phf: castle in the sky visions.
phf: seems like conversation goes back to tomb raiding for books thread. can go and write code according to hyperspec, or vhdl a lispmachine, or whatever, but from b-a perspective the symbolics world of professional men deliberately solving problems with their lisp repl does not exist outside of the log, is superseded by the log. ultimately it's pretty pointless to point at a handful of sources and specs and expect others to share your
mircea_popescu: exactly. sort-of like trying to achieve military results by "asking the troops".
asciilifeform: why would they
mircea_popescu: ironially, "programmers themselves" play exactly no part in all of this.
mircea_popescu: i can follow the logic.
mircea_popescu: now, js.1 is how it's sold to users ; but js.2 is why it's appealing to business. and for a long time - really, as long as rsm seemed to have teeth - this appeared to them (understandably) as a required pontoon bridge to have, jic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the thing with js is like so : it has two eigenstates. js.1 is "well, kinda useful to do some tasks browsewr side". as exemplified by say the trilema text select thing. way cheaper to do that client side than server side. js.2 however is "deploy code you can update yourself". ie, no need to ask people to update it for you.
mircea_popescu: btcdrak next we're going to follow what the solidcoin guy says ? who's next, atlas ? taaki ?
btcdrak: 3 months after release of XT, there 1 block out of 1000 mined.
btcdrak: fun fact: Mike claims there is no consensus for a softfork of BIP65, yet, a week after release of 0.11.2 which has the deploy code in it, 36% of the hashrate has upgraded to the softfork https://data.bitcoinity.org/bitcoin/block_version/5y?c=block_version&r=week&t=a
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asciilifeform: y'know, the folks who pop rsa, plant rf bugs in cpu masks, etc.
mircea_popescu: old jewish discovery - there can only be one.
mircea_popescu: it IS the meta-nsa
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ... << l0l, meta-google has the real people ? << Meta Google actually seems to exist
BingoBoingo: <trinque> aw come now, I go mad twice daily << Gotta up the duration and intensity. If you aren't spending at least a week in an insane state you aren't doing it right
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 22:18:34; mircea_popescu: let bezos headhunt them and die, sort of logic.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327681 << l0l, meta-google has the real people ?
asciilifeform: (but the result will likely resemble usg's aviation design bureaus circa 1970s)
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform, the objection is not to the "word problem" abstraction cast over the world. it's with the apparent expectation this does something to the world. that's all.
asciilifeform: now it ~is~ possible to engineer something while being at the same time concerned with where the parts to build $item will come from in the year 2115.
asciilifeform: going mad is great fun but tends to interfere with paying the bills
mircea_popescu: yea, this is the thing with psychic defenses : they are not optional, but necessary.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not personally (per own admission) engineer anything and has the luxury of forgoing the line.
mircea_popescu: in the immortal words of that short, brunette scion of the wealthy dreyfuss fambly (hey, almost like the rothschilds, ok ?) "Ohh.. right. Cause if we're dating, what everyone saw was just a beautiful moment between two lovers."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is necessary to draw this imaginary line, in order to engineer anything without going mad. sorta like the field lines of faraday.
mircea_popescu: the problem is not what you call it, but the bizarre notion that there is a switch somewhere.
asciilifeform: ... you can't hire folks to write sane, reasonable 'c' either
asciilifeform: but in re: ecology, i must not only agree with mircea_popescu, but go further still
asciilifeform: of whether a lone wolf like gabriel_laddel or yours truly can put a lisp system inside a black box and produce a working widget that solves $problem, just like ancestors could.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im speaking of the thing. what were you speaking of ?
asciilifeform: if mircea_popescu is speaking of the ~ecosystem~ (can you get people who will maintain the project? at what cost? where? will they be sane? etc) then everything he said makes sense 100%.
mircea_popescu: in truth and honestly, humanity has produced one single great idea since the beginning,
BingoBoingo: Also typical Vice.com reporting http://blogs.sciencemag.org/pipeline/archives/2015/11/18/antibiotics-not-as-easy-as-they-say#comment-263278
asciilifeform: trinque: if it were no longer physically possible to run the code, i would agree
mircea_popescu: trinque that's why i say "it's as if he reads his own text with a different part of the brain."
trinque: I'm reminded of the idea that whichever fighter jet is not just itself, but the vast complex which sustains it
mircea_popescu: but it's fucking insane to expect they work magic.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's nothing wrong with taking pictures, as a memory aid.
asciilifeform: if you want the motherfucking code to execute and return same outputs for same inputs - then yes!
asciilifeform: trinque: depends what means 'in the same manner.' if you, say, want to be ~employable in it like a 20yo chick was in 1985~ - then no
trinque: the standard existing for whatever value of existing doesn't put a symbolics next to my desk
trinque: I in point of fact cannot use common lisp in the same manner someone might've back whenever
mircea_popescu off to ammend the rule, 0 , 1, infitnity MINUS ONE, infinity.
mircea_popescu: oh i see, this is true for everthing other than.
asciilifeform: this is true for everything in the universe other than software. where a picture IS in effect a second, identical pile
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, if i lean on the pile just the right way, whether you took the picture or not, they will fall down.
mircea_popescu: so we go into this room, where there's all sorts of furniture.
mircea_popescu: let's take an imaginary walk together.
mircea_popescu: it's as if he reads his own text with a different part of the brain.
asciilifeform: as in EVERY MOTHERFUCKING LINE was ansi-compliant cl.
asciilifeform: other than this - total self-containment
mircea_popescu: because clearly this is a good thing, not like they'll now be more powerful than whatever force is "opressing" them into education.
asciilifeform: the last time i did serious work in cl, it was to run a set of laboratory machines. the only i/o i needed was rs-232.
mircea_popescu: they took a snapshot of the way educating the young worked, imagined that it's held in place by forces from mythology, and proceeded to "give kids a say"
mircea_popescu: it is also how idiot brits/everyone sunk the entire culture of the west after the war :
mircea_popescu: this is the substance of the misunderstanding. you imagine that if you take a picture of a pile of objects, you now have a SPECIAL pile of objects, that does other things.
mircea_popescu: once it becomes the c, your flimsy "federalist papers" won't protect you any more than yes, what trinque said.
asciilifeform: what's wrong with my pressure hose with which i wash off the 'users' like birdshit from my car ?
mircea_popescu: this is only the case for as long as nobody uses it.
mircea_popescu: for the i guess 6th time :
asciilifeform: but if you want i/o, other than console - you're stuck, aha.
asciilifeform has done this and intends to do in the future
asciilifeform: and can be used, with some effort, sans any of the attempts at 'improvement'
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 22:20:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327547 << if you look through the logs, i hit alf/others over the head about 3-4 times with the "you only perceive lisp as so because not yet popular".
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327682 << the thing about the two lisps having STANDARDS (commonlisp and scheme) is that the shit ~washes off~ - because the actual language is not open for amendment
asciilifeform: if you're speaking unsigned plaintext, you're speaking to hitler first and only then to the intended destination.
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:49:39; asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, the protocol has neither crypto nor authentication (and the former is meaningless without the latter) and so neither you nor i have the foggiest notion of what we ACTUALLY connect to. ever.
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phf: multilevel as in specs out from framebuffer up, rather then single slice, which is what x11 widget libraries are. clim is more like framebuffer+x11+xlib+qt+"a kind of application"
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:15:45; asciilifeform: for n00bz: it is an actual standard. as in, it will be possible to run code written in 1985 in 2085, should something like a computer still exist, if it adhered to the standard.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327547 << if you look through the logs, i hit alf/others over the head about 3-4 times with the "you only perceive lisp as so because not yet popular".
mircea_popescu: let bezos headhunt them and die, sort of logic.
mircea_popescu: i suspect the google hiring of turds a la hearn and a whole raft of others to be specifically intetional.
mircea_popescu: " and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders." << there's more than one ways to go about fucking over the competition.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327504 << what is this, the 70yo to the next generation ?
asciilifeform: generally 'multilevel' in software is kinda like the multiple layers of dodgy wallpaper in a communist flat
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:49:28; phf: punkman: it's really experimental technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared to spend large fraction of your time on improving and debugging the gui code itself.
asciilifeform: actually it is an artifact of the fact that a schoolboy implementing a 'simple lisp' ends up bringing long-solved problems (e.g., 'the funarg problem', 'lisp is interpreted ergo slow', etc) back from the grave
mircea_popescu: just so happens none of the things we want it to.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform odd that the idiot horde can keep SOME things frozen in time.
asciilifeform: (the ext lang in autocad)
asciilifeform: pretty much the only widespread public mention, if you go by 'what's in the bookstore' metric, was autodesk's 'autolisp'
asciilifeform: and there. scripting engines for games (e.g., 'abuse')
mircea_popescu: i don't mean hobbist projects, owned and managed by the v ery enthusiast in question. i mean shops. with management
asciilifeform: tbh there is no sane way of doing it because it is a contradiction in terms - 'sane' and 'os native' together would require... sane os
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 19:44:35; asciilifeform: may as well go in the opposite direction, embed, e.g., 'tinyscheme', in a cpp turd.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-11-2015#1327472 << afaik this is how the dilemma is resolved in any shop that ever tries it.
gabriel_laddel: adlai: if you think computer graphics are in anyway useful -> CLIM. Else, have fun trying to map the notion of a "presentation" to emacs text (see the magit and org-mode sources).
gabriel_laddel: They'll need to "export" the data to .csv, in a button press have an email drafted for them with the attached file using data selected using a slider etc
gabriel_laddel: adlai: imagine for a moment that you're writing a program which abstracts over a lab instrument's controls and does a visualization of the information it reads. The requirement is that people who use it will be intelligent, but not necessarily programmers.
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BingoBoingo: The official confirmed an audio recording, punctuated by gunshots, in which an officer asks: "Where is your boyfriend?" and she responds angrily: "He's not my boyfriend!" Then loud bangs are heard.
BingoBoingo: Three police officials have told the Associated Press that a woman who died in the police raid was Abaaoud's cousin. One said the woman, Hasna Aitboulahcen, is believed to have detonated a suicide vest Wednesday in the building after a brief conversation with police officers.
BingoBoingo: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/11/19/female_terrorist_hasna_aitboulahcen_apparently_upset_about_police_assumption.html
trinque: ben_vulpes: I tend to swing like a monkey on the enclosing characters with evil's % and add/remove them myself
gabriel_laddel: CLIMACS (ugh, needs a new name) has "structure editing" facilities, but I've not bound them yet.
asciilifeform: 'In smartparens, when you input a pair-able character: the matching pair gets inserted, too, and point is positioned inside the pair:...' << FOR FUCKS SAKE WHY
gabriel_laddel: Rather than die of hunger, I'd sooner eat a roast!
asciilifeform: or whatever word describes the sort of chimera i am
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: there are worse thing to end up
asciilifeform: first step on the road to where i am.
trinque: but then, if you already have it's not as though I wouldn't look at it
trinque: yeah taking it easy, haven't seen them in about two years; I'm in no rush
gabriel_laddel: trinque: how goes the move-in? I saw that you're still living with family?
gabriel_laddel: phf: sort of related - I put together a new McCLIM website with fancy screenshots
asciilifeform: shinohai: thing is, the protocol has neither crypto nor authentication (and the former is meaningless without the latter) and so neither you nor i have the foggiest notion of what we ACTUALLY connect to. ever.
shinohai: I have only tried connecting to listed nodes on the wiki ... was connecting to mp's node before that Ukranian bs
asciilifeform: shinohai: if the 'power-rangerism' continues, these will eventually connect only to each other.
phf: i think maybe it's worthwhile to patch the logger so it doesn't report until the client actually does a read/write. if you do a port scan on yourself, will have same effect
asciilifeform: anybody else's therealbitcoin node behaving strangely?
phf: well, in that respect cmucl is a decent litmus test. every single package that fails to load from quicklisp (named-readtables is the recent offender) turns out to be a turd on a closer inspection
asciilifeform: just one of the many, many benefits of having something where tards are kept OUT
asciilifeform: for n00bz: it is an actual standard. as in, it will be possible to run code written in 1985 in 2085, should something like a computer still exist, if it adhered to the standard.
asciilifeform: and the ansi standard.
asciilifeform: as in, what's in guy steele's 'common lisp the language' 2nd ed.
assbot: Logged on 20-03-2015 04:43:54; mircea_popescu: anyway, you know those stories about how rich guy heard the paupers / shoeshine boys discuss stocks and bailed ?
phf: oh, that's coconuts, but you still don't want to touch them, since the sanitation no longer works
ben_vulpes: there is a local in the corner selling finely sculpted figurines of knuth that appear to be made of poop
asciilifeform: gotta love the let's-embed-moar-weird-c-turds-in-cl folks
ben_vulpes has wandered into a 'temple', most of the gems are missing and the walls are covered in graffiti
asciilifeform: 'Cl-async has swapped its backend from libevent to libuv. Please see the v0.6.x upgrade guide if you have not already. There are a number of reasons for swapping out libevent: Libuv is more actively maintained......'
asciilifeform: and the thing about tardation is that it is highly contagious
ben_vulpes: i found a "webserver" recently whose instantiation blocked the REPL.
phf: (read the asdf3 code and ioup or whatever that package is called in your spare time and wheep)
ben_vulpes is seeing the rot in webtech takeover of cl
phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders.
phf: also there's less eyes on cmucl, i'm not at all convinced that the politics around sbcl are to my liking, where's cmucl is essentially abandonware. it generates code, it has a nice interpreter, the runtime is smaller, it already has treeshaker, it's got History, etc.
asciilifeform: i've arrived at the point where i believe any system where any such thing is necessary, to be braindamaged beyond redemption
asciilifeform: why cmucl rather than sbcl ?
phf: i wouldn't even attempt to replicate the feat with, say, gcc
phf: yeah, i'm leaning that way myself, but i'm not fully convinced yet. i'm for example trying to build sufficient knowledge of cmucl right now, to be able to take full responsibility for the behavior of my deployed system, and it's a ~slow process~. it's handy to have paid professionals assist you
phf: asciilifeform: i enjoyed working with lispworks team in the past. i don't think it's proprietary in the same sence as msvs or such. you have to buy into a relationship, but once you have a contract with them, they are accommodating. you can ask them for source if you actually want to inspect it for lizard hitler traces and compile it yourself
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i, like the fool i am, retain hope of putting lispy gui crud places, and so would rather burn the time hacking through mcclim than running the symbolics vms.
phf: punkman: it's a free version of clim, which is a standard. if you're trying to release actual applications on top of climacs your better bet is to buy a lispworks license and use their clim implementation
asciilifeform: (there even is a mac port, i have not tried it)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: go straight to the symbolics emulator for that
asciilifeform: i think the technical term for this, is
phf: punkman: it's really experimental technology. ~giant~ multilevel spec, implemented by a handful of enthusiasts. only worthwhile if you're prepared to spend large fraction of your time on improving and debugging the gui code itself.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: last i tried climacs, i barfed from 1) PALPABLE keypress delays 2) athena
asciilifeform: motherfucker built on NO machine i could find.
asciilifeform: may as well go in the opposite direction, embed, e.g., 'tinyscheme', in a cpp turd.
asciilifeform: the impedance mismatch between all the idiot crud qt expects (own lists, hashes, etc.) and anything sane, is atrocious
asciilifeform: if it doesn't matter what it looks like, at all, can use the horrendous x11 'athena' widgets
asciilifeform: there used to be 'wx' but afaik - dead
ben_vulpes: on the lisp ui thread, a mcclim contributor of yore has started work on clim3, spec and impl: climatis: https://github.com/robert-strandh/CLIMatis
mircea_popescu: then again i guess it makes sense, reddit's collectively at that enchanted age when kid walks into bedroom unexpectedly, thinks dad's "beating the shit out of mom". because wut is fuck anyway.
assbot: Metafetish - Too Much Information about the Interactive Fleshlight ... ( http://bit.ly/1lx4ahS )
punkman: http://www.metafetish.com/2008/04/10/too-much-information-about-the-interactive-fleshlight/
mircea_popescu: in other news, touchpad unergonomic. http://36.media.tumblr.com/988526e5be129553f39bb433bf36d041/tumblr_n5bjykaDov1rl2t88o2_1280.jpg
jurov: gotta ask pete and ben about their bitcoin generation
punkman: "There are the things we need to work on to get more women into bitcoin and then the guys will just come as iron dust to a magnet... Porn and cam-shows are good to get some men but they are not enough to form relationships. After all we need a bitcoin women finding a bitcoin man, marry eachother and make a baby. That baby will be born in a bitcoin generation with bitcoin knowledge!"
phf: hot off the press
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess maybe ? strikes me as fucking insane, but then again i guess that's their point
mircea_popescu: it's not remarkable for the fucking monsoon season.
mircea_popescu: and the 800k gallons figure is nonsense. 3.2 cubic meters of water srsly ? 150 acres is what, half a square km ? so you're supposedly doing 4 * 8 * 10^5 * 365 / .5 / 10^6 = 2336mm rainfall a year ?
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses. <<< this is for sure how i'd be running the vault.
mircea_popescu: as in make the can plastic.
asciilifeform: (how to break the gaussian contour of the can so radio works, is exercise for the reader)
asciilifeform: and, for that matter, why not fill the can with trotyl, squib, and radio, ~at the bottling plant~ ?
mircea_popescu: <jurov> "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha <<< there is a very popular east european scam where "german collector" announces he is paying very high sums for "old german sewing machines".
asciilifeform: but why was it necessary to cut the whole bottom off and glue back?
pete_dushenski: well, for teh log readers then
assbot: Logged on 18-11-2015 18:02:54; ascii_field: pete_dushenski: supposedly isis supposedly released supposed photo of the thing a few hrs ago.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: and watering lawns is mandatory there.
pete_dushenski: even place large quantity of gold in land mines. hell, make the land mines ~entirely~ out of gold. not like the yellow stuff has any better uses.
asciilifeform: and how come nobody ever placed small qty of gold or other valuable into mines ?
asciilifeform: 'In southern Africa, it has cost lives. According to a regional and especially cruel variation of the legend, the substance is found in conventional military munitions, particularly land mines, there to be claimed by anyone daring enough to take them apart and extract the goods.' << brilliant and ought to be encouraged
asciilifeform: 'Specific machines, he said, with a butterfly logo on them. He said he knew this from experience because the red mercury used in the jihadists chlorine experiment in Ras al-Ain had come from his grandmothers machine.' << l0lzy
jurov: "Russians safeguarding the stock late in the Cold War cached tiny reservoirs of red mercury in sewing machines and radios bound for export" ahahahaha
asciilifeform: 'Another time, a French jihadist hired him to find a Turkish domestic cat; Syrian cats, it seemed, were not the friendly sort.' << l0l!!
jurov: ‘‘It is not only about getting the red mercury,’’ he said. ‘‘The very small box needs special equipment to open it, and special reactors to work with it. If you open this box, a radius of eight kilometers around you will be destroyed.’’
asciilifeform: and what is the required dose.
asciilifeform: and these are the folks mircea_popescu tells us are the alternative to decaying west.
jurov: "Identifying such cheats was easy, the smugglers said, because real red mercury is attracted to gold but repelled by garlic."
jurov: ‘‘And there is green mercury, which is used for sexual enhancement, and silver mercury is used for medical purposes. The most expensive type is called Blood of the Slaves, which is the darkest type. Magicians use it to summon jinni.’’
jurov: ‘‘Red mercury has a red color, and there is mercury that has the color of dark blood,’’ he said.
mircea_popescu: but generally their (planeta moldova) work should be pretty hysterical to a russian speaker with ro knowledge
trinque: I've got a common lisp version of the bot baking which phf helped on, handles all this much better.
mircea_popescu: imo the VERY best story of thanksgiving friends is made by pretty much the only thing worth the mention culturally to come out of the bit of romania currently stranded as an "independent state" because russians.
trinque: mircea_popescu: could just be freenode being a pain. I notice that deedbot- will say on this end that "Remote host closed the connection" and on the deedbot- end that he looks like he was disconnected by the server.
asciilifeform: the anecdote is that once upon a time, a peasant was selling a turkey, a rarity at the time; and that he knew that a parrot sells for 15 talers, he asked for 30, given as 'turkey is twice the size.' buyer asked, 'but parrot can talk, can your bird?' peasant replied: 'doesn't talk, but thinks 2x as much'
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: the history of the saying 'the turkey also thought...' is possibly interesting
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> most people eat every day but never think. << newton's 4th law of thermodumbnamycs. << "We thought . . ." "That's what the turkey thought! Think less and you'll be better off." (tm) (comrade solzhenitsyn)
trinque: remote host certainly did not close the deedbot connection...
asciilifeform: STREUGGLES to eat the damned mcflurries << Ohne Kampf kein Sieg (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: well... the hopeful moral in there is that the man STREUGGLES to eat the damned mcflurries
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the ghost of alt.tasteless pines for you
jurov: but obv, it's not dones lowly, and they even add sugar
jurov: btw, another funny point from $book: lung cancer is correlated to... sugar in cigarettes
assbot: Logged on 25-08-2014 03:08:03; asciilifeform: busy as a bee << funny that they show an idiot sow scrubbing, and not, e.g, paul erdos crapping out theorems
mircea_popescu: <kakobrekla> most people eat every day but never think. << newton's 4th law of thermodumbnamycs.
jurov: we have enzymes to convert misc stuff to glucose, but they need plenty of vitamines to work
asciilifeform: see also the meth thread
asciilifeform: where it comes from, is another matter
jurov: well, some dentist recommend fluorine, too. which is rather suspicious.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> among other things. << Like dog/cat/generalcarnivore poison
kakobrekla: among other things.
kakobrekla: anyway, i recommend to anyone who is interested in the sugary topic, to look up xylitol
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> mircea_popescu: 'it' is the honey or the jews ? << the honey. feed it to infant, watch infant become really quiet./
jurov: yes, like in the morning
BingoBoingo: jurov: I mean the marathon runner is so far in the throes of addiction he will shave his nipples off with synthetic fabric to justify his high https://i.imgur.com/IzbKH9T.jpeg
jurov: punkman, kakobkrekla honey contains multitude of vitamins and other stuff that helps to digest it
mircea_popescu: dear "the press" : no matter what pig lipstick you try to put on the current iteration of hruschev, he's still uncomfortable wearing shoes.
mircea_popescu: jesus, all the wasted spin.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is this nonsense.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: to the very first tangent out of circular egypt, presumably
BingoBoingo: jurov: They do during races.
jurov: rly, they do binge on it?
BingoBoingo: straight glucose from monsanto burns just fine. Marathon runners consume gelled satches of it which they litter their ritual grounds with.
jurov: honey comes complete with other nutrients needed to burn it, unlike refined sugar. hence it does not cause such "hunger" for more
pete_dushenski: the vast majority of jooz are seriously braindamaged. tikkun olam is the original papering over of differences between people. as if looking the other way will finally allow the jooz to 'integrate' because standing out for your successfulness is awkward and shameworthy or something.
BingoBoingo: This is why some Jewish groups support the whole SJW/SEW thing, because they believe that in his old age Moses transcended to the Mayo Gender and was healthy at all his sizes. Even his terminal one.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> look what happened to jews or anyone when they touched sugar << They heard there was honey over there, went native and chased it
jurov: they may have butchered, but quickly succumbed to same
pete_dushenski: inb4 moses_popescu parts the red data centre
jurov: that's the whole point