dorion_road: With tmsr os, how much work to support the implicit clients isn't clear yet. I'm also not 100% clear on spyked, bvt and lobbes situation apart from gathering they've been consistently productive while working salary mines.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:37:25 trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:14:42 trinque: I've been in that business. It's hard, wish them well.
dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954854 << if you're up for it, I'd also like to read about your experience there.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:14:22 mp_en_viaje: it's not much as it stands, but i do believe they've targetted exceptionally well, and might perhaps be able to execute also. maybe even surive to iterate. in any case i intend to help them, within reason.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:13:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954813 << they're doing a consulting gig, it's somewhat detailed on his blog, he even has a business plan / some description of actual sales activity in there.
dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954851 << trinque, the business plan for my venture with jfw.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:44:44 mp_en_viaje: nor can i eschew signalling this point to dorion for the merry gang, specifically because he has little fucking idea about the underlying truths in the thick "engineering" sauce.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:29:38 trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 03:42:21 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954808 << yes, we did. and we are in the same place on that one, at this time too.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-12-02 17:16:42 mircea_popescu: but otherwise -- everything's sough. you got tits ? make money. you can code ? make money. you can draw ? make money. you "got relations" / can pr/whatever the fuck you got ? MAKE MONEY!
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:27:34 trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
dorion_road: trinque mind clarifying which you mean though ? the article about trying out Gales and offering critque or on why eating a product of socialists is stupid ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:39:24 trinque: you will see this article sooner than the 15th, too.
dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954817 << I'm looking forward to the article.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, maybe the peroration i have in mind happened orally in the harem or who knows.
mp_en_viaje: well, these are all great and each more or less good enough, so...
BingoBoingo: Here in psych context http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-are-certain-behaviors-and-jobs-more-masculine-and-out-of-our-control-adnotated/#footnote_7_86241
BingoBoingo: There's a discussion here in the planetary context http://trilema.com/2016/how-to-fix-global-warming/#footnote_0_70733
BingoBoingo: Not explicitly but Aunt Dumb does get beat by the sex good, condoms cheat Aunt dumb outta babies from sex, more sex happens loop
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, um, it's not even mentioned there ?!
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/the-contemplated-update-to-the-trilema-voice-model/ << Trilema -- The contemplated update to the #trilema voice model
mp_en_viaje: i dunno, sometimes i think 2018 was spent doing a LOT of drugs, i can remember it like hippies can remember the 60s
diana_coman: it didn't seem like it because it's a statement, not an explanation really; onth it doesn't link it either and supposedly it should, if it can be found and so on.
mp_en_viaje: well... actually it might not be it, it might be only reference to the it, but i am intellectualy exhausted by now
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: there's the statement as such that positive loops are just another name for death
BingoBoingo: Explicitly mentioned here as a classical failure mode
mp_en_viaje: there's a trilema somewhere explaioning how positive feedback loops are the only dangerous thing in nature, but...
mp_en_viaje: much like any other drug addiction, by supressing the wrong pain signals (which is what it set out to do, guido van dorkum's idea was exactly this, if coding weren't painful more people would -- yes, but BADLY) it produces positive feedback harmful loops.
mp_en_viaje: and it's not ~the language~, either. there's nothing magically great about "how it handles conditioanls", "if($2 != day) is not god's own notation or anything LIKE that. it's that python breeds and fits upon and further breeds and further fits upon the sort of thought process that'll produce the sort of thing that fails.
dorion_road: python primarily comes up due to portage. Gales uses a shell script based package manager, so the point about bash will get further practical consideration as that gets explored.
mp_en_viaje: i dunno i support any particular action on the foregoing basis. but i also ain't gonna pass it in silence no mo.
mp_en_viaje: well at the very least known about.
mp_en_viaje: this'd be to my mind the string holding pantsuit online together : python, wikipedia & wediditreddit.
mp_en_viaje: i am not proposing bash is good ; but i made a point of it in that context because i believe it is in this respect opposite. it has all the ills naggum finds it, yes, but it does not have that one thing that produces pete dushenskis out of otherwise promising young men.
mp_en_viaje: i don't think it's him ; i think it's the damned python.
mp_en_viaje: but i do mean ~very~ bad. fractally bad, it even gives them the impression they have been. without prejudice to lobbes, look at his experience, not necessarily just since sept.
mp_en_viaje: no, python is a tool built so as to permit the unready to write very bad code.
dorion_road: python is then not available to meaningful examination because it has been exam taking and pretending to be ready (e.g. usg.mit now uses it instead of scheme), rather than actually making itself ready for human use.
mp_en_viaje: the problem with this argument of course is that it can be applied quite well to A LOT of the things we use ; most notably c++. but it's at the core, i suspect, if unexpressed, of why nobody ever pushed for say c#.
mp_en_viaje: hence the link relating it to wikipedia recently that now of course i can't find. basically what it does seems to me in any and all particulars based upon the forwarding of the "group action" agenda of the only evil in this world ; much like the republic's in all workings promoting itself python's in all its workings first supporting the enemy.
mp_en_viaje: my objection is that foremost and before being any other thing, python is a tool for the wilfully stupid.
mp_en_viaje: this having progressed unchecked for lo these many years, the principal problem of the republic is dealing with organized stupidity. this is a lot like any other cleaning job, because yes there's no difference between the filth that supports vermin infestations and the "collective action" that supports the marauding idiots.
mp_en_viaje: they'd like to be ready, see. they just... aren't. and because people are perverse, this tends to manifest rather as exam taking than actual improvement. they don't become any ready-er, they just become adept at pretending they are.
mp_en_viaje: now there are three groups : the ready, the willing unready, and the dumb unready. in more traditional terms the middle class is denoted as organized stupidity.
mp_en_viaje: practically this enacts another partition, nietzsche's will.
mp_en_viaje: now, people as a particular class of living things are perverse (this is called "intelligence" in pantsuit gospels), meaning they also have a recursion built in there.
mp_en_viaje: i'd say the most interesting partition available upon "living things" is whether they are ready. there's the living things that are, and the living things that aren't. hence that whole discussion of http://trilema.com/2017/the-day-of-failure-trilemma/
mp_en_viaje: the job of gnoseology, the collected product of thought, is to enact partitions, and record them. some of these are more interesting than others, as illustrated through experience ; an examined life is exactly this "following phenomena while aware of the partitions list"
mp_en_viaje: ever heard / seen someone say "bring it" ? as in you know, the challenge, there's some kinda threat an' the response is... bring it
dorion_road: good question. the problem of maintaining a hierarchy of indivdual agents.
mp_en_viaje: dorion, i wouldn't. let's use the call-and-response format for this. so, what would you say is the problem the republic's formed to resolve ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:25:02 mp_en_viaje: anyways, i have serious reservations about anything-python. it's the first time for me, i never thought before a lang is basically the satan ; but it seems to me anything derived off python's going to be stupid, for that reason.
dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954799 << hmm. I know python is discussed at length in various log threads, for the sake of clarity, would you mind summarizing the most important marks against it ?
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:08:15 mp_en_viaje: if trinque fails to work within the framework (which yes, DOES mean jan 15th is a firm deadline, not because you made it so or could, but because i can, and do), and nobody gives a shit about cuntoo, everything that was thereby lost is upon trinque to pay.
dorion_road: heh. I got that, noting the general principle.
mp_en_viaje: wasn't talking about you there, lol, but yeah.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:41 dorion_road: Right now my approach is to draw from the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be taken from both, what do they both lack that tmsr os requires.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:07:06 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954750 << to be perfectly clear, i'm not at all inclined to lend support to this sort of misbehaviour. young man has no excuse to act like a cunt, "oh, hurr durr, LET OTHER PEOPLE". by and large, if he's not here to work his shit, nobody cares about his shit.
diana_coman: it is really because that's the start but then it gets discussed and the different values talked about and so on; so yes, I for one would very much prefer to have an article as ref.
mp_en_viaje: i suppose i should prolly write a proper article about this, seems it's unhelpfully all over the logs ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 04:06:31 mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : hey trinque, now that there's actually multiple functional castles the time's prolly come to update the deedbot voice model into awareness of this situation. so how about a patch making voice in #trilema dependent on ~my~ wot, rather than deedbot's own ; and similarily in any castles that ask for it / you come to an understanding with the lords thereof, so they can use the voice model there if the
diana_coman: now I see it; I read depedent on ~my~ wot and I didn't get it was just moving the centre but keeping the l2 as well, hm.
mp_en_viaje: iirc that was discussed re flexibility for ~other~ chans, which is how the 9 came about, "just don't rate people 9 if you don't want a l1/l2 in your chan"
diana_coman: if that's the case, then there is no problem indeed since yes, they would still be able to self-voice for sure; in my mind it was that only your l1 can self-voice, hm.
diana_coman goes to re-read the new self-voice model, maybe missed something.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, i thought the model was that those rated by my as 9 are on the list of ratings deedbot looks at to establish l2
mp_en_viaje: for the other thing, the original reason the thing was set to auto-devoice in 30 minutes was to avoid the burden of hostility upon the devoicer, and the situation of voice inflation, where randos have it just as good as actual people, like thios were athens or something.
diana_coman: what do you want me to rate them as?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ugh, what??? the new model is that only those rated by you with 9 can self-voice, no?
mp_en_viaje: so for one thing, if you're not willing to rate them enough so they can voice, why should they idle here ?
diana_coman: rather than 30 minutes thing.
diana_coman: alternatively I suppose the !!up could be perhaps permanent ie until a !!down
diana_coman: they won't be able to self-voice and then what, someone has to voice them every hour or they end up kicked to one of the other chans?
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: the only potential trouble I see with your proposed model is when the new voice model is implemented since my pageboys will not be able to hang around here at all anymore.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: I don't mind it or anything; tbh only the other day I had a look at the list of names and picked RubenSomsen to pm & he got at least in #ossasepia, presumably still reading now through the mountain of links he ended up hit with.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: ahaha; and designer overalls, lmao; the exquisite sheep worming attiree.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, http://thesingingfarmwife.blogspot.com/2015/05/dingleberry-duty.html << here, have a "could be worse"
mp_en_viaje: so specifically trinque is this feasible iyo ? and everyone else also, is an hour too short a time ? other comments ?
mp_en_viaje: this'll prolly need management in the sense that i suspect the banlist is limited, so after a few of these it'd be stuck expiring the oldest ban to enact a new one, meaning it'll need a round buffer of them.
mp_en_viaje: so what i'm thinking is, what if deedbot set a ban on any nick it sees unvoiced for >1hr, setting the forward channel alternatively #ossasepia and #trilema-hanbot on it ?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in linear improvements : i'm thinking of setting up #trilema to forward the useless / idle / etcetera to the feeder chans. apparently freenode has support for this, in that in setting a ban one can also specify a channel wherein the banned to be dumped.
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-10-15 diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006282 - heh, how long until they register a key and find their way in here?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 00:44:23 mp_en_viaje: it seems self-evident their plan as it stands is missing the 4th and final ingredient of churchly success, "and this is the congregation", but that can be discovered in time
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954893 - heh, my first line on hearing of the training they give their clients was precisely how long until they find their way to here
mp_en_viaje: dat midwestern stock, apparently they can live through anything.
mp_en_viaje: how derange did BingoBoingo end up, after years in the crazed orclands btw ?
jfw: mp_en_viaje: thanks for those blog comments btw, looking forward to a proper read + catching up on the juicy looking log here in the coming days. I see dorion_road's and my venture was discussed just above; I'll give him the first word as I believe he's more up to date here.
deedbot: jfw rated asciilifeform 2 << Stanislav Datskovskiy, loper-os.org, seeks the Right Thing in all matters even if it would take ten lifetimes. Has honored promises in commerce in my experience.
deedbot: jfw rated diana_coman 5 << ossasepia.com, long-time Trilema scholar, develops Eulora, knowledgeable on computing, writing & other topics; committed to seeing things for what they are & solving the right problems. My mentor & Master at Young Hands Club.
deedbot: jfw rated mircea_popescu 5 << Father & overlord of the Most Serene Republic. Reads ~everything worth the mention and writes in abundance at trilema.com.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, as it happens there DOES exist exactly one jurisdiction where they can move to, after being betrayed by all the toy pretend-states.
mp_en_viaje: the actual important part is that "the industry" is looking for recovery after the whole "panama papers" etc circus.
trinque: most importantly they're rolling in cash.
trinque: they're using shockingly primitive accounting tooling, shockingly primitive processes for e.g. wire authorizations and all the rest
trinque: see, I'm the fucking misogynist over here!
mp_en_viaje: if want the bitches to express themselves or not express themselves, in the end ? it's gotta be one, can't be both.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 19:24:08 trinque: nicolewhatever: and by the way, repeating your master's opinion for him says very little. I heard him; he doesn't need you going "ayyyyyy", but good girl all the same.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954818 << this "he doesn't need you" thing is such nonsense. i also don't need any other of the things, what the hell, since when it's a needs-based economy.
mp_en_viaje: anyways, it seems all very neoprotestant ("compile your own bible out of letters found around the house!!) which my rather catholic description doesn't do justice to. but it's just summary, i don't mean to rule by misrepresentation.
mp_en_viaje: it seems self-evident their plan as it stands is missing the 4th and final ingredient of churchly success, "and this is the congregation", but that can be discovered in time
mp_en_viaje: anyway, that's what they seem to be doing, "here's the hardware, here's the mental floss slash bible, here's the daily prayers rules regulation and prayerbook", a complete package like that.
mp_en_viaje: my understanding is that they're basically fixing that : giving the guy the laptop's evidently not enough (i gave mine one when i left ro), it needs to be supported culturally / with habits, mental and otherwise
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:42:43 trinque: and a found item with TMSR chizeled in it is not thereby owned
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954816 << you know, my slaves meet the "found item, chiseled". not thereby owned ? or is it animism magic, "rule only applies to non-sluts" ? this'll be a hard argument, objectification of women and all that.
trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
mp_en_viaje: it means "i laughed with the ass also"
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, the only google reference is... a trilema piece. god help us, it's true mp will always return a "wait, what ?!" moment, but...
mp_en_viaje: as the romanian expression goes, am ris si cu curu'.
mp_en_viaje: i guess the converse statement's that im some kind of half-baked optimist. but anyways.
mp_en_viaje: the nile also flooded every year, in a regular process that seemed to most everyone, certainly everyone in the ancient world, fundamental. yet it wasn't fundamental ; i twasn't even self-perpetuating. as it turns out, the nile's stopped flooding altogether, it's been decades.
mp_en_viaje: not a point of my success ; the point is -- yes i'm aware texas oil money is rather... ok, your term, dipshits.
trinque: this is pretty squarely the point.
mp_en_viaje: in the end, nobody fucking cares what the hillbillies are used to. experience shows time and again the young female;s willing to move on, and with her the whole fucking world moves, from outhouse to indoor plumbing arrangements, and so on.
mp_en_viaje: contrary to the pantsuit fantasy, "this is everywhere" does not hold. there's a lot of power to be put behind the "you're fucking stupid, amerikanski" in very simple exemplar form.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but meanwhile i had an exceptional aged steak yest, and then retired for a glass of port, coffee, sweets and a cigarette. you understsnd this, if i ask for an ashtrey at this poshest place in town, THEY FUCKING BRING ME ONE.
trinque: if the gents have somehow managed to communicate to the "offshore money" crowd that computing infrastructure matters, that'll definitely be something.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:40:37 trinque: and this retort that real men manifest food with sheer will, great. there's nothing actionable in that comment.
mp_en_viaje: whether it ends up working or not, http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954814 is however not a fair description of what's going on.
mp_en_viaje: "soo... well done on the 50mn exit. now, why are you at walmart with a credit card, in the same outfit as the single mother over there with her govt-issued scrip ? you know the same social worker can cut your access that gives her the electronic meal ticket, yes ?"
mp_en_viaje: but yes, putting the above 20 log lines (in context-adequate form) under the eyes of a few hundred thousand pantsuits in fifty or a hundred pantsuit congomerations is not a half-bad plan.
mp_en_viaje: the exceptional part goes from being peripherally connected to the wealth management consulting behemoth, it's what he did in panama.
trinque: I've been in that business. It's hard, wish them well.
mp_en_viaje: it's not much as it stands, but i do believe they've targetted exceptionally well, and might perhaps be able to execute also. maybe even surive to iterate. in any case i intend to help them, within reason.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954813 << they're doing a consulting gig, it's somewhat detailed on his blog, he even has a business plan / some description of actual sales activity in there.
mp_en_viaje: yes, but nobody knows what the fuck you're either thinking or doing, because you don't express yourself neither consistently nor well. so we're stuck guessing. i'm trying to do as good a job of it as possible, but god fucking help me it's my least favourite activity.
trinque: the only context in which I brought it up was getting pissed at alf that I couldn't have a chip, and w/e.
trinque: we don't disagree on that point either; I don't give a shit how many funnybux I have.
mp_en_viaje: paintsuit world is as fine a hobby as any other hobby, and what the fuck's wrong with having hobbies now. but if you stop distinguishing between vocation and avocation, if the hobby takes over activity as a sort of parasite, it's not ME "declaring" you an otaku. i'm like the coroner in that sad context, nobody died because the coroner pronounced them dead. at the time the coroner showed up, the deed was long done.
mp_en_viaje: what, you think i'm hobby police over here ? go, win the fishing competition, be the greatest pitcher on diamond #8, municipal sportscourt #11 etcetera. just, again, if you stop showing up for work because THAT's what you're doing, you're off your rocker, for srsly.
mp_en_viaje: nobody cares, it's not like i'm particularly threatened by the notion god help me ; but if you quit your day job to spend a decade or whatever's left of your active live becoming the 285`666th most popular singer-songwriter in the 63rd most popular genre AND you also expect someone will drop what they're doing to clap for you... you're insane, in so many words.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954809 << look, it's very fucking simple : there are 62 cities in the world larger than houston ; of the 4.5mn living there about 300k own more than a million dubaloos' worth. if you go from nothing to 1mn dubaloos, you go from nothing to being in the top 300k pantsuits in pantsuit conglomeration #62.
trinque: recall the mod6 derpitude, "my trusty gentoo" and all that.
mp_en_viaje: ~that~ is what i'm signalling ; and that that's what i'm doing along with that i have to do it is self-fucking-obvious on the extant record, wut!
trinque: I think they can do all sorts of things with or without me.
mp_en_viaje: and that they're certainly ill advised to deputize presumably their more active set to go on some kind of dubmass expedition through the remains.
trinque: http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2019/introducing-gales-linux-a-cross-bootstrapped-do-it-yourself-fully-static-discriminatory-distribution/ << this might actually be the correct item.
mp_en_viaje: that if you're not here to represent gentoo, they have really very little business bothering with it.
mp_en_viaje: nor can i eschew signalling this point to dorion for the merry gang, specifically because he has little fucking idea about the underlying truths in the thick "engineering" sauce.
mp_en_viaje: that doesn't mean now i'll permit a whole "lost tech" fantasy fiction to erupt on fucking gentoo, as fucking if the symbolics idiocy wasn't ENOUGH of a waste of time / ready rug to sweep it under..
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:29:38 trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954808 << yes, we did. and we are in the same place on that one, at this time too.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 13:52:05 nicoleci: it's something to watch the stone trinque cast three months ago go meanwhile round the world and come back to hit him in the back of the head - kind of ironic...
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954773 << way of the world. i've rewatched the big lebowski however, for good measure.
trinque: nicolewhatever: and by the way, repeating your master's opinion for him says very little. I heard him; he doesn't need you going "ayyyyyy", but good girl all the same.
trinque: you will see this article sooner than the 15th, too.
trinque: and a found item with TMSR chizeled in it is not thereby owned
trinque: and this retort that real men manifest food with sheer will, great. there's nothing actionable in that comment.
trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
trinque: if after this, you still want to eat stallman's leavings I'm not going to protest or insult you on the matter.
trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
trinque: I'm not going to be put in the position of defending socialists, people with kids, or whatever else I'm declared to be.
trinque: mp_en_viaje: I put it to you that without money inflow... what republic? I'd thought we'd arrived in the same place on that one, at the time.
BingoBoingo: Milepost now that K's back in the pink house: http://archive.is/92vj5 DOLAR OFICIAL COMPRA $ 57,910 VENTA $ 62,910 VARIACIÓN -0,130% ACTUALIZADO: 10/12/2019 15:00 DOLAR BLUE COMPRA $ 65,250 VENTA $ 69,250 VARIACIÓN -1,070% ACTUALIZADO: 10/12/2019 15:00 CONTADO CON LIQUI REFERENCIA $ 75,130 VARIACIÓN -2,080% ACTUALIZADO: 10/12/2019 15:00 DOLAR PROMEDIO COMPRA $ 58,49 VENTA $ 63,45 VARIACIÓN -0,130% ACTUALIZADO: 10/12/2019 15:00 DO
lobbes: I can say from experience that working in python has not been the best for my mental health
diana_coman: there are 1001 pythons in fact and at some point it used to be a half-decent quick-prototype/plaything tool; I'd say it got then pushed forwards & "adopted" and all that, because "easy".
mp_en_viaje: i suppose the same could be said about 2000s era php, or 2010s era haskell
mp_en_viaje: anyways, i have serious reservations about anything-python. it's the first time for me, i never thought before a lang is basically the satan ; but it seems to me anything derived off python's going to be stupid, for that reason.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-12 21:14:00 mircea_popescu: i dun think you're a lazy man. currently i think you grew up in a house with a lot of door slamming as a rhetorical device, but that's really neither here nor there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 << for the transparently self-obvious reason that idiots preserve idiocy -- if they didn't, they wouldn't still be around. so yes all their infuriating cuntbrainfarts are always well glued with broken glass, it's never a case of "holy shit, i can't believe how intolerably stupid i've been", it's always a case of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-11-12#1950966
mp_en_viaje: the stain, IT REMAINS.
mp_en_viaje: because if they aren't, if indeed the republic can't exist without them and thereby won't exist -- guess who's going straight to hell for this sin of theirs, and who'll ever forget, be successfully misdirected, whatever.
mp_en_viaje: and in general -- the absentee, the insufficient, the "otherwise busy", the butthurt, physically or mentally -- better pray they're in fact quite as inconsequential as they seem.
mp_en_viaje: like i see the stain on the idiots who failed to symbolics, and like no amount of handwringing / wining on the "engineer" side can save them, so this. it's fucking visible -- monkeys failed for being monkeys, it is ON THEM. for having been monkey. when the calling came, they failed.
mp_en_viaje: no amount of "collective action" engineertard "let's stick together like the cuntherd" will save this. the stain is indelible, in fifty years or fifty centuries it will stay visible.
mp_en_viaje: if trinque fails to work within the framework (which yes, DOES mean jan 15th is a firm deadline, not because you made it so or could, but because i can, and do), and nobody gives a shit about cuntoo, everything that was thereby lost is upon trinque to pay.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:41 dorion_road: Right now my approach is to draw from the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be taken from both, what do they both lack that tmsr os requires.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954750 << to be perfectly clear, i'm not at all inclined to lend support to this sort of misbehaviour. young man has no excuse to act like a cunt, "oh, hurr durr, LET OTHER PEOPLE". by and large, if he's not here to work his shit, nobody cares about his shit.
mp_en_viaje: if this two bit idiocy worked, what the fuck were i even doing here ? hurr.
mp_en_viaje: republican infrastructure builds the republic, not assholery. for fucks sake.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-09-29 19:35:27 mircea_popescu: but as far as the foundation is concerned -- if all it does (ALL IT DOES!!!) is stand up to tell me "oh, we can't follow the keccak because reasons" ima put an end to it in short order.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2018-09-29#1855672 is still good law, and still exactly how this'll derpy "oh, i'm gonna turn around and try to use the republican infrastructure to fuck up the republic with" is gonna go.
mp_en_viaje: needless to say i'm not in the fucking slightest impressed ; and i think it's well established by now how that goes, or how much this sort of "i'm speshul" cuntery ends up being worth.
mp_en_viaje: it'd be ridiculous to the point of hysterical (if it weren't so fucking sad), this. everyone strives towards communicating effectually, makes planning articles to try and conquer their innate ineffectuality, EXCEPT the supposed "pillars of the community". those special cuntlets/tards, those... what, write themselves special cuntletry exceptions, what looks great on say thetarpit would hav
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 11:31:17 dorion_road: trinque, you've foreshadowed using a minimalist busybox system, which Gales is. Giving it a test run and writing and article about what the positives and negatives are compared to cuntoo would go a long way to help killing idiocy. If you made time to do it by jan 15, adding your insight while others are working on it would help us
mp_en_viaje: who knows, maybe critical experience is the needed mystery ingredient to finally permit him defeat whatever demons made him miss out on having a blog, for instance.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, anna netrebko was quite the accomplished fanciulla some years ago. ah, the nineties...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-10-19 01:27:38 trinque: let it be plain that I hate most of you. and you should hate me back. I don't want to hear another dipshit that can't find his way into a 50k/yr business call himself lord.
nicoleci: it's something to watch the stone trinque cast three months ago go meanwhile round the world and come back to hit him in the back of the head - kind of ironic...
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:14:38 BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:44 BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954760 << I hadn't made that connection, thanks for the link!
dorion_road: gentoo package management has gone through a lot change over the years. I've used gentoo regularly since 2016, but am looking forward to lobbes article on ebuilds because I still haven't grasped that complexity.
dorion_road: the second is the python script baggae with USE flag system that makes gentoo gentoo for better and worse. I think the package management is the biggest value in gentoo, but I don't yet know the cost/benefit of tameing it with V.
dorion_road: the complexity/cost of the first is the apparent thompsonization of gentoo bootstapping.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 12:10:35 BingoBoingo: These costs can take a number of forms, but the big one seems to be... Gentoo comes with a lot of script baggage that makes it Gentoo instead of something else. To make a TMSR operating system that does V instead of the Gentoo thing... starting from Gentoo means a lot of cuts are going to have to be made.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I'm trying to stay in my own land and out of the OS discussion, but the parallels between the CrystalSpace discussions and the Gentoo discussions are seting of some alarms.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: there is certainly something there in that CrystalSpace tries to be essentially a sort of OS all by itself.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: Mind however, that this is based off of what I'm reading in the logs rather than the source of the actual items.
BingoBoingo: Reading the ongoing conversations in the forums and castles, I get a building suspicion that further cutting on Gentoo is going to start looking like cutting on CrystalSpace
BingoBoingo: These costs can take a number of forms, but the big one seems to be... Gentoo comes with a lot of script baggage that makes it Gentoo instead of something else. To make a TMSR operating system that does V instead of the Gentoo thing... starting from Gentoo means a lot of cuts are going to have to be made.
BingoBoingo: dorion_road: It seems to me like the growing dissatisfaction with Gentoo as a thing to capture for terraforming is that Gentoo comes with a lot of Gentoo specific complexity. This complexity can be handy if you want to build a linux and that linux happens to fit in the space the Gentoo maintainers are running towards, but... that complexity appears to be an impediment to producing a standardized thing that just works without inflicting
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:25 mp_en_viaje: you're either going to make something new, or you're going to make something old. that's the choice.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:39 trinque: you're going to eat something that's bigger than your capacity to maintain and then what.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:26:29 trinque: anyone wants to pick up these items I've built, I'll be more than happy to give them to him in working order.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-09#1954729 << can you answer questions and carry conversation about design decisions over these next couple weeks ? there have been a couple, "let's see what trinque says" that've gone unanswered these past couple weeks.
dorion_road: Right now my approach is to draw from the experience with cuntoo and gales and understand : what strengths can be taken from both, what do they both lack that tmsr os requires.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-06 23:08:07 trinque: and you have fewer men than you'd like, and I'm not going to pretend to be 20, and then cry when I fail at it. that's why I said I'm looking at kernel + busybox for my own stack. even it isn't human-sized, but it's about two orders of magnitude less twine and shit than "standard linux distro"
dorion_road: leverage the process.
dorion_road: trinque, you've foreshadowed using a minimalist busybox system, which Gales is. Giving it a test run and writing and article about what the positives and negatives are compared to cuntoo would go a long way to help killing idiocy. If you made time to do it by jan 15, adding your insight while others are working on it would help us
ossabot: Logged on 2019-11-29 13:11:15 diana_coman: tbh by now I really want to give a spin to jfw's gales thing too and actually see what's there.
dorion_road: Gales Linux was released last month (which I've used for a couple years by now), bvt and skyped are giving it a spin this month and
dorion_road: I'm budgeting time this month to carry out spyked's method using qemu and lobbes is deepening his understanding of the ebuild system.
dorion_road: The stage I'm at now in terms of wutdo with cuntoo is : there have been 7 installation reports that I'm aware of -- if I've missed one, someone please correct.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 22:23:29 trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
BingoBoingo: 2018 was indeed a year heavy on the thrashing about and wall sticking projectiles
ossabot: Logged on 2018-12-12 14:20:34 asciilifeform: would switch, in a heartbeat, to fulltiming at hypothetical tmsr consultancy, if it could be made to get off ground
ossabot: Logged on 2018-11-15 11:58:12 mircea_popescu: i'll want the coin back next year. now go forth and own stupidity no more!
mp_en_viaje: in other end of year book keepings, holy shit i can't believe i'm gonna have to take a negrate in lieu of that coin.
mp_en_viaje: yo spyked, how's the vomit business thsee days ?
mp_en_viaje: the old thing is called kids.
trinque: anyone wants to pick up these items I've built, I'll be more than happy to give them to him in working order.
mp_en_viaje: you're either going to make something new, or you're going to make something old. that's the choice.
mp_en_viaje: this is the adult table. grow big, or go raise your kids, whatever it is you do, there's no "let's sit and look at each other".
trinque: I can't say I agree with your approach either.
trinque: you're going to eat something that's bigger than your capacity to maintain and then what.
trinque: dorion_road: I dropped the cuntoo thing because I think it's idiocy to "ubuntu but totally in our own way and with moar fascism!1" or w/e. I'm not then going to turn around and help you build one.
mp_en_viaje: hey, are you the hopedale guy ?
mp_en_viaje: https://larouchepub.com/spanish/other_articles/2019/1107-after-attack-on-culiacan.html << ahaha.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: lol, I knew adlai got sidelined, but it's been a while since I read into the how/why
mp_en_viaje: ie, "mainstream media" ineptitude wasn't invented this generation of tards. or the previous one. lazy moomoos ran that sideshow for at least forty years.
diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: well, with age and lock-up knees, it might indeed be quite impossible she kneels for you, there is also that.
mp_en_viaje: o btw BingoBoingo cunt-intel-pros santa also has a tidbit for you. did you know that in your native chicago a "larouche movement" chick made democratic ticket secretary of state (along with some others), and then adlai wouldn't run on the ticket with the nuts so he invented "solidarity party" which of course cost him the election -- but here's the morcel : until ~the day after the election~ the idiot press reported the defeated democratic
mp_en_viaje: ercise by the very koschei itself.
ossabot: Logged on 2017-08-11 14:37:00 mircea_popescu: this is how it manages the inapproximable "whisks" of meaning that latin-style then has so much trouble noting down.
mp_en_viaje: and then, to add insult to injury, all sort of nobodies on a stick (trump and obama have this exact whisk in common, that as much as trump was an outsider laughingstock for the business community, obama was an outsider laughingstock for the counterculti/commies -- they're literally the same object in a structuralist perspective) ended up arbitrarily named in a purely nominative ex
diana_coman: I had more fun with the "how to make a movement" , "going under cover" and all the "we are very serious(ly playing) here"
mp_en_viaje: then it turned out the fantasyland ontologic approach to existence dun work irl, technology takes over and soon enough they had no name at all, let alone the RIGHT name.
ossabot: Logged on 2016-12-07 19:15:10 mircea_popescu: the whole story is decided at the onset - ARE you hero mc heroson ? yes ? then you go kill koschei. no ? then you don't. what do you mean "do what he did" ffs.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, he's not entirely wrong, either. his diagnosis is correct in at least that juncture : that radical pantsuits never got anywhere, 1960 - 2020, through the exact same mechanism : just as soon as they had two sticks to rub together, they'd get baited into confrontation with the establishment, cuz they're such great heroes & ilya muromets' their name.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-09 17:42:34 mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other 60s lulz (since jfw 's memoirs prompted my sending intel on a digging expedition through the shockingly irrelevant microfractures of the us communist party mega-soviet outreach failure) : https://www.markrudd.com/
dorion_road: I can't say I'm very enthused, but looking to see the upside and get through it as productive as I can be. Getting back to Panama will be a relief for sure.
mp_en_viaje: the "it" being the ~same it as for say the sad kids, self-hallucinated relevancy based on personal illiteracy, incuriosity &c americanskisms.
mp_en_viaje: derpy dood who "went underground" for nothing in particular, got bored of it half decade in for you know, not making enough money, came back out and apologized, spent the next four decades trying to milk "it"
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile in other 60s lulz (since jfw 's memoirs prompted my sending intel on a digging expedition through the shockingly irrelevant microfractures of the us communist party mega-soviet outreach failure) : https://www.markrudd.com/