assbot: Logged on 08-10-2015 00:55:27; mircea_popescu: man who the fuck was the bright mind that made the camera usb connector not also charge the camera while connected.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-10-2015#1294601 << unless 'phone' camera, this is sop. just another reason kids like their swiss army knife iDiddles.
pete_dushenski: not sure how this will play out for cars under warranty, but for cars off-warranty, the decision to use an independent shop has never been more clear cut
pete_dushenski: and there's really no guarantee that the dealership wouldn't surreptitiously "fix" your ride even if you went in for something as innocuous as an oil change.
pete_dushenski: you'd basically have to be mentally retarded to take your vw/merc/mazda/anygoddamdiesel in to the dealership for any of the upcoming recalls. they WILL neuter your car and cost you money.
pete_dushenski: bingoboingo and even a pig ear is still an artificial nipple. not artificial in the sense of it being plastic, but in the sense of it being attached to a real woman's tit. so there's that.
pete_dushenski: and royal sir baby henry or whatever his name is, niko is not. my kid's pretty much a worm until he proves otherwise.
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assbot: Italian porn actor, Rocco Siffredi, launches ‘University of Porn’ for aspiring stars | Europe | News | The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1P4zaBM )
assbot: Four more carmakers join diesel emissions row | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1G36MNJ )
BingoBoingo: In other news, not just VW http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row?CMP=twt_gu
punkman: "The study also addressed St. Louis city's efforts to use eminent domain and relocate residents to put together a 100-acre urban site for the construction. It found that there would be "long-term beneficial effects to individuals who are relocated."
jurov: BingoBoingo: the link does not work
jurov: the putin pic is simply genial
punkman: https://github.com/auchenberg/volkswagen "Volkswagen detects when your tests are being run in a CI server, and makes them pass." hue
ascii_field: http://techcrunch.com/2015/10/07/amazon-launches-snowball-a-rugged-storage-appliance-for-importing-data-to-aws-by-fedex << lulzy. calls to mind the 'bandwidth of a boeing full of tape' ancient wisdom.
assbot: Four more carmakers join diesel emissions row | Environment | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1FWEqVn )
punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/09/mercedes-honda-mazda-mitsubishi-diesel-emissions-row ahaha
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2014 23:34:30; ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: http://cascadianhacker.com/rm_rf_upnp.tar.gz << i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks.
ascii_field: see, e.g., their 'cisco struck a blow against hackerz!1111' idiocy
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 14:29:58; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl. << peeps gotta understand that there's really nothing magical about longer numbers. if your computer can add bits, it can add 64 of them also. which is how we were doing arbitrary precision math on the z80, too.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295551 << ~you can~ scoop out the ocean with a tea cup, was the point. but not in time for anything.
thestringpuller: the first one wasn't compliant but I think he applied for a fed license and he started acting weird after that.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: so looking into the deathandtaxes he was "running a business" in the unknown interim to replace his bitcoin4cash business or whatever
mircea_popescu: bitcoin puts a time limit on it, of course, but that's all. hence the clock issue.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl. << peeps gotta understand that there's really nothing magical about longer numbers. if your computer can add bits, it can add 64 of them also. which is how we were doing arbitrary precision math on the z80, too.
mircea_popescu: them.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> '[derpage snipped]' << who the fuck is 'we' ?! << i think you know who the fuck is "we".
mircea_popescu: cazalla> but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis << part of australia's values is hypocrisy. problem ?
thestringpuller: "uARM is certainly no speed demon. It takes about 2 hours to boot to bash prompt ("init=/bin/bash" kernel command line). Then 4 more hours to boot up the entire Ubuntu ("exec init" and then login). Starting X takes a lot longer. The effective emulated CPU speed is about 6.5KHz, which is on par with what you'd expect emulating a 32-bit CPU & MMU on a measly 8-bit micro. Curiously enough, once booted, the system is somewhat usabl
thestringpuller: i wonder if a bitcoin company will call itself triangle in the future
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see mircea_popescu's article
asciilifeform: z80 box won't keep the blockchain ~only~ on account of slow instruction clocl.
thestringpuller: he's been acting funny ever since then
thestringpuller: Until the state of VA came and shut down his business.
asciilifeform: 'Given that we are expecting to soon switch from RSA to ECC for improved security and that the current base of OpenPGP implementations supporting ECC is quite small, I would recommend not to allow a second fingerprint format for v4 keys but to bind a new fingerprint format to a v5 key packet version.' << who the fuck is 'we' ?!
asciilifeform: 'While I focused myself on the technical side of mining and over time found it very difficult to keep up-to-date even with this narrow sub-topic, DaT always seemed capable of following any development in the bitcoin world. Take a look at his essay supporting block-size increase as an example of his contribution.' << mega-l0l
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 11:59:36; cazalla: but they stop the same muslims from leaving australia to go fight with isis
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-10-2015#1295449 <<< something is off, i'm sure you remember the claims of 30k traffic per day or whatever it was
cazalla: "It is not compulsory to live in Australia, if you find Australian values are, you know, unpalatable, then there's a big wide world out there and people have got freedom of movement," Mr Turnbull said.
davout: jurov: i'd say it's the former (hence 8 bits) that makes it 'impossible', instead of simply 'impractical'
jurov: davout i guess because it can either hardly fit whole block into addressable memory and/or do ecdsa fast enough
punkman: from same thread: "If Collision attacks become viable for SHA-1 fingerprints, then they would probably also become viable for subkeys as well, and it might be possible for an attacker to generate a subkey with a collision for the cross-certifying signature, and be able to graft a false subkey onto a master key with a SHA-1 signature, which would definitely be a key compromise."
davout: "This gained us the benefit of having a bijective connection between fingerprint and key." <<< lolwut
punkman: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/1-dead-dorm-shooting-northern-arizona-university-article-1.2391149
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 01:44:12; BingoBoingo: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/spec/amp-html-format.md << In other news Google struggles to get up to qntra's mobile friendly design
davout: "I was very well aware of the involved risk, but at the same time I felt it is not worse than putting my coins into pre-orders of mining equipment or into doubious bitcoin companies. After being defrauded and betrayed by so many, my hope was straight and simple: if there is one person to remain honest, it must be DaT - if he did not, it was time to leave this community." <<< win
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2015 17:20:17; mike_c: but still, just put your goddamn pants on so we can go to the park.
BingoBoingo: * mircea_popescu remembers that time when kyle torpey was it posted an article begging for something or the other and then michael derp came in and beleeted it and made a lengthy "full responsibility"-flavoured nonsensepost. << Those were some lulz
BingoBoingo: Could be. Fuck it could be one derpy dude workin in Law enforcement and their 5% time project
mircea_popescu remembers that time when kyle torpey was it posted an article begging for something or the other and then michael derp came in and beleeted it and made a lengthy "full responsibility"-flavoured nonsensepost.
mircea_popescu: and yet their bizarro PR is very consistent with "one derpy dude"
BingoBoingo: It's just very bizzare the particular way that they suck, yet still seem to get the information
BingoBoingo: They've got some awfully fucking bizarre patterns
BingoBoingo: It's not a drunk theory. Came into it while walking tonight.
mircea_popescu: it certainly is a theory.
BingoBoingo: And I mean... They go quiet when they get legal papers, as in their GAW reporting where it seemed they actually had law enforcement reports
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they seem pretty derpy.
BingoBoingo: re: Ball Mice. While they were a thing I don't remember a time "castration" wasn't a prank that plagued public computer labs.
assbot: Logged on 09-10-2015 04:40:28; mircea_popescu: http://www.ttm.news/2015/10/06/cryptsy-seeking-legal-action-against-mike-johnson/ << hey BingoBoingo check out all the weird.\
mitch_callahan: i read the logs a few weeks later and it's what cazalla describes as the bitcoin hole I'm guessing
mitch_callahan: one day mircea_popescu, you crossed my mind. i visualized a bunch of shapes collapsing in on themselves. it was the universe eating itself.
mitch_callahan: this is relatable to the google talk earlier
mitch_callahan: it was those price movements that got them all paranoid, too and they stopped mentioning btc.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know it runs up 10k% (as it did) and you're left paying pennies to the dollar to your investors, IN SPITE of having done a great job.
mircea_popescu: it would have been a horrible idea (as i pointed out at the time). a purely fiat business like selling fizz fits very poorly on bitcoin.
mitch_callahan: it jump started me in the space, mostly meeting people, seeing who's who. started a meetup, etc etc.
mitch_callahan: he met a lot of people very quickly. iirc he had erik voorhees on the line, amongst others. bitpay was pushing it, too.
mircea_popescu: ironically the guy actually tried to get it on mpex, but this was back in the single digit times.\
mitch_callahan: its an old fruit flavoured beverage that was popular in the 80's and 90's
assbot: Cryptsy seeking legal action against Mike Johnson | To The Moon ... ( http://bit.ly/1NrW2Lk )
mircea_popescu: http://www.ttm.news/2015/10/06/cryptsy-seeking-legal-action-against-mike-johnson/ << hey BingoBoingo check out all the weird.\
mitch_callahan: i think those guys finally reached their goal a year later. i should have some clearly canadian to give away in the near future. i cant remember what it cost me in btc, though.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they had a very heavy steel ball with a thin silicone covering.
mircea_popescu: then again, old ball mice... i had a straight lines and right angles genius. because molding plastic was hard in the 80s
asciilifeform: even got a sun photodiode mouse (but misplaced the reflector!)
phf: kids these days with their fancy mice. back in my day we had to clean mouse balls before each quake 1 match with wet wipes
mircea_popescu: also, god fucking help the heretics with their white shit on the black forest cake. it's devil's food in ganache, not fucking light cream ffs.
asciilifeform: phf: lulzy gadget: draws so much current that the battery has to be changed daily. it pulls out, like pistol clip, and changes places with identical, included stick, that charges in the radio receiver
asciilifeform: phf: the weights ought to be trotyl
asciilifeform: various nice touches. e.g. the wheel well goes all the way through, does not collect shit like normal mouse
asciilifeform: (this is not clear from the photo, but the 'wings' are on long screws and... can move)
asciilifeform: it is very neat. but, what to do with the extra buttonz !
asciilifeform got a spiffy gift from a phriend, a mouse where various pieces of the chassis can move around to fit the hand, various iron knobs. endlessly tunable thing. had no idea this existed.
mircea_popescu: i poured a little on the floor for your soul.
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asciilifeform: fully 90% of what was in the camera, even.
mod6: arg! i gotta finish the documentation on this thing so i can play new eulora!
mod6: eh, maybe not the same place
mod6: ah cool, you got a chance to walk through there!
mircea_popescu: but just as far as the general principle goes. how are you going to do "padding" w/o hashing ?
mircea_popescu: https://www.reddit.com/r/butt/comments/2xoik6/heres_30_butts_in_case_youve_forgotten_what_they/
asciilifeform: (and especially not close in the phase space of cryptographic malleability, for the kind of crypto in use)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'padding' is a misnomer for a variety of possible processes, all of which have the objective of making sure that a message is never close in phase-space to another plausible message
mod6: haha. i recall there was a guy before phf's time that was like, "i can't hang in here! too much sedition!" or something
mircea_popescu: what, different dood on the internet ?
mircea_popescu: they're fucking inverse functions. one does many-to-one, the other needs an arbitrary bytecount.
asciilifeform: the 'padding' thing is an entirely separate animal
phf: mp gets them every time
phf: inertia, there was a point when amtrak was also inexpensive in addition to being cheap
mircea_popescu: whenever i hear of someone saying they're in transit i always picture a person inside an intestine.
asciilifeform: today - gigabux, tomorrow - penny (pointedly ~not~ because of any advance in cpu, but on account of mathematical efforts)
asciilifeform: normally everybody proposes it and then writes it off as 'we haven't the cpu or the entropy'
mircea_popescu: but i am reserved as to the hashlessness
asciilifeform: and to that we have analogy: the pure-rsa variant
asciilifeform: the fundamental issue that bothers me is that a broken hash is where 'protocol' begins to decay into 'promise'
phf: mircea_popescu: back then it was kek, these days i could probably get a hackernews frontpage "fundamental vulnerability found in gnupg, no one is safe!" either way completely irrelevant. just reminded me, it was 2005 or so
mircea_popescu: exponential costs. modest benefits. very much in line with all the other bad choices that sunk the ship of state.
asciilifeform: sitting between them
asciilifeform: phf: this only leads to laughs unless you can somehow be there for the rest of the two would-be pen pals' lives
phf: oh hey i wrote a poc for pgp filter at toorcon, when that other wifi mitm came out. no need to figure out what's where, just sit on the http stream, catch text/*, grep it for gpg headers, and then rewrite on the fly
mircea_popescu: there still is time.
mircea_popescu: the people who went to oregon first, got homesteads. the people who go now - get to pay rent.
asciilifeform: the other thing is, to the extent that the integrity of the wot as we now have it is predicated on sha1 not costing a penny to break, some of the sweat that went in to forming the wot may end up having to be re-sweated
mircea_popescu: there is no pill for fixing late adopter lameness.
asciilifeform: no mega-shocking result - pgp is not a magical fountain of phree-energy-style 'trust from the aether', but rather an amplifier of trust established - to some extent - in the meat.
mircea_popescu: i said and i repeated there';s major value to jointing the wot early. to the point that it was throughout the greatest gift one could give his rest of his life.
mircea_popescu: (turns out mp deliberately isn't keeoping the pobkey and the signerd material in the same place. har har who knew! )
asciilifeform: this of course demonstrates the point mircea_popescu made earlier, whereby no one who he was not properly introduced to, could ever hope to escape this.
mircea_popescu: but herein the problem gets fractured. how many things does it need to filter ?
asciilifeform: deedbot, then
asciilifeform: and the matching hitler key, for the key normally appearing in http://trilema.com/contact-pgp
asciilifeform: other thing is, the problem goes a little deeper. one might craft, for instance, a filter which eats mircea_popescu's www and substitutes hitlerine signatures for all of the signatures contained therein.
asciilifeform: my original observation, though, stands - the time to stop thinking of pgp 64bit fp as 'the man' is not when arbitrarily colliding sha1 costs a penny! it is now.
asciilifeform: because they can be derived from signed material
asciilifeform: the one thing remaining to add is that, theoretically, it is not necessary to distribute pubkeys at all!
mircea_popescu: this is rank nonsense, and the cornerstone of stupidworld.
asciilifeform: the basic result here is that pgptronium is conserved, if you will.
mircea_popescu: the deep fundamental reason usg exists needs to go away. not merely the usg, or preet bharara's head.
mircea_popescu: there is nothing else. in very particular, there is NOT this bullshit star pattern of "everyone reads vice".
mircea_popescu: this is the only thing that owkrs, or ever has worked.
mircea_popescu: the ONLY way to meet new people is via recommendation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what happened to the third ?
asciilifeform: (if you can meet in the flesh, you could exchange one time pads just as well)
asciilifeform: that is, the idea was that it is not necessary to meet in the flesh to form a working relation
asciilifeform: the part that bugs me is that the fundamental premise of public key crypto is a kind of downer
mircea_popescu: they may only survive as dead people./
asciilifeform: but if knuth wants to write in - then tough cookies.
asciilifeform: instead it'd be a funkspiel between hitler and mr schmuck, the latter having believed that he is speaking to mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: except the ideal scenario for firing this weapon is precisely a case where the resulting message never reaches mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: it IS however conceivable that a pubkey might be created which carries the fingerprint 6160E1CAC8A3C52966FD76998A736F0E2FB7B452 but if used to encrypt to mp will respond with "this doesn't decrypt wtf did you do". which event will be very interesting to see .
BingoBoingo: https://github.com/ampproject/amphtml/blob/master/spec/amp-html-format.md << In other news Google struggles to get up to qntra's mobile friendly design
asciilifeform: the point i wanted to make is that the original attitude of 'keys are people' was predicated on ideally 'stiff' keys
asciilifeform: there are also people who are not really mute by any reasonable definition but this one. e.g., knuth
mircea_popescu: do you know what the term meant, originally ?
mircea_popescu: yes, fucktard, let it be hearn's job. next you'll be fed by cockroaches. it's their job to move food around.
mircea_popescu: folk who think they're too damned important to irc, blog etc.
asciilifeform: pattern: folks who 1) are somehow interesting (german number theorists, etc) 2) have a very threadbare, if at all present, volume of published signed material 3) communicate their key to other people largely in the form of a fingerprint
mircea_popescu: assbot and btcalpha get them from servers (older implementations) ; deedbot- gets them correctly (you gotta supply the dpaste with it)
asciilifeform: as to where the bullet might be aimed, the phuctor dataset suggests a certain pattern
asciilifeform: https://web.archive.org/web/20100430025638/http://imc.org/ietf-openpgp/mail-archive/msg30980.html << mainly interesting for having been deleted from the ml
mircea_popescu: so far we're at the "one mirrored moduls"
mircea_popescu: it's expensive, and foer that matter - we've yet to see this wonder in the wild.
mircea_popescu: these also tend to be folks for whom this bullet won't likely be fired.\
asciilifeform: there are folks in wot who have neglected this.
mircea_popescu: the "chore" of having and maintaining blogs is NOT negotiable. you must, you MUST be your own facebook washington post vice gawker etc.
asciilifeform: the chore that everybody here has been putting off into indefinite future - that of ~actually distributing one's entire modulus~ - is a necessary thing.
asciilifeform: point being, gpg --keyserver wherever.the.fuck --recv-key 0xfingerprint can now return magical key.
mircea_popescu: the only scenario that does anything in, is when one acquires a key from dubious source.
mircea_popescu: they're unsplendid.
asciilifeform: so, generate something like a reasonable modulus, and then proceed.
asciilifeform: notice that 'the entire Public-Key packet' leaves plenty of tweakable bits on top of the modulus
mircea_popescu: otherwise yes, gpg is, and remains, slated for replacement.
mircea_popescu: if you're intimating someone's going to create a sha-1 collision and thereby obtain a key that hashes to the collision, you're exaggerating justalittle.
asciilifeform: 'A V4 fingerprint is the 160-bit SHA-1 hash of the octet 0x99, followed by the two-octet packet length, followed by the entire Public-Key packet starting with the version field. The Key ID is the low-order 64 bits of the fingerprint.'
assbot: Logged on 08-10-2015 18:22:39; ascii_field: and in other nyooz, https://sites.google.com/site/itstheshappening
mod6: looks like i sustained a port 22 attack over the last 3 days.
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BingoBoingo: Eh, I'll keep digging in the news mines and look for stuff while I think about it.
mircea_popescu: pretty cool, but... how exactly did they "get" it. public is public.
BingoBoingo: "Heres the first: Assistant U.S. Attorney Martin S. Bell. Hes based in New York and used Ashley Madison at work. He works for the controversial U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara."
BingoBoingo: They also got this though http://gotnews.com/breaking-gotnews-com-ids-first-department-of-justice-employee-on-ashleymadison/
BingoBoingo: Next is prolly can't push the IOC out
BingoBoingo: Apparently since I left there's a Libtard "Let's get rid of all the nice things" movement that sprung up
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Or the "this sidewalk is too high traffic for yall to park your scooty puffs"
mircea_popescu: except these droolbodies.
mircea_popescu: every teen everywhere knows the right response to outrage is escalation.
mircea_popescu: where's the "Thomas Jeffersson thinks niggers suck" campaign.
BingoBoingo: The might remove it because a group overheard some drunk's phone conversation.
BingoBoingo: They might.
BingoBoingo: Because SJWhales aren't supposed to have this kind of power in Missouri. I thought being in Missouri gave them other things to be outraged about.
mircea_popescu: o wait, the hamplanet mobility solution providers are actually gonna do it ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: There's a Thomas Jefferson statue on campus along with his original grave marker. As part of outrage over a group of people overhear someone say nigger in a phone conversation, Social Justice Whale Hamiltonians want the statue and the grave marker removed.
mircea_popescu: who needs math just as long as they know the obese aren't people, transgender is just the sign of an overactive imagination, all women are lezzies and so forth.
BingoBoingo: I jsut can't believe they are vandalizing the Thomas Jefferson statue and the original Jefferson Grave marker
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/education/mu-to-require-incoming-students-to-take-diversity-training/ << better than requiring them to take basic fucking math.
mircea_popescu: <jurov> just from my bad memory - it started as joint venture of an underage admin and other person who was supposed to actually pay bills <<< we don't even know wtf it all was, but hard drugs appear retrosepctively to have been involved.
mod6: i didn't see any messages like that. nothing weird in the logs. just stopped at one point.
mod6: Def didn't run out of disk space or anything. And I don't see anything insane in the logs.
ben_vulpes: http://motherboard.vice.com/read/i-broke-bitcoin << ahehuehahahaehuaheha
BingoBoingo: "We are told to believe that transsexuals were born that way, intermediate in gender. Yet a striking fraction of the most publicized cases in recent years have been men who were quite masculine in their 20s. (Its been noted that Jenner and several other famous transsexuals are Republicans or Libertarians.)" << http://takimag.com/article/the_republican_drug_steve_sailer
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jcpham: funny story about bitvps, the first day i joined irc rg ipwhois'd my netblock and starting looking up my ASN and doing research on me
trinque: these are all trivial problems
jcpham already gets enough weird emails without the threat of an ip disclosure by accident
jcpham: i'm counting down the moments before i /part because freenode might split
jcpham: i'm awol until i setup another bnc which is never
fluffypony: trinque: no backups is the norm, just ask usagi
jcpham: ^ this is such a pain in the ass
trinque: I'd say "lost one box due to hardware failure" is on the customer, "lost the whole damn service" is definitely on the provider
punkman: trinque: well sometimes the host offers a backup service for a fee, at least as far as cheap vps boxes go
jurov: re: to that - insert as second row that the bills really got unpaid, twice during the half year while coinbr was there
jurov: then that went sour, too (i stopped following long before that)
jurov: then it got listed on buttfunder and btctct
jurov: then it got sold to new owners