mircea_popescu: it's apparently very hard to underestimate just how little these people do with their time.
asciilifeform: besides the seeping pseudoafricanization
asciilifeform: where the decrease of the chocolate ration adds up to an increase of fiddy grams, as per orwell
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 21:09:10; mircea_popescu: " any increase in return thats attributable merely to an improvement in the local stock market;" << i wish to know on what planet these people live where there's "local" stock markets.
punkman: asciilifeform: but original was 'debug sanity' and did 2 very distinct, separable things, in 1 patch, which imho is mistake << agreed, but most of the wx crap was related to debug
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:49:00; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352382 << the concept is sound, however mind that we don't end up with as many patches as linechanges. "one thing" should be liberally construed, "removing remaining wxisms" seems a one thing for me.
mircea_popescu: these idiots aim to "revolutionize", "improve" and ultimately save a world they do not wish to ever see.
mircea_popescu: this is not a trend among the newly "creative" worthless class, not getting out of the building.
mircea_popescu: "But we never defined clear hypotheses, developed experiments, and we rarely had meaningful conversations with our target end-users. And while we had some wonderful advisors in the parking industry, we should have met with everyone we could get our hands on. Worst, we rarely got out of the building."
mircea_popescu: shinohai the problem is that for someone to later verify the bundle deed one needs to keep the whole bundle.
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 20:58:03; mod6: well, i thought we didn't want to send up all farts into the blockchain.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352462 <<< I don't like clutter, but if it pisses Luke-Jr off so much the better.
mircea_popescu: " any increase in return thats attributable merely to an improvement in the local stock market;" << i wish to know on what planet these people live where there's "local" stock markets.
mircea_popescu: in general, socal ditz does not call the other socal ditz "like, totally, a slut" for any other reason than you know, the slut getting the attention of the boys she wanted for herself.
mircea_popescu: "Socialists revile the church not for its promulgation of irrational faith but because historically churches have championed the improvement of the world as a thing that the devoted donot a thing which may (or even should) be outsourced to le etat." << quite exactly.
mircea_popescu: yeah maybe putting them in is a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: hm... well, other than the cost of keeping the stuff around forever to verify blocks.
mircea_popescu: moreover, there's no extra cost for adding more items to one block
mircea_popescu: technically speaking all that goes into the chain is 32 bytes per paste
mod6: well, i thought we didn't want to send up all farts into the blockchain.
mod6: trinque: could deedbot be easily copied and modified to just have variable paste retention into a webdir or db of some kind? it wouldn't send to the blockchain like deedbot. then we could just have our own `pastebot'? is this dumb?
mircea_popescu: "All Nature is but Art, unknown to thee;
mircea_popescu: nothing the socialist mob hates more than competence.
mircea_popescu: aha, and now we understand teh point of the entire exercise.
mircea_popescu: "Jeff Bezos of Amazon has, according to HBR, toppled from #1 to #87 in their list of Best Performing CEOs."
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what the fuck.
mircea_popescu: This year HBR changed the evaluation criteria from "stock price only"1 to an agglomeration of fuzzy metrics that include stock price in addition to Sustainalytics' proprietary "goodness evaluation" metrics.
mod6: punkman: any idea how long clbin will hold these pastes?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352382 << the concept is sound, however mind that we don't end up with as many patches as linechanges. "one thing" should be liberally construed, "removing remaining wxisms" seems a one thing for me.
mod6: yup. no sweat. just wanna stay on top of the V changes, so I can get to the many R.I. things :]
mod6: i'll test a bit as I said and then re-publish a new one when complet.e
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:56:44; mod6: mircea_popescu: going back to the .wot dir being created by default in the `pwd` of V : I would think that perhaps .seals should go in the same place as well; `pwd`.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352330 << i guess. my main concern is that i do not wish to see absolute paths. as long as it puts the stuff somewhere relative to current dir i'm happy.
mircea_popescu: was later imported and known as "the fbi"
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:39:51; asciilifeform: contrary to the ibm legend, there was no nazi palantir.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352312 << the equivalent i had in mind was their very meticulous document processing technology.
asciilifeform: (the curl part, that is)
punkman: also need own browser, because they tend to add \r
mod6: anyway, i'll keep testing on this for a bit and see how it goes. and if all is well, i'll repost the entire thing (including the few changes to the automated tests) to the ML
mod6: all: btw, if you do use the above test patch for V, please remember you may need to run a dos2unix on the dpaste [dpaste.com/12M99KB.txt]
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like heathen versionatrons do
asciilifeform: and then punkman doesn't end up writing a patch that needlessly conflicts (or vice versa)
mod6: just have to tell it to draw the graph again.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> speaking of which, we still need a thing where folks can drop in vpatches and sigs and redraws the flow graph << mine does this.
mod6: vpatch also declares this at the top.
punkman: asciilifeform: here http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-September/000166.html
mod6: If you add the above patch, you should end up with:
mod6: here's the hash for v99997: 0810eb4c7209900b3eb7b96fc7b9bfa437360581586e7d073ebc4f2cf88f13f2cafe9340ef5b8953dc43b288e4f74da3d7973998755466252225b5103c72bb99
mod6: ok so i changed the changes: .wot and .seals in the present working directory, unless specified otherwise. Also I've added the checking of the hashes post-press. **EXPERIMENTAL ONLY** Will post new, signed version [v99996] once fully tested.
asciilifeform: speaking of which, we still need a thing where folks can drop in vpatches and sigs and redraws the flow graph
asciilifeform: does it merge into the existing bleeding edge without complaint ?
punkman: in the debug_sanity patch
asciilifeform: in the ml ?
punkman: asciilifeform: I rewrote and it's there
asciilifeform is tired of seeing wxisms in the viewer
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell punkman was it you who submitted the patch that removes all remaining wxisms ? if so, would you consider rewriting as a vpatch ?
asciilifeform: they cost, what, ten bux.
asciilifeform: we have the optics.
asciilifeform: incidentally, why was there never (afaik) an attempt at a laser-programmed fpga ?
mod6: yeah, the documentation says that you need to 'create a ~/.wot directory' -- which will have to change, but 'you need to create' is the hint in there.
asciilifeform: this is the Right Thing.
mod6: ok, No, the .wot dir must be created by hand.
mod6: like Mr. P. said, there is no way I'm gonna be able to keep up with all of the feature requests here as well.
mod6: maybe it just doesn't pull the keys any more.
mod6: Any thoughts there?
mod6: mircea_popescu: going back to the .wot dir being created by default in the `pwd` of V : I would think that perhaps .seals should go in the same place as well; `pwd`.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: whereas today people will spam their photo to all-comers.
asciilifeform: sorta like a continuation of the - legendary - indian tribe who 'camera steals your soul'
asciilifeform: 'you wouldn't leave'em for the rubbish men'
asciilifeform: but there it was
asciilifeform: i never fully understood the reason for this peculiar (and foul smelling! try it) custom
asciilifeform: when emigres (incl. my own parents) packed up, they burned old photos (that would not fit, folks have ludicrously fat binders of these; or for whatever reason not brought along for the ride)
asciilifeform: re: photographolalia: interesting to note how the psychology of photo changed over time:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the other gestapo did not suffer from delusions of machine learning!1111111111 to help them process somehow infinite tips into an edible portion
mircea_popescu: its your life! So theres this obvious problem."
mircea_popescu: Quennesson had noted that the more photos he took, the less likely he was ever to look at any one of them ever again. "People take more and more photos, but paradoxically, they become more and more disconnected from them," he said last month in a conference room at their co-working space. "You dont want to go back to this whole life that youve captured, which is counterintuitive. It's the most important thing
mircea_popescu: the current version's in no different shape
mircea_popescu: here's a fun fact : the classical gestapo didn't know what to do to keep the idiot population from givingthem tips.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and for this exact reason medicine is a losing proposition. except THAT gets swept up into "obamacare" and so on. there's not going to be an obamacare for photographolalia, your ft meade wet dreams notwithstanding.
mircea_popescu: after reading that sort of nonsense i half expect the author has some "science" in a jar in his basement
mircea_popescu: "By 2009 both men had left Apple and were working at Cooliris, which makes photo viewing software. Latour set up an office for Cooliris in Japan, and after spending some time traveling through Asia with his girlfriend, he became frustrated with how difficult it was to store and organize all the photos he was taking. He discussed an early idea for a product with Quennesson, who was interested in using math and science t
asciilifeform: even... make moar of themselves
mircea_popescu: people take pictures in total violation of the economic cost of the energy expenditure for the camera, let alone any other considerations.
asciilifeform: 'we stored 400 million dick shots for ft meade but they forgot to agree to pay us'
mircea_popescu: "Out of the picture: why the world's best photo startup is going out of business. Everpix was great. This is how it died. The immediate concern in the room was a forthcoming bill from Amazon Web Services, which hosts the 400 million photos stored with Everpix; the team estimated the bill would be about $35,000."
mircea_popescu: We should have packed it up early right then, but we felt like we had already gone too far to quit. We rebuilt (and re-designed) the majority of the software, got approved by Amazon, and reached out to over 1,700 artists (each individually through different platforms). We got between 1 and 10 artists interested. Again, this just screams PUT IT OUT OF ITS MISERY! But we kept going.
mircea_popescu: "Our first beta test was a disaster when Amazon (who was our payment processor) suspended our account for not complying with money transfer issues. Fans were able to participate in the sale, but we were unable to capture their billing. We ended up paying the artist out of our own pocket and giving everyone his music for free (and we never told him that happened until now)." <<< derps were going to bypass amazon on an a
asciilifeform: but there it is.
asciilifeform: nobody likes irs either
asciilifeform: (hoping to emulate, perhaps, 'mcdonalds' or other cattle industry)
mircea_popescu: "More importantly though, people really didnt really LIKE anything about our product. No one that used the service thought it was that cool. In fact, some people that participated in the sale didnt even like our dynamic pricing system."
asciilifeform: http://www.zr.ru/archive/zr/1988/09/planiruietsia-zastoi#1 << hey check out this lulfest, folks wide awake to the automotive slavery of usa
mircea_popescu: punkman i never had a tailor go "breathe in" "now exhale" before.
asciilifeform: and even there was a car mag !
mircea_popescu: b) nobody gave a shit about the peons. srsly.
mircea_popescu: a) the people who had a dacha were happy as is, no need to chase it
asciilifeform: i'd rather hear mircea_popescu's hypothesis re: why said machine does not presently exist, first
mircea_popescu has enough experience with 1990s state of the art 3d modelling for games on basis of laser scanning nude female models to not need the first part explaiend.
mircea_popescu: the latter.
asciilifeform: the funny part is, a machine that '3d scans' your carcass and stitches a reasonable suit, is entirely possible from technical pov and would cost what a garbage truck costs, at the most. but you will sooner see a machine that serves you your own liver to eat, than this
mircea_popescu: "The single factory willing to work with us said theyd quote on our items while showing us around the facility. When our guide accidentally led us full-circle, we caught their product team copying our patterns and that was the end of our sourcing trip."
mircea_popescu: recast of 5000 units per style was daily output for these guys."
mircea_popescu: We added a line of jersey basics to our denim line, packed up our lives, ended the lease on our house, loaded our portfolios and patterns into suitcases and boarded a plane for Malaysia, where I had some contacts in the manufacturing industry. At one factory after another, we were wooed by the boss, we got the grand tour, we were asked our volume projections
. and we were shown the door. Our (very inflated) annual fo
mircea_popescu: "So we decided to wholesale, on the condition we could establish a cost-effective supply chain. This might all seem like a juvenile, ill-informed, poorly researched, gamble. And it was mostly, but I heard an irrepressible voice day and night,asking what if it works?
mircea_popescu: "Why did we launch with 12 million variants? Because we thought we needed to. Would the market have been happy to customise just the length? If we’d done proper validation, we would have known, that yes, it would have been happy — thrilled even. It only became apparent, too late, that 90% of our orders were for very typical jeans from atypically tall women. Stonewashed stovepipes with a 36-inch leg, anyone?"
mircea_popescu: see ? the women are okay.
mircea_popescu: s hours, and when I went off to a night job managing a restaurant, shed code, with Sex and the City for company, until 1 or 2am when I stumbled in again from night shift."
mircea_popescu: All of them said the site we wanted was impossible, apart from one who quoted upward of $40k for build, excluding the photography and image editing that would be needed. At this stage we only had $20k total capital for the entire venture — sampling, pattern making, inventory and production. So my co-founder taught herself to code. She worked day and night — we did all the operational planning during busines
mircea_popescu: customers needed to see exactly what they were going to get.
mircea_popescu: "Partnering with a uni friend, we pitched our concept to a whole bunch of web developers we knew. The challenge we posed was that it couldnt be customisation by drop-down list or radio buttons (solutions we were offered repeatedly). This was 2005. We needed to show customers high-quality photographic customisation, where every selection changes your product. Custom-made product required a strict no-refund policy, so
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: funnily i loved it as a kid, then did not have it for some years, and now can no longer stand it
asciilifeform: rather like a sort of inverted dope addiction
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 19:04:16; punkman: mircea_popescu: more along the lines of "Why don't you try being a gluten-tard? Might be just the thing for you"
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352205 << the beautiful magic involved here is that it is ~actually possible~ to, in some cases, give yourself various dietarytardisms by 'trying'
mircea_popescu: rly in those bars without being there. It quickly become a distraction to our operations in San Francisco."
mircea_popescu: "We hired a local operations manager in Denver (Sasha Juliard) and soon launched at Shotgun Willies (the highest-grossing strip club in CO) and two other bars. We made about $1,200 on each deal (50% went to DexOne, we spent $800 on each launch event and we had $500 in hardware costs), this was the only sales revenue Flowtab ever made. We were tightening up our sales process, but it was hard to market ourselves prope
punkman: mircea_popescu: more along the lines of "Why don't you try being a gluten-tard? Might be just the thing for you"
mircea_popescu: they just move on. say to mexico.
asciilifeform: somebody oughta drag them, kicking and screaming, to washington, and make'em live here
asciilifeform: quite like other post-sov folks
asciilifeform: incidentally, maslennikov derisively cites kgb indoctrination ('in the west, yes, they pay you 5k usd/mo, but most of it will be spent on house and medicine') as if it were somehow false
punkman: I saw gluten-free bread in the local bakery earlier this year. The only bread that had a brochure and brand-name. Didn't last long.
asciilifeform: hey, to an illiterate cave dweller all voodoo is the same, aluminum airplane or straw airplane
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you're wondering why the figure's so low (srsly, palantir raises 200mn, whatsap sells for 20bn ?), the reason'd be that most of this has to be actual turkey buying dollars.
mircea_popescu: wordpress themes TECHNOLOGY ?
mircea_popescu: "1. No team. Its really hard to do a startup by yourself, especially if youre a non-technical founder. No kidding, right? However, being non-technical wasnt my excuse since WordPress came to the rescue and I basically bought the development through using cost-effective themes."
mircea_popescu: tellingly, the nut in there ALSO thought time was the true issue. because hey, everyone's time is valuable now, in lalaland.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, usg unzips wallet and http://www.wsj.com/articles/palantir-technologies-raises-further-200-million-1450920952
mircea_popescu: "More importantly, it does a terrible job of giving people like me actual relevant information for gluten free: Does the restaurant train its staff? Do they have separate cutters for their gluten free pizza? Are they flexible and accommodating? Do they have a separate gluten free menu? What ingredients do they use? etc."
mircea_popescu: "|Yes, Yelp has a tag for gluten free but it only has 44 restaurants in San Francisco with that tag (do it yourself if you dont believe me and NYC actually has double the number of restaurants tagged gluten-free), which is a very low and deceiving number."
mircea_popescu: While I know there might be a possibility I could hustle incredibly hard and try to set up partnerships, the time investment required far outweighed the already incredibly slim chances of generating revenue."
mircea_popescu: "I didnt want a startup, but an actual business that generates revenue, and Cusoy would not fulfill that personal goal for me without a full-time team, 1-2+ years of funding, multiple years of hard work (3-5+ years at the very least?) trying to answer the if/when questions of whether or not Cusoy could make money (very expensive questions too, might I add not only in money but time, my most valuable asset).
mircea_popescu: by the time your country has failed to the degree tsa exists, you ARE bee. whether you're ready to admit this or not is entirely in your own mind.
asciilifeform: and other man-as-bee apparatus
asciilifeform: also mircea_popescu would make a first-class army recruiter... for the old jp army! the one where you got one of these, http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/jp_tankhunters/fig1_japanese_lunge_mine_antitank.jpg
assbot: Logged on 26-07-2014 18:48:15; asciilifeform: this is why i simply don't get people who continue to think of their relationship with the u.s. court system in legal, rather than military, terms.
mircea_popescu: it will alright. for as long as TSA disputes end up in federal court rather than in burning baltimore, it'll be thinking right about how well being naughty works for its goals.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, so the guy rewards the naughty child with attention in the hopes it'll stimulate it to... think about how it's been naughty ?
mircea_popescu: "Goods final sale price down to $425 million, less than half of the companys $1.1 billion private valuation. The paperwork also showed that Goods board had turned down an $825 million cash offer just six months earlier, in March."
asciilifeform: trb needs a 'db in the usual, general sense' like it needs a gene sequencer.
mircea_popescu: and amusingly enough they can't actually block it.
mircea_popescu: "r. In an investor document about the sale that was distributed to shareholders, employees discovered their Good stock was valued at 44 cents a share, down from $4.32 a year earlier. In contrast, preferred stock owned by Goods venture capitalists was worth almost seven times as much, more than $3 a share."
ben_vulpes: why the everloving fuck would trb care about rtrees
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 14:25:03; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351549 << we don't need a db in the usual, general sense. we need an indexer for the things we need an indexer for.
asciilifeform: seems like they only ban t3rr0r1stz!!111
assbot: When a Unicorn Start-Up Stumbles, Its Employees Get Hurt - The New York Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1mCjwSQ )
punkman: still there for me
mircea_popescu: and all the talking heads i fucked to date were not common prostitutes but journalists and so forth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we don't have sql in there now. this was re: the notion of using sqlite.
asciilifeform: 'if two trains meet one another on a track, neither shall move until the other has passed.' (supposedly from a 1880s american state law)
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (why the everliving fuck should there be a sql interpreter in the binary? or runtime interpretation of hardcoded sql proggies ???!!!) << because at the time satoshbi made it he didn't have a clear design document and the usg stoolies anchored themselves on such chinks in the armor to "extend" and so forth.
mircea_popescu: "To pay those taxes, some employees emptied savings accounts and borrowed money." << ahaha loot at the cute chumps!
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> lulzy, nyt reads the logz and rips off mircea_popescu's summaries <<< then forgets to mention this, muppets sit around and wonder who could this guy be etc.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> 'cnn' hosts spam now ?? <<< the "mainstream media" is sinking, and has been, for twenty years now. there is no bottom for them.
asciilifeform: (why the everliving fuck should there be a sql interpreter in the binary? or runtime interpretation of hardcoded sql proggies ???!!!)
asciilifeform: 'The Internal Revenue Service levied taxes on some employees when their Good stock was still considered a valuable asset and worth multiples of what they actually received. One persons tax bill came to more than $80,000, while another paid more than $150,000....'
punkman: asciilifeform: it does say on the tin that it's not great when you want many concurrent writers
asciilifeform: '...a private company with a valuation of more than $1 billion. The high valuation increased the paper value of employee shares and thus the income tax bills levied on their stock when they received the stock grants, or when they bought and sold shares. To pay those taxes, some employees emptied savings accounts and borrowed money.'
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 14:49:21; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351721 << it is a turd and barely works for the purpose it was designed for. and NO MOTHERFUCKING SQL in bitcoin
punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351819 << wasn't trying to say that we need/want sql. but as far as dbs go, I've always found sqlite to be a reliable tool and there's no reasonable alternative for most of my use cases. I've never looked at the source, so no comments there.
asciilifeform: he boards preferred stock was worth almost the same as all 227 million common shares outstanding.'
asciilifeform: 'Investors and executives generally get protections in a start-up that employees do not. Many investors have preferred stock, a class of shares that can come with a guaranteed payout. Executives frequently get special bonuses so they will not leave during deal talks. ... In contrast, start-up employees generally own common stock, whose payout comes only after those who hold preferred shares get their money. In Goods case, t
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/27/technology/when-a-unicorn-start-up-stumbles-its-employees-get-hurt.html << lulzy, nyt reads the logz and rips off mircea_popescu's summaries
asciilifeform: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/22/world/asia/china-landslide-shenzhen.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=1 << after reading this, hard to doubt that here, just as in the chem factory explosion, usg was involved
asciilifeform: it sucked pretty hard, by his own admission, but he insists that it saved ru central bank from total annihilation (plague of fake transfers in the '90s by chechens)
asciilifeform: http://aklepov.com/index.php?page=elektronika-mk-85c-en << finally found an english www describing the thing maslennikov (author of earlier b00k) built
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 15:13:51; asciilifeform: ;;later tell phf http://mikhailmasl.livejournal.com/4852.html << mega-b00k. afaik never published in dead tree. the only known memoir of mathematician working in kgb, lived through the '90s no less. the fella who designed that crackpot calculator for central bank.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351837 << mega-b00k describes a kgb legend: the first man who explained to beria how otp is provably 'perfect'-secure, was allowed to leave lubyanka - but at the door they took his employee pass
mircea_popescu: sure sure, but finding is the easier part.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the guy wasn't exactly dumb, and the problem itself is not exactly trivial.
asciilifeform: this is what happens to folks innocent of mathematics
mircea_popescu: it didn't work (imo the best summary of the problem is - they ran into recursive cyclic graphs and couldn't recover)
asciilifeform: in the fyootoor (tm) shrinks will have a specially-crafted conlang for describing the thought processes of madness
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except that's the local symbolic name for the global that's HER OWN FUCKING GAZE\
asciilifeform: rather than because missing cuntcover
asciilifeform: the exception is thrown because 'disgusting male gaze' or whatever it was called
asciilifeform: these selfsame folks will happily pose topless, or opencunted, etc. ~in the right place~
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's a font of endless amusement to me, how the limits of people's heads reside in people's heads to much obviousness for everyone but the limited in question.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck else is this FUCKING EQUALITARIAN, huh ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, this chick's been rather obsessed with me for a while now. hey sciencehatesyou... i'll pay for your tits you know ? just like everyone's else.
mircea_popescu: "This guy barely ekes out a living wage in Romania. Rule #1 in building a cult of personality is to pose as if you're raking in the cash, no matter how poor you are. But any idiot can see that (a) this guy cannot even travel to the US because of the legal problems with MPEX, (b) he makes no money from any source, and (c) he's a loser."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1352012 << welcome to the club of everybody else who buys reversing. even usg has mega-sh0rt4g3z
mircea_popescu: i'm a fundamentalist rather than a realist at heart. who knew.
asciilifeform: again the more realistic scenario is 1bt of 'plausible optimization!111' that lets you spray in the 512
asciilifeform: don't expect a 100kB turd in there.
mircea_popescu: i have exactly no faith in this theory.
mircea_popescu: i meant in the specific sense of thompson's compiler.
asciilifeform: (the ~4MB elf we get from a rotor run)
asciilifeform: which is, dredging through the actual bin
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351997 << this brings us to another thing i've been doing for past 6 mo. or so
mircea_popescu: ah, you went into the guts ?
mircea_popescu: at the rate we're going tho...
asciilifeform: (pinning down gcc in the killing jar)
asciilifeform: the solution to which is arduous but in no sense mysterious
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the issues come from retarded compiler
asciilifeform: but yes, you could theoretically implement in whatever shell. my original attempt at 'v' (unpublished) was in awk & sed
trinque: sounds like a type of shell script, where one can perform-action then check-hash-of-state, then continue or die
asciilifeform: (gnumake does not know, or care, what the actual binaries it ends up with at whatever step were)
asciilifeform: 'v' is meant as a general sane solution to the 'must-x-before-y' problem
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351968 << and incidentally, this is probably a good time to point out that 'v' as it is presently seen is not the most generalized treatment of the subject
trinque: but gotta get them from somewhere
asciilifeform: the whole 'load from net' paradigm for builds is imho sad
asciilifeform: aha except that it oughtn't load anything from the net if the necessary file is in a local distfiles dir
trinque: so outermost makefile would do what this script is doing, then call a rotor makefile.
asciilifeform: it would build ITEMS OF SPECIFIC HASH rather than name
trinque: the above is just about 4-5 lines tweaked
asciilifeform: for one thing, that would let you cache the www turds locally
trinque: http://deedbot.org/build-bitcoind-151224.sh << made minor changes such that there's a build dir and binary's crapped into bin in the current dir
mircea_popescu: the guy's expensive shirts make an incredible situation with the "we couldn't afford a hotel room so we paid the porter to let us use the utility closet" thing
mircea_popescu: and i'm not overstating the screaming, onctuous poverty they're in one little bit. have you seen the footage from that meeting of perry with random nobody in ukraina, that took place in a room smaller than the very cramped table ?
asciilifeform: nor the entire floor (!) of ua parliament bldg devoted to cia
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform im not terribly sure avbout that. for one thing, the us is poor these days. for the other, it's always been perfidious, and the blown nuke plants are perhaps more valuable to it.
mircea_popescu: either you cool it or it cools you.
mircea_popescu: mod6 understant, there's no "turned off the universe" switch. whether you have "an use" for it or not, teh sun's still gonna shine, and the radioactive will still decay.
asciilifeform: at any rate, usg has quite likely already sent the same disassembly squads they used in bulgaria
mod6: ya, makes sense. sucks if you can't afford to buy the coal or what not
asciilifeform: mod6: they do though
mod6: 'NPPs require power all the time'
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351909 << from the standpoint of the other fella, turning on your fellow soldiers ~is~ a psychotic act
mod6: thestringpuller ^
mod6: i looked for 'environment' in the code -- didn't find any relevant matches as far as I can tell: http://dpaste.com/1QDGFPN.txt
mod6: should do the trick.
mod6: once you have a 'bitcoin.conf' in place in either ~/.bitcoin or '-datadir' with an 'rpcuser' & 'rpcpassword': `LC_ALL=C ./bitcoind -myip=127.0.0.1 -connect 173.73.235.152 -verifyall &`
mod6: thestringpuller: did you ever git your bitcoind up and going?
mircea_popescu: who was the classical general that busted his own face, pretended his king did it, went to the enemies who bought it and then raped them in their sleep ?