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trinque: http://trilema.com/2015/and-then-you-never-knew-what-this-was/ << I can only say that I read it five times and liked it more each.
assbot: And then you never knew what this was... on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OHStS0 )
mircea_popescu: better lsd on the west coast ?
trinque: I think I take your argument that it's not needed now.
trinque: in this there is truly a psychological elsewhere
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ben_vulpes: wonder of wonders
ben_vulpes: insurance company is covering like 5 days in the hospital
ben_vulpes: ty, asciilifeform! when you get around to it, please please please let me know in which ways i could improve it, or if there are mega-conceptual shifts i could effect within myself to do it better next time.
mircea_popescu: ahh this place brings out the best in people.
mircea_popescu: well... this and the maternity ward, at any rate.
assbot: Logged on 10-11-2015 22:56:22; mircea_popescu: i only burned a coupla!
liquidassets: sometimes you bum me out, like depression for days
liquidassets: sorry if not on topic, catching up with some logs as usual
liquidassets: sometimes depression like when you said that guy had no soul from TLP
liquidassets: but other times you come through
liquidassets: sometimes I find myself talking about you with ladyfriend and then she gets it in her head that your "dark" or something, and then I end up defending you, or we end up arguing about it...fucking strange right?
mircea_popescu: actually this happens a lot.
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ben_vulpes: > nuchal translucency -- 366.00
BingoBoingo: Oh ben_vulpes is itemizing the bebe vulpes bill?
ben_vulpes: no just the retarded bits
BingoBoingo: It's an American hospital bill, you will find many there
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ben_vulpes: whaack: your alma mater's ip is leaking
ben_vulpes: !up whaack
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ben_vulpes: is that dosser around still?
ben_vulpes: !up moneycat
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liquidassets: seemed like I got kicked off for a second ben_vulpes
liquidassets: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-11-2015#1322645 <<talking with a potential client yesterday interested in 10-40 acre pasture land, apparently raising pigs and finishing them on a diet of acorn yields Jamón ibérico, some crazy expensive pork belly product native to southwestern Spain.
assbot: Logged on 12-11-2015 18:55:36; ben_vulpes: my limited research only turned up a wee bit of acorn based products, mostly asian 'speciality' foods. and i want it milled, not transparent slabs.
punkman: liquidassets: legs not belly, quite delicious indeed
liquidassets: really...? he said something like $1000/lb, was it expensive? Where did you try it?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: I remember seeing prices of 50-150+ euros per kilo in spain, but not sure if the cheaper ones were Iberico
punkman: curing meat for 2-3 years probably takes some dedication
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assbot: Logged on 12-11-2015 18:55:36; ben_vulpes: my limited research only turned up a wee bit of acorn based products, mostly asian 'speciality' foods. and i want it milled, not transparent slabs.
shinohai: Acorn biscotti is quite good, imho
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mircea_popescu: hmmm... listen, is it me or have the us protestors forgotten the ancient art of the molotov cocktail "?
mircea_popescu: i've not seen a single one, wtf is this ?
mircea_popescu: tlp's "throw rocks" is an EUPHEMISM. you're not throwing fuelbombs, you'll lose.
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BingoBoingo: They forgot. Apparently in ferguson there were unsuccessful attemps
mircea_popescu: well, ima write a monograph, one minute.
BingoBoingo: Seems like they googled and got disinfo recipes
thestringpuller: don't think a rioter has thrown a molotov cocktail in the US since rodney king
shinohai: I find the orange juice napalm recipe from fight club works nice with a more ignition-friendly 2:1 ratio is used.
mircea_popescu: stop putting shit in your drinks.
mircea_popescu: it's called a "cocktail" IRONICALLY. because yes, people from my place ~~~invented~~~ this "irony" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: unlike the ustards they also know how to use it, but besides the point
punkman: orange juice?
mircea_popescu: !s disinfo recipes
assbot: 0 results for 'disinfo recipes' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=disinfo+recipes
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: why would the muppeteers burn their own capital ?
mircea_popescu: you and your retroactive reasoning.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 15:14:24; mircea_popescu: !s disinfo recipes
asciilifeform: re: the idiot publishers censoring basic craft from novels
assbot: A Blast From The Past, or, The Molotov Cocktail Guide. This is how you win. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1HMUhkM )
asciilifeform: 'A taser delivers ~10 Joules per hit, a Molotov Cocktail delivers ~270`000 Joules per hit, you do the math.' << mno. mostly heats the air. just like when you burn the same petrol in an engine.
asciilifeform: if it delivered 270kJ you wouldn't need artillery.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: galons -> gallons?
mircea_popescu: let them do the math!
mircea_popescu: ahe thestringpuller
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other thing is that a good petrol bomb includes a gelling agent
asciilifeform: e.g., the styrofoam that was replaced with 'orange juice' by palahniuk's publisher
asciilifeform: otherwise it tends to spread uselessly
mircea_popescu: think the plastic in the bottle's not gonna be enough ?
asciilifeform: and can be washed off
asciilifeform: the bottle does not melt very quickly
mircea_popescu: this is a point.
mircea_popescu: im adding packing peanuts.
punkman: glass bottle might be better
asciilifeform: srsly this is what, three quarters of a century-old tech
asciilifeform: not mega-s33kr1t
mircea_popescu: punkman worse, not so available.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not so. beer.
asciilifeform: today as it was then.
punkman: a lot of beer :P
asciilifeform: and glass bottles were used in ww2 su. lets you use phosphorus or some other fulminating agent to touch the thing off
asciilifeform: (don't drop yer rucksack)
shinohai finds no notable spelling errors in mircea_popescu 's article, enjoyed it.
asciilifeform: the aspiring diversante is advised to see to it that his peanuts actually dissolve
davout: easier to screw a cap on a plastic bottle tho
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, aluminum
asciilifeform: (iirc there are materials - tyvek? - which will not)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: plenty of glass beer bottles in usa
mircea_popescu: ah good point
asciilifeform has never once drank it out of aluminum
asciilifeform: at any rate, i predict that no one will throw petrol bombs in usa, until after it becomes 'fusa'
asciilifeform: (like fussr)
mircea_popescu: aaand updated.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what people do is really besides the point.
asciilifeform: 'salvation of the drowning is work for the hands of the selfsame drowning' (tm) (r) (ru church)
deedbot-: [Trilema] A Blast From The Past, or, The Molotov Cocktail Guide. This is how you win. - http://trilema.com/2015/a-blast-from-the-past-or-the-molotov-cocktail-guide-this-is-how-you-win/
mircea_popescu: epic how the rss feed delay worked this time
mircea_popescu: i got all the changes in just in timwe
asciilifeform: no photo of packing peanuts ?
asciilifeform: iirc the other reason for the thickening agent is to avoid 'leidenfrost effect'
asciilifeform: where the petrol harmlessly boils off
mircea_popescu: vapor insulator ?
punkman: plastic bottle doesn't break, how will it spread the gas when thrown?
mircea_popescu: not summer anymore, but yeah
mircea_popescu: punkman it melts.
punkman: so it lands and rolls around, then melts?
mircea_popescu: it melts in flight if you're any good.
asciilifeform: plastic is a poor choice unless target is stationary (e.g., the glass window of a nazi office).
asciilifeform: it will roll harmlessly off a tank.
mircea_popescu: you ever seen this ?
mircea_popescu: the straw is there so you adjust for flight distance.
punkman: sawdust is also an old staple, according to local lore at least
mircea_popescu: yeah but where are they gonna get sawdust.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it isn't that it is entirely unworkable, but this takes you back to the 18th century, before impact detonator was a thing
mircea_popescu: so let them develop some skill.
asciilifeform: 'assembly line with phd'
mircea_popescu: "naturally arisisng social hierarchy".
mircea_popescu: you want the dumbass "community organizers" to run into a group of people who have built natural respect for skill, tested in the field.
mircea_popescu: unlike the usg, that works a little for itself and the rest for us, i work for us. the whole way.
asciilifeform: if this existed in usa today, it would look like usa circa 1950 and there'd be no question of 'which bottle'
mircea_popescu: i dun believe either that if stands or it'd matter if it stood.
mircea_popescu: horribru disease, counterfactualism.
asciilifeform: as it is, courage XOR skill. presently.
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mircea_popescu is kinda pleased nobody picked on ho-fficer as a misspelling.
thestringpuller: is this why we don't use flamethrowers anymore?
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funkenstein_: for those interested in setting up 25 cent vps nodes: buildroot needs more than 512 M ram to build toolchain
kakobrekla: 25 cent ? what, per hour ?
mircea_popescu: how much does it need ?
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funkenstein_: not sure. probably better to build elsewhere and pass it in?
mircea_popescu: usually how it's done.
funkenstein_: did i mention i'm a slow learner?
funkenstein_ applauds molotov instruction
mircea_popescu: hehe. now go share it.
funkenstein_: kakobrekla, 25 cents per 36 hours or so :D
funkenstein_: y'all might be interested in this guy's promotion of roll your own crypto: http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/NSAchallenge.php
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shinohai: "Yik Yak is basically a bathroom stall," <<< <3
BingoBoingo: No it isn't. Bathroom stalls don't snitch to the popo
BingoBoingo: !up hdbuck
hdbuck: hey
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punkman: funkenstein_: kakobrekla, 25 cents per 36 hours or so :D << I've seen some for 50 cents / month
mircea_popescu: that is a vulva.
mircea_popescu: but #whatever, me approves of the way we've been moving window. few years ago it was tits for money, now it's cunt for free.
kakobrekla: i think you still run tits for money thing.
mircea_popescu: so i do.
kakobrekla: perhaps it needs an update. show me your cunt and ill allow you to write xyz on your tits, or something.
jurov: !t m s.mpoe
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asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323070 << for those interested in eating in dumpsters: broken glass is sharp and doesn't taste very good
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 17:11:20; funkenstein_: for those interested in setting up 25 cent vps nodes: buildroot needs more than 512 M ram to build toolchain
BingoBoingo: Doesn't taste very bad either. Very neutral taste
asciilifeform: if you like the taste of own blood
asciilifeform: what is it with this expectation people have that 'vps' etc is usable.
asciilifeform: esp. for 25c
BingoBoingo: The blood has its own taste, merely incidental to the glass consumption.
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mircea_popescu: this is good for fatcoin.
assbot: BitBet (S.BBET) October 2015 Statement on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nvn7YJ )
BingoBoingo: Seriously. May the MayoGendered and Law Enforcement in the United States unify in morbid obesity.
mircea_popescu: what to do in argentina while awaiting for plumber ?
mircea_popescu: take a long hot shower secure in the knowledge they won't show up.
asciilifeform: do mircea_popescu's pets shit gravel, or what. much plumber.
mircea_popescu: much place.
asciilifeform: 'n-engined airplane theorem' ?
asciilifeform: (n engines, n*c engine problems)
mircea_popescu: something like that.
mircea_popescu: no money, no problems. always remember.
BingoBoingo wonders how asciilifeform would handle sudden wealth in the form of 2000 BTC, a 20lb gold dumbell (encased in vinyl for concealment), and a duffel bag full of $20 dollar bills.
BingoBoingo: Since the $20's aren't benjies they can be spent
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the same way i would handle monkeys flooding out of my arse while the sky turns fluorescent purple
BingoBoingo: So panic?
asciilifeform: so NULL
BingoBoingo: I was kinda hoping the answer would have been sprat boat
asciilifeform: or, if you prefer,
asciilifeform: or for 'scheme' aficionados, #f
punkman: but world is javascript, so "undefined"
BingoBoingo: How do you know the lizards now aren't going to make the monkeys and sky thing happen to you nao
jurov: alf would indeed surmise these things must have come from lizard hitler
BingoBoingo: I'm pretty sure "arse monkeys" is now on a requisition form somewhere in fort Meade
BingoBoingo thinking now if it would count if the monkeys were blended and used in an enema
jurov: BingoBoingo: check for any weird substances in your drink?
BingoBoingo: Maybe it's just the sobriety thing getting in my head
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ben_vulpes: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Panda-Small-Mini-Dryer-5-5lbs-2-5kg-Compact-Apartment-Dryer-Pan725sf-New-/301640663755?hash=item463b2f42cb:g:aYoAAOSweW5VXhZa << breakeven with the "on site" quarter-driven driver is some 173 loads, minus the value of being able to dry infantwear on demand.
assbot: Panda Small Mini Dryer-5.5lbs/2.5kg Compact Apartment Dryer Pan725sf New ... ( http://bit.ly/1RUpybl )
ben_vulpes: ah, the poverty of my generation.
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asciilifeform: jurov: mno
asciilifeform: jurov: the market place for ~other folks'~ exploits.
pete_dushenski: ;;seen chetty
gribble: chetty was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 4 days, 3 hours, 24 minutes, and 37 seconds ago: <chetty> perhaps this will backlash into getting more people off windows ...nah, I dream
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell chetty you game for in an interview re: eulora ? i have a bitcoin-themed podcast who's interested :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: said podcast, "let's talk bitcoin" may also be interested in talking to BingoBoingo and asciilifeform regarding their respective projects.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: THIS IS PR!
asciilifeform: they know where to find us forfuckssake
pete_dushenski has the sneaking suspicion that he's going to find myself as a guest on podcast. because tmsr doesn't do vocal chords.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: could you be persuaded to represent qntra for a voice interview ?
pete_dushenski: kk scratch the voice idea. interviewers will come here.
pete_dushenski: i dunno what's wrong with my head.
pete_dushenski: trying to manage "the people" using my tsmr head will take some sorting otu
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hdbuck: shit hitting the fan in paris
mircea_popescu: hdbuck those dudes know all about burning cars huh.
pete_dushenski: hdbuck: what's the fuss this time ?
assbot: Paris shooting: Several killed and injured after 'Kalashnikov and grenade attacks' across French capital - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqlnUC )
hdbuck: ‘on going'
mircea_popescu: je suis charlie un poco mas ?
asciilifeform: for piiiiigleeet!!!
hdbuck: 40 deaths?? Oo
mircea_popescu: oh look art that, telegraph doesn't actually load a usable page.
mircea_popescu: i guess the frfench stuff never happened.
hdbuck wonders if the OCP21 thingy will be cancelled.
pete_dushenski: what's that?
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: where was the podcast thing or whatever it was
pete_dushenski: also, what's going to be the "paris of the west" once paris is part of the "east" ?
assbot: Home | Lets Talk Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1SqmTpN )
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: which issue ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: the interviews haven't been done yet ?
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asciilifeform: well no shit
asciilifeform: but where did pete_dushenski get the idea that they wanted any
asciilifeform: let'em come here.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: podcast folks typically expect a voice track, yes. and now that i think about it, i've heard a dozen or so episodes of this one. quite mediocre (shilled for gavin, hearn, et al) but as i recall - quite popular.
asciilifeform: so if you feel like preaching to the heathens, go for it.
pete_dushenski: i'm proposing that they come here and, if they so desire, have a voice actor play the role of interviewee for the program
pete_dushenski: they also have a blog so there's that
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski does this thing have to be oral ?
pete_dushenski: and yes, reasonably popular
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm trying to work around it. tbd.
phf: have interview on #b-a, have a dramatic reading version for podcasters
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323187 << updated, '40 dead... grenades ... pump-action shotgun' etc
mircea_popescu: tell you what, if it IS a podcast they can do the interview in writing here like sane people, then i'll pay some slut to read my lines out into a mic.
mircea_popescu: gimicky enough to actually add value to their shit anyway.
pete_dushenski: 'stan, of cardano fame, played by james earl jones
hdbuck: true true
asciilifeform does not have very much to say to podcast people
hdbuck: eh anyway, was quite a bummer, now, im just getting way used to this shit. what a world.
mircea_popescu: o look, phf had my idea, only a minute eartlier.
phf: i like the slut version, but it has to sound really bubbly and vapid. i was thinking have actors impersonators, morgan freeman, clint eastwood, christopher walken
jurov: sexysaffron can do it, complete with video
pete_dushenski: video doesn't do much here
mircea_popescu: you ever heard sesame or whats her name phf ?
mircea_popescu: and if you think i'm paying for some non b-a outlet to have morgan freeman read shit out loud you're off your rocker.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, the old derp's on the index list for supporting libertard notions.
mircea_popescu: d'oh. anyone thinks they're an actor and said anything that can vaguely be interpreted in the direction of supporting libertard policy, they're gonna wish they said they support child fucking with farm implements instead.
mircea_popescu: better for their career.
pete_dushenski: so much for james cameron directing the next b-a flick
pete_dushenski: tarantino ftw
mircea_popescu: tarantino all the way.
phf: sesame?
pete_dushenski: you see that his next flick is 70mm ultra pano ?
pete_dushenski: !s hateful eight
assbot: 2 results for 'hateful eight' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hateful+eight
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1Sqr3h7 )
pete_dushenski: "“We’ve been accused of actually cornering the market on 70-millimeter projectors,” Mr. Cutler said. “It’s probably pretty true. There probably aren’t too many out there that we didn’t find.” Most of them were destroyed, he added, during the conversion to digital projection."
pete_dushenski: "“The Hateful Eight” is not just any 70-millimeter movie: It is only the 10th feature to make full use of shooting in Ultra Panavision, an extra-wide format, but it will actually have the technology’s largest opening in terms of screen numbers."
pete_dushenski to go pick up saddam from mechanic then to dinner. later !
hdbuck: US equity *futures*
mircea_popescu: hey, lower than ethereum even.
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mircea_popescu: phf my bad, saffron
jurov giggles every time mp tries to remember her name
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ben_vulpes: sassafras
ben_vulpes: davout: you still alive?
ben_vulpes: yo so was it $epithet in paris or what?
trinque: ben_vulpes: news is reporting people at least claiming ISIS affiliation in the thing, not that I count that as hard confirmation
trinque: flatten that part of syria and iraq yet? guess not
trinque: and so I suppose the west truly does not want to live, and so be it
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: could you be persuaded to represent qntra for a voice interview ? << The onus is on them to do the text to voice thing.
ben_vulpes: "how do we keep terrorists out?"
ben_vulpes: "welcome refugees from syria with open arms!"
mats: nobody has the stomach to detonate a nuke over al-raqqah
mats: its already over, man
trinque: yep, I know they don't.
BingoBoingo: The latest person out at Mizzou is Coach Gary Pinkel. https://archive.is/RTE27
assbot: Updated: Gary Pinkel announces retirement due to health reasons – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pslh0S )
mats: actually, maybe putin does
mats: that would set isis back a few years
BingoBoingo: Round a hundred thought dead in the theater
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asciilifeform: 'Expertise in any combination of the following cryptographic primitives is desired: private information retrieval, fully homomorphic encryption, pairing- or lattice-based cryptography, multi-party computation, and distributed key management architectures.' -- from a nazi help-wanted ad
deedbot-: [cascadian hacker] Don't say tragedy of the commons. Don't say it! - http://cascadianhacker.com/blog/2015/11/13_dont-say-tragedy-of-the-commons-dont-say-it.html
hdbuck: realityshitshow, the new ISIS MO. and the media loves it.
trinque: ben_vulpes: can't even solve the corner pallet crisis; west is toast!
assbot: Rolls-Royce Reveals Entrenched Failings to Stunned Investors - gCaptain ... ( http://bit.ly/1Psma9C )
asciilifeform: no mention of dip in airline motor demand, curious.
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ben_vulpes: it's subtle but i thought i saw it
mircea_popescu: <mats> nobody has the stomach to detonate a nuke over al-raqqah << it wouldn't take one. it would take about fifty or so to properly glass the place.
ben_vulpes: "The newcomer cut full-year forecasts, halted a share buyback and said 2016 numbers would be hurt by slowing sales of engines for smaller aircraft and ships that serve the beleaguered offshore oil industry."
mircea_popescu: nobody EVEN HAS fifty functional ones.
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with firebombing?
mircea_popescu: they grow back.
mircea_popescu: russians tried it to death\
mircea_popescu: can't say they don't have the oil for it.
ben_vulpes: "Earnings will now be hurt by “sharply lower” sales of corporate jets powered by Rolls engines, together with a more sluggish maintenance market both for those aircraft and bigger regional jets"
asciilifeform wonders about ground-penetrating nukez + natural petro deposits
ben_vulpes shudders
mircea_popescu: needs air to burn.
trinque: that every "great power" is perturbed by this religion and yet it remains speaks endlessly to the weakness of "great power"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the air comes back after the initial vacuum funnel
mircea_popescu: trinque you realise religion has nothing to do with it.
mircea_popescu: you can't run a country on women only.
trinque: this group of people who have functioning hierarchy and men, yes
mircea_popescu: so then... of fucking course bipedal lifeforms with both eyes will own lame blind asses ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "fully homomorphic encryption" supposed to be.
mircea_popescu: holy shit even the words of this doomed civilisation are aspirational now. "it means nothing, but what does it aspire to mean ?"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the problem being that rolls was one of the precious few spots where britain didn't suck.
mircea_popescu: now they're going to scrap high performance engine production also, so next time they want to invade argentina they rent cessnas in peru or some shit.
BingoBoingo: rent low performance engines in Detroit
mircea_popescu eagerly awaits the photoproof of the new nigger-rigged british airforce.
mircea_popescu: per ardua ad astra!11
BingoBoingo: Pretty sure Britain can't afford that rigging. Spent everything in F-35 pre-orders
trinque: the linksys router of the skies
trinque: fuck it all, better learn mandarin or russian. there's nothing left in the european sack
BingoBoingo: No, linksys delivered eventually. Even fucking Duke Nukem forever got delivered
trinque: I recall that some "selling point" of the thing was its role as a network node other devices would use
trinque: but too true, why insult linksys so
BingoBoingo: Also as far as places to go, consider learning penguin
mircea_popescu: no habla espanol trinque ?
trinque: un poco
mircea_popescu: last time there was a war the argentines came out of it better than literally everyone else.
mircea_popescu: how the god forsaken shithole even got to be a country in the first place, all that war profiteering.
mircea_popescu: reminds me of romania to a rather large degree, if off by a century or two.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so what'd you have preferred, a notice that "I am watching this spot - if you dump trash here I will shoot you. Here's a pic of the rifle."
mircea_popescu: https://d19hkjflplfhx2.cloudfront.net/media/about-us/group.jpg << build a more diverse workforce, women still cluster together.
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ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that is the only solution, right?
ben_vulpes: "pick another corner, dumbshits, this one is mine."
ben_vulpes doesn't know how this nugget failed to make it into the turd
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 01:02:07; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "fully homomorphic encryption" supposed to be.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned.
asciilifeform: !s homomorphic
assbot: 32 results for 'homomorphic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=homomorphic
mircea_popescu: i can't decide which side of retarded this falls on.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except no such thing actually exists, so what "basics" and "primitives" ? suppose i hire solid state engineers, and want them to know the basics such as cold fusion ?
asciilifeform: it's a kind of cryptographolysenkoism aha
mircea_popescu: these ain't the basics of no physics i ever heard of.
asciilifeform: thing is (again see logz) there are gibblets of usable mechanism scattered throughout the field
asciilifeform: (e.g., 'millinaire protocol' etc)
asciilifeform: *millionaire
mircea_popescu: sure, sure. how much do you want to bet that won't be on the test.
asciilifeform did not go and take 'the test'
asciilifeform: (yet...)
mircea_popescu: anyone have any experience with internet.bs ?
asciilifeform: looks like a possible swap-in for namecheap!
asciilifeform writes down
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 01:24:17; mircea_popescu: https://d19hkjflplfhx2.cloudfront.net/media/about-us/group.jpg << build a more diverse workforce, women still cluster together.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the derp[s working for name.com
asciilifeform: incl. the dog..
asciilifeform: and the cardboard man
asciilifeform: (right-hand)
ben_vulpes: "socialist millionaires protocol", too lol
asciilifeform: !s paillier
assbot: 15 results for 'paillier' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=paillier
asciilifeform: ^ prolly best-known 'homomorphic' thing
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 04:12:57; asciilifeform: incidentally, your unixlike box almost certainly has 'tsort' utility
asciilifeform brushes up on homomorphic idiocy for his inevitable tour in шарашка
mircea_popescu: namecheap "upgraded" it's website. and it's been a nightmare ever since. now i can't even get a list of my fucking domains the normal way. but lo and behold... they have an "export as csv".
ben_vulpes: so asciilifeform i notice that none of the "flow" implementations to date have matching output, and the "press" all depend to one degree or another on the inputs to the relevant "tsort" implementations, they're not guaranteed to "press" the same trees. non determinism at this endpoint gives me the willies, is that stupid?
mircea_popescu: i click it and... nothing happens. of course.
mircea_popescu: i review source and.... wait for it....
mircea_popescu: <div class="dropdown-content dropdown-list"> <ul> <li><a ng-click="FeatureNotEmplemented();" href="#">CSV</a></li> <li><a ng-click="FeatureNotEmplemented();" href="#">PDF</a></li>
ben_vulpes: ANGULAR
mircea_popescu: emplement my fucking fist up your fucking stupid ass.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's a js app not a web page
mircea_popescu: o it is.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: all correct implementations will press the same tree ~given the same leaf~ !!
asciilifeform: as in, the leaf whereby it is pressed.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes is "FeatureNotEmplemented();" a magic word in jstardation ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: stare into the void
ben_vulpes: no man its so much worse
mircea_popescu: i just want all these stupid faggots to be raped, basically.
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean, incidentally. i mean, to death.
ben_vulpes: yes yes
mircea_popescu: fucking bullshit. i can almost fucking hear it, buncha tards thinking they're "corporate officers" sitting around a cheap glue-and-woodchips table finished in plastic going "hey bill... i think we're getting a great deal on this website outsourcing stuff."
asciilifeform: and... they are
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the press algo must then press all same-tree-level leaves for the given leaf, correct?
mircea_popescu: yeah, im sure they are. meanwhile i'm buying a baseball bat and separately a rusty nail.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wake me up when.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes do you know how one unwinds this retarded bullshit into actual urls ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you don't. there are no urls, there's a javascript application that stands on the dom.
mircea_popescu: they reimplemented cgi in javascript ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is like asking how to reconnect the buttons at an old derelict petrol station
asciilifeform: there is not, likely, a useful thing to be gained
mircea_popescu: so what, i'm to buy an ipad to get access to my domains because namecheap went full retard ?
asciilifeform: last i used it - it worked...
mircea_popescu: the dumbass cgi-in-javascript thing still gets data somewhere.
ben_vulpes is trying to understand how this is cgi
mircea_popescu: " a javascript application that stands on the dom." makes no sense to me.
ben_vulpes: cgi is still request loop stuff, right?
ben_vulpes: "dynamically generated pages" but generated in response to a specific HTTP request.
mircea_popescu: well yes ?
mircea_popescu: what, they have a special non-http server ?
ben_vulpes: okay well a js application contains the state of user interaction with the "app". when it *needs* to talk to the server, it makes api calls for data and then renders that or does calculations or whatever might need to be done.
ben_vulpes: ugh why do i know this
asciilifeform puts on gas mask
mircea_popescu: but javascript is still run in the browser, right ?
ben_vulpes: yeah...
mircea_popescu: and the server itself is still running http
mircea_popescu: so what bs is this, "no urls"
mircea_popescu: OF CUFING FORSE there's urls.
ben_vulpes: okay, simpler
ben_vulpes: yes yes yes
ben_vulpes: very little html is sent over the wire
ben_vulpes: server sez: "here's the js to run, here are the deps, here's the css, go to town"
mircea_popescu: right, but in general, how do i just hook into the datastream of this bs.
mircea_popescu: how do i normallty access "the deps" ?
ben_vulpes: other script tags
mircea_popescu: that's what i imagine i want, i expect a serialized base64
ben_vulpes: that you don't load either
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: likely thing is that the box returns 'json' turds (javascript lists populated with crud)
mircea_popescu: look, how do i cut through the chase, so that i don't actually use the js.
ben_vulpes: "the deps" are the rest of the js and html that the thing needs to run
ben_vulpes: read the source, or run the thing and monitor its api calls.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes either you're proposing it guesses the data, or else it gets the data from the server.
mircea_popescu: uh. isn't there a standard way you people do this ? like, hm, how should i explain myself.
ben_vulpes: go find the api client js file and read through that. if you're lucky enough they factored the js so cleanly that you can find the api endpoints.
mircea_popescu: in all my interactions with idiocy to date (and this is very banal and ancient idiocy, nothing novel here) there's always a spigot the actual tech people use.
mircea_popescu: that's built in a "standards" model or whatever. "it's called TruDataAccess" or whathaveyou
mircea_popescu: <link href="/assets/css/main?v=phbjMcurPxAMALWheG3gR3Pt1PkGb2rDzmtxXbmwvgE1" rel="stylesheet"/>
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes and?
mircea_popescu: check that stupid shit out, they gotta have a ?v=garbage approach to css because reddit does it and so they gotta be professional.
mircea_popescu: as if there's really any point to it.
ben_vulpes: oh i'm sure it's crucial to the functioning of some AWESOME tool
ben_vulpes: like versioned css or something insane
mircea_popescu: yeah, tool is right.
mircea_popescu: a dumbass dude with no prospects. aka tool.
asciilifeform wonders if mircea_popescu realizes that the design space of http slides inevitably into this kind of insanity
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform I DID NOT ASK FOR THIS
mircea_popescu: any of it.
asciilifeform: me neither...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you know what he means by "spigot the actual tech people use"?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: prolly something like the pure-http version of 'gmail'
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how do you debug this ?
asciilifeform: (does that still work..?)
ben_vulpes: terminal into production?
trinque ears perk up for browser lamentations
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aaaah, other html pages showing the same data
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'firebug' + 'wireshark'
mircea_popescu: suppose the "data isn';t right". you know you load it somehow.
mircea_popescu: and it's not gonna be fucking wireshark.
asciilifeform: it is always, in the end, wireshark
asciilifeform: (or tcpdump+perl)
ben_vulpes: aheuahuea
mircea_popescu: or hwatevers, .js
asciilifeform: '#BREAKING Paris attacks not just on people of France but on 'all humanity': Obama'
asciilifeform: l0ltr0n1c
mircea_popescu: the nation of humanity ?
asciilifeform: sumthinglikethat
mircea_popescu: i am starting to miss Mr Nucular.
asciilifeform: ask ~him~ not me.
mircea_popescu: at least that was a harmless idiot.
asciilifeform: nyooooookyooooolar!!
mircea_popescu: <script src="/assets/js/main?v=jads0k1x6UN013WQFtBAc6UH0GHeRLPBfF-91kq4R8w1"></script>
mircea_popescu: <script src="/assets/js/xregexp?v=40sPTcMHxMpVEBfrk9PvYkihDvG0lcAp_jescN71YMo1"></script>
mircea_popescu: <script src="/assets/js/angular?v=Kq6-8uYn0o--kc3XolG8nQqh5qaZM-QoJMXpnK1goLk1"></script>
mircea_popescu: js/xregexp
mircea_popescu: gaze upon it and weep.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i haven't seen many things that i could reproduce in the production environment that i couldn't reproduce in my local environments, but even for weirdness showing up in production that needs debugging there, i run the application in the browser to get it to the bad state, attach to the code running on the server (however that works for $turdlang), and inspect what the browser is doing and how the server responds.
ben_vulpes: if it's weird data in the actual database, i fire up a goddamn sql terminal.
ben_vulpes: trinque: help
ben_vulpes: trinque: send help
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's trying to reason about the browser shitstack
mircea_popescu: im going to break into their fucking servers just to read my lousy domain list ?
ben_vulpes: saas boss, they show you what they want to show you
trinque gives ben_vulpes a can of gas and a strike-anywhere match
ben_vulpes: maybe there's an endpoint you can curl to get your domain list
ben_vulpes: maybe that data comes over the wire on app boot up
ben_vulpes: WHO KNOWS
mircea_popescu: it's beyong me how the business people can be this abandonware level stupid.
mircea_popescu: seriously, let the dumbass tech kids get away with this stupid shit ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is trivially explained by 'fat cheques keep coming, while the rusty nail bat is always tomorrow and tomorrow'
mircea_popescu: i'd flail them alive, stuff the skin and flail it again.
asciilifeform: plz wake me up when selling tickets to this
ben_vulpes: so a twist
asciilifeform: i wanna watch. srsly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude get the fuck off, you know what % of us corps fail ? you know average lifespan ?
mircea_popescu: what "keep coming".
ben_vulpes: to get "nice interactions" on mobile devices, your options are to write objective c, java, or js.
mircea_popescu: they don't fucking keep coming.
asciilifeform: the corpses fail, the corpses (ah) move to the next one.
asciilifeform: they come.
mircea_popescu: yeah, right.
mircea_popescu: dream on, firefly.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile you're looking for a meal ticket because the checks came.
asciilifeform: aha same basic idea
mircea_popescu: so they came right ?
mircea_popescu: like they come for mfa/spammers.
ben_vulpes spots a fat tailed distribution
mircea_popescu: jam tomorrow, nail today, while we pretend jam today nail tomorrow.
asciilifeform: the folks discussed earlier don't sit and look for tickets. they get golden parachuted and immediately hop to next gig
asciilifeform: before corpse is even cold.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes how about ban anyone who ever connects from a mobile item.
mircea_popescu: "fuck you, go play angry birds. this is for real people."
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's what's going on!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you only think this because you have a weird sort of delusion going where everyone else has it rosy.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and we haven't even gotten to the maintenance cost of this shit.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my weird delusion is 100% based on my to-date contact with physical reality (tm) (r)
trinque: that's a feature bub
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lost business + maintenance = "technology of progress is the future"
ben_vulpes: which as trinque says is a feature of the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as interpreted by you!
asciilifeform: by who else.
ben_vulpes: and now we know why startups can justify a staff of 150 for a web site, as if it were ever in question.
mircea_popescu: the interpreter!
mircea_popescu: i took over a whole fucking province with less than 150 people./
mircea_popescu: if you need 150 people you're fucking wrong.
asciilifeform: the one interesting observation here is that this mostly-not-works thing is the essential characteristic of 'job-creating' tech
asciilifeform: if it worked, there'd be approx. 0 'help-wanted'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's what they said.
ben_vulpes: modern ui tech is horrendously time intensive to make do things.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: right! why does github need so many people around?
ben_vulpes: or heroku?
ben_vulpes: or like pick i don't know any other web tech tar baby
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: because ol' paul g. has many nephews ?
mircea_popescu: anyway. i suppose what i do here is ima log in from a play box sometime, and push all the domains away in one session.
asciilifeform: ... and the nephews have nephews ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if only. the fucktard's going to die alone like the raymond nobody loves.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yeah
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm personally astonished you held out this long
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: playbox << that's kinda what i did.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'm rich. money insulates people. TO THEIR DETRIMENT.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you ditched namecheap ?
asciilifeform: still there.
asciilifeform: but used a 'play box'
asciilifeform: that ran js etc
asciilifeform: 'nosuchlabs' is there, that is
ben_vulpes: oh man this is a riot
ben_vulpes: the day mircea_popescu ran javascript
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm told there are times when even rms runs js !
asciilifeform: betcha he puts on a particular robe of mourning for the occasion
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes afaik opera runs a bunch of js.
mircea_popescu: heck, if you recall trilema has a js based selectofunction.
mircea_popescu: just, this fucktardation is beyond the pale. it has TO WORK.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck ok'd this is still a mystery my head can't wrap around.
ben_vulpes: they cater to consumers. it's fine for them.
ben_vulpes: ipxcore i don't think has any js.
asciilifeform: vendor prolly tested for ie6 and called it a day
mircea_popescu: o look! i get a 12 month free extension on transferred domains.
ben_vulpes: lovely backyard vps provider that does domains too.
trinque: can we kill dns and http yet?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
asciilifeform: trinque: dns was never alive
asciilifeform: so you can't kill it
trinque: silver bullet then
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome .
asciilifeform behind the idiot www stack timez
asciilifeform will next see it in hell, in a cauldron
mircea_popescu: omfg but they have all the dnssec theatre ! !!! they;'re so credible, with their "And then we boot the single failure point laptop from ~~~a dvd~~~" bullshit.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: the people buying domains like slug.dance
trinque: autoupdates too, so you're always safe
ben_vulpes: dns, pro, lol
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes may i remind you of the "cryptsy couldn't move a bitcoin because doesn't have a bitcoin" ?
ben_vulpes: dns is some dum shit
mircea_popescu: the people "buying" domains like slug.dance are 98743985743987 people who ARE GOING TO, and 3 idiots that do.
ben_vulpes: whatever, pennies for paupers and britni
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do you expect from a usg ministry. of course they have torchlight parades and weird masonic ritual
asciilifeform: that sums to nil
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-11-2015#1323561 << afaik this is not so. derps buy domains like there's no tomorrow, for no apparent reason
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2015 02:35:56; mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes dude get out, what consumers. this is a pro biz if there ever was one.
mircea_popescu: "Sergey Kabarukhin" << and they outsourced tech support to .ua
asciilifeform: e.g., domains with their name, etc
mircea_popescu: anyway, everyone that needs my domains : dig/write down ips, just in case.
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trinque: ^ and so on
mircea_popescu: trinque i dun own that one iirc.
mircea_popescu: well, some of them.
mircea_popescu: i now see the wisdom of your deed.
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asciilifeform: i'm actually kind surprised that none of these dns records suddenly decided to point to dhs 'confiscated!1111' page, quite yet
trinque: apparently all these types in the west welcome conquest with an open ass
trinque: so why would they
asciilifeform: trinque: i still don't see it.
asciilifeform: usg decided to burn eu, so it burns.
trinque: don't know, there were a lot of guys dressed up just like soldiers in the streets in france today
trinque: against 4 or whatever it was
trinque: the cutter cuts but is not a victor because the cutting is her decision
asciilifeform: oh fr is conquered
asciilifeform: ... by usg.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mod6 your auto reconnect a) doesn't auth b) leaks your ip
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ... in 1945.
kakobrekla: everyone leaks.
trinque: I fail to see how USG panopticon megastate can live any longer than the soviet megastate
trinque: has the same problems
asciilifeform: trinque: one had a ready devourer sitting by, waiting
asciilifeform: other - not.
trinque: so one infection, the other cancer?
asciilifeform: if it is not clear why the difference matters, consider,
asciilifeform: su had a ready warm place for all the competent folks to ~defect~ (DEFECT, not flee like rats and into pederasty, but fucking defect) to
asciilifeform: us - does not.
trinque: how does one get coherent action out of a thing where there is so much internal conflict?
asciilifeform: and since mircea_popescu is asleep, i must fill in for him and '... REAL MEN don't need warm places! they live on flesh of their enemies, and tree bark! in orbit!'
asciilifeform: trinque: how does maniac swing an axe!?
asciilifeform: consider how much conflict can be in his poor skull
asciilifeform: and he still can swing.
trinque: but we're discussing the logistics of massive empire
asciilifeform: ask albert speere
trinque: his thing was even shorter lived
asciilifeform: aha but illustrative.
asciilifeform: (incl. of 'empire with internal conflict but coherent action')
trinque: for a time
trinque: the effectiveness of the internal USG hierarchy is unknown to me
trinque: if such a thing can be described, and it's not some other messier topology
asciilifeform: effectiveness at what ?
asciilifeform: if it's at keeping mircea_popescu's rusty nail baseball bat at bay, i dare say it still works
trinque: accomplishing operational goals
asciilifeform: if it's at supplying clean water out of the tap - it sorta works
asciilifeform: if at preventing traffic jams - doesn't work, never has
trinque: but "works" is not necessarily to say what topology it is
trinque: perhaps pieces work
trinque: and perhaps someone breaks them off in whole chunks
trinque: attaches them to something else
trinque: or runs them headlong into each other
asciilifeform: all i can say is that usg is the only major economic actor remaining, or at least in so far as is visible from my dismal tower
asciilifeform: where i live.
asciilifeform: on mars, where mircea_popescu et al live, perhaps sanity prevails.
trinque: yep, I have only said what I do not know
asciilifeform: but here, my phone's been ringing off the hook for a week, and it almost always turned out to be usg folks
asciilifeform: (apparently not everyone got the memo that i'm a dalit)
trinque: admirers eh?
phf: election donations?
asciilifeform: inquiries re: work for hire
phf: oh god.
trinque: this does not surprise me
asciilifeform: trinque: not so many folks outside of usg need reversing.
phf: kaspersky lab!!1
trinque: furthermore if I were an ogre allergic to sane computing, I would eat a man describing it
asciilifeform: phf: i wouldn't hire a fella with u.s. passport if i were k.
asciilifeform: in fact, i will lose all respect for k. if i ever learn that they did so.
asciilifeform: trinque: none of the folks calling give a tinker's damn re: 'sane computing' or b-a reich or whatnot. they just want good ol'fashioned reversing.
asciilifeform: but i'd still rather not perish in salt mine.
asciilifeform: if can escape it.
trinque: I don't care what work I do on this side of things; the stars were already coming unglued from the sky by the time I was born.
trinque: but maybe asciilifeform is yet more alive
asciilifeform: well as it is i have a little bit of energy & time to work on things that you lot consider mildly interesting
asciilifeform: when i was in a salt mine - i did not
mats: huh? I know several kaspersky employees that are americans
asciilifeform: mats: and i remembered that i already lost respect, when i learned that they run shitblowz internally
asciilifeform: so i can't exactly lose it again
ben_vulpes: gotta love how quickly this guy goes from
ben_vulpes: "gonna starve"
mats: the number of shops that don't, I can count on one hand
ben_vulpes: "phone ringing off hook"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: didja miss the line in the logz where i said ~who~ calls.
ben_vulpes: the web is always there
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu's "street" for programmers
asciilifeform: the nagant is also there.
mats: and even those, hr types run it anyways, for word and excel and what not
asciilifeform: mats: you can't count them because no public face.
asciilifeform: pretty much everything with a public face and ANY 'hr types' is - by definition - salt mine.
asciilifeform: it is what it is.
phf: agile consultants, HR, "junior developers", etc.
asciilifeform: any of them.
mats: b-a doesn't run winders and is also accurately described as salt mine
asciilifeform: mats: where's the salt ?
phf: asciilifeform: have you had your hands on thinkpad 755cd?
mats: rolling off the cheeks of the slaves doncha know
asciilifeform: phf: the one with the folding keyboard ?
asciilifeform: i had one, it died eons ago
asciilifeform: or was that 705c.
asciilifeform: what's so great about 755cd ?
asciilifeform: 701c, it was.
asciilifeform: not related.
phf: it's a fanless 486, one of the first "multimedia" laptops, i.e. has cdrom and midi chip. seems like the kind of device to play sierra games on
phf: i've been trying to track it down for a while now, was curious if you've had a personal experience with one. i suspect there are very few actual units around, though ebay has a steady supply of replacement parts
assbot: Коллекция ретро ноутбуков и прочих РС - ThinkPad 755CD (Type 9545) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NvY0VH )
phf: (and there are stats somewhere on thinkwiki)
asciilifeform: wtf do you need the cdrom drive for !??
asciilifeform: dunno about you, i've never once touched the ~disks~ for any of these gamez.
phf: phantasmagoria? :)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in unrelated news, my pickled gerkins (industria argentina!) are "kosher". except no rabi is mentioned. << With gherkins Kosher is a style meaning "with Garlic"
phf: i think gabriel knight was also quite beefy..
asciilifeform: the voice version aha
asciilifeform never had any of the voice cd vers
asciilifeform: 'cause they didn't fit through a 28k modem, naturally
phf: i bought phantasmagoria of a stand in VDNKh back when the place was basically a giant electronics store, mixed with retrofuturist curio (holographic art exhibition! plasma globes!). it was a, heavily discounted, non-pirated version, but it took me forever to save up
phf: that 755cd has a completely weird feature, can remove screen back to use it with a transparency projector, http://img1.qq.com/digi/20060425/3566815.jpg
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform no way this works on ie6. vendor prolly tested it on latest chrome . << In the last year and a half this seems to become "OMG NEW BEST PRAKATIZ"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what domains ?
mircea_popescu: in other news, the new registrar does not actually handle .ws or .bz apparently. so i got a bunch of other domains for proxies, whatevs.
mircea_popescu: somebody really needs to write a better interwebs.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5714 @ 0.00053179 = 3.0386 BTC [+] {4}
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323169 << o, rly? are they finally going to mention an MPEx property? I met Stephanie Murphy (one of that show's hosts) at porcfest. She claimed to have never heard of MPEx, to which I replied that she must be a USG stooge.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 21:46:32; pete_dushenski: said podcast, "let's talk bitcoin" may also be interested in talking to BingoBoingo and asciilifeform regarding their respective projects.
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-11-2015#1323211 << lolz >> http://qntra.net/2014/10/caleb-chen-stephanie-murphy-brian-sovryn-assist-ponzi-scheme/ >> Stephanie Murphy of Let's Talk Bitcoin and her partner in crime Brian Sovryn provided the voice overs used as part of the marketing campaign.
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2015 22:25:14; pete_dushenski: i'm proposing that they come here and, if they so desire, have a voice actor play the role of interviewee for the program
assbot: Caleb Chen, Stephanie Murphy & Brian Sovryn Assist Ponzi Scheme | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1YaisTO )
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron people can be simply stupid/clueless/etc you know.
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