mircea_popescu: oh the interrupt thing. yeah i can see that.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: the one i went to, actually had a chick! who was fond of meetings, minutes, paperwork, the whole shebang, and would gripe about all of this being unappreciated
gabriel_laddel: e.g., don't let smelly homeless into the neato hacker fortress in SF
gabriel_laddel: Hrm. In the silly valley the problem with these hackerspaces is typically idiots everywhere.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather be charged by angry goats.
asciilifeform: travel to and from the rathole was also an exhausting thing
asciilifeform: (the other problem is that everybody, self included, was doing it in 'spare cycles, tired from day job' mode and none of the equipment was ever really made to work / nothing ever happened
asciilifeform: at any rate, i actually tried the 'pool resources' thing phf spoke of, with buncha other weirdos. my main problem is that i find interacting with meat people to be a very mentally taxing thing.
asciilifeform: gotta wake up for a few min. every day to pump the sap
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i surmise that the oak may sleep to everything, except those times when it's awake ? :D
mircea_popescu: the interaction between the fantasyt of the superhero and the constraints of the reality got resolved by the above observation resulting in the field of the "private eye"
asciilifeform: that's just another kind of 'rich' - rich in people.
mircea_popescu: the happy travelling salesman is the salesman that has a girlfriend in every town on the route and a friendly boss at every competitor.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: yes, better. but outside the budget of a ragged dervish.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:33:48; phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
asciilifeform: can hardly wait, incidentally, for the inevitable winblowzification of the (mandatory, never mentioned publicly in usa) remote control system for passenger liners
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:38; asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:28:13; trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:22:48; trinque: and that wasn't even because of the beautiful women living there
mircea_popescu: we are all people and we will successfully rebel against the necessary effects of the mistaken belief that we are people through the mechanism that people can do whatever they want and we are people too!
asciilifeform: well sometimes moo gets out. and then ambles about for a while, interrupting traffic, until re-corralled
asciilifeform: from my readings, most of them just wanted out.
mircea_popescu: ask the fucking "start your own country" crowd, not me.
mircea_popescu: yo Naphex wouldja consider putting "get in the wot" among the tasks for performers that earn them a fee reduction ? i'm willing to support it on the other end with the cents for tits programme.
mircea_popescu: The music of John Cage, Charlotte Moorman and Annie Sprinkle will take you by the hand, correlating Gamma zeros with prime numbers! Imagine deriving Euler's constant from Stirlings asymptotic series! Imagine never living in fear or embarrassment again! This life can be your own!
mircea_popescu: "Hooked on Differential Equations" sets each of these simple concepts to music. Twisted Sister, Metallica, The Dead Kennedys,
mircea_popescu: There are only 90 primitive functional, algebraic, polynomial, logarithmic, trigonometric, exponential, and differential transformations. There are only a dozen basic tactics for methods of solution. There are only 33 rudimentary sine and cosine transforms. There are only 29 elementary classes of Fourier transform functions. There are only a few score series expansion modalities.
mircea_popescu: wolf has many liberties, but among them is not the liberty to move around ignoring the cattle herd.
mircea_popescu: same thing. at least in romania, at some point the fuckable herd, 20somethings in pr and design and whatnot, decided this is the cool.
asciilifeform: aha, from mircea_popescu's article. in the abstract.
mircea_popescu: im pretty sure twitter pivoted from the "come advertise us for free, you canthen read yourr stuff" to the v2.0 model of "thanks for all the free advertising, you can't really do anymore so now fuck off".
mircea_popescu: (from the "if money's a curse, may god strike me down with it! and may i never recover!" series)
asciilifeform: is everyone 'either a mathematicizer or a beneficiary of mathematics who must gravitate towards the mathy' ?
mircea_popescu: it is a curse, not entirely unlike, say, being born intolerant of the smell of farts.
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with either, but large groups have come to significant grief trying to deny the wall / piss uphill.
asciilifeform: it is a talent, not really entirely unlike, say, the ability to do maths
mircea_popescu: internal discipline never exists in a void. either you are a discipline factor, in which case you will, willy nilly, attract slaves and construct an ordered space, by the act of mere existence, or you are a discipline beneficiary, in which case you will slowly gravitate, also willy nilly, towards a structured space.
asciilifeform: which is where we get back to 'freedom to waste time.' ~constructively~ wasting time requires discipline. of the internal kind.
mircea_popescu: also, drunkenly beating your wife because the food was burned does not represent domestic discipline. scl.
asciilifeform: i'd like to go there one day.
asciilifeform: granted, on some planet these are separable.
mircea_popescu: the freedom to waste time is not equivalent to lack of accountability.
mircea_popescu: exploratory does too. /me has run scouts in the field, knows.
asciilifeform: exploratory research (e.g., unix at bell) is predicated on, fundamentally, the freedom to waste time.
asciilifeform: this is an old thing. goal-directed work - e.g., 'make atomic bomb for the motherland' - works with a beria holding broomstick up the collective arses of the institute staff.
mircea_popescu: to me this is a good indicator of the subiacent truth : orwell was not really a writer, just masquerading as one.
mircea_popescu: some writers write poorly under stress (orwell) ; somee other writers only wrote because hungry and hounded (balzac)
mircea_popescu: i'd say the jury's still out on this one.,
asciilifeform: not in places where folks are accountable in the quarterly sense.
asciilifeform: macsymas happen, yes. but not because brezhnevamaba willed them to exist, no.
mircea_popescu: yaimsurethey do.
asciilifeform: they make ya work a full shift in el dorado
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this incredible drive of the hobo to file off some gold from el dorado and run off with it back into the gutter.
asciilifeform: (he ran off with 'macsyma' and... well, the rest is well-known)
asciilifeform: and had the business sense / lack of scruples / strategic usg buttbuddies - to turn it into $millions
mircea_popescu: the reason "notation is worth 30 iq points" is specifically that good notations = properly crystallized topic.
asciilifeform: the subset of maths that is actually ~understood~ in the proper sense is equal to the subset that has been mechanized.
mircea_popescu: it is not terribly useful, in that nobody has a fucking clue how to approach the serious problems.
mircea_popescu: so, yes, it's math (ie, proven, correct, what have you), in which sense it physically exists, with so and so properties. just like the petrified shit in the peat.
mircea_popescu: it needs to be A LOT more crystalline before it does any serious damage to the walls of the world.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel a large part of the problem is that math is very poorly structured.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember reading it, and at the time I couldn't tell if you were discussing seriously using V as a basis for academics, or just the general notion of having a explicit academic WoT.
asciilifeform: well i personally never smelled the mice
mircea_popescu: oh right, cuz you used to work at the mice farm, it's starting to come back to me
mircea_popescu: anyway, leach, great book. i dun think i understood most of it, but nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with you!
mircea_popescu: the models are shit because math is broken because idiots do strings theory and social fucking "sciences"
asciilifeform: mainly on account of the models being shit.
asciilifeform: meanwhile them pyramids not doing so hot.
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:54; phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-10-2015#1293720 << myeah, it's one of those massive slogs that nevertheless have to be done.pretty muchonly argument in favour of a state, to pay for the pyramids.
mircea_popescu: contrary to what you might think, these are basically human pick-and-place machines.
gabriel_laddel: why the dentist & plastic surgeon?
mircea_popescu: just... god help the army led by an argentine general ; or the country led by an argentine president etc. it'd do about as bad as the usarmy/usa.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the street has yet to be invented in romaniawhere all the cars are parked within the same two inches from the sidewalk.
asciilifeform: the lot at my mechanic's shop is like this.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you wanna hear the cherry ?
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 03:14:21; asciilifeform: rather than ab initio
mircea_popescu: and in other san francisco news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/aa9cc27e8bf2903cf218434a2110265d/tumblr_nor72xxgPO1skcp7po1_1280.jpg
gabriel_laddel: punkman: what are you looking for? I'm pretty familiar with the current state of the docs.
punkman: gabriel_laddel: is there a mirror of mcclim.cliki.net?
gabriel_laddel: last piece in the complete CLIM desktop experience
BingoBoingo: <punkman> https://www.qualys.com/2015/10/02/opensmtpd-audit-report.txt << Big thread on OpenBSD-misc mailing list. Only consensus is mitigated outside the daemon on OpenBSD, gentoo maintainers port it wrong, and at least it isn't sendmail
punkman: http://www.khaosodenglish.com/upload/files/1444192000_kalaland03.jpg "Citizens Against Single Gateway first struck 30 Sept. when more than 100,000 people loaded and reloaded six major government websites until their servers were paralyzed."
punkman: "Windows 10: Off to the Hottest Start in History" "In just a few short months, it’s been incredible to see more than 110 million devices already running Windows 10."
punkman: what's next, they finish php6?
BingoBoingo: phf: But if you get that elaborate it looks like you care about their otherness. Far easier to get a ghostbusters pillocase and start with that for the alibi.
phf: BingoBoingo: so apparently those masks could get a lot more elaborate then just a pillowcase with eye holes, http://imgur.com/r/creepy/xdNRHH3
punkman: "We try a chest X-ray, turning up the power to the maximum setting. All we see is white: The patient’s body is just too thick to allow standard X-rays to penetrate to the bones; he is a walking lead shield."
BingoBoingo: "Though I have no way of knowing it, within a few months a crane will hoist the patients body through a hole cut in the side of his house, a hole that allowed EMS personnel to lower the body onto their new ultra-wide, ultra-sturdy gurney."
BingoBoingo: "he seems to find succor in knowing that theres no comment so cutting that it cant be soothed by the balm of 8,000 calories per day."
assbot: A morbidly obese patient tests the limits of a doctor’s compassion - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1GvDcv5 )
BingoBoingo: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/a-morbidly-obese-patient-tests-the-limits-of-a-doctors-compassion/2014/02/24/faf80438-7df9-11e3-9556-4a4bf7bcbd84_story.html << "Dont put him in a room right over the ER, whispers the unit secretary to the admission clerk. The floor wont support him. Hell come crashing through and kill us all."
BingoBoingo: Also impossible to make a case in a just system for extortion as no one has been threatened afore. In the worst case, if things work right hard to make a case that there was any connection between events at all.
BingoBoingo: phf: This is why I love bars. People have no idea if they know you or not and will talk as if old friends. This isn't favors. This is a nuclear option.
phf: known as блат in russian, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blat_(favors). though that word is more often used in context of getting ahead i think it basically applies to overall structure of society. when shit hits the fan you call a your sister's husband's uncle who's a general, "vasily mikhalich, this is such and such..."
phf: i remember reading about chinese equivalent and noticing many similarities. they have a cool word for it, but i can't recall it
gabriel_laddel: phf: sorta like the chinese system?
BingoBoingo: But seriously, the point of all of my drunk ramblings tonight ought to be learned early on the playground well before adulthood. If you know you are being harassed, keep evidence. Make the harasser's friends look like idiots by pretending to be their friend, and keep multiple copies of the evidence spread around in both probable and improbable places. Skipping some more probably places.
BingoBoingo: phf: Not all of them are so bad, but yeah... Dat Beetus gangrene
BingoBoingo: I have to imagine other USian residents here have similar stashes.
BingoBoingo: phf: A man does agress with other people's words. USG does that. Ethics demands you only defend with that.
BingoBoingo: Mebbe I got people in the US house? Maybe I got people in the Illinois house... Maybe I got people in the US Senate, Maybe I got people in the Illinois senate.
phf: stand up and be counted show the world that you're a man
BingoBoingo: Feds read this channel so not like they weren't warned, though they might be miffed at my idea of local and other things...
BingoBoingo: I got enough tape of local pols saying racist things to make a Preet believe I was a footsoldier in THEIR conspiracy of hatred
BingoBoingo: It has been a long while since home has been hasseled though, and the fucking same black person driving my street several times in the same day is as suspicious as fuck.
BingoBoingo also seriously though FBI office in Peoria was just there for the occasional drug bust and making sure the Israelies don't manage to steal all of Catepilar's tractors in one go
BingoBoingo: Both came out of the fucking Peoria field office, like fuck. St Louis is right fucking there.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: and photos of that agent << The Treasury department's agent's name was Broachwala or some shit. Dot Indian. FBI refused to leave card, but ginger presumably Irish asshole/
phf: i'm moving to dc again, so will pay them a visit
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc. << I have disorderly conduct misdemeanor pending in neighboring county. Fed visit is on pre-qntra blawg
asciilifeform: (of the stratospheric variety)
asciilifeform: last i heard, they were doing balloons
asciilifeform: it is still there. i haven't visited in years.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I have a photo of the agent's card, actually
BingoBoingo: Everyone working public safety professions in town knows that happened there. Yet cop is cheap enough to rent there?
asciilifeform: phf: everything was either entirely dead or half-worked
gabriel_laddel: trinque: unless I'm greatly mistaken, he has a court case for something or other physical and US dept of treasury agents have dropped by his house b/c btc.
phf: asciilifeform: i think main use case for a hackerspace is place to deploy own oversized equipment, but have the location subsidized by "makers". most i've been to would go through the typical list of "3d printers", eventually followed by "and here's a cnc laser cutter etc. that you can only use if you ask such and such nicely and make he'll let you under his supervision"
trinque: gabriel_laddel: cause maybe he doesn't want to say what got them interested
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but driving menacingly past your house ? << Why does local probationary cop live in the Murder duplex across from my present residence? either ignorance or malice
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> why bother ? << Because they know black people don't live hear, and they want me to call local PD because they anticipate racism.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> what's it to you. << My street is tar and macadam, that would tear it up. Literally one input goes to the county fairgrounds racetrack pit and my street. The other goes to my street.
asciilifeform: why bother ?
asciilifeform: i mean, it is one thing if they break the door with demolition charges, drag you out in your nighties, and take you to 'the farm' where you can sit in the coke machine and cough out private key bits for 20 yrs.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude << You don't need an image to recognize broke ass USG Denzel Washington wannabe
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what'd be the point?
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: The pics would be for our intel systems dude
BingoBoingo: So, lets address some points about my current situation: 1) Hai FBI I noticed your Negro in the Lexus driving the street in front of my house three times today that I will admit to catching.
trinque: I thought the point was to go fast ripped
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: and write a Qntra article about walking off the reserve.
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs? << Not just any old gangs, specific kinds
asciilifeform: phf: i tried the 'hackerspace' thing, at its best it was an ick
gabriel_laddel: BingoBoingo: yea, but I thought you were scared of the gangs?
phf: apartment living goes well with other outsourced infrastructure, i.e. ghetto warehouse for your lathe-placement-needs. you can do it on the cheap by pulling resources at a hackerspace
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: wouldn't that be a collectible and costly rarity ? << They are. But also fuel efficent.
asciilifeform: then anything bigger than a lift cabin is burned $
trinque: most of my work involves the device in my lap currently, don't need tons of space
BingoBoingo: trinque: I am trying to become sufficiently unpoor to get a 20-15 year old compact pickup. I filed that into the long term goal category.
asciilifeform: but they also had elektron microscope ?
trinque: the apartment I just looked into, my dick ripped my pants
BingoBoingo: And far southern Illinois is more Ozark than Missouri
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: and this is something like the size & shape of avg. american folk from twain's time, even.
BingoBoingo: Culturally then
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I am not particularly impressive in the flesh. I am a super featherweight trapped in a super welterweight's 5'7" body
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 02:13:54; BingoBoingo: Big Negro Savior though came out from the bushes an grabbed Jimmy when he popped me in the Jaw. Jimmy was missing the rest of the semester. Apparently he transfered.
asciilifeform: most of them end in 'and she went to med school'
asciilifeform: plenty of folks have tales involving these
phf: hah, i know some people working on that nci db of plausible compounds, part of the whole potomac russian jews community
asciilifeform: rather than ab initio
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at any rate, 'plausible synthesis' has a rough meaning. ask PeterL perhaps to explain in detail. but yes, synthetic vitamin B was a nobel. beyond a certain point of complexity, one tries to harness living things to crap out the goods
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2013 14:21:38; asciilifeform: lab girl had round-the-clock headaches for six months. went to every conceivable doctor, brain scans, the whole shebang.
asciilifeform: (and the occasional lab gurl with holes in gloves...)
asciilifeform: which would then be tested on cell culture; followed by rodents
asciilifeform: they would come back in crated vials.
mircea_popescu: no, i know the thing, and ftr a number like that has been thrown around pretty much ever since the major synth advances of the 80s
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ran models, churning through astonishing qty of cpu cycle, and sent off db entries to orc lands for synthesis
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we had a db from u.s. national cancer institute of a few million plausibly-synthesizable compounds, largely of unknown effect (never organizedly fed to any living thing)
gabriel_laddel: they suck
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suppose i ought to clarify where i learned the figure and how.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ? << Violently
mircea_popescu: so can i have polymerizable water ? or is this "anything" limited by other criteria than "what you can describe" ?
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: and when you get sc4mz0r3d, take wrong pill, croak, does your ghost negrate the test house ?
gabriel_laddel: I wish the black market folk would get their shit together, start buying spectroscopy equipment and setup "trap houses" where you can go verify the pharma you buy is what you think you're buying.
BingoBoingo: I reverted to considering the "chicken tax" where a foreign made Ford Ranger of year old vintage would cost more to sell in USIA than an F-250 Super Duty with the OMGWTFBBQKINGRANCHDRESSING package, because arbitrarity.
asciilifeform: and the price of pharma
BingoBoingo: <gabriel_laddel> which is to say !s anything made for $20k or so << I dare you to deliver to me a Compact pickup truck in the United States less than 3 years old. The problems are known.
assbot: Logged on 23-09-2015 02:04:53; asciilifeform: with no bureaucratic obstacles in the way (Officially not intended to be fed to human) - can get ANYTHING made for $20K or so, in Kg+ qty.
gabriel_laddel: I love how *everyone* either missed or ignored where ascii was taking the "cocaine sales practice as a measure of USG power, whatever its form" thread.
BingoBoingo: More pronounced widow's peak and smaller tits, then I might confuse that for a girl I liked in High School
mircea_popescu: in other news, do you know where your girlfriend is ? http://40.media.tumblr.com/62d6ff1af0a27d669fb1ee40459a3b37/tumblr_nox7k8dSJw1uo56n1o1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: eh, they can count it later.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding. << ONly happened how many times in actual BTC governance?
mircea_popescu: ie, the better industry won that time. obviously you can throw some away because "variance'
mircea_popescu: so much so high street jewelers were taking full page ads lambasting the hoarding.
mircea_popescu: moreover... i seem to recall some bigshot names trying and miserably failing to corner the silver market.
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll? << Won on promisatory notes, not completely paid to this day
funkenstein_: wait, Hearst, Mellon, and DuPont had the lesser bankroll?
trinque: mircea_popescu: if one's considering rules for the masses, probably better to keep a lid on the stuff
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ the problem you face is explaining why the guys with the lesser bankroll won.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, the soy because estrogens thing has a much better conspiraci score than the dupont hemp thing.
mircea_popescu: trinque the notion that devil ~= altered mental state is older than africa really. it's an universally recognised human truth.
funkenstein_: but facing guys with guns and infinite bankroll, the stuff went to hide for a while
funkenstein_: Jefferson I think thought it would lead the usa to greatness
mircea_popescu: for that matter, ropemaking was THE FIRST industrial process. everywhere.
funkenstein_: good question! it did back in the day.
mircea_popescu: shit, half the fucking thing was making ties.
BingoBoingo: Even Ayn Rand ranted about the evils of soy
BingoBoingo: Soy won in the US because it actually grows like a weed and it estrogens bind to its proteins emasculating a dependant hog population at the expense of making them... Hammy and Planety
funkenstein_: trinque i doubt it. nobody really cares if some people go mess up their minds
trinque: weed and other drugs were much more likely banned because the people (in the US, probably elsewhere) were ignorant and equated altered mental states with tha debil
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp << Soy
assbot: A Southern-Fried Sleepover at New York’s First Chick-Fil-A, Or How I Won a Year’s Supply of Chicken ... ( http://bit.ly/1FW2t6L )
BingoBoingo: In other news Gawker Media can't feed their writers without coupons from people the "Oh,So Hate"
mircea_popescu: sure pays off happens. but why did the inferior side prevail ? didn't the better industry have more money ?
mircea_popescu: seems, from a purely theoretical perspective, that if the orcs beat the humans, it's likely the humans sucked in some respect.
funkenstein_: somebody pays of a sycophantic congressional body. happens all the time.
funkenstein_: show me, next to the soap, industrial hemp
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Seriously what the fuck is Dupont compared to Monsanto
BingoBoingo doubts lizards exist because more drugs would allow more potential lizards to be disqualified from their scales
funkenstein_: BingoBoingo, well I'm not sure about that but "scholars argue that the goal was to destroy the hemp industry largely as an effort of Hearst, Andrew Mellon and the Du Pont family."
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business << ANd G-13 story involves MK-Ultra
mircea_popescu: it does serve the role of honest signal exceedingly well.
mircea_popescu: secondarily for the shoes and etc. people who can afford a bowl can usually afford whatever else teen might think she wants.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf << /me thinks great eventual colonization project would be Coyogi's
funkenstein_: meanwhile other parties pursued a ban on colombian exports and secured the borders as well as supply lines
funkenstein_: The "jack herer" street story is that dupont orchestrated worldwide ban on hemp to pursue synthetic fiber business
mircea_popescu: <funkenstein_> was this before the dupont campaign? << specific sino-soviet relations point. 70s.
asciilifeform: but the uniform prohibition on every conceivable thing that diddles neurons, ~is~ an organized usgism
asciilifeform: it is hemp in approximately the same sense that a chihuahua is a wolf
funkenstein_: was this before the dupont campaign?
trinque: I think the addictive aspects of cocaine vary wildly person to person
funkenstein_: might be compared to the debeers empire as well
asciilifeform: thing is, dope in usg (and 'international treaties' as they presently exist are ~pure~ usgtronics) is not about dope, but about empire. if tomorrow no one wanted to snort coke, something else (can you say warez?) takes its place as excuse to feed standing army of stormtroopers
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But that is leaf amenable to further processing. Best lock the active into another wax for the posturing.
mircea_popescu: cocaine is supposed to be this rite of passage for the more fit teenaged girl,
funkenstein_: you can get benzocaine gum, basically the same thing