mp_en_viaje: there's ~fewer~ people here derping on their phones non stop, us-style "either actively eating or pissing, else clucking at shiny screen". nevertheless, millenial awkwardness is quite omnipresent.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile i'm sitting in this cafe, the table next, 4 chicks, one overweight, cucky dood. the table further away, three chicks, one overweight, cuky dood. the bar, three doods, salivatinursing beers.
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, michigan used to be like the pollution capital of the us, at some point. deindustrialization has its advantages huh.
asciilifeform: these, not visible by counting benches etc
mp_en_viaje: really put the acceptance of "this statistics thing, is genuine science" to the test. then we took to retrospective fambly history, even more horrified. "omg it's true"
PeterL: <+asciilifeform> 0 in usa meet spec, unless i suppose you go to the mountains << I dunno about that, there are plenty of clean air parks around where I live
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i remember doing the math sometime, much to us-born chicks' shock and awe, came out that ANY US CITIZEN has ~50% chances to be hobo during lifetime.
mp_en_viaje: german cops very useful btw, they know where shit is!
mp_en_viaje: so if she leans over to kiss you she'll get stabbed in the tit ?
asciilifeform: they go in the middle of bench (or if it is longer than 2 arses' width, they make arse-sized slots )
mp_en_viaje: where do the spikes go ?
PeterL: none of the parks here have anti-hobo spikes
asciilifeform: 0 in usa meet spec, unless i suppose you go to the mountains
mp_en_viaje: what is the point of a spiked bench ? ritual object ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, there's a lot of female-fat tolerance in tico culture too.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, well, the 1.40 up to MAYBE 2 or so, is quite recent. germany is shockingly cheap for cabs, especially if one considers the exceptional quality.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: as i understand ( from mp_en_viaje's chronicles no less ) they do. but usually in arabistan, where they somehow like fat
mp_en_viaje: there's a large contingent of indiana/ohio/whatever ~0 sexual market value wilting cows coming to costa rica to score husband.
asciilifeform: PeterL: i suspect defensive mechanism. most of these folx, if went even to timis, would come home and eat their .45
PeterL: I have a co-worker, every year she goes to Vegas for a week (with her mother), buys some purses and eats junk food. I don't understand it.
mp_en_viaje: and then it's like... 1mark40 per km. gimme a break, really ?
mp_en_viaje: even fucking germany is cheap as dirt. for one thing, they show up within 3-4 minutes in these utter boats of a mercedes or w/e, you've never seen cars like that outside an imaginary 50s us.
asciilifeform: or the palaces, which cost less than a decent auto in clintonistan
PeterL: we did disney (everybody kept telling us the kids would live it!) I regret it, was not worth the price
mp_en_viaje will end up there too, at some point.
asciilifeform: the only item that aint cheap is passport, lol
asciilifeform: errything cheap there. we had coupla thrds.
asciilifeform: the most galling thing is that actual food in ro, costs <= to what pig slop costs in ameritardistan.
mp_en_viaje: just saying, you know, what do people do for vacation. used to be "go to vegas", okay, i get it, high roller, picking up the casino cocksuckers cold and shit. fine, fine. most people now there, wasting their life a coin at a time on the dingdingmachines would be so much happier somewhere ~they never heard of~.
mp_en_viaje: better than blowing the ~same load over at disneywor;d or w/e, esp if it's the 5th trip or some shit.
mp_en_viaje: gotta go to yurp sometime. everything's cheap these days, a grand or so for airfare ain't the end of the world. stay a week or two, try the cheeses, have definite, personal experience for rest of life. it's no tthe worst way to spend a vacation,
mp_en_viaje: bankers also not web experts, hopefully they put their own data in the "banking app", as opposed to "tell web designer to make some accounts there too"
mp_en_viaje: and also hire someone off fiver to "do copywright" ?
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, but WHY ? "could be different people, the one who cuts, and the one who sutures". yes, could. hanbot's surgeon came to inspect room and bathroom next day.
mp_en_viaje: you'd want to break into my wine cellar and steal some bottles ~because i bought them~. specifically because, my cellar doesnt contain the contents of a crashed delivery van.
mp_en_viaje: problem with that approach is that the somebody ~didn't specifically buy~.
PeterL: my guess is somebody looked at the case of cheeses and just wrote down whatever the biggest word they saw on the labels
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don' t begrudge supermaerket brands their discretion. but if you're trying for the upscale colonials, you'd gotta be an idiot to put up this visibly intern-made list. only impression it produces is "the author has no fucking idea what he's talking about".
asciilifeform: lol picture if they somehow had to print the troof on the package. '10% mass brutto : coffee imported from zimbabwe ; 90% -- sawdust sweepings from sawmill in montgomery, alabama' etc
mp_en_viaje: there's a very substantial difference between "coffee imported from costa rica" and "coffee from santa margarita plantation in alajuela, costa rica"
PeterL: it's like the tex-mex style restraunt that says $item comes made with a "white queso blanco cheese"
PeterL: right, some descriptions could improve the list
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, ah i see, after the fold. sure, "Parmigiano Reggiano", why not, if it's what it says it's what it says. though "pecorino reserva" for instance, says nothing to me.
asciilifeform: the sprats live in old-fashioned meatspace shops run by elderly emigres
mp_en_viaje: anyways, it's a thing, people can rationalize it to themselves as "well, he likes anchovies, so this is like that"
asciilifeform: these here also. i grew up with the riga (i shit thee not, there is a gost standard, and they still bake to it..) variant tho
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the 1 in glass jar ?
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i tend to buy the lithuanian variant.
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, not to be an ass, but direct experience over years has by now convinced me it simply can't be the case new world makes cheese.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: they do!
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, i don't expect you'd find it most places, really. do they sell it in maryland ?
asciilifeform: for some reason they dun sell the riga sprat in ro, i cannot fathom why; but only weird german knockoff
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: funnily enuff, when i was in ro bought sample of erry tin claiming to contain sprat. then brought home and sampled. not 1 compares to the gost standard riga item.
mp_en_viaje: to get back to numbers, if your per-capita budget is in the 2-3k, the marginal addition needn't even be specifically financed. but it's sub 500 in any case. she can't fucking live on 500 a month anywhere else.
mp_en_viaje: "they had sprots, so i bought three dozen cans" incidentals way, way the fuck overwhelm any "well, i now have to buy flower ever slightly more often, nooblet also eats bread".
mp_en_viaje: but anyway, if your per-capita budget is 2-3k, which is luxuriously generous in my experience, half a dozen actives means you can afford to rent whatever the fuck, and adding a 7th will positively not show in the grocery weeklies.
mp_en_viaje: including Z shaped porn couch, quite satisfyingly hosts 3+ on their back.
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, which is deeply fucking ridiculous, for one thing he's away from cheeseland anyway, and for the other cheeses transport. except the fresh stuff, of course-- i bought some urda you couldn't believe.
mp_en_viaje: sent a half dozen to neighbour, too (specifically because by now i know how to work the tolerances into the experimental data). poor woman nearly inhaled them. "omg so good". yes, duh, have some elbow-made mayo sometime, half the calories, twice the epicurean gainz.
mp_en_viaje had deviled eggs made yest. 16 eggs = 32 halves + 7 for mayo. in other words, whole fucking carton, plus lb of deli meat etc. all went within the day, but i care not -- next time, 45!
PeterL: we could rehash the convo where I say "you could move over here and get twice the floor for half the cost" and then you say "but muh fancy cheezes!"
mp_en_viaje: hey, i constantly end up with this problem, and my answer is always the same : get satellite dwelling, then get larger main, then end up getting satellite again, and so on.
asciilifeform: leaving aside the matter where asciilifeform's meat-training skill is approx on par with his mig pilotage skill -- mp_en_viaje would bust gut laffing if he knew how uniquely poor asciilifeform is set up for subj. e.g. as it is , i dun even have physical sq. metrage for a hypothetical #3 crew.
mp_en_viaje: it's always best to fail at taking over the world, than to succeed at taking over wales.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, aim for the kiklachev -- even if you fail it's likely to be an achievement. rather than aim for "reasonable in modern democracy" -- even if you succeed it'll disappoint.
asciilifeform: when mp_en_viaje wrote that he trained these to do useful work, i believe. but it is a world-class feat, like kuklachev's famous housecat circus. i dunno that it's been replicated.
BingoBoingo: Just avoid the local facultad de derecho, that's probably irredeemable damaged goods with soldered on pantsuit
mp_en_viaje: item was the basis of the guild revolution in europe (because yes, ottoman contact, incl "fall" of constantinople -- more properly, RISING of ~) was very highly +ev for the yurpeans, culturally.
asciilifeform: ( and even these, ~1 per ~100 or so cocks )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i can't speak for erry fortress of us.academitardia, but in mine, the ~only chix in the engineering hall were 'dark meat' in hijab
mp_en_viaje: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalfa << the wiki article is remarkably on point for a wiki article.
BingoBoingo: Now the short films in this case would NOT be porn, there's too much of that. I would instead be how to videos. Whatever homework alf has for chick, end product is bottomless instructional video.
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, i dunno, the institution has some very strict constraints. for one thing, it must be ~personal~, if there's not a master personally responsible for the individual dork, it's not kalfi, it's something else. and yes, they're supposed to sit around and eat lunch with you.
asciilifeform: PeterL: at one time (long before i found out about mp's uni ad flyers) i put up some ads there; guess what result ? ( buncha grad students begging to have their homework done , and offering such laffably small bakshish that it was not worth for asciilifeform to even turn key in car )
BingoBoingo: Better ad would be in ye olde "Adult gigs" of the flavor "Seeking female students to star in short films, ongoing collaboration and South American beaches possible for the right bitches"
PeterL: where I work we get college student who are in chem-related fields to come and wash our glassware, we train them to do whatever menial tasks, they get tiny pay but it looks good on their resume
asciilifeform: lol another 8kB in <1s
mp_en_viaje: more like officious intermeddler than the item intended here, "supernumerary sex slave nobody finds the time to fuck"
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, i thought the intern is more the ancient "candidate", ie, bureaucrat sticking around for no pay. like that celebrated schmuck "helping out" on wikipedia admin board, "because he thinks he's being useful". "until someone tells him to stop".
PeterL: asciilifeform: Isn't there a Uni right around the corner from you? Put up a poster in the engineering department or wherever the "nerds who build stuff" hang out
BingoBoingo: Pantsuit killed the useful category of ad to put up.
asciilifeform pictures ye olde 1990s gag ad for 'linux airlines' . the 1 where 'come at 1200 hrs with cardboard panel ready to strap to arm and flap'
mp_en_viaje: same local paper they do castign calls in.
mp_en_viaje: same with houses -- yurp is fulla doods who built their own. and so on. everything -- if you have more than a cursory interest, buy the tooling.
mp_en_viaje: same is true across the board -- if you have even a cursory interest in something, owning some machinery is a great move. this includes food, obviously enough, but if you have spare femhands tailoring is QUITE reasonable. then they can dress BETTER than what any fashion catalog can provide, and for pennies on the dollar as what those idiots charge.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the flip side is that one can end up like asciilifeform , i.e. with dozen tonnes of ??? , from xray cabinet to that weird wrench one uses to swap water heater coils
mp_en_viaje: anyway, my point is -- if you have multiple cars, it PAYS to have a ditch installed in garage, within the year, heck within 6 months you'll pay for it from reduced maintenance bills. and so following.
mp_en_viaje: PeterL, do they do the whole farmer market / people on side of road seling produce where you are ?
mp_en_viaje: for one thing, it won't last, and there's nothing quite as bitter as the regrets of children who missed out on shit in their disinterested parents' house.
PeterL: I have a couple apple trees in my back yard, maybe this year I will try making some cider (they are still kinda little, had only a handful of apples last year)
mp_en_viaje: don't let alf be the only one to take advantage of this whole "pay for xrays ? i'd rather buy the fucking xrayer" bounty we came to see.
mp_en_viaje: unlike buying the coke, making the cider is ~fun~. even if you don't employ butt-naked girlies under the whip at the task. it's fucking fabulous for "traditional" fambly ranged children too!
mp_en_viaje: the truth of postmodernism is that tooling is so widely available, it costs ~same to buy a pellet of coca-cola and buy a cider making station.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, OriansJ fellow never actually came back for air after all, did he ?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-10 17:45 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907838 << you might not know if you avoid places they put ads (tv), but in their recent ads McD has been talking up their beef
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907947 << moving into an imaginary "upmarket" of fast food, now that they've fucked the very concept of human alimentation in the us huh.
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/eu-bureaucrats-set-new-october-31st-brexit-date-is-macron-the-sovereign-now/ << Qntra -- EU Bureaucrats Set New October 31st Brexit Date Is Macron The Sovereign Now?
asciilifeform: tho this might make prop.delay calculation slightly trickier. possibly what you'd want instead is to connect only the 4 'compass' faces of 'subcube' to adjacent units.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-10 16:59 mp_en_viaje: kinda the advantage of cube, elementarily shorter paths.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907891 << thinking about this further, prolly Right Thing would be a hybrid where there's a repeating block of e.g. 32x32x32 cells connected in 'cube' (this, or even larger, would still fit on physically 2d die) arranged in n x m matrix
BingoBoingo: Down here they broadcast Maduro from time to time
asciilifeform: if 1 day they start broadcasting sumthing interesting, e.g. beheadings , i suppose i can run perl script on that sdr box and get 'tv' .
asciilifeform prolly to nobody's great surprise, dun have a tv , or at least not the usual kind with tuner
PeterL: I don't think you are suffering from missing them
asciilifeform: for all i know, they serve up penguin flippers nao
asciilifeform: PeterL: believe or not , i dun think i've seen a mcd ad since i stopped riding the trains erryday
PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-10#1907838 << you might not know if you avoid places they put ads (tv), but in their recent ads McD has been talking up their beef
asciilifeform: unlike the idjit heterogeneous fpga sold today, this item'd be a snap to simulate.
asciilifeform: the '80s-style 2d tile already gives you, e.g., simple means to bake arbitrarily-wide alu. for instance.
asciilifeform: but i was thinking moar along the lines of the simplest device that'd be of practical use, rather than 'futurisms'.
asciilifeform: xilinx incidentally has already confessed to resorting to 'cubism'/layered dies, to meet their claimed cell counts.
asciilifeform: the 'nanometer' densities have piss-poor yield, and this is how it is papered over.
asciilifeform: ( i suspect mp_en_viaje knew this already, but even intel et al, 'cheat', when you buy a pentium-whatever with 'n cores', it really has 24 or whatnot, and only n working units , the others lasered out )
asciilifeform: this'd have the obv. down side, that your prop. delays are not deterministic. but would be cheap.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: on anyffing at all, you get the 'only n % gotta work'
mp_en_viaje: the thing with this (wholly futuristic talk) process would be that even if 1/3 of your cells work, whatever.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i dun presently know of an economical non-si substrate. was thinking strictly in the bounds of current commercial processes.
asciilifeform: it aint even like you can't buy a 30cm piece of si crystal. errybody does already, they simply cut it into 1cm^2 squares. simply costs.
asciilifeform: dunno if you could use an unmodified disk writer, given as the largest practical die is still smaller than the spindle hole. but same write head defo.
mp_en_viaje: in fact, a cd-shaped cd-writing cut processing item might work exceedingly well. have the buslines in the middle, basically you just add the discs on a rod.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: y'mean the faux-asics that were relabeled xilinxen lol
asciilifeform: simplest physical realization of this, would be to position eprom cells along a spiral. then can program via ordinary uv laser in konsoomer 'dvd-r'.
mp_en_viaje: you know, like the early bitcoin asics.
asciilifeform: rather than via the usual cascaded shift registers. get 4-5x the density, 'for phree'
asciilifeform: 1 interesting, imho, variation, would be to program the config regs ~optically~, a la 'cd-r'.
asciilifeform: i suspect if sovok had lived another 2-3 yrs, there's be ddr-baked examples of this in my parts box.
asciilifeform: theoretically, this kinda thing is chemistry-insensitive, could bake it on any process available, denser 1 will simply give you moar cells.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: routing is the typical eater of sq.metrage in fpga
asciilifeform: they also had a variant with tree-like local structure, for same
mp_en_viaje: kinda the advantage of cube, elementarily shorter paths.
asciilifeform: i would've added row/column lines , to cut down propagation delay when you bake internal bus, but it's moar or less exactly The Right Thing as-is
mp_en_viaje: this pretty well fits the bill of what we've been talking about.
asciilifeform: they even sold a card where you could plug in N of these, in tile pattern, and get whatever size fabric you like.
asciilifeform: not wholly unrelatedly, asciilifeform's semi-automated archaeology birthed a logworthy output recently. seems like in '80s there was an outfit, 'algotronix', that xilinx bought an' killed , to bury the product in patent liquishit. had entirely homogeneous fpga , made from identical ~200-transistor cells ( with simple north-south-east-west tile interconnects, and 1 flipflop inside, configged via 16bit shift register per cell, connecte
mp_en_viaje: it may shock you to hear that i actually have a whole pile of whores beating the streets talking to dorks by the fucking pail just to keep me on top of things.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-10 16:38 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago.
asciilifeform: well they're crown monopolies in most of europistan, neh
mp_en_viaje: this is supposedly fixed monthly pay. i have nfi, i confess the pricing in telecom fails to make any sense to me, and has, for a while.
asciilifeform: nor did i ever feel burning urge for 30MB/s on gsm -- who the hell pumps wares via a 'pay per MB' sim toy
asciilifeform: these iirc need buncha init gnarl, and dun 'hayes' no moar
asciilifeform: i never had the '4g' one
asciilifeform: huawei's item was the champ, even worked (with a little perling) to send/receive voice calls (why to do this, is separate q, but it does work)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 11:51 mp_en_viaje: moreover, and overwhelmingly important, some duning-krugerands retarded enough to not understand that their cunt map they made (coming from the same place their "let's make a pact to get laid before highschool starts" "pact" came, ie, complete insanity and a ridiculously nonsensical worldview, wherein they're magically the only agents, and the world exists on the basis of their mental processes and in no other way, notwithstanding the obvious probl
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, isn't a pube the best possible contraction denoting the http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907456 moron adolescens ?
asciilifeform: i reviewed several in the logs, in '14-'15
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i have nfi what the ' ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) ' horror might be, the only ones i've ever used simply present as a hayes-style modem via usb (a la FG)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:47 diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm"
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907800 << she has a point, since we picked it up a few years ago it became the new fashionable buzzword to drop in conversations among wanna-be pubes "in the know". happened maybe a year or so ago.
mp_en_viaje: that actually travels separately, hence the selenar silences.
asciilifeform: ( or did mp_en_viaje drag a sovok-style satellite rig with him... might explain the 200kg lol )
mp_en_viaje: even THESE FUCKTARDS understand they need the wot, ideologically dedicated as they are to pretending otherwiswe.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> possibly BingoBoingo knows << They claim meat. Granted 1 mm thick hamburger pattys
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i confess , i assumed you were already connecting through a 'buy a local simcard' thing of 1 kind or another
mp_en_viaje looks at the wonder. it's something else, requires adobe air, atop a lengthy pile of other bullshit. the comments "#added by yong wong" in the ~100kb init.sh (that ~requires root~) are the lulz of all time.
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, somewhat if vaguely related : "but mp, why don't you get so and so internet stick from so and so provider ? it's like 3 euro / mo!" "linux" "no, it supports linux too!" "you got one ?" "yes actually".
asciilifeform: iirc ended with the old ban on peddling liquishit with ~0 actual ch. in it, as 'chocolate', formally overturned
asciilifeform: i dunno re mcd, but specifically recall a protracted litigation-wank re who gets to claim to sell 'chocolate' in the reich
asciilifeform: it does?! ( i thought they carefully avoid making any such concrete claim.. )
mp_en_viaje: which whole pile reminds me of the famous mobster from chicago (in guys and dolls). the guy who had his custom-made dice erased, so he could remember ~where the spots formerly were~.
mp_en_viaje: you know, archeologists are the guys who reconstruct a mastoton out of a tooth. NOT out of the hole where the tooth could have went,
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:38 asciilifeform: it's roughly similar to the commonlisp situation -- most of the extant coad is old/commercial/inhouse, unpublished.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907793 << most of the code is old/<tinyfont>commercial/inhouse/</tinyfont>vaporware/rumorware ; in any case unpublished.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: re 'avionics people' -- tried as i might, found only the hole, but not the fossil. ( ~somebody~ pressed for the lang standard to have the http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1913#selection-349.0-1150.0 knobs. but who? and where used ? i do not know to this day )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:37 diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-09#1907790 << yeah, the prior art is ~done. "avionics people" my left foot.
BingoBoingo: Sure, the Uruguayo team does. French team had all of two French dudes and a roster full of Africa.
mp_en_viaje: well, they all look uruguayan :D
mp_en_viaje: we mock england for being a butthole, but really, northern algiers is no better merely for not being mentioend.
mp_en_viaje: ever since the whole strauss-kahn thing, france's been such a lulzy rumpstate...
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: rrright, but picture whole block o'flats fulla ~only~ these, nuffin else
a111: Logged on 2014-08-20 01:01 asciilifeform: '
like a refugee from very rural Pakistan who gets relocated to Oslo, Norway, and still thinks that he could make better food if he were only allowed to light a fire in his living room instead of using that complex electric stove. (This is a real news item. Every now and then, landlords discover indoor fireplaces and occasionally the newbies to civilization burn down the building.)' (herr naggum)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-09 21:26 asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it.
mp_en_viaje: eh, mostly bothering people in myriad incomprehensible ways.
BingoBoingo: What's the latest local delight?
asciilifeform: whether happened yet or not, it dun particularly concern us imho -- any moar than mp has to think, when dining on foie gras, about rats gnawing on a goose carcass that died over a junkyard somewhere
diana_coman: the easy gauge would be - go mention Ada and see reaction; far from "martian artefact" style; but that being said, I'm not giving it as "fact, here it is, started on x-y-z at 5pm"
asciilifeform pictures already the coming orgy of derps , writing 'ada' cum heapism/pointers , so to 'feel like a trader^H^H^H^H^Hboeing' etc
asciilifeform: there is?! (since when?? i -- mercifully -- apparently missed)
asciilifeform: asciilifeform would find it interesting to read the 1980s ada that's running on boeing etc. , but so far never found any leaked pieces thereof. would be interesting to see if resembles e.g. ffa style.
asciilifeform: thing hid in a cave from the 'open sores movement', and so kept some semblance of sanity , but at the cost of becoming essentially 'found martian artifact' from asciilifeform-circa-2016 pov
asciilifeform: it's roughly similar to the commonlisp situation -- most of the extant coad is old/commercial/inhouse, unpublished.
asciilifeform: there aint so many names, even if you count erryone who's so much as touched the subj
diana_coman: I suspect by now the "Ada-space" is rather mapped since I keep bumping into the same names
asciilifeform: kazakov's thing isn't an ada tutorial, it's a (surprisingly well documented, for a heathen) lib collection
diana_coman: ah, yes, that I looked at in the very beginning but tbh it still didn't help much and it was still simply Barnes' book I needed mostly.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: upstack to 'quasi-decent heathen adaists', 1 item from my notes is http://www.dmitry-kazakov.de/ada/components.htm
asciilifeform: this is where i confess that asciilifeform is not currently tuned in realtime to #e news, does not know what, if anyffin, the players have birthed
diana_coman: yes; and client is entirely open up to players to make as well as they want to have it.
asciilifeform: i am unequipped to pontificate re euloratron, but as i recall the 'problem', such as there was, lives mostly in the 100MB+ of cpp legacy ???
diana_coman: this guy is the first that doesn't quite seem "c++ in ada" really i.e. he seems more focused on Ada for the right reasons; I suspect more the windows-based trouble as it were.
asciilifeform: near as i can tell, these folx simply sat down and 'wrote c++ in ada', is all there was to it.
diana_coman: and yes, it's certainly precisely the case that copious heapisms, pointerisms etc - the reason for it being as far as I can see quite obvious too: no sweating from 1st principles, much easier that way, sure
asciilifeform: 1st major piece of 'example' asciilifeform tried to eat, actually was the bignumtron ~inside gnat~ , in '16. and quickly barfed.
diana_coman: as I'm coming from a few years already of reading and wrestling planeshift code, I can't say it'll be reading heathen Ada that would cost me time, lol.
asciilifeform: 'everybody' used copious heapisms, pointerisms, 2ndarystackisms, etc. supposedly somewhere some avionics people didnt, but naturally never bothered to publish.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: so far i've found that reading heathen ada examples ~cost~ me time, rather than saved, and put into my head things that later had to laboriously pump out. and the zip fella is no exception.
diana_coman: anyway, the ini files is a tidbit really; that was the entry point but since I saw afterwards all the www-oriented parts I got curious
asciilifeform: kudos to phf btw for the colourized display
asciilifeform: the ada array-slice notation makes this work properly without substantial effort, simply through the type constraint logic .
asciilifeform: if all yer 'strings' come from the inside of a large, static string, can represent'em simply as tuples , as pictured in above
diana_coman: as I said earlier: I don't think it *has to*; but he clearly doesn't have a problem with it and so he uses it; there are quite a few things grating, yes;
asciilifeform: re config txt parsers, i dun grasp why it would need heapism, rather than simple http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch18_subroutines.kv/tree/ffa/ffacalc/ffa_calc.adb#L99 -style offsets into the read-only text
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what made you remember the item ? ( was looking for lzwtron ? )
diana_coman: I saw that he has supposedly even an Ada browser but when I tried to get the sources it seems I got some incomplete/windows-dev thing
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'm quite skeptical re the 'unavoidable' of the use of unboundeds and pointerisms (in re the latter, outside of unix api glue) in the general case, tho
asciilifeform: diana_coman: he's where i lifted the 'gnathtml' coad-to-www method thing. but i never had any occasion to use his zip lib in the field
diana_coman: the code I saw so far is quite readable and self-contained so all surprisingly good there but it's true that he still uses all sorts including unbounded strings and pointers where I'm not sure it's really unavoidable
a111: Logged on 2017-02-02 01:08 asciilifeform: http://unzip-ada.sourceforge.net/za_html/index.htm << astonishingly readable literate-programming d00d. and he has a bunch of these.
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-02-02#1610852 - as I found this only now when I stumbled upon Montmollin's various lib and had (for once!) a rather pleasant surprise: asciilifeform did you actually review any of his code?
BingoBoingo remembers growing up in the US where the propaganda line was US missiles had the aim to kiss a target's asshole before exploding. Now, two decades and a couple dozen wars of various sizes later... "Next Gen" weapons not all that relevant. Air defense is the new cool because the threat to Peace this century has always been... US aircraft and missiles. Great Propoganda victory there guys.
BingoBoingo: Nah, more gyrations less explosives moves into the air
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, you know, one of those hard, time consuming things women do to look like i like them to.
BingoBoingo: http://trilema.com/2013/bitcoin-prices-bitcoin-inflexibility/ << TMSR doctrine has been against the idea of bottoms for a while now. Bottomless everythings and everybodies.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 23:57 OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing, as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now.
mp_en_viaje: "This follows the example set by the Serene Republic" <<< something tells me ima be reading that ever more frequently.
mp_en_viaje: so im sitting here with coffee, disaronno an' excellent italian gelatto, tryna find the bottom. so far -- bottomless bimbos, as in the celebrated "sfondami tutta"
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, the datapoint 2200
phf: i made a mistake of trying to rewrite url highlight in term of message annotations. the later is the mechanism i use for xref and such, and it scans the entire message corpus once, where's url highlight right now is done on each rerender.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 09:34 mp_en_viaje: phf, can there be had eta for http://btcbase.org/log/2019-02-05#1892960 then ?
asciilifeform: OriansJ: plz know that if you're waiting for mp to wake up and repeat what he has prev. said, you will be quite disappointed. nobody repeats; and failure to address prev comments in the log, is the height of ill manners: can be forgiven a noob once or twice, but one gets with the program and starts using the log , or loses voice fast.
asciilifeform: OriansJ: if you answr mp's comments in today's log, tomorrow he can answer back, etc. this is typically how it worx here, rather than waiting always for folx all over planet to be awake simultaneously
OriansJ: asciilifeform: No, I just haven't seen anything worth discussing, as I am only here to discuss the bootstrapping of Sane Iron and I will be here until I keep my word to bvt and have my discussion with mircea_popescu; to see if there is potential for mutually beneficial cooperation in regards to Sane Iron and Need to run something now.
feedbot: http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/08b-feedbot-ii.html << The Tar Pit -- Feedbot [ii]: the rss announcer
BingoBoingo: When I did my last ratings cleanup there was a lot of "Who dat?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-08 12:19 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907247 << i confess the wikilinks irritated me also.
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-08#1907489 << Was more motivated by a desire to generally not keep my loans of voice open forever when the princess appears to be slotting for other castles
asciilifeform: ( and currently i suspect that there's 'majority' logic in the PALs, also , tho as of yet cannot say where )
asciilifeform: incidentally, ddr 'hammer' and similar 'induce random bit flips' are only interesting on idjit pc iron, which lacks ecc and bounds checking . on sane iron, flippin' bits blindly gets you a halted machine and a handy printout telling the operator which stick to replace.
mp_en_viaje: this is a large part of what informs the "no magic numbers" stance, for isntance.
asciilifeform: sorta like where asciilifeform one time found that an ancient box he was using as www toilet, would overheat an' shutdown when visiting particular sites; found in the end that they contained 'js miners' and the thermal grease had dried decade ago
a111: Logged on 2019-04-03 21:31 mp_en_viaje: the driver of the error is the desire of having a ~unique~ personality. it is not deemed sufficient, by contemporary man, to merely have the same personality as the entire tableau of orthodox saints. there's too many of those, see. gotta be unique. as it can't be unique and meaningful at te same time (think, can it ?)... all that's left is the getting-drunk-on-tapwater "secret parameters".
mp_en_viaje: it's a matter of designs, protocols, algorithms. being at a delta from correctness is a homomorphism of having a personality, and in the exact http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-03#1906848 sense
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: dram ( at least such as sold as 'ddr3' and above ) is actually a scam, i.e. 'works unless the access pattern revisits $row 'too often' ) , this is moar of a shoddy konsoomer rubbish masquerading as deterministic component than an 'attack'
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, not a matter of softs. the dram protocol's as hardware as it gets.
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless, if you implement some dumb protocol, ~even if you implement it correctly~, and ~even if you use it on non-thompson hardware~, nevertheless you have a hole : the dumb protocol, potentially doing who knows what on the side.
asciilifeform: cuz, elementarily, it would have to contain coupla 10k actual transistors inside, and impose their propagation delay on the output.