thestringpuller: I still don't think there is a cure for dunning kruger syndrome
thestringpuller: you seem to have the science of the redditard psychology a lot more than the rest of us
mircea_popescu: what, the us has built socialism, ball bearings get made out of feelings ?
mircea_popescu: not to get into all the "money-related" bull. what the fuck does redditard imagine ball bearings are related to, amaterasu ? fucking astrology ?
mircea_popescu: heh, "Yeah you are right, guy could make something like the ISO meeting on the new standard documentation for ball bearing manufacture sexist and money related" aka "we're so far gone we'd think a meeting on the new standard documentation for ball bearing manufacture is sexist yet somehow we also think this is someone else's fault".
mircea_popescu: what, like i walk in the spare bedroom right now, pull the sheets over and thus have "discovered" a sleeping beauty ?
mircea_popescu: the Ford Edsel (archived) of organizations orbiting and trying to subvert Bitcoin. << lol apt.
asciilifeform: 'Even worse is that Juniper issued a "fix" that merely reverts the attackers' changed parameters to the original values Juniper was using for its firewalls. If those values get discovered by attackers, they could once again gain access to the system.' << l0ltr0n1c
BingoBoingo: Now imagine some other hussein gets famous and vacays in the Bahamas. The tabloids won't be able to drown out all the qntristory being built
mircea_popescu: ok BingoBoingo, i gotta hand it to you... this is the first time im bashing a fucking ;;google. you're a genius my man.
mircea_popescu: next time you wanna challenge the powers that be, dear usg, grow a fucking pair of balls first.
mircea_popescu: and you know they're fucking afraid of me, too, which is how satoshi got the #1 spot.
mircea_popescu: rides in highlighting the benefits of bitcoin and the blockchain to those both inside and outside of the prestigious university."
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/myavK <<< good for a lulz. all the people nobody ever hearfd about, usgavin one behind buterin (lol, check it out, it almost exactly maps what the dept of being dumb online actually things about its moles) and apparently the usg.bitcoin initiative got new leadership. "Since being brought in to head MIT's Digital Currency Initiative (DCI) this April, the ex-White House senior advisor has made great st
mircea_popescu: forward. With this change we will be removing the Gate2Shop, Skrill and Tradeguard payment
mircea_popescu: via debit or credit card for all customers (including those based in the US) going
mircea_popescu: but then one opens the thing and reads "From Tuesday, we will be re-introducing the "WorldPay" payment option via the
mircea_popescu: so one sees a "Notice: Important changes to our payment options starting Tuesday 29th of December 2015" from his NEW dns keeper and figures OMFG i'm gonna burn these people down, i JUST moved.
mircea_popescu: i could tell by some pixels in the shape of "up to" on my screen.
mircea_popescu: On Tuesday, Gov. Jay Inslee gave the damning tally: up to 3,200 prisoners set free too soon since 2002. <<< this is not a tally. the word tally has a definition. this is at best a guesstimate.
BingoBoingo: Also there is finally a powerpoint replacement for the masses http://tools.suckless.org/sent/
BingoBoingo: In other news, several months after switching to cmus I have no idea why I'd ever use another software music player
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gribble: Error: That's all, there is no more.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: It's from the mines
BingoBoingo: I like the hollywood bollywood question combo
punkman: " For three years, state Department of Corrections staff knew a software-coding error was miscalculating prison sentences and allowing inmates to be released early. On Tuesday, Gov. Jay Inslee gave the damning tally: up to 3,200 prisoners set free too soon since 2002."
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desantis: Hi there
BingoBoingo: From the mines: "the bitcoin days you can destroy with a single transaction is your hodl score."
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell adlai before you ask yes Pu238 is totally an altcoin. They even put it into coin shaped capsules to power pacemakers.
mircea_popescu: heh. trilema comes back online, next you know there's 230mb worth of access logs. BECAUSE ADDICTS! ADDICTS EVERYWHERE!
BingoBoingo: Things Linus surrended the ability to say https://marc.info/?l=openbsd-misc&m=145082406231205&w=2
asciilifeform: sorta sad, the kind of crud that ends up on pressed cd
asciilifeform: iirc india has the market cornered now.
mircea_popescu: 12573089 otherwise.
mircea_popescu: 10`896`842 words in articles excluding [most] of the quoted content.
asciilifeform: these 2 reasons exactly
asciilifeform would buy the 'simtel'-style disk set if mircea_popescu sold
mircea_popescu: maybe if you snip the pics.
asciilifeform: do we need the verbal equivalents of http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=23-12-2015#1350875 for anything.
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform quits reading the nonsense << Then you miss "Full nodes could record and release or sell the IP addresses of their SPV clients, in a large breach of privacy. That they do not do this is incredibly nice of them."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so will it go on the cd ??
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, b,tmsr~ still runs its deficits. this has exactly nothing to do with "altruism", just like it has exactly nothing to do wit hthe rest of the nonsense spewed by the decaying latrine once known as "the west".
gribble: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin XT Fork - Mailing Lists: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2015-August/010238.html>; Satoshi Nakamoto Speaks? Bitcoin XT Fork Debate Allegedly Draws ...: <http://cointelegraph.com/news/115139/satoshi-nakamoto-speaks-bitcoin-xt-fork-debate-allegedly-draws-ire-of-bitcoin-creator>; The P + epsilon Attack - Ethereum Blog: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;google "if Bitcoin relies on altruism, then it has already failed."
mircea_popescu: "It has become a commonly repeated mantra, among extreme libertarian Bitcoin cultists, that "if Bitcoin relies on altruism, then it has already failed."" <<< wutever the fuck ?
mircea_popescu: lol bitcoin runs on altruism. it's gotten so bad by now you can identify idiots by the simple rule that they'll use the word "altruism".
asciilifeform: also holy shit i read the title and assumed it was a snarky ru-eng pun but it wasn't
mircea_popescu: the one man - one woman puritan nonsense is just that. nonsense.
mircea_popescu: cross the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around todayonly one man did the same." <<< no mammal population survives that doesn't do some sort of female herding of this kind.
asciilifeform: 2) WILL NOT MOTHERFUCKING BUILD
asciilifeform: which 1) is not available as a binary package on centos (which the node i was testing on, runs)
asciilifeform: i'ma nullroute aws on all of my nodez. as soon as i can be bothered to make an exhaustive list of the ranges.
asciilifeform: motherfucking aws.
mircea_popescu: <mod6> does this all sound okie dokie then? << far as i can tell ye
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
pete_dushenski: ^another bigger blockhead, apparently
pete_dushenski: how go the 'capacity increases' ?
asciilifeform quits reading the nonsense
asciilifeform: but the nagant revolver.
BingoBoingo: believe it would have been that simple to cross into and keep going without being stopped. But out of panic I turned around and walked back to the bridge telling myself I was a paranoid pussy. I called my friend on the phone walking back and told him where I walked roughly and he just screamed at me to "STOP TALKING AND RUN BACK ACROSS THE BRIDGE NOW"."
BingoBoingo: From mines: "5 minutes after crossing the bridge I got out of my meditative trance and thought for the first time "Where the hell am I?" And then I sort of panicked. There were no signs or people around, just muddy countryside. Having seen all the documentaries and read all the articles about North Korea, I prayed I had not just inadvertently wandered into the Hermit Kingdom. And still the idea was so laughable, I seriously didn't
BingoBoingo forced that edit on pete_dushenski because gotta dehumanize politicians even if they seem lulzy atm
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pete_dushenski: yes, hun, the virus is called
pete_dushenski: ""It wasn't like there was a mass death of males. They were there, so what were they doing?" asks Melissa Wilson Sayres, a computational biologist at Arizona State University, and a member of a group of scientists who uncovered this moment in prehistory by analyzing modern genes."
pete_dushenski: "Once upon a time, 4,000 to 8,000 years after humanity invented agriculture, something very strange happened to human reproduction. Across the globe, for every 17 women who were reproducing, passing on genes that are still around today—only one man did the same."
pete_dushenski: i like the alliteration
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell BingoBoingo q to the n to the t to the r to the a : http://dpaste.com/11VM9F8.txt
ascii_field: and other items enemy might like to magick away one day
ascii_field: which, incidentally, also ought to contain other useful goodies
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 22:43:02; mod6: so i think jurov has a good question; if we don't drop the turdballs into V, which we're not, and the MANIFEST is the only thing in the 'shit' directory that is pressed out by 'V', where do the tarballs come from?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:05:32; asciilifeform: v the tarball hashes.
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 22:40:28; mircea_popescu: this "patches get sigils, shit gets a serial number" approach very neatly and intuitively draws the all-important difference.
mod6: and beyond this with V, if we create a 'Compact Disk' of all of this, we can just stick the trinity of turds in 'shit' along with buildroot and whatever it needs.
mod6: does this all sound okie dokie then?
jurov: and other mirrors
mod6: so i think jurov has a good question; if we don't drop the turdballs into V, which we're not, and the MANIFEST is the only thing in the 'shit' directory that is pressed out by 'V', where do the tarballs come from?
mircea_popescu: trinque brace yourself for when this, like so many other b-a originated crazy, actually takes over your life and you start renaming dirs to /shit/ in githobs.
trinque: jurov: the turdballs don't have to be vpatched to get put into directories which were created via vpatch
mircea_popescu: people kept saying in log how they don't wanna sign the crap. and i readily see why.
mircea_popescu: this "patches get sigils, shit gets a serial number" approach very neatly and intuitively draws the all-important difference.
mod6: the whole thing
jurov: and what part of the directory structure will come from v press?
mod6: we're not going to do that, we're just gonna create a manifest with their proper SHA512 hashes.
jurov: mod6 depends if wwe're going to vpatch these, too
mircea_popescu: in this case, he's discussing "the testnet", which is another way of saying "the ducklings in his bath"
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> nyooz to me << You gotta listen to KMOX in the car. Keeps you up with fiat paranoia
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 21:52:39; ascii_field: l0l waitasec they're ph0rk3d nice & proper already ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350700 <<< bringing up roger ver is not so unlike trying to bring up the original bruce. the guy's a muppet.
mod6: <+jurov> oh it's going to be all unpacked there? << yeah, perhaps not. currently i extract & build all that stuff under 'rotor'. i guess shit should just be: <+jurov> "The shit: BDB, Boost, OpenSSL & the MANIFEST for turds" <- this stuff the turdballs and the manifest.
jurov: oh it's going to be all unpacked there?
jurov: ^ i read it as "the tarballs"
mod6: they'd be like: bitcoin/shit/openssl/ bitcoin/shit/bdb/ bitcoin/shit/openssl/ or are you saying something different about splitting jurov ?
mod6: i guess it could/might have to -- this alteration will change the way we build everything currently.
mod6: i like the idea of a seal in that example though, because its like an official embossment.
ascii_field: but other than this, if you stick to machine types, works
ascii_field: gcc doesn't give a flying fuck whether c, cpp, fortran, ada, objc
ascii_field: all gcc .o can be linked together !
ascii_field puts the thing on list for butcher block
mod6: was just digging in there punkman
punkman: you mean the Ada-Crypto-Library?
punkman: do we need anything other than ECC when openssl goes on chopping block?
jurov: nowadays you can do it with any phone, if you put 5V source and usb output on the battery
ascii_field: 'I proceeded to disassemble a Nokia 2110 battery pack, remove the batteries, glue it to a 6-volt lead-acid gel cell battery, and clip the phone onto the resulting giant battery pack (when the battery is many times larger than the phone, you don't clip the battery onto the phone). The result, "Gorba's Return", has a standby time of more than a month.' << very spiffy, also doubles as a blunt weapon or battering ram
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> hmm 6 btc against trump for republican nomination in just the last day and a half, what are these people on ? << Ted Cruz is having a moment
pete_dushenski: ascii_field "Yes, you can sell part or all of your stock anytime for a trading commission of only 99 cents. You can also buy more of a stock you already own, or buy a new stock, for 99 cents a trade." << ~seems~ this is the main flesh hook, though others include "money in your account within 3 days" and "priced at daily close"
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> ;;later tell BingoBoingo (or anybody else who was awake last night) http://photo.qip.ru/users/otrok/4044237/96752635/full_image << i found the datasheets for all the ics. most of'em are shift registers << Sweet
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ascii_field: l0l waitasec they're ph0rk3d nice & proper already ?
ascii_field: almost gotta be in there somewhere
pete_dushenski: "You pick the stock and dollar amount. They get fractional shares of real stock. Even kids and teens can do it!"
ascii_field: for t0p sc4mm1tud3, the card ought to have fine print
assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 22:16:21; assbot: Logged on 19-12-2015 18:20:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-12-2015#1347241 << the thing scammers never tell the scamee is that investing is a professional activity. no fucking exceptions.
pete_dushenski: https://www.stockpile.com/ << essentially the exact opposite of >> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-12-2015#1347842
shinohai: http://www.csoonline.com/article/3017171/security/database-leak-exposes-3-3-million-hello-kitty-fans.html <<< the lolz, it hurtz
mod6: <+ascii_field> the obj crud still ends up in bitcoin dir << yeah, but if we were to copy out the binary somewhere, any thoughts on where it should live?
ascii_field: and the correct vehicle for all of this is gnumake, ~if~ somebody can figure out how to make it behave sanely when invoking makefiles recursively
ascii_field: the obj crud still ends up in bitcoin dir
mod6: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, asciilifeform : thoughts on the above ^ ?
mod6: yeah, some of this is still up in the air
trinque: but that's a side note to easy access to the end product.
mod6: i'd say maybe just copy it up underneath the bitcoin dir. so: /.../bitcoin/bitcoind
trinque: er, with renaming it to the current version
mod6: it will always (until the makefile is patched) build an output binary in bitcoin/src/
trinque: mp last night was trying to get someone who had no knowledge of this stuff to build the thing.
jurov: where openss/boost/etc. install themselves
trinque: it should build in build then crap a binary with a version string appended in the dir you are in, imo
mod6: <+trinque> mod6: could output where the binary was crapped at the end << hmm? the makefile will drop the binary in 'bitcoin/src/' -- but yeah, could be copied somehere.
ascii_field: (these are bugs)
trinque notices the shit-in/shit-out aspect of this metaphor.
jurov: name the output dir "sphincter"
trinque: like building the linux kernel does with bzImage
ascii_field: there is
jurov: and the manifest in /shit
jurov: but if there are compelling reasons, should not be hard to move all versions one level down so that you can have /shit/bitcoin/src
mod6: nm. i guess in the 'shit' dir.
mod6: so the manifest should live in build directory as we were talking about?
mod6: eh, crampons then
jurov: it's about having files *inside* bitcoin directory in same places relative to each other
mod6: 'dist' would be fine with me. i see no problem with 'contrib' either.
mod6: <+trinque> {src,contrib,build} etc ? << 'contrib' in the sense of distfiles from say BDB/Boost/OpenSSL?
trinque: it's not as though I'm debugging c++ at the moment.
pete_dushenski: hmm 6 btc against trump for republican nomination in just the last day and a half, what are these people on ?
mod6: just because that makefile can get a bit hairy. but we can put it on the list.
mircea_popescu: neverthe....more.
mod6: oh the output binary for bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: another thing that was disconcerting was having binaries in a /src dir
mod6: in this case, the order of operations when building: press out a V 'branch', cd to the build directory (or somewhere in the pressed out tree), kick off the building of buildroot & everything.
mod6: so i can see having a say, /.../bitcoin/build/ directory or something where the scripts/config files for buildroot/and everything else/ exist and can be pressed out.
trinque: I'll give it some love today then.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 but this manifest... wouldn't you say it's of the nature of the sigils ? << im not sure i understand this.
ascii_field: so the thing was something like a su version of a stream cipherator
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ascii_field: ;;later tell BingoBoingo (or anybody else who was awake last night) http://photo.qip.ru/users/otrok/4044237/96752635/full_image << i found the datasheets for all the ics. most of'em are shift registers
trinque: V yes, I see V the version control system kinda being conflated with this builder making use of V
mircea_popescu: then it'll have to some degree be separated from what it builds
trinque: does not make sense to separate the build system from the thing being built. what other project does that?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> the manifest should live wherever the rotor.sh lives neh ? << I would argue that all of these scripts would live outside of bitcoin source V tree.
mod6: but it'll also have to be grabbed by the release vpatch so it gets included.
mod6: the interesting part about dropping in a manifest file is that i'll be off on its own as its own root and its own leaf since it'll have no decendents or antecedants.
mod6: so those would be the last 2 things that would go into V itself.
mod6: this weekend I'm thinking that I can get that done, and droped into the ML & V, etc.
mod6: anyway my question to ascii_field, jurov, et. al. is: given we create a manifest, where should it live in the context of the bitcoin source tree itself
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> my personal ideal would be that ALL directories involved in this without exception are spawned as subdirs of whatever current dir the script ran in. << this makes sense. right now you end up with /.../rotor/ and ~/.wot, and ~/.seals iirc.
mod6: the whole way that the 'orchestra' gets built, has to be that way for this minute. but certainly can change going forward.
mircea_popescu: my personal ideal would be that ALL directories involved in this without exception are spawned as subdirs of whatever current dir the script ran in.
mod6: and the subsequent commands would just do something like `./v.pl p TEST2 vpatchnameforhead wd /.../rotor/.wot` or something.
trinque: seems like the contents of rotor.sh can easily be pasted into the bottom of the outermost script.
mod6: in the context of the script, it'd have to be altered in the script to say place the .wot in .../rotor so you'd have /.../rotor/.wot/
mod6: this Manifest we're talking about creating would need to fit somewhere in the directory structure of bitcoin itself, if it is to be 'v'-ified.
mircea_popescu: does it look for .wot there too ?
mod6: currently, what is required is that you execute the rotor+V+TEST2 script that I wrote, and then it'll create a 'rotor' dir in that present working directory. then you'll end up with like: rotor/TEST2/bitcoin/src/
mircea_popescu: mod6 could the default be that all dirs are made under whatever dir runs the rotor script ?
mod6: should we place that file in the 'bitcoin' dir, or any thoughts on where this file should reside?
assbot: Logged on 20-12-2015 22:22:31; mod6: so just to be clear, so I'm not holding anything up here; hashes of the following tarballs in V: BDB, openssl, and boost.
mod6: ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-12-2015#1348988 << So I'm gonna be putting just the sha512 hashes of BDB/Boost/OpenSSL .tar.gz files in a manifest that will be added into 'V'.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker. dig trilema.com @91.218.246.31 status: NOERROR; dig trilema.com @8.8.8.8 status: NOERROR ; dig trilema.com ? status: SERVFAIL
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ascii_field: http://hackaday.com/2015/12/21/heres-the-reason-the-faas-drone-registration-system-doesnt-make-sense << usg lulz
ascii_field: the time to do this is, obviously, when a block comes
ascii_field: (deallocate all tx, while throwing them into a fresh mempool)
ascii_field: so do we see a return to baseline+300byte*blockheight heap size after the nuke ?
jurov: the CDataStream contains serialized tx
mircea_popescu: jurov has broken into the republican piggybank, bought out dark markets!
ascii_field: how about the problem of this operation not actually reclaiming memory ?
mircea_popescu: both of these lines sound fab.
jurov: i am tentatively erasing it (together with vRelayExpiration) in JettisonMempool, so far no obvious problems
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
ascii_field: now the Advert* crud - yes
mircea_popescu: in other news, "blocks" : 182731,
mircea_popescu: exactly equivalent to "experiments" that only work in the kook's lab.
mircea_popescu: if you recall the ever-so useful "quantum computer" that was going to do things just as long as you ... you know, let the specialists do it.
mircea_popescu: i doubt the thing actually works, atm, is all.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla there ?
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> http://geektimes.ru/post/268128 << baikal electronics corp. claims $60 mips cpu to compete with 'elbrus' (which i have been unable to buy at any price on this side of the ocean) << they don't practically exist, on either side of ocean. so far all signs point to "elaborate ru.gov self-scam"
jurov: new from mempool taming dept: actually the biggest memory bloat, hidden in various vector<char> operations is caused by mapRelay
ascii_field: http://geektimes.ru/post/268128 << baikal electronics corp. claims $60 mips cpu to compete with 'elbrus' (which i have been unable to buy at any price on this side of the ocean)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
liquidassets: Pay attention to your weaknesses long enough and they'll turn into your greatest strengths.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: hey, congrats dumbasses, pushing the attentionwhoring angle got +1 people to ignore you altogether. how's that for epic success!
mircea_popescu both turned off error logging altogether as well as specified they should be saved in /dev/null
asciilifeform: most of the mega-breakthroughs in this field were in 1980s usa.
asciilifeform: (other than old-fashioned booze)
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:43:50; BingoBoingo: Soviets just got sloppy when the latched onto schizophrenia as psychiatric umbrella. West has been riding this bipolar/"mood spectrum disorder" grinder for a while now.
assbot: Logged on 29-10-2015 21:25:28; ascii_field: they do 5 y.o. and possibly below, now
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:41:35; mircea_popescu: "the western world - a place so miserable teenage suicide is still the exception, but teenage cns depressant medication the rule"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-12-2015#1350318 << they don't wait until puberty to start'em on dope, either
asciilifeform: and for no other reason
assbot: Logged on 22-12-2015 13:35:38; mircea_popescu: no chance for psych medication to go the way of tobacco, is there ?