ben_vulpes: os x, smartphones, intel chips
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: trying to enumerate badness?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i might get to it tomorrow night
ben_vulpes: nubbins` abandoning the macbox?
ben_vulpes: goal is to make more plebs dependent on the state, not a greater army.
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: "economic draft", not news.
ben_vulpes: clever, industrious, (???) - pick two
ben_vulpes: surely there's a tripartate tradeoff to be made here
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: where can one turn for a better reading on slave treatment in the period?
ben_vulpes: afternoon, funkenstein_
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: hi Naphex
ben_vulpes: comic noir?
ben_vulpes: "is this one electrified?"
ben_vulpes goes off to piss on fences
ben_vulpes: if they're good i'll get there on my own
ben_vulpes: stay away from me with your old-man-pinions
ben_vulpes: i'm experimenting.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: it bears mentioning that i use the same rendering stack for irc as i do for programming
ben_vulpes: muh wordshapes
ben_vulpes: not for rapid reading.
ben_vulpes: for coding, sure
ben_vulpes: variable width text in irc!
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: it constrains conversational attack surface
ben_vulpes: dig in and enjoy while it lasts, piggies.
ben_vulpes: those remaining fat reserves? eat 'em.
ben_vulpes: DO IT
ben_vulpes: jets that fly like shitty helicopters and cost a bezzilion?
ben_vulpes: why not?
ben_vulpes: robot horses?
ben_vulpes: go for it!
ben_vulpes: universal jobs program?
ben_vulpes: universal healthcare? fuck yes!
ben_vulpes: more along the lines of draining the battery, asciilifeform.
ben_vulpes: the more distracted by sexual inequality, gender inequality, income inequality, and the more attention they're paying to the management of the epic bureaucracy so built, the less time and energy will be devoted to the impending conflicts.
ben_vulpes: i am officially in favor of every welfare and spending plan in america
ben_vulpes: i had a massive change of heart at lunch today
ben_vulpes: "at least the cause has been moved forwards!"
ben_vulpes: tl;dr: kleiner perkins wins, modern french revolutionaries proclaim great victory
ben_vulpes: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/28/technology/ellen-pao-kleiner-perkins-case-decision.html?_r=0
ben_vulpes: actual problems to cut their teeth on.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was honestly wondering about its orientation and axes of articulation.
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: coulda sworm you said "enormous"...
ben_vulpes: really?
ben_vulpes: chop?
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform set up enormous power saw << pics?
ben_vulpes: for a btc host, not a bad idea. low cost.
ben_vulpes: the honor of a few at the top. maybe. if they get out and come here.
ben_vulpes: but this weird hairdo has the clap
ben_vulpes: (sometimes)
ben_vulpes: weird hairdos come with good bjs
ben_vulpes: everyone i work with knows.
ben_vulpes: i noticed.
ben_vulpes: odd image
ben_vulpes: but that's how bizpartner compiles his flugenputer
ben_vulpes: ymmv
ben_vulpes: trinque: a hack that i've seen to work is building for arch in a docker container
ben_vulpes: well, very few.
ben_vulpes: and no leaders are interested in growing *more* leaders.
ben_vulpes: tautological almost :P
ben_vulpes: anyways, point is that it's difficult to learn to lead from followers.
ben_vulpes: musing!
ben_vulpes: yes i know
ben_vulpes: first, you had to learn to lead by following at the leads practicas, then they'd teach you to lead, then eventually you'd get to go to the milongas.
ben_vulpes: nominally, at one point in history, you weren't allowed to lead at a milonga until you'd been more or less given permission from the other leads in town.
ben_vulpes: i was actually musing on the absence of any leads-only tango practicas in town
ben_vulpes: YOUR LINE DIES WITH YOU
ben_vulpes: somehow i doubt you're going to have more children than me
ben_vulpes: "good luck have fun"
ben_vulpes: lol no are you trying to intuit from context again?!
ben_vulpes: i'd like to see you do this to some poor cabbie
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: glhf
ben_vulpes: > two minutes of confusion
ben_vulpes: > "bishinghurst"
ben_vulpes: > get in cab
ben_vulpes: it's the only word where the l's are pronounced?
ben_vulpes: by the way what is up with billinghurst
ben_vulpes: now i want a directory!
ben_vulpes: oh man.
ben_vulpes: yeah, let's bring back the directories!
ben_vulpes: and we can blame alfie for that too
ben_vulpes: someday we'll be tops for any string starting with turd as well
ben_vulpes: who sez they don't use algos anymore, eh?
ben_vulpes: #ba is tops on my google for lizard hitler
ben_vulpes: !b 3
ben_vulpes: no pics, no mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: 2) if it's that low margin, why bother in the first place?
ben_vulpes: 1) what are you building
ben_vulpes: Chillum: 2 points:
ben_vulpes: pre-fermented at that
ben_vulpes: what are you building.
ben_vulpes: Chillum:
ben_vulpes: because he's building a robo-remitter?!
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: well something has to poke the wallet in an automated fashion
ben_vulpes: <Chillum> you guys should make a white paper << myeah. someday, i'm sure.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: and if the web host talking to the API gets compromised?
ben_vulpes: chill
ben_vulpes: perhaps throw an error on boot if someone tries to use the tls flags.
ben_vulpes: me neither.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: some day i'd like this thing to not even have a json/rpc api.
ben_vulpes: if you haven't, stop in here and expose your ignorance for all.
ben_vulpes: if you *want* to run it, and *can* read the provided documentation, do so.
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3.1 is not for use in 'anger'.
ben_vulpes: also
ben_vulpes: the thing calling into your wallet is also an attack point
ben_vulpes: dude
ben_vulpes: Chillum: what precisely are you building?
ben_vulpes: Chillum: programmatic BTC remittance?
ben_vulpes: maybe instead of "herp derp i pinions bros" you might start by asking "why did you rip TLS out with such anger and speed?"
ben_vulpes: there is more context in this channel than dreamt of in all of reddit, Chillum
ben_vulpes: <Chillum> [14:55] In my opinion SSL is not a turd to be ripped out << dude this is a something like 4 month long project going on here
ben_vulpes: has use cases?
ben_vulpes: 0.5.3.1?
ben_vulpes: matt derpin
ben_vulpes: !raet bahahara 10 warrior of justice
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: YOU WON'T GET ME TO SAY ANYTHING NEGATIVE ABOUT THEM
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: I LOVE MY BENEVOLENT OVERLORDS
ben_vulpes: in the states, if they think they have a case they freeze your assets.
ben_vulpes: Chillum: not enough rounded corners for your taste?
ben_vulpes: Chillum: why are you bothering with 0.10.0?
ben_vulpes: anyways, i must off.
ben_vulpes: (if i read the cee pee pee correctly)
ben_vulpes: naive backport entails picking a random bastard and nuking its whole chain
ben_vulpes: they build up in memory, leading to OOM kills.
ben_vulpes: blocks with no chain ancestry.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: pogo's in the mail.
ben_vulpes: bastards though, is at the *top* of the todo list.
ben_vulpes: pogo's not my baby by any stretch of the imagination, but doing anything but getting them running seems like unnecessary yak shaving.
ben_vulpes: rip out json/rpc and replace it with a thing i can call that vomits forth formatted blocks first
ben_vulpes: anyways, re wallet, meh in general and too soon in specific methinks.
ben_vulpes: bitcoin in the swear jar, funkenstein_
ben_vulpes: is that the headers-only thing?
ben_vulpes: "simple payment verification"
ben_vulpes: funkenstein_: what.
ben_vulpes: "overengineering is like cocaine"
ben_vulpes: fuck it, ship it.
ben_vulpes: ah
ben_vulpes: the latter i don't care too much about.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and this to reduce size of bitcoind binary?
ben_vulpes: someday.
ben_vulpes: yeah, "could".
ben_vulpes: mike_c: what i mean to say is that the reference implementation only bears the wallet by virtue of there being no other thing that serves as a wallet.
ben_vulpes: cant' use a pogo to send btc
ben_vulpes: on the other hand - what else is one going to do?
ben_vulpes: on one hand yeah - what is a wallet doing in there?
ben_vulpes: 'cause needs discussion.
ben_vulpes: yeah, it's down at 12
ben_vulpes: but as asciilifeform's said before, the RI has to parachute into mars, bitcoinating
ben_vulpes: "pogo variant"
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> short-term (i.e. pogo) solution is to run bitcoind with the config switch. in the near future the foundation will remove the wallet << oh we will?
ben_vulpes: i kid, i kid.
ben_vulpes: oh, we're not maintaining 2 branches already?
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> the trouble with a reference implemention is https://xkcd.com/927/ << no, this is a consensus project.
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al: who wants to consider tossing the wallet code from pogo variant of 0.5.3 ? it's dead weight << don't see why not
ben_vulpes: <funkenstein_> anybody sync a 0.5.3.1 node yet? << a few, yeah
ben_vulpes: nono, they come pre-compromised.
ben_vulpes: the notion that an email coming from a gmail server that doesn't bear my signature is actually from me is downright hilarious.
ben_vulpes: this, ftr, is why i use gmail.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2015#1073477 << btw, not a problem if you use gmail as an smtp server instead of as a mail client
ben_vulpes: KISS, as they say.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> no one should ever be connecting to these things except on his own lan during setup << myes, realized this in the shower this am. also question of usernames, keys...
ben_vulpes: hm. i'll read your documentation before embarrasing myself further...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: why no ssh in battlepogo?
ben_vulpes: y'r a dear
ben_vulpes: <3
ben_vulpes: persnickety sob
ben_vulpes: seeds included in tarball?
ben_vulpes thinks more
ben_vulpes is a total country bumpkin re: anything combudder
ben_vulpes: and shouldn't this discussion be looking at ipv6 as well?
ben_vulpes: and it'll remain that way until the block download thing is fixed to a) track node quality and b) spot-check blocks provided by high quality peers
ben_vulpes: there are just nodes on the network
ben_vulpes: there is no friend/foe
ben_vulpes: lol y not
ben_vulpes: i thought boxes were user-flashed!
ben_vulpes: perhaps must be supplied with keys on initial flash
ben_vulpes: alternatively, with arbitrary keys.
ben_vulpes: if we're to entertain updating, operators *must* be able to update without foundation keys.
ben_vulpes: signing updates to seed list.
ben_vulpes: so if i might be forgiven for conflating things, should not any subset of the wot graph be able to use their own keys?
ben_vulpes: aha
ben_vulpes: 2) using enemy's keys
ben_vulpes: 1) hardcoding of seeds by enemy
ben_vulpes: i may be wrong and stupid, but i'm willing to be corrected and learn
ben_vulpes: it seems you object to 2 things
ben_vulpes: you'll note, not arguing.
ben_vulpes: i'm reading, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: swinging sticks at each other in the muddy courtyard
ben_vulpes: heh yeah
ben_vulpes: maces and bludgeons
ben_vulpes: you'll see that if you run ./auto.sh more than once, non?
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << myup, fat-fingered the expiration
ben_vulpes: me, i have beds to burrow into
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform, mod6: keep it up
ben_vulpes: no, nodes don't get updated.
ben_vulpes: okay i'm logged
ben_vulpes: "two decades of malicious microsoft sales. you have to expect the attacks, and the schools are simply the widest-open targets."
ben_vulpes: just had a "don't blame the hackers" conversation.
ben_vulpes: and you can take fifty of them with you in a backpack...anywhere.
ben_vulpes: it's just disposable.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-03-2015#1069289 << no man, the solid *is* the drone.
ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> we're assholes, yet here we are trying << "a for effort"
ben_vulpes: hooray you fiend you
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> seems that's 64 bit only now o.O << ahaha in between this line and my logreading mod6 posted a patch
ben_vulpes: http://danielpbarron.com/pogo/howto.txt << wowee, danielpbarron
ben_vulpes weeps for log
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell brendafdez yo you know anyone renting bikes at not retarded tourist prices?
ben_vulpes: heh i like that.
ben_vulpes: http://dpaste.com/3F70MCT.txt << current contents of foundation hopes and dreams and todos list, attn asciilifeform, mircea_popescu, mod6, nubbins`, decimation, trinque et al
ben_vulpes: what does that even *mean* asciilifeform?
ben_vulpes: kark its breeks lol
ben_vulpes: anyone who runs without -connect is asking for it in the arse.
ben_vulpes checks turdolator
ben_vulpes: maybe?
ben_vulpes: no.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: right hang on let me diddle this text for a second
ben_vulpes: then send *from*
ben_vulpes: well, send *to*
ben_vulpes: send
ben_vulpes: sync with mainnet
ben_vulpes: build
ben_vulpes: nubbins` pre-release regression testing is pretty dumb-dumb right now
ben_vulpes: bastard block fix.
ben_vulpes: and no, it's not pogo
ben_vulpes: i'm calling on you lol
ben_vulpes: nubbins`?
ben_vulpes: you
ben_vulpes: hey
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: guess what #2 is
ben_vulpes: 1. Cut a build
ben_vulpes: Goals:
ben_vulpes: i get to strike #1 off the foundation todo list!
ben_vulpes: ah hey check it out!
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ben_vulpes mod6 what do you two figure is a realistic timeline for "bitcoind version that doesn't allocate memory without checks and so doesn't crash in THAT particular way" ? << this actually raises the all-important question of priority list
ben_vulpes: hyuuu
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> you can't postpone everything until everything else just like you can't have everything louder than everything else. << i think i found where this started
ben_vulpes: gotcha.
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you *built* a chute?
ben_vulpes: i don't understand what's so special about 'tandem operable'
ben_vulpes: i do this regularly, but in what scenario today?
ben_vulpes: tandem-operable?
ben_vulpes: don't ask me what everyone doesn't know
ben_vulpes: k well write a bitcoind then shiva
ben_vulpes: leastaways no time soon.
ben_vulpes: it's a subtle rapier, not a thing for use in anger.