of the US like Kansas it is over the counter when mixed in cough syrup, but still dispensed at pharmacist discretion
mircea_popescu: i'd much rather go somewhere cool.
mircea_popescu: a new strategic owner that can develop and push CCN.LA even further." << aka it's folding up
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> I couldn't deal with the anxiety related to pregnancy and child birth. << you're a woman ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c i could but meh. i know you like it, but i can't stand the post 1980 ny.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 16:12:44; mike_c: and I know you're bored with BA already (not b-a), but is there not going to be a conf4? We could do it in NYC if you all can get in the country.
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thestringpuller: more xt lulz: 16:26 < Aquentin> all heil hearn.... down with the assets hackers
pete_dushenski: "CryptoCoinsNews, also known as CCN.LA, was launched in June 2013. After half a year with regular news updates, the site began to grow and started to employ talented journalists. After more than 2 years with 4 million unique visitors, 8 million sessions, and 18 000 000 pageviews, it is time to find a new strategic owner that can develop and push CCN.LA even further."
mike_c: bitmain.. isn't that the antminer guys?
mike_c: pete_dushenski: working on stealth (hehe) project. want to get it a bit further along before announcing.
thestringpuller: I couldn't deal with the anxiety related to pregnancy and child birth.
assbot: Logged on 01-10-2015 15:26:34; mircea_popescu: "Also mircea_popescu has disappear off the face of the earth. Its time for him to pay up. He can not be found on twitter or OTC or bitcointalk. So long shit talkers."
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-10-2015#1289930 << the graffiti on the walls of the contravex bathroom, i tell ya. i should have an app for it.
mike_c: pretty much. it's the new cool thing.
mike_c: and I know you're bored with BA already (not b-a), but is there not going to be a conf4? We could do it in NYC if you all can get in the country.
mike_c: mircea_popescu: no mpif report last month, so if there will be one this month plz make it for both months.
thestringpuller: 03:59 < dzbrak> how dare they try to silence mike
ascii_field: in other nyooz >> https://cryptome.org/2015/09/cia-ddi.htm << publicly facing faux metansa opens today!
thestringpuller: and they call us a cult...
thestringpuller: 03:59 < dzbrak> how dare they try to silence mike
thestringpuller: 03:59 < dzbrak> the blockstream coup is underway
ascii_field: '10th Annual Homeland Security Week.' '...Top 10 Priorities Guiding DHS into the Next 10 Years. Improving the Unity of Effort Initiative. Securing the Cyber Ecosystem. [moar crud snipped]'
mircea_popescu can't believe that he just had a discussion about the statistics of childbirth with a woman that has kids and is otherwise a statistician and survived untussled.
mircea_popescu has learned what little ofthe craft he knows from 1900s and other pre-war derelicts and what is this laboratory bs. you diagnose by palpation!
mircea_popescu: shush i am a male, with the patriarchical doctor mindset. women are presumed fertile!
diana_coman: so what function is it that c-section does not preserve since it was missing in the first place?
diana_coman: as it's not like 100% successful deliver the first time around
diana_coman: thing is: what is the rate of emergency c-section for first delivery?
mircea_popescu: (yes generally means "most women". but if you add the fact that only about half or so are even allowed to try to the fact that about a third (afaik ~40% but w/e) of the ones that are allowed to try fail, you come to the generally, or at least i do.)
diana_coman: then again, I'm sure I can find some data for any figure
diana_coman: "Almost two-thirds of women who attempt a natural delivery after having a caesarean section for their first birth are successful, according to a study published in BJOG: An International Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology."
mircea_popescu: wasn't the guy retired because lyf treats or something ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/48ef1d1df29f154e4f31e46034870713/tumblr_nl0i32hFIg1uno3mbo1_1280.jpg
diana_coman: thing is: presentation is not by far the end of it really
mircea_popescu: but the forceps is more of a turning/alligning instrument
ascii_field: phun phakt: the invention of the obstetric forceps was originally a trade secret of some (iirc british) schmuck.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, midwife usually pushes ever so gently.