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ben_vulpes: Chillum:
ben_vulpes: because he's building a robo-remitter?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: well something has to poke the wallet in an automated fashion
ben_vulpes: <Chillum> you guys should make a white paper << myeah. someday, i'm sure.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: and if the web host talking to the API gets compromised?
ben_vulpes: chill
ben_vulpes: perhaps throw an error on boot if someone tries to use the tls flags.
ben_vulpes: me neither.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: some day i'd like this thing to not even have a json/rpc api.
ben_vulpes: if you haven't, stop in here and expose your ignorance for all.
ben_vulpes: if you *want* to run it, and *can* read the provided documentation, do so.
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3.1 is not for use in 'anger'.
ben_vulpes: the thing calling into your wallet is also an attack point
ben_vulpes: Chillum: what precisely are you building?
ben_vulpes: Chillum: programmatic BTC remittance?
ben_vulpes: maybe instead of "herp derp i pinions bros" you might start by asking "why did you rip TLS out with such anger and speed?"
ben_vulpes: there is more context in this channel than dreamt of in all of reddit, Chillum
ben_vulpes: <Chillum> [14:55] In my opinion SSL is not a turd to be ripped out << dude this is a something like 4 month long project going on here
ben_vulpes: has use cases?
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3.1?
ben_vulpes: matt derpin
ben_vulpes: !raet bahahara 10 warrior of justice
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS
ben_vulpes: in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste?
ben_vulpes: Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0?
ben_vulpes: anyways, i must off.
ben_vulpes: (if i read the cee pee pee correctly)
ben_vulpes: naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain
ben_vulpes: they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills.
ben_vulpes: blocks with no chain ancestry.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pogo's in the mail.
ben_vulpes: bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list.
ben_vulpes: pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving.
ben_vulpes: rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first
ben_vulpes: anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_
ben_vulpes: is that the headers-only thing?
ben_vulpes: "simple payment verification"
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: what.
ben_vulpes: "overengineering is like cocaine"
ben_vulpes: fuck it, ship it.
ben_vulpes: the latter i don't care too much about.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary?
ben_vulpes: someday.
ben_vulpes: yeah, "could".
ben_vulpes: mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet.
ben_vulpes: cant' use a pogo to send btc
ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
ben_vulpes: on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there?
ben_vulpes: 'cause needs discussion.
ben_vulpes: yeah, it's down at 12
ben_vulpes: but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating
ben_vulpes: "pogo variant"
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will?
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already?
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ << no, this is a consensus project.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << a few, yeah
ben_vulpes: nono, they come pre-compromised.
ben_vulpes: the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious.
ben_vulpes: this, ftr, is why i use gmail.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073477 << btw, not a problem if you use gmail as an smtp server instead of as a mail client
ben_vulpes: KISS, as they say.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys...
ben_vulpes: hm. i'll read your documentation before embarrasing myself further...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo?
ben_vulpes: y'r a dear
ben_vulpes: persnickety sob
ben_vulpes: seeds included in tarball?
ben_vulpes thinks more
ben_vulpes is a total country bumpkin re: anything combudder
ben_vulpes: and shouldn't this discussion be looking at ipv6 as well?
ben_vulpes: and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers
ben_vulpes: there are just nodes on the network
ben_vulpes: there is no friend/foe
ben_vulpes: lol y not
ben_vulpes: i thought boxes were user-flashed!
ben_vulpes: perhaps must be supplied with keys on initial flash
ben_vulpes: alternatively, with arbitrary keys.
ben_vulpes: if we're to entertain updating, operators *must* be able to update without foundation keys.
ben_vulpes: signing updates to seed list.
ben_vulpes: so if i might be forgiven for conflating things, should not any subset of the wot graph be able to use their own keys?
ben_vulpes: 2) using enemy's keys
ben_vulpes: 1) hardcoding of seeds by enemy
ben_vulpes: i may be wrong and stupid, but i'm willing to be corrected and learn
ben_vulpes: it seems you object to 2 things
ben_vulpes: you'll note, not arguing.
ben_vulpes: i'm reading, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: swinging sticks at each other in the muddy courtyard
ben_vulpes: heh yeah
ben_vulpes: maces and bludgeons
ben_vulpes: you'll see that if you run ./auto.sh more than once, non?
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << myup, fat-fingered the expiration
ben_vulpes: me, i have beds to burrow into
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6: keep it up
ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated.
ben_vulpes: okay i'm logged
ben_vulpes: "two decades of malicious microsoft sales. you have to expect the attacks, and the schools are simply the widest-open targets."
ben_vulpes: just had a "don't blame the hackers" conversation.
ben_vulpes: and you can take fifty of them with you in a backpack...anywhere.
ben_vulpes: it's just disposable.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> we're assholes, yet here we are trying << "a for effort"
ben_vulpes: hooray you fiend you
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> seems that's 64 bit only now o.O << ahaha in between this line and my logreading mod6 posted a patch
ben_vulpes weeps for log
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell brendafdez yo you know anyone renting bikes at not retarded tourist prices?
ben_vulpes: heh i like that.
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list, attn asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, mod6, nubbins`, decimation, trinque et al
ben_vulpes: what does that even *mean* asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: kark its breeks lol
ben_vulpes: anyone who runs without -connect is asking for it in the arse.
ben_vulpes checks turdolator
ben_vulpes: maybe?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: right hang on let me diddle this text for a second
ben_vulpes: then send *from*
ben_vulpes: well, send *to*
ben_vulpes: sync with mainnet
ben_vulpes: build
ben_vulpes: nubbins` pre-release regression testing is pretty dumb-dumb right now
ben_vulpes: bastard block fix.
ben_vulpes: and no, it's not pogo
ben_vulpes: i'm calling on you lol
ben_vulpes: nubbins`?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: guess what #2 is
ben_vulpes: 1. Cut a build
ben_vulpes: Goals:
ben_vulpes: i get to strike #1 off the foundation todo list!
ben_vulpes: ah hey check it out!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? << this actually raises the all-important question of priority list
ben_vulpes: hyuuu
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else. << i think i found where this started
ben_vulpes: gotcha.
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you *built* a chute?
ben_vulpes: i don't understand what's so special about 'tandem operable'
ben_vulpes: i do this regularly, but in what scenario today?
ben_vulpes: tandem-operable?
ben_vulpes: don't ask me what everyone doesn't know
ben_vulpes: k well write a bitcoind then shiva
ben_vulpes: leastaways no time soon.
ben_vulpes: it's a subtle rapier, not a thing for use in anger.
ben_vulpes: it pins the protocol
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> mod6 i should stress that *none* of the hardening options are included in that makefile, and it really should not be used for anything other than reference << see, reference y'all
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> ben_vulpes mod6 mircea_popescu and other interested parties: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=uJQDaKcz << neat
ben_vulpes: couldn't resist, boss
ben_vulpes: you like things?
ben_vulpes: that's a lot of dust...
ben_vulpes: dc air must be miserable
ben_vulpes: a cm?!
ben_vulpes: yeah, that.
ben_vulpes: since when is the pogo my project?
ben_vulpes: no shit.
ben_vulpes: for pogos?
ben_vulpes just cracked the craptop
ben_vulpes: see malice and incompetence.
ben_vulpes: blocks for the block god
ben_vulpes: aws, however, haas not.
ben_vulpes: i've lost track of how many times i've done it.
ben_vulpes: 'tis a miserable march.
ben_vulpes: hear hear
ben_vulpes suspects a sybil
ben_vulpes: hence the startup as flamethrower fueled by bezzlars metaphor.
ben_vulpes: burning suckers' cash always is.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell nubbins care to share your darwin recipe?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i need something beyond "turd" now
ben_vulpes: okay fine, share your recipe
ben_vulpes: 30 minutes is for strangers
ben_vulpes: the voice persists with your connection
ben_vulpes: it's not so bad
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c i've got high hopes for the wot-site -- you set a high bar with WoL
ben_vulpes: now's your chance to !up yourself, marteen
ben_vulpes: !gettrust brendafdez
ben_vulpes: oh, ah.
ben_vulpes: as far as the wot goes, you are actually the newest member.
ben_vulpes: brendafdez: you must be new here :P
ben_vulpes: "couldn't agree more, dear."
ben_vulpes: although, entertainingly, every day the election cycle grows closer, babe-o-tron grows more insistent about spending 2016 out of the country.
ben_vulpes: still fueling this rocket over here.
ben_vulpes: kind of only insofar as it might get me lower price tickets
ben_vulpes: interested in derpy small-scale arbitrage opportunities.
ben_vulpes: i hope you're happy, jnerula...
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.brendafdez.1:285f1f9f410f44c13ace2538b25bd5d53eec2cc674b822e19fc67a1a35827a2f
ben_vulpes: !rate brendafdez 1 blood for the blood god
ben_vulpes: hm well try it and let me know, eh?
ben_vulpes: !v assbot:ben_vulpes.rate.marteen.1:7944d2caed41fbbd7aa09e713e695bfc06bea154bf64946071175cb7f764ac6f
ben_vulpes: !rate marteen 1 new blood
ben_vulpes: brendafdez: just out of curiosity, do many people have things delivered across the river and shuttle them over via ferry?
ben_vulpes: full fingerprint, marteen. "long", as they say.
ben_vulpes: well duh, assbot.
ben_vulpes: !register 15F6BD45240C4679C5F559B5050434ED71A1704C
ben_vulpes: marteen, you'll want to register with assbot for this crowd.
ben_vulpes: in more ways than one
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-03-2015#1064798 << oh come now it's because your salesforce is down there and sales is nasty dirty work programmer folk hate to do.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i give up, how are a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog the same?
ben_vulpes: then you must've been there!
ben_vulpes: we all know how the bsasians are about their 'security'
ben_vulpes: no, wot participation.
ben_vulpes: that's your insecurity speaking.
ben_vulpes: difference being...
ben_vulpes: whereas indiancandy is just that hilarious hoo-er
ben_vulpes: brendafdez is that weird chick from ba
ben_vulpes: nobody's going to take you seriously until you buy in
ben_vulpes: marteen: basically it's a gpg-backed ident thinger
ben_vulpes: hyuuu
ben_vulpes: yous ay it
ben_vulpes: trinque: plz to not overload !help
ben_vulpes: oh god now i'm getting spammed by bots
ben_vulpes: !help
ben_vulpes: linked a bit back
ben_vulpes: dtsd << makes me think of that eegan story asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: marteen: get in the wot then, eh?
ben_vulpes: marteen, you savvy gpg?
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot marteen
ben_vulpes: can it be ptsd if i'm still living the nightmare?
ben_vulpes: plz stahp
ben_vulpes: this triggers my america ptsd
ben_vulpes: no trigger plz
ben_vulpes: plea bargin for sex offender or fight us for your life
ben_vulpes: it actually comes down to the "fight me and see" attitude of the attorneys
ben_vulpes: piss in public - sex offender
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: everyone's a sex offender in the states.
ben_vulpes: marteen: what brings you around here?
ben_vulpes: look at the boys trying to gently inculcate sense into her
ben_vulpes: priceless
ben_vulpes: oh god this ubuntu from africa thread
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