asciilifeform: back to my original point, i don't see any reason why folks like me will fare any better under this collapse than they did under sovcollapse
asciilifeform: if not their flesh
asciilifeform: (they were a prey base for it)
asciilifeform: actually it grew straight from the 'cooperativ' thing in '80s
mircea_popescu: the "ru mob" appeared long after 1988
mircea_popescu: hence, that's what the b-a is for.
mircea_popescu: survival of soviet families depended on HOW connected they were, nothing else.
mircea_popescu: the important point in that comparison is that her transition is NOT going to be managed by her
asciilifeform: before knowing of the old book
asciilifeform: microscope is actually a terrible hammer. the reason i am so fond of the image is that i actually used it as one as a boy
mircea_popescu: you understand ? tools have their mass, which means microscope is perfectly usable hammer.
mircea_popescu: every object has other assets. THIS is what it means to be an object.
mircea_popescu: her : "so how the fuck would i manage my transition!111!"
asciilifeform: aha but spurious analogy - youthful rose has ~other assets~
mircea_popescu: so the year is 1988. the persons are a well connected mobster and a youthful rose. she is in a terminal year at university, studying to be a soviet state company accountant. he just came back from dubai.
asciilifeform: considering that the original observation was about my reserved spot in the diesel tank.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there. << the idea is not that you command anything. the conversion from postmodern derp to feudal subject is not done under the control of the derp.
asciilifeform: now let's suppose that mircea_popescu is ultimately right about 'ride horses, throw out computer' and folks like me are not at all needed in the future. but let's try to imagine, e.g., a surgeon, trying to keep himself fed and clothed using b-a wot...
asciilifeform: hence the 'five seconds under feudalism' note.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i did not say 'wot is useless' but that i in particular do not - as demonstrated experimentally not long ago - command particularly much market value there.
mircea_popescu: that's what the wot/b-a is for.
asciilifeform: but nowhere is it written that the old slaves are somehow smoothly converted into new-style slaves.
mircea_popescu: the only way people could be moved off the good policy to the shitty one was the garglwe of "rights" and shit
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know feudalism is safer for the slaves than even socialism. certainly than capitalism.
asciilifeform: just that this is of approx. the same interest to me personally as the long-term dwarf phases of sol
mircea_popescu: gotta protect the bitcoin. both in this angle and in the angle kako was discussing yest.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, in proper (ie, macroeconomic) terms, this consideration is the reason, ie the absolute driver, of why society will reorganise into feudalism.
asciilifeform: because - what was the term mircea_popescu used - ...
asciilifeform: (fwiw the subject has no emotional button push for me, because i don't expect to last for as long as five seconds under feudalism)
mircea_popescu: that's the sign.
mircea_popescu: it will happen like the collapse of the us happened : once everyone agrees it's not possibru.
mircea_popescu: it just reproduces the same generational conflict that's present in society ever since forever.
asciilifeform: eventually the miners - defect.
mircea_popescu: but these are looters.
asciilifeform: i still don't see how an altcoin could ever be an appealing thing other than to idiots and looters, assuming a still-functioning (if asymptotically-rewardless) classic btc
mircea_popescu: which is why all the vc bullshit that keeps missing bitcoin by a mile
mircea_popescu: the usgtards like to act as if that future point is here, because they're too enamoured of the swamp they inhabit.
mircea_popescu: in that <mircea_popescu> at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.
asciilifeform: where is the logical flaw in 'classic btc is schelling point for carve-of-all-value' --> asymptote ?
asciilifeform: did somebody settle the proton decay thing while i was asleep ?
mircea_popescu: there are no asymptotes in nature.
mircea_popescu: asymptotes are what idiots think of the world.
mircea_popescu: at some certain future point it becomes more lucrative for the owner of mining gear to "start a new bitcoin" than to continue adding to this chain.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and what of the asymptote ?
mircea_popescu: what happens to bitcoin should reward halving run into an impossibility to finance further mining ?
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: aha. also because you've the capital necessary to buy in bulk, so you do.
mircea_popescu: what happens to gold when no more mining is possible ? (as you know, gold is finite in the universe)
mircea_popescu: with bitcoin, the responsibility for keeping everyone's gold secure rests not with the owners, but with the.... miners!
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: i normally buy rarities there that it is physically impossible to obtain in any other way short of a journey around the globe in person
mircea_popescu: consequently, depending on your efficiency, you'll be spending a coin every X interval off the hoard.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider the situation : with gold, the responsibility for keeping gold secure indivisibly rests with its owner. either you build a vault and pay guards, or else you don't own it.
pete_dushenski: because you never need the same thing twice ?
asciilifeform tried using the classic otc site on at least five separate occasions but never succeeded in either buying or selling so much as a nut or a bolt there
asciilifeform: this plus the set of surplus shops, etc. that can be seen with the naked eye in meatspace.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: pretty much the entire set of things that i do.
punkman: and the guy must work in DEA-licensed lab
punkman: random derps can't get tests unless they know a guy
punkman: "EcstasyData.org collects lab testing results from a variety of organizations, but primarily commissions its own tests conducted by Drug Detection Lab (DDL) in Sacramento. All samples submitted to EcstasyData are done so by mail and we have no physical, on-site analysis presence. We are also interested in helping other groups publish and manage their testing data."
punkman: (in the US)
punkman: afaik there is only one place that takes anonymous drug samples via mail, and it's run by Erowid and some nonprofits
asciilifeform: (my guess would be the eleventh commandment, 'not caught - not thief')
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331841 << firms like this have, iirc, existed for a while. i've always wondered what keeps usg from busting them for 'possession'
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 15:00:55; mircea_popescu: (bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=26-11-2015#1331873 << what did mircea_popescu mean by this? i bet there is a whole article buried in this observation, and i would like to read it
asciilifeform: punkman: again, this is their 'low-end' box
mircea_popescu: most of these investors can not legally keep money in local bank accounts.
punkman: does german bank charge the guy to keep 106 cents in his account?
mircea_popescu: (bitcoin unintelligently transformed its already minor cost into a disasters of commons situation, due to the fact that satoshi had about as much financial experience as a holywood star. but anyway.)
mircea_popescu: unlike bitcoin, strong money of any other kind decays over time
mircea_popescu: conversely, if for whatever reason (such as horrible insecurity everywhere else in europe, while romania's sterling cannons guarantee it'll be fine), you decide to pay 106 cents for the dollar, your yiedl will be
mircea_popescu: now, if you put in 75 cents t obuy a dollar of this, at the end of the year you will be paid either nothing or 105. which means that your yield will have been (105-75)/75 ie just about 50%.
mircea_popescu: so, the guy went to place, ie sell, romanian bonds paying 5% for 75 cents to the dollar.
mircea_popescu: let's start with an example from the 1800s, on trilema : "Că d-l Grigorescu, șeful direcției contabilității din Ministerul de Finanțe, va pleca la Berlin, Viena și Frankfurt în scopul de-a plasa rentă 5 la sută română pe prețul de 75 suta ?"
mircea_popescu: seeing how the us is full of wanna-be callmakers and practically empty of actual workers doing the actual work of callmaking.
mircea_popescu: it COULD be your job to make him support materials to make the call, tho
mircea_popescu: as yhou're not the boss it is not your job to make that call.
PeterL: I basically report directly to the company president, it is a small company
mircea_popescu: it's a very low moat business. no idea how lucrative, but establishing a "stellar" reputation and pushing everyone else takes months, on account of how dumbassly undependable they all are.
mircea_popescu: PeterL anyway, dunno how close you are to management / how tolerant of redditards your strategy is, but - you could even be proactive about it. register on whatever social medias they frequent as "the lab", do some testing even on your own dime at first to establish rep,
PeterL: well, wanting to test it and having the ability to test it are two separate things
mircea_popescu: PeterL afaik anyone who's not a tard tests the first batch from a new vendor.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "350 years of combined experience".
PeterL: I guess if they are willing to pay to get the stuff through the darknet, they should be willing to pay to get it tested
mircea_popescu: "Cuccias said that Nest Cam uses 128-bit SSL encryption, Perfect Forward Secrecy and a 2048-bit RSA key that is unique to each camera. This ensures that videos are not accessible, even over open WiFi networks. That said, customers can always see the status of their camera through the Nest app, "
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jurov: "Others report that programs like CPU-Z, AMD Catalyst Control Center or CPUID were removed as well during the upgrade."
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mircea_popescu: ahahaha what are these turnips smoking.
assbot: 21 inc attempts to stop neckbeards from copying their obsolete Frankenstein creation. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1lLjEPy )
asciilifeform: but they all have specific purposes and are not 'workstation' in any sense.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i have a pile of laptops that never leave the house
kakobrekla: i guess the point was lappy != field work
mod6: think i shut it down on the flight from b-a
asciilifeform: so it is rather like asking why a prison latrine sucks
asciilifeform: the mega-insight here is that laptops suck ~because~ they are part and parcel of a kind of life that sucks
deedbot-: [Trilema] The muchass of the day, a triptych - http://trilema.com/2015/the-muchass-of-the-day-a-triptych/
asciilifeform: also will note that the portable i actually use for work, cost no less than the maximal mac, relies on blobs, and a good number of peripherals simply do not work, blob or no blob
mircea_popescu: im rrrrreally call the police i tell you!
mircea_popescu: then what are you talking!
asciilifeform: if i didn't already have one, for the (fortunately) rare times that i need such a thing - would buy.
mircea_popescu: so the box you'd buy is putative, as you didn't buy it, and as far as the rest of the quoted is concerned ima go on a limb and guess thye had other reasons.
mircea_popescu: didja run off with half the sentence ?
asciilifeform: and yes, if you want a unix box with 300 dpi screen and where the MOTHERFUCKING PERIPHERALS WORK (suspend lid, etc) - you buy this.
asciilifeform: (the box ben_vulpes was thinking of doesn't have a sata jack, so you're stuck with what's soldered on)
ben_vulpes: and an extremely small cost in the grand scheme of things.
ben_vulpes: they are welded in at birth
ben_vulpes: because one cannot put ones own storage in the machine
ben_vulpes idly pulls up the apple checkout flow in a text only browser, laughs
asciilifeform: used to be you could even put standard 2.5 inch disks in there
ben_vulpes: 512 gb for another 500 usd
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: not only don't have, but never had, and afaik the monkeys do not yet smoke enough dope to hand'em out to folks like us.
asciilifeform: some bozos do not even remember to advertise it, and then proceed to waste hours of my time only to break the news later
asciilifeform: in other 'news', in past month i learned that 98%+ of openings advertised for my profession demand proof of aryan status
ben_vulpes: the new trackpads are impressive, though.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: presently this is only in their 'budget' models
ben_vulpes: the atomic dirigible
ben_vulpes: want to plug in device and charge at the same time?
ben_vulpes: THERE IS ONE
ben_vulpes: oh and surely i've bitched about the hilarious external port layout of the most current model
asciilifeform: crapple's os does not degrade, gracefully or otherwise
mircea_popescu: oh you need the gpu ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: no, though it has permanently soldered ram. it is simply that crapple refuses to support the gpu
mircea_popescu: what;'s the rub ? can't put enough ram on it ?
asciilifeform: the thing is almost fantastically useless
mod6: yeah, i was thinking that was the case Mr. P. Just wanted to throw it out there before I start pulling 'em
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 02:46:43; ben_vulpes: el capitan quest, day three: os x still refuses to upgrade xcode 6 to xcode 7.1, a prerequisite for el capitan (or is it the other way around? once i run all of these permutations i'll have to check that set).
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Well, you could work your way up starting with an apple newton, and maybe someday achive an IBM AS/400 ans still further in the future a system/360 "box"
assbot: Logged on 26-11-2015 01:20:10; mod6: asciilifeform: if the Foundation is going to host & sign OpenSSL/Boost/BDB, I'll also need to host buildroot + buildroots deps, no?
ben_vulpes: the macbook is too heavy to press, it's not like an air or anything
ben_vulpes: my fate is horrendous cobbled-together towers of abstractions
BingoBoingo: Just correct your machines and put them on OS 7.5.1
ben_vulpes: el capitan quest, day three: os x still refuses to upgrade xcode 6 to xcode 7.1, a prerequisite for el capitan (or is it the other way around? once i run all of these permutations i'll have to check that set).
ben_vulpes: /the/ good book
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Ah, I dunno the original source.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: from "let's panic about babies", according to the girl.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: My sobriety has given me free time so I am exploring the world's many religions and comparing them. At the moment Brodinism seems to be winning.
BingoBoingo: I never knew this stuff was in the bible
BingoBoingo: Ah,"Thus, when you pray in the squat rack, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the Smith machines and on the ellipticals, that they may be praised by others. For they work for false gains of false praise." - Masshuge 6:2
pete_dushenski: at the outside
BingoBoingo: So still another few weeks?
pete_dushenski: panta's firmly in the 'roll-over on own, stand-up with one held hand for balance' category.
BingoBoingo: From the good book "Blessed are the swole, for they will inherit the earth - Masshuge 5:5"
mod6: Anyway, that's one major task still hanging out there. I'd like to get that done before we ``release''. Have all the required deps signed & hosted so that the rotor-build script I've been passing around can be changed to pull the stuff directly from the foundation.
mod6: asciilifeform: if the Foundation is going to host & sign OpenSSL/Boost/BDB, I'll also need to host buildroot + buildroots deps, no?
mod6: anyway, my apologies for missing that stuff on the last go-around :/
mod6: but I think this update will be a full-everything-signed distribution again. and if this version is acceptable, maybe I'll publish the genesis of it sometime later.
mod6: also changed were two extraneous tabs that got in there during the refactorization of the ante/desc subroutines.
mod6: When pressing, if you name your output directory starting with a 'v', it gets confused and names the output press directory the name of the HEAD vpatch given.
pete_dushenski: to celebrate the belated arrival of winter today, some photos of nature (that i didn't take) from my neck of the woods http://www.hecktictravels.com/rocky-mountains-alberta-canada and some rather charming urban shots of winter a few provinces over http://www.hecktictravels.com/winter-in-quebec
pete_dushenski: "Jewish individuals were overrepresented by a factor of about 234. Today, the typical UHNW individual profile includes U.S. married (Christian and Jewish) men who are largely Chairman and CEO, Republican, and earned their money in finance, banking and investments."
pete_dushenski: " Overall, these people were highly educated and cognitively able, and smarter"
pete_dushenski: "The extent to which people in the right tail of wealth are highly educated and cognitively able was examined in a sample of 18,245 ultra high net worth (UHNW) individuals with net worth's of USD $30 million plus."
pete_dushenski: "Coley is quoted in police documents as saying “You bumbaclot Muslim,” a phrase containing a Jamaican expletive. “I’m going to burn your Muslim temple down,” he added, before spitting on the woman several times."
pete_dushenski: " A postal worker in New York City has been accused of a hate crime after harassing a Muslim woman with an infant in a stroller. He was arrested by Brooklyn police after launching an anti-Muslim tirade and reportedly spitting at the woman."
pete_dushenski: "If you're blown away by the idea that fewer than 100 people control as much wealth as half the world today, imagine how concentrated money used to be." << lol and will be.
pete_dushenski: turns out the 'apple support communities' aren't complete refuse.
pete_dushenski: "Application Specific Information: *** error for object 0x11d00cc08: incorrect checksum for freed object - object was probably modified after being freed." << my motherfucking ~dictionary~ keeps crashing and sending this error message.
shinohai: http://www.javaworld.com/article/3006978/javascript/move-over-linux-javascript-powered-nodeos-10-approaches.html <<< let's just power the whole damned world on js
mircea_popescu: i only ever liked romania, or any other place come to think of it, for that kind of reason.
mircea_popescu: you know, i suppose i'd like the us a lot more if the people running the private "scam the suckers" entreprises there were literate and spoke enlish
ben_vulpes: mostly already is, in the sense that the "police" forces are only nominally public entities in that part of the country.
mircea_popescu: what are they gonna do, steal his cash and car if he drives through washington dc ?
ascii_field: 'Before hitting the trucks, the American forces dropped leaflets warning that an attack was coming, and as truck drivers are deemed to be non-combatants, they were told to "get out of your trucks now and run away from them" before the airstrikes hit.'
mircea_popescu: more from the lulz farm : http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/ISIS-fuel-tankers-unharmed-US/2015/11/24/id/703437/
mircea_popescu: immanence is a kantian concept ; imminence is the state of proximity in time of a future item to the present.
trinque: immanent would be in the ballpark of "inherent"
mircea_popescu: In 2014 alone, US Attorneys "forfeited" $4.5 billion. This dollar amount now places federal law enforcement at the top of the list of of "People Who Take Stuff That Belongs To Others."
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i miss the significance ?
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kakobrekla: https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20151121/08551332878/nations-criminals-cant-keep-up-with-governments-legalized-theft-programs.shtml
shinohai: In other news, people are still using yahoo mail.
asciilifeform: continually developing and testing new product experiences, the spokeswoman said in a statement. This is a test we're running for a small number of Yahoo Mail users.'
asciilifeform: 'Yahoo! confirmed reports that it is preventing some Yahoo Mail users from seeing their e-mails until they turn off their ad-blocking software. Users started complaining late last week on social media and ad-blocking forums that a message prompting them to disable ad-blocking software appeared when they tried to view their e-mail. On Monday, a company spokeswoman said the notices were a limited experiment. At Yahoo, we are
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 13:25:38; davout: the financial partner is pretty anal about letting people inside in the first place (which mostly explains why our volume is weak)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2015#1331421 << i can confirm that part, i evaluated their attitude at some point coupla years ago, found it much too far from obsequious, opted to ignore them.
mircea_popescu: people will sit around in the dark waiting for the cloujds to clear so they can water their farmville crops, while oil wells will sit capped and waiting for them to die out because "oil is not fashionable". this is totally happening. and it'll matter.
mircea_popescu: that's what i'm worried about, coal mines and oil wells. not the amazon/google/facebook/apple babyblue-chip bs.
mircea_popescu: "Fossil fuel companies risk wasting up to $2tn (£1.3tn) of investors money in the next decade on projects left worthless by global action on climate change and the surge in clean energy, according to a new report."
mircea_popescu: also "progressive" and "advanced" do not mean the same thing, they mean the opposite thing. so they're not interchangeable.
mircea_popescu: by definition of pep talk and archeology, there can not be an archeology pep talk.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside how they're not even wrong, too far gone off the map to even be wrong : what the fuck is with this mentally slow 12yo style of communication!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is wrong with ustards ? seriously now ?
mircea_popescu: "But if youre in Walnut Canyon in 1150 A.D., these guys are totally amazing! Theyve got canals, stone buildings, and advanced ceramics. They were so far ahead of everybody they knew, that they are absolutely the smartest guys anybody has ever heard of. Theyre the pinnacle of human achievement. Theyre the Stone-Age Stanford. Theyre the MIT of black and white pottery."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-11-2015#1331365 << also true. but the advantage of playing armchair Cpt Counterfactual is that you needn't be disturbed by reality.
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mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://45.media.tumblr.com/1f96b91d160ab58d0264effe6f4391fa/tumblr_mueycuZo881sfnu63o1_250.gif
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller 2012.
davout: pretty unsurprisingly bitcoin is sold there at a 5 to 10% premium (in my experience)
davout: thestringpuller: it exists, except it's informal, faceless and nameless
thestringpuller: I've always wondered when the first cash only exchange will pop on Tor.
davout: (which is why we'll very probably change partners in the very near future)
davout: the problem being the bitcoin is scary, and that they're in the business of covering their sorry ass, while we're in the business of doing business
davout: the financial partner is pretty anal about letting people inside in the first place (which mostly explains why our volume is weak)
thestringpuller: Coinbase fights for the banks.
thestringpuller: or fight the institution that be.
thestringpuller: davout: but in your case you can at least give your customers a chance to clean the stench off of them.
jurov: punkman if you were in davout's place would you wish to know the gory details anyway?
davout: jurov: i think by definition you'll never be able to get rid of the fiat stench if your job is handling it
davout: we simply tell them: "move 10€ from peter to john's" account
davout: punkman: no, they don't. what you have to understand, is that from their point of view, we're simply shuffling euros around in their books
thestringpuller: Coinbase is clearly ill conceived then, if the end user has to obey banking regulations but cannot talk to the financial institution. And of course CBSE being a middleman plays dumb "We're just following orders."
jurov: lol why would they
davout: thestringpuller: yes, that's correct, they actually have someone to talk to at an institution that's regulated, they are legally a direct customer of the financial institution
jurov: yes i can hire french lawyer and start talking with the bank (or court)
thestringpuller: with CBSE it's "Get the fuck out of here. Sorry we fucked up your shit."
jurov: like, they closed the acct due to,say, money laundering but no one was interested in btc side of it?
davout: honestly, i think it's pretty much the same shit everywhere with slightly different coatings
thestringpuller: Coinbase is gagged by the banks. "Bank Secrecy Act", so no one will ever know why their account was closed over here.
thestringpuller: Seems European banks are more reasonable than the US...
davout: the reason for us is that it just doesn't really make sense to only have the BTC part usable
davout: tbh the end result is similar
thestringpuller: davout: per our interview. i think there is a bug in coinbase's model that paymium solved already. seems that if underlying banking partners integrated with Coinbase have a problem with a Coinbase account they tell coinbase "Shut this guy of completely or we stop letting you integrate with us."
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 01:05:54; mircea_popescu: ie, much better than now. the empire wants them to work, and will whip them just enough to actually get some work done.
assbot: Logged on 25-11-2015 01:05:54; mircea_popescu: ie, much better than now. the empire wants them to work, and will whip them just enough to actually get some work done.
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punkman: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/25/fossil-fuel-companies-risk-wasting-2tn-paris-climate-deal
assbot: Evidence for extensive horizontal gene transfer from the draft genome of a tardigrade ... ( http://bit.ly/1lIQqAR )
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