jurov: look what happened to jews or anyone when they touched sugar
mircea_popescu: either that or "chosen nation" emerges, butchers pharaoh.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 13:58:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326903 << until what ? what would you say is the stable solution here ?
jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326929 no stable solution in sight. still,there are always dreams like installation of chip to "fix" "disordered" reward neural pathways to keep the bezzle going
pete_dushenski: umped Novak Djokovic’s second serve in the 2015 U.S. Open Final—a savvy trick to disrupt someone’s flow, a seemingly harmless way to gain an edge. It’s what the great competitors do."
pete_dushenski: "It’s an alpha-male trick—put someone off-balance, flatter them and bust their chops at the same time. A few minutes later, he was grabbing control of the interview with measured responses, knowing that he didn’t have to perform without cameras or podcast equipment. And so he took his time. And it worked. I mean, how do you interrupt the most powerful man on earth? It felt like the way Federer repeatedly j
pete_dushenski: http://www.gq.com/story/president-obama-bill-simmons-interview-gq-men-of-the-year << for anyone who wants to test efficacy of their emergency gasmask.
BingoBoingo: Ah, I though pete_dushenski was going to make me feel really old there.
assbot: A retrospective on six years in the car blogosphere | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1WzHhWo )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/01/25/a-retrospective-on-six-years-in-the-car-blogosphere/ << started in '08
pete_dushenski: 22. but that was on old 'car blog' for the first 5-6 years.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller's quote. not mine.
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2015 17:19:54; thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: Contravex got Circle of Life stuck in my head.
mircea_popescu: you don;'t understand how the world works.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 15:35:04; mircea_popescu: and then it will be 200, and then 100, and then you simply won't be able to get a container there. at all.
mircea_popescu: or in the words of the old guard sicilians, "sell the dope to the niggers, they're animals anyway"
mircea_popescu: specifically, that there are two kids of people : the addicts, who aren't people, and the actual people.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 13:06:00; jurov: adlai it's the addiction that enables accumulation of capital and its use in business
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326916 << the hope is that this point is overstated.
mircea_popescu: let the logs reflect.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform english words don'\t denote anymore. they aspire.
asciilifeform: and the 0days are typically worth far more than whatever crapola is being stolen at any given time
asciilifeform: hey they're burglars, not soldiers
mircea_popescu: the difference being that nsa has nothing worth doing.
mircea_popescu: herp. nsa can't hire either.
mircea_popescu: id-level computer operators and turn them into what they call "cyberwarriors." It's not that they're skilled hackers, it's that the procedures do the work for them."
mircea_popescu: "This cost-benefit analysis doesn't end at successful exploitation. According to Snowden, the TAOthats Tailored Access Operationsoperators running the FOXACID system have a detailed flowchart, with tons of rules about when to stop. If something doesn't work, stop. If they detect a PSP, a personal security product, stop. If anything goes weird, stop. This is how the NSA avoids detection, and also how it takes m
asciilifeform: (if the names are nonsensical, complain to hitler, not me)
asciilifeform: was the official usg/leaked term for their db of browser exploits and automated sprayer for same
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they have this obsession with 'logging ips'
mircea_popescu: who and why the fuck would steal a switch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: most plausible, from the story thus far, is that the switch got yanked
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, whatg, someone is good enough to make it appear continuous while at the same time inept enough to give 4 days' worth of gestapo click tone ?
kakobrekla: thats just sour milk, which is great, but for kefir you need them grains.
mircea_popescu has accidentally kefir, throuygh leaving the milk out overnight. it turned, was quite good.
pete_dushenski: government denied 'rights' in the end. raw milk cannot be taken off of farm it was produced
pete_dushenski: some german priestish dude defending the 'rights' of some moo-eyed folks who at the time i took for unrepentant hippies
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: same here, save milk, for which the raw unpasteurised variety is de facto illegal here
asciilifeform: ^ this is sop and it is how they typically bust 1,001 'tor onion' boxes after popping ~one~
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, i could confirm the story that there've been a bunch of stolen servers all through ukr / poland / baltics, "opperation
asciilifeform: l0l looks like mr plug puller from phuctor finally found his way there
mircea_popescu: ok so. the story, after what was it, 4 days downtime, once the dude finally came back, is, and i quote, "ok I fixed it. give it about 20 minutes". whereupon at my inquiry trhat what was wrong wit hit ?! the response came that "it was turned off for some reason".
pete_dushenski: the joys of 'unregulated' markets
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 15:24:00; asciilifeform: for some reason i am reminded of 'farmer's market' sc4mz0rz who load up on monsanto garbage at the big box shop and then resell 'organic tomatoez!!111' to chumpers
asciilifeform: punkman: aha, i had the doug lenat scans OCR'd on some weird proprietary shitware
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 14:54:55; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326906 no, no, allow me to give you a grandiose anecdote to go with that! so, mp spends 6-700 euro to get new servers at internoc24.com which is supposedly the flagship of the entire "offshore hosting" "industry". in exchange for which payment, the following conversation ensues : http://dpaste.com/1HP9QY2
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo and understand, we're not even talking "server" aka 10 bux a month. or "cheap vps". or even dedicated. we're talking guy who walks in, orders 3 boxes, pays cash. and there they sit babbling. << I know seriously what the fuck is these people's allergy to money
mircea_popescu: in a sec ima recount the story of this
pete_dushenski: 'The seat is only suitable for children greater than 37 inches tall, weighing between 35 and 77 pounds'
mircea_popescu: in other news, trilema is back on, believe it or not.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and understand, we're not even talking "server" aka 10 bux a month. or "cheap vps". or even dedicated. we're talking guy who walks in, orders 3 boxes, pays cash. and there they sit babbling.
pete_dushenski: "officer, those bad people put CHILDREN in their car's TRUNK!"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so now tell me a little more about ddos and basic bojums and whatnot. << Fuck there isn't even a business of datacenter
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'do not believe those who say 'all the world is shit.' for there also exists piss.' -- my grandfather
mircea_popescu: what the fuck isn't a fucking gag.
mircea_popescu: in other scientistic news, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/health/quarter-of-men-believe-they-have-man-periods/
asciilifeform: punkman: i bust my gut from the lulz re: how when cn deals with its vermin there is neverending whine re: 'cruel oppressive dictatorial bootz!11111'
mircea_popescu: believe it or not there still is some west tecvh they've not fully disassembled yet.
mircea_popescu: and then it will be 200, and then 100, and then you simply won't be able to get a container there. at all.
mircea_popescu: historical necessities, brother.
mircea_popescu: what, you think the redskins got exterminated because people hated niggers ?
asciilifeform: and closed-form solutions are scarce in our universe, i hear they live in another one where platonic triangles fuck platonic circles
mircea_popescu: the very thing of being a merchant is, that you enter into deals.
asciilifeform: meatwotty enough and you're a peasant working the soil
asciilifeform: aha, the good old meatwot problem
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 14:59:18; mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> or, if you prefer the alternative formulation, http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-09.log.html#t04:28:25
mircea_popescu: this is very good, patrimonially. the drawback however is, it's very bad, sartorially.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla do you own the building you live in ?
kakobrekla: its like having money in the bank? is it your bank? no? its not your money.
asciilifeform: they weren't nuke-proof, no. but they ~were~ 'oops, i'm an orc and forgot to pay the bills at the place i secretly resell you'-proof.
asciilifeform: unlike a hydro plant, a dc is this thing that, at its practical minimum, costs what maybe 2 or 3 passenger buses do. serious corps run their own. most of my past employers had their critical infrastructure in some variant of own, non-leveraged in-house dc
mircea_popescu: whether they bought their own box and colocated it, or rented a precolocated one from dc is a very fine point.
mircea_popescu: punkman in practical terms ownership of capital goods is very messy. you think gm owns the equipment in gm plant ? as what, outright ? mno.
asciilifeform: for some reason i am reminded of 'farmer's market' sc4mz0rz who load up on monsanto garbage at the big box shop and then resell 'organic tomatoez!!111' to chumpers
mircea_popescu: no but seriously, this is the job, what.
asciilifeform: 'only the ancients could build temples, all we know how to do is take shits in'em'
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why this would be a discovery or anythning. this is the business.
asciilifeform: 'They just resell servers from various other datacenters but appear as if they have their own hardware' << this may well be true. very common scamatron, arse-mouth system.
mircea_popescu: is that i actually make money with these stupid shits.
mircea_popescu: the despicable, miserable, filthy truth in here
punkman: let's see if they ask you take log down
punkman: "We dont receive any answer so we have temp. shutdown the VPS. The VPS would be unblocked after the wrong Review is deleted."
asciilifeform: punkman: just as a mortgaged house - sure. but then all the victim gets is just another debt collector after him
punkman: can they seize leased car?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: many, but the car is typically a museum piece
mircea_popescu: their budget is < 500 bucks, which barely buys a bike.
asciilifeform: the linked article mentioned cops searching pockets and taking as little as 100 usd. and this was meant to provoke outrage, but typical reader quite likely went 'what kind of monster walks around with 100 bill'
punkman: the car
asciilifeform: not entirely off subj, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326848 >> i've begun to suspect that most u.s. folk who know about the police looting are ~in favour~. thinkaboutit: they have no assets to steal. ergo 'those bloody kulaks deserve'.
mircea_popescu: and so now you have the whole planet poisoned.
mircea_popescu: exactly. so what happens next ? a) they show up for work and b) the only work they can do is star in movies, where unfortunate thirld worlders suffer the horrible fate of having their ancestral knowledge passed down at great expense that "white man good, you scum" married to the fact that deep down in his entrails he feels like this is a great thing!
asciilifeform: 'Some data centers in Ukraine had a raid this week and we dont receive the information in time to set the offers out of stock.' << any idea if this is true ?
asciilifeform: the 'unionize out of class' thing is horrifyingly real. in usa we have a custom of 'grade on a curve'
asciilifeform: prolongs the agony
mircea_popescu: soon enough they unionize themselves out of class, then they show up for jobs and "force" the "evil capitalist" to you know, hire them to randi zuckerberg all over the office.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326968 << we have this pestilence. in the maths dept of $uni, there is a gigantic wall of leaflets for 'tutoring' flyers, and half of all the phd candidate folks pay their rent this way: helping victims of usa 'schooling' fail more slowly
mircea_popescu: it makes the world a shittier place.
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. the herd has won through the age old tactic of "we'll just stick together". because you thought that unions and "collective acton" was good.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> or, if you prefer the alternative formulation, http://logs.minigame.bz/2015-11-09.log.html#t04:28:25
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> save isis the trouble.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> DianaComan have you met any of these brave young fellows populating reading ?
mircea_popescu: <lobbesbot> Title: Discover the University of Reading - study, live and socialise at one of the top 1% universities in the world University of Reading (at www.reading.ac.uk)
assbot: Discover the University of Reading - study, live and socialise at one of the top 1% universities in the world – University of Reading ... ( http://bit.ly/1NdTNfl )
mircea_popescu: <DianaComan> incidentally mircea_popescu is that Eulora poster available in some format that can be easily printed? guess it can't hurt to get some copies pinned around the uni campus here
asciilifeform begins to grasp what mircea_popescu was trying to hammer into his thick head the other day.
mircea_popescu: so they just hire the scum, and hope and pray. and hey, if the customers are displeased what ever the fuck, it's "best business practices", ie, "all the other shops intown are hiring from the same group of perambulating monkeys. you want these shoes or not ?"
mircea_popescu: the simple point of fact is that the kids are idiots. not some of them. all of them. the class arrives already thrown, and nobody can be arsed to put their foot down/
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 11:05:17; jurov: i more deeply comprehended why mircea disdains "progress",it's eloquently explained there
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326906 no, no, allow me to give you a grandiose anecdote to go with that! so, mp spends 6-700 euro to get new servers at internoc24.com which is supposedly the flagship of the entire "offshore hosting" "industry". in exchange for which payment, the following conversation ensues : http://dpaste.com/1HP9QY2
adlai: if satoshi cuts down an entire forest to print out leaflets, but nobody reads the whitepaper, did he still make sound money?
mircea_popescu: even if you're not a fan of the foundation of rome/end of thebes mythology, even if you don't particularly enjoy the jewish sodomah/gomorrah stories, what do you think would be the stable solution here ?
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 11:02:11; jurov: the civilization will just get addicted to more and more stuff
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1326903 << until what ? what would you say is the stable solution here ?
mircea_popescu: how do i do these things.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 10:55:29; jurov: and not diabetes, but psychical disorders and other problems are correlated with refined sugar/white flour/white rice intake
kakobrekla: i have been using xylitol instead of the usual sugars lately and i am still kicking
jurov: societies where wars are fought on honor instead of satisfying the cravings don't need it, also they scarcely need to manage "delayed consumption" so much
jurov: adlai it's the addiction that enables accumulation of capital and its use in business
adlai: i'm not sure the thing being fueled here is capitalism. i want to say consumerism, but it seems more towards consumptionism, packaged and sold to the consumer as consumerism
jurov: i more deeply comprehended why mircea disdains "progress",it's eloquently explained there
jurov: and then invent expensive 'solutions' to side effects
adlai: too much money, too much sucrose... so we blaze across the petri dish, gobbling up agar until we smack into plastic
jurov: the civilization will just get addicted to more and more stuff
jurov: it also got me sceptic about other addictives, like easy credit... we can avoid it individually, mirea can even have his hangings... but barring planetary catastrophe
adlai: it's a rather inevitable progression, the only sure way to avoid it is to learn from those who didn't
jurov: adlai read it. asians who ate brown rice were completely fine. until the "invention" of white rice
adlai: ~10kya. agriculture lets the greedy algorithm compound upon itself
jurov: and not diabetes, but psychical disorders and other problems are correlated with refined sugar/white flour/white rice intake
jurov: i enjoyed the tidbit about coca-cola being a criminal organization since 120 y ago (as decreed by US judge, it got largely ignored)
jurov: we know refined sugar and other white stuff is evil, but last night I was horrified to see how: http://www.explo.yt.s3.amazonaws.com/William-Dufty-Sugar-Blues.pdf
BingoBoingo: So qntra's down but there seems to be a law enforcement crackdown on the reddit clearnet markets. "btc is not the future anymore it's really becoming the only option." https://archive.is/Mcerz
mircea_popescu: must be great to inhabit reality-free world. as alf says, the commonplace, sane constraint of being economically +ev - isn't there.
BingoBoingo: Ah, that. I must have fucked up the copypasta
BingoBoingo: So Dr. Oz did a segment about the "dark web" today and an image like this was part of the imagery describing the dangerous stuff going on there: https://i.sli.mg/5mOHmZ.pngPNG Nothing about the drug trade, scams, hacking, killing for hire, etc. The real reason for the existence of the dark web is "bullying" and fat shaming."
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "
asciilifeform: the strange, imho, part, is that ~outside~ of these constraints - buy from catalogue, or else wait most of a year (i got the motherfucking lisp machine, yes) - can do pretty much whatever
asciilifeform: 'fill out the form'
asciilifeform: not sure if 'ideology' is the right word
asciilifeform: because... not in the catalogue !
asciilifeform: kinda funny usg story - 30k balance? no prob. but when i asked for 20kg of Pb brick for pedestal, so it wouldn't wander at 4th dec place when the lifts went up & down in the hallway - they never happened
asciilifeform: i had it installed to make the machine auto-calibrating (afaik to this day no such thing is offered by the original vendor, or anybody else. but no one wanted it.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: thing was as seen on left hand of the photo in this link - http://www.ebay.com/itm/METTLER-TOLEDO-BALANCE-SCALE-KIT-Tecan-Gravimetric-Calibration-QC-Analytical-Lab-/230957309812
asciilifeform: it wasn't a hermetic seal, but rather a kind of inverted glass beaker with very small hole for the robopipette
mircea_popescu: the cluj museum of geology's analytical balance, ftr, to be used with their 4.1 carat yellow diamond, is actually all mechanical. made in like, 1920.
mircea_popescu: well, seeing how they were supposed to deliver in 2014, the more likely scenario is that this was someone's future kickstarter.
asciilifeform: down to some nether space where elephants stand atop of giant turtles.
asciilifeform: which, in turn, was arrived at in much the same way
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the most likely scenario is that a monkey lifted the nums straight from a datasheet.
asciilifeform: rather than a particularly precisely-wound coil
mircea_popescu: this notwithstanding, i did spend SOME time in the lab
mircea_popescu: i admit to being a theoreitcal physicist.
asciilifeform: though this is not an abuse if the 45,000 is a measured qty while the 50 is a postulated one
mircea_popescu: who the fuck specifies one value to the decal and the other to three decimal points ?!
mircea_popescu: "Power consumption: @full duty cycle : 45,000 Watts (all on). " wtf do they use 40kw for loads of 50kgs max ?!
mircea_popescu: that's probably the most effectual anti-"seo" thing google came up with. leverage people's laziness, if it's easy for "expert" to claim success and for empoyer to "verify" it, everyone's happy.
mircea_popescu: there's some rock band and whatnot. i guess there's just about 0 overlap between search results by now.
mircea_popescu: yeah, i originally had suspension points before the interesting.
phf: these bigend wannabees got trolled by w.gibson
mircea_popescu: come join me past the emerald river, in that lovely field where the only fate worse than failure
phf: heh, guy spent paypal money to start http://osfund.co. two of the companies were trashed on that chem blog, ginkgo bioworks and emerald therapeutics.
phf: pete_dushenski, i haven't followed the whole scene since the time when i had to research the question for a project, but it was apparently acquired by paypal in 2013. hxxp://techcrunch.com/2013/09/26/paypal-acquires-payments-gateway-braintree-for-800m-in-cash/
kakobrekla: not really as they prolly have a coin counting machines.
mircea_popescu: that'll so totally show it to the irs. not only they get paid, they get to pleasantly waste more time doing it!
mircea_popescu is looking forward to the "help me pay my income tax with pennies!" kickstarter.
kakobrekla: trolling the established retardness
trinque: lenovo has destroyed the thinkpad line, mind, but if comparing to a toshiba, probably better
asciilifeform: shinohai: and the use of manufacturer's stock photos ought to make you wonder
shinohai: http://atlanta.craigslist.org/atl/syd/5321646890.html <<< can anyone tell me if these laptops are worth a shit, in their experience?
assbot: Make the Censors Watch 'Paint Drying' by Charlie Lyne — Kickstarter ... ( http://bit.ly/1SFqHmU )
kakobrekla: who said nothing good comes out of kickstarter https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/charlielyne/make-the-censors-watch-paint-drying?ref=video
mircea_popescu: for further lulz : https://archive.is/E1kAZ << this is the disposable email provider i just used.
mircea_popescu: that's nice, but i'm not looking for you to help me anything. if you figure this is what you want to do with your life, stick around, with the logs, build your rep, then go do it.
jurov: wao_ there were some strange incidents more worrying than ddos (unexplained shutdowns, simultaneous disk failures)
mircea_popescu: mno. im looking for someone who is in the wot, as a primary factor organising their existence, to start a proper hoster, at the colocation level.
assbot: Ben Carson’s campaign made a U.S. map and put a bunch of states in the wrong place - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1NEcX8q )
lobbes: heh: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/18/ben-carsons-campaign-made-a-u-s-map-and-put-a-bunch-of-states-in-the-wrong-place/
shinohai: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/11/after-raising-record-3-4m-on-kickstarter-uk-drone-startup-collapses/ <<< Yet another great fail.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> depends, but in general about 1mbps or thereabouts.
mircea_popescu: depends, but in general about 1mbps or thereabouts.
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mircea_popescu: in other news /me just paid a bill for 1.999921 btc.
ascii_field: these come with own reactor, or what
ascii_field: mircea_popescu wants the healthy and unusgified spirit of the orc but with 'human' work ethic
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:02:25; mircea_popescu: is that his brain has decided it will not live without the products of industry ; while his ass does not enjoy the delights of anal proximity ; while the two are insepoarable, respectively : his ass from his head, and industry from maggotry.
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 19:16:11; mircea_popescu: this is fundamental. if we, for whatever value of "we" you wish to choose, can not and do not transplant one on the other, we will have failed.
lobbes: "who the fuck knows" indeed
lobbes: this should be a reminder for me to do another backup on own my server data
mircea_popescu: anyway, for all i know dude went binge drinking sold the servers to pay strip club bill.
mircea_popescu: well, just the owner. the chicks still around being all weirded out by the novel situation.
BingoBoingo: And the "hosts" missing too?
mircea_popescu: lobbes "a whole cluster" means, the front server, the db server, the backup server, nameservers, the works.
lobbes: <mircea_popescu> i'm unpersuaded it has anything to do with any ddos << when I attempt to ping, I get the 'can't find host' message rather than just 100% packet loss
BingoBoingo: Given those really bad early DDoS attacks seems kinda like the upper limit for the duration of one of these things
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Next Thursday so Thanksgiving. Next club meeting after that is the Friday.
mircea_popescu: it only becomes "two drunks" once there's nothing else left to say.
mircea_popescu: you gotta raise the kids yourself, because everyone's parents have been a coupla dog vomits and there's no adults inhabiting the world.
mircea_popescu: iuf you recall, like the first mpex listing was a fucking hoster
mircea_popescu: maybe. certainly worth a shot, see how dumb they are.
mircea_popescu: besides the point anyway. datacenters in the us or its phriends are off the table anyway. you all may feel just fine about paying the usg, but i'm not.
mircea_popescu: i don't recall the name of his company.
mircea_popescu: it's in the fucking log.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: consider writing article re: the thing that ought to be done by the courageous in re: hosters ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno how to put it more plainly, nor does it seem likely the effort's not wasted.
mircea_popescu: let me give you a pro tip : pretty much all women i currently own were involved in a relationship when we met. two thirds of them were involved in a relationship with a dude who "can't X until Y".
mircea_popescu: this is the whole story.
mircea_popescu: this is fundamental. if we, for whatever value of "we" you wish to choose, can not and do not transplant one on the other, we will have failed.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: if you buy a boat and wanna start pulling own fiber across the sea, sign me up.
mircea_popescu: but whether it occurs natrually or not, IT MUST BE DONE
mircea_popescu: it is plain as day to me that there exists no natural occurence of "we'll just on our own power take this from there and this from here".
mircea_popescu: you also have the retarded kids, working outside of the west, but ALSO outside of the actual work ethic of the west.
mircea_popescu: it's that the market is very sharply divided : you have the actual professionals, part of an actually professional tradition. these are, without exception, white men living in the west. and consequently they suffer from the mental diseases incumbent on watching too much dead empire tv.
jurov: this means i'm not qualified, either
jurov: all i know such thing does not exist anymore. either you use cloudflare, or become cloudflare, or suffer.
ascii_field will leave the subject alone, to qualified sorcerers, e.g., jurov