mircea_popescu: this is basically the fundamental deal of "we have unskilled, obedient derps here and nothing else. what now ?"
mircea_popescu: anyway, the gist of it is that "manufacturer" gets tooling on credit, materials sourced by and fixed sale contracts to the same party.
mircea_popescu: the truth of this point can be appreciated by the incredible expansion of lohn in the 90s in eeu.
mircea_popescu: i suspect germany (all opf the machines had to be german!!1) made marginally more money selling the gear than the women in question saved, had exports been allowed.
mircea_popescu: ex "mechanical engineer", reminds me a lot of the rather famous zarone, g g dej's driver, then minister.
phf: i think in su the purpose of sewing machine was to pirate french pret-a-porter that would not be otherwise accessible in stores. could buy sewing pattern magazines, i.e. Burda. aunt made some side money in the 70s making garments "like them french girls"
asciilifeform: but overall flavour is the same.
mircea_popescu: very different. they were georgians not fucking eskimo.
asciilifeform: really not so different from that other nomenklatura.
asciilifeform unfortunately knows very well what they look like.
mircea_popescu: it's not JUST bharara. there's an entire generation of this scum barnacling the place.
mircea_popescu: http://www.anderson.ucla.edu/faculty/finance/faculty/chowdhry << in case you're wondering what the vermin usg has created looks like.
mircea_popescu: obviously i have no relation to either the woman or her line of work, and she could just as well do it on her own, but i'm aspiring to be as cool as Chowcoolie Whatsiname one day.
mircea_popescu: that should the nobel committee decide to give stoya the peace prize i am prepared to accept it on her behalf
mircea_popescu: in other news, i would like to announce
asciilifeform: and other threadz re: same.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 14:33:45; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu brings up interesting point. entirely possible that north kr will binge to death on reddit, like the red skinned man did on liquor, when the time comes
mircea_popescu: the haircuts, also ?
pete_dushenski: https://www.nknews.org/2015/11/conversations-with-north-koreans/ << “This so-called South Korea thing,” he sneered, “it’s just America.” “You say isolated. We say self-reliant. That’s our ideology. That’s how we weather economic crises caused by America,” << damn. spot on !
mircea_popescu: it is a craft tho, the expectation you spend the 1500 dm and wife can now make clothes is out of place.
asciilifeform was about to ask 'who the fuck cancelled this' but then remembered chinese pseudoclothes
mircea_popescu: maybe 10% of them did anything useful with it.
mircea_popescu: in this line, there was a time in central/eastern yurp when married woman HAD to have sewing machine.
phf: mircea_popescu: the second. i think you dump ingredients, bread comes out, but enough manual steps that people still manage to not use it. maybe cleaning is the time consuming part..
mircea_popescu: i suppose the enduring popularity these chunks of nonsense enjoyed should make no one surprised at the 3d printer mania.
phf: danielpbarron: yeah, girl bakes bread in oven on the regular, i just stick to poor engineer's substitute for day to day-- chapatis
mircea_popescu: or you mean the actual "hey epson now makes bread" assembly line in your kitchen thing
mircea_popescu: well you'd have to be, it's the main requisite for being a sourdough miner!
mircea_popescu: so now they're... doing things.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's not even that, it's more along the lines of "social media derps don't matter", which irks them.
phf: actually in u.s. breadmakers is one of those appliances, that people buy and then never use. i know because every time bread comes up in conversation, an owner will point out that they have one. somehow they still buy cardboard bread at store, and only break out breadmaker on special occasions, if ever.
mircea_popescu: heh. the march of science eh.
asciilifeform: '1-Methylcyclopropene (1-MCP) is a gaseous molecule that blocks the sites of ethylene binding and action in fruit. Marketed under the commercial name SmartFreshTM, it is increasingly used across a wide variety of stored products where the inhibition of ethylene effects is desired.'
mircea_popescu: incidentally, is ripening gas still ethylene or did they find some way to use radiocesium or some shit for the purpose ?
phf: tv diners, canned vegetables, bag of crisps, and when feeling fancy (or don't want to deal with cooking for the kids) it's time for a mcdonalds trip!
mircea_popescu: "what is this ?" "vegetables and rice" "no it isn't. where you got these ?" "oh, they come in very convenient bags, frozen" "are you fucking crazy ?!"
asciilifeform: possibly from the use of ripening gas
mircea_popescu: you name it. even the fucking bananas have an actual flavour, as opposed to the styrofoam at walmart.
phf: because can't compete with the real thing
phf: i've learned recently that one of the larger usian pro-embargo lobbies are pistachio manufacturers
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 20:46:17; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell danielpbarron mind dropping https://twitter.com/sam_kriss a link to the latest contravex, seeing as how he quite so eloquently inspired the thing
asciilifeform let the whole thing be, if anyone recalls
mircea_popescu: so then let it be, once it's used more we'll understand better what;s needed with it in practice.
asciilifeform: wanted to import blockchain time rather than nato time, but sure.
mircea_popescu: i couldn't give less of a shit what they do. if tomorrow california falls in the ocean i won't notice, nor care.
mircea_popescu: stop trying to import usg into bitcoin through the negative.
asciilifeform: then can forget time.
asciilifeform: where somebody gets trapped in a bubble and told 'the state of the art is this thing here and guess what they never got $longagosolveditem to work, therealbitcoin suxx!!1111'
mircea_popescu: patches reference antecedents. there is no notion of time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the fuck ?
asciilifeform: neither is required to build ~a~ press, no
mod6: anyway, i think the real thing I was getting at there as sort of an alternative host incase of necessary reboot or maint to the other host.
asciilifeform: there is only one way to reliably broadcast 1) when a particular patch came to exist 2) what the present state of the art may be.
mod6: time doesn't matter, its the precedence. right?
mod6: <+asciilifeform> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324165 << imho this is a job for deedbot << eh, Mr. P. said deedbotting the vpatches was a death-wish.
mod6: at some point when the bitcoin isp is up and going and the foundation can afford it or the resources donated, we'll make the switch, happily.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 18:04:39; mod6: shinohai: we recieved an email that said if we do not reboot box in the next 24 hours, they will do it for us.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324128 << whgart the shit is this ? << it costs me $7 per month.
jurov: i already did for mpex proxies, they resolved very erratically
mircea_popescu would never use this if it came to not using dns altogether.
jurov: and first thing they wanted was photo of my cc
jurov: i don't pay them bitcoins
mircea_popescu wonders idly how much of france's current problems actually have to do with its ill inspired continuation of a once expedient, long pointless alliance with the ustards, and how much has to do with the ill advised but tribally motivated amnesty miterrand gave to the italian terrorists back when italy decided it had enough of that shit.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324191 << ima see how this one holds up. it is kind-of refreshing that you don't have to ASK people about whether they accept bitcoin by now.
jurov: btw, i was not normal boy. was never allowed out to the street, granny was too afraid
asciilifeform: but i'm running low on hypothetical-juice
asciilifeform: so in soviet yugo, supposing i'd grown up there, i'd possibly be something more like jurov.
asciilifeform: believe or not i was a perfectly normal boy (complete with the normal fistfights etc) before being forcibly removed to the land of monkeys
mircea_popescu: also diskettes = plutonium, in soviet yugo alf would starve with a planeful of diskettes because "there's nothing can do with"
mircea_popescu: he has a pretty elaborate thing secreted there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually it is more specifically that with my level of social skillz it doesn't pay the rentz.
mircea_popescu: no, the stand-in objection to that is "social skillz"
jurov: i don't get it. you could then get nice money fixing vhs recorders and smuggling diskettes and whatever
mircea_popescu: except for the 5 or so jobs anyone ever wanted
mircea_popescu: jurov think in soviet yugo terms, which is exactly what the us is :
mircea_popescu: the effects of "selfesteem" school quite evident.
mircea_popescu: it's not that none meeting the quals.
asciilifeform: and there is also a pestilence of credentialism
mircea_popescu: in the following sense : printing money renders sense arbitrary, and if sense is arbitrary then specialists become just another kind of voodoo practitioners. nobody cancelled the "if you're gonmna hire a voodoo priest, hire the cheapest" rule, and so here we are.
asciilifeform: ^ this, but also that the lemon market is so dire that folks trying to actually accomplish something tend to be ~extremely~ conservative
mircea_popescu: jurov no, the gist of his argument is that skill/competence are meaningless close enough to the money printer.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324161 << this is actually true. it also happens to be that russians were the devil throughout my formative years.
asciilifeform: the rivers of lying, stinking meat ~have an effect~
asciilifeform: that is, the market is a lemon market, and folks tend to get recruited 95% via meatwot and the remainder via verifiable recs
asciilifeform: jurov: so we aren't talking about the same problem.
jurov: i was "already" there as sysadmin, so what?
asciilifeform: jurov: you were already there
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 18:04:39; mod6: shinohai: we recieved an email that said if we do not reboot box in the next 24 hours, they will do it for us.
jurov: asciilifeform: i was not hired specifically to do that, but had to. cuz i was the only one who had a clue in whole fucking company
mircea_popescu: they exist, somewhere. in meta-nsa-high.
mircea_popescu: not the point tho.
asciilifeform: shitheads - sure. and i'm what, an instantly likable lolcat?
asciilifeform: familiar enough with the subj.
asciilifeform: i don't disagree re: the imams.
mircea_popescu: for all you know they worship white folk.
mircea_popescu: and you'd think this on the basis of what ?
mircea_popescu: i'd take the imams any day when it comes to religious nuts.
mircea_popescu: obviously there's religious nuts, but guess what, u of maryland has some derps "working on ethereum" right now.
pete_dushenski: he's just not enough of a jooey chameleon then ?
mircea_popescu: there isn't a place on earth he'd be moving down to, not really.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 03:10:49; asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323614 << or why stan is still in us of a. nowhere to defect to save isis. and they're internet's even worse.
mircea_popescu: i mean... looky, my time wasn't free when i was 15, either.
mircea_popescu: i would replace ALL of them
mircea_popescu: this notion of one to one replacement as a necessity is a little bizarre, to my ears. also the notion that a 17yo could interdict any field to me is a little odd.
asciilifeform: (for the elementary reason that a 33 y.o. fella doesn't make a good 17y.o. emulator. for instance, the latter's wage won't pay the rentz. etcetcetc)
mircea_popescu: the objection here is to what you say, not to what you are.
asciilifeform: well there is this it-shaped pit
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: on the off chance that you find this interesting, i don't avoid www dev because 'it is dirty' - at this very moment i'm dealing with undocumented idiocies in the win7 kernel. but because it is a '17y.o. thing'
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 17:29:23; BingoBoingo: Florida's quarterback this year was suspended because he was doping with a research chemical being tested for muscle wasting in cancer patients, aka the idiot college way
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324119 << there is a very strict limit for testing, specifically that you can't test without reagent, and the reagent must react with something. ergo every single substance tested requires some blood. you can't take eight pints out of athletes, much less infinity pints, so you can't test for infinity things.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:32:37; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm rich. money insulates people. TO THEIR DETRIMENT.
pete_dushenski: at least in the direction it's currently heading.
asciilifeform: i mean, i 'pick and choose' in the sense a surgeon chooses to slice guts instead of unloading railcars, yes
pete_dushenski: and what other options do they have ? not like they're actually talented at programming and can pick and choose they're work like you can
pete_dushenski: right, which is why i doubt it takes much awareness to realise how garbage the webstack is.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: afaik most 'confront the reality' when they first clock in at 1st paying gig
pete_dushenski: and many who thought that "coding was kool" are currently confronting an entirely different reality from the one they presupposed
pete_dushenski: well, and that most of the webkidz who aren't currently hungry are about to be, because they have no skillz.
pete_dushenski: the point was that your personal experience with "coders" =! all the hungry kids derping up web 2.0
pete_dushenski: no one else has either, don't feel bad
pete_dushenski: and the amount of effort and energetic expenditure required by any centralised nation state to fashion proprietary cpu makes the prospect of the chinese undertaking the task assuredly improbable
funkenstein_: who's "they" here?
pete_dushenski: i'm coming around to the theory that they're too smart to grant that much independence and autonomy willy nilly
pete_dushenski: why would they ?
pete_dushenski: but what's the cpu point ? reference ?
funkenstein_: on a related note I never did care which sporting club logo is on the hat of the guys making the cpu
funkenstein_: bring on the zero state solution
jurov: and as long swiss people are in charge, i don't expect them to
pete_dushenski: https://samkriss.wordpress.com/2015/11/08/the-englishman-and-the-octopus/ << this one
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i thought of you when reading sam kriss' review of the latest bond flick, spectre. particularly the bits about Cthulhu and Necronomicon references
ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform share the lyrics for that?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: re: israel article: anecdote. a few yrs back, on the porch of my old flat, neighbour playing guitar, 'hatikva' (why? no one knows.) pet, to me: 'why is this fella playing 'languishing in auschwitz' ??!' me: 'you forgot - this is an actual song, i broke it'
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:01:19; mircea_popescu: in other news, http://40.media.tumblr.com/3ea4c6cfd1af432bba0675b8bde21056/tumblr_n74hilKQPB1qzuheco1_1280.jpg (nsfa)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323360 << cunegonde's brother and his naked mussulman ?
pete_dushenski: one out running errands, the other amusing himself on the change-table, strapped-in tightly (rolling off is, as of this morning, a risk!)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: how're the lady and boy keeping ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell danielpbarron mind dropping https://twitter.com/sam_kriss a link to the latest contravex, seeing as how he quite so eloquently inspired the thing
mod6: for the money, i don't think its a big deal. one year of uptime, no problems, it's just a website.
mod6: asciilifeform: something to the effect of ``update to network''. no idea.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 06:55:15; mircea_popescu: there is a dearth of poets. especially in nonfrench, nonlatin languages.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 18:02:37; mod6: 12:43AM up 315 days << the foundation site has been up for nearly a year. we've been told it requires a reboot.
asciilifeform: (leaving entirely aside the question of whether phoundation's thing is in any actual sense a bitcoinatron or not)
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 17:15:48; mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/11/core-bitcoin-client-to-drop-transaction-priority/ << so basically they're doing the best they can to ruin a functional system to create a perceived need for the nonsense hm ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324106 << afaik their incarnation of this never actually worked
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 16:35:18; punkman: from the i-dont-even department http://www.dailydot.com/politics/paris-attack-encryption-snowden/
assbot: Horsey Rides for the Morbidly Obese - Video Clip | Comedy Central ... ( http://bit.ly/1NwMR7d )
punkman: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/xvyhbs/nathan-for-you-horsey-rides-for-the-morbidly-obese for you BingoBoingo
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 17:16:05; mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other end, we still dun have pogos going, because reasons of racial purity.
BingoBoingo: ty for the rebooty
jurov: *everyone* in the vps business had to update recently
BingoBoingo eating chicken hearts as part of a program to maximize the number of deaths that contribute to each meal
mod6: shinohai: we recieved an email that said if we do not reboot box in the next 24 hours, they will do it for us.
mod6: 12:43AM up 315 days << the foundation site has been up for nearly a year. we've been told it requires a reboot.
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 17:17:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would << roger ver is the type that can afford a cup of coffee if you're paying it.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1324109 <<< also he is the type that thinks paying for a single cup of coffee with bitcoin is good and revolutionary.
BingoBoingo: Florida's quarterback this year was suspended because he was doping with a research chemical being tested for muscle wasting in cancer patients, aka the idiot college way
BingoBoingo: The people who get caught generally order shit online hoping to stay in front of testing, while A-Rod goes to the pharmacy.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo anyway, the angry cartloader's main point stands : your chances of "detecting" doping are exactly akin to the prospects of every other bayesian pseudoscientific approach.
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would << roger ver is the type that can afford a cup of coffee if you're paying it.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other end, we still dun have pogos going, because reasons of racial purity.
mircea_popescu: http://qntra.net/2015/11/core-bitcoin-client-to-drop-transaction-priority/ << so basically they're doing the best they can to ruin a functional system to create a perceived need for the nonsense hm ?
mircea_popescu: lol the murican college kids have come to expect ?
trinque: did they encrypt raqqa?
punkman: from the i-dont-even department http://www.dailydot.com/politics/paris-attack-encryption-snowden/
shinohai: Roger Ver strikes me as the type that would sue Qntra and myself if I wrote apiece on him and his vote-brigading bitcoin forum for example.
BingoBoingo: Calling people what they are is not ad hominen
BingoBoingo: Seriously the protests at Mizzou aren't even local news anymoar http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/mizzou/eye-on-the-tigers/tributes-to-pinkel-he-resurrected-missouri-football/article_893a3418-052a-5fec-80d6-9e608925c2d3.html
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Well, then the proper course of action is to submit a draft and let me overanal-ice it to death
shinohai: At one time ... I am the worst person at over-analyzing anything I write to death. I may shock you and submit something one day.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Honestly Mizzou protester lost the spotlight at MIZZOU on Thursday when Gary Pinkel announced he was retiring at the end of the year because he has cancer.
assbot: UN-EFFING-BELIEVABLE! Mizzou Protesters Are ANGRY Paris Terror Attacks Stole Their MEDIA SPOTLIGHT!!! ... ( http://bit.ly/1HPPGhO )
shinohai: BingoBoingo: didja see this? http://soopermexican.com/2015/11/13/un-effing-believable-mizzou-protesters-are-angry-paris-terror-attacks-stole-their-media-spotlight/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski What is you opinion on the "mini moon" style hubcaps as applied to sedans. I'm thinking about removing the cheap plastic wheel covers and classing up my steelies.
gribble: pete_dushenski was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 17 hours, 28 minutes, and 22 seconds ago: * pete_dushenski to go pick up saddam from mechanic then to dinner. later !
shinohai: Probab;y why Micorsit hopped on their train.
mircea_popescu: mno. from the outside it looks like a bunch of unemployable / mentally retarded adults + a bunch of homeless/orphan/parentally neglected children getting frothed at the mouth over the third pass of incredibly banal, fundamentally broken nonsense.
mircea_popescu: "The Ethereum ecosystem is incredibly exciting, but from an outsider perspective it might seem like just another fringe idea"
mircea_popescu: o check it out, reddit stopped loading worth a shit either sometime in between today and last i looked
BingoBoingo: Seems like the Winkelvii exchange just might have
assbot: Gemini $2200 per Bitcoin! Are they out of Bitcoin to sell? - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H1Wyh8 )
punkman: BingoBoingo: Allegedly https://imgur.com/sabA0Jd << "did they run out of bitcoinz?" lolderp
BingoBoingo: But basically that is the sort of prose used when addressing persons who aspire to be pickup trucks
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> this guy's prose reads like he belongs loading traincars. << He prolly does belong in such an occupation. Much of their subculture apparently proses like that or worse.
assbot: Gemini $2200 per Bitcoin! Are they out of Bitcoin to sell? - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1H1Wyh8 )
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> what the fuck is a crossfit anyway << Going to Gym, but with cult elements
mircea_popescu: o hey check it out, joining charlie yankee in his Operation Being Stupid I through XXVIII reeeeally paid off for the euros.
mircea_popescu: whatg, they got no women in tech at .bs or wtf is this.
punkman: "That does it. We're going nuclear on their asses." "But your enemy is actually *a meme*." "Fuck it. I said nuclear."
fluffypony: "First time since 1945 that France has declared a nationwide state of emergency. Means state can control the press and enter private homes at any time (according to the French Government website)"
punkman: anyway, they were best known for http://morganlinton.com/44-of-rogue-online-pharmacies-are-registered-at-internet-bs-how-pharmacy-plans-to-change-that/
punkman: ah seems like they were bought out http://www.thedomains.com/2014/06/17/centralnic-to-acquire-internet-bs-in-a-deal-worth-up-to-7-5-million/
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323345 << I've heard a couple cases where they suspended bunch of domains for stupid reasons
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is a crossfit anyway
mircea_popescu: s and not get caught. Again, were not bragging, were trying to let you, (perhaps) a first time reader, see where were coming from. We know without a doubt that steroids are already in Crossfit, because instructors have already been arrested for dealing them. So thats an irrefutable fact."
mircea_popescu: "Theres no sugar-coating the following fact: Weve helped people beat drug tests. Weve studied the most current drug tests, we know whats in play, where the learning curves are, we know whats trending in the sporting community, and what new drugs are coming down the pipeline from China and elsewhere. Simply stated, we can help anyone, in any sport including Crossfit use performance enhancing drug
mircea_popescu: actually, the whole thing's worth a read, http://abardel.free.fr/petite_anthologie/lettre_du_voyant.htm
mircea_popescu: iirc this guy grew up in a convent, with a schizogenic mother.
phf: certainly few that "grew up in the market-place"
mircea_popescu: who am i going to name, the rich teutonic tradition ?
mircea_popescu: there is a dearth of poets. especially in nonfrench, nonlatin languages.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform poet from 10 to about 16, then went to africa made his name trading arms.
BingoBoingo: phf: Also other confounding factors http://www.prehabbeforerehab.com/ped-use-the-crossfit-games/
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the strange case of mr rimbaud ?
asciilifeform: (respect as in man - now that is a thing that never was, or will be, for them.)
asciilifeform: respected as in how one respects one's expensive clock or pair of boots, rather than a man
asciilifeform: perhaps 'respect' is the wrong word
asciilifeform: 1880 usa was something like the first and last time,place where 'inventor' was a semi-respectable thing to be
mircea_popescu: always remember : hairdo dates the coin.
phf: http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9982/hellsangels.jpg << i mean they look almost effeminate by present herpaderp standards, because fat==muscle
mircea_popescu: the vhs tape stuck every housewife with having to be deep throat and consumer credit saddled every husband with having to be a knight, not even a squire.
asciilifeform: this is incidentally the year which i inhabit in my delusion.