mircea_popescu: right off the top of my head : both medical diagnostics and inventory management should be run off v.
BingoBoingo: locally I hear Wordperfect is rather popular
punkman: mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' <<< no small part of why it's a joke. << which country does not use Word?
ben_vulpes: a PDF with changes conveniently color coded underlined and colorized to highlight moved text, removed text, added text and umpteen other categories of change.
ben_vulpes: you know what the absolute cherry on top is?
ben_vulpes: mother
mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes' <<< no small part of why it's a joke.
ben_vulpes extremely fucking loath to hire us degree holders under the age of forty
ben_vulpes: leading to a great fuckton of "this corporate document is insufficiently sensitive to groups x y and z, and even though i'm not a part of any of them the corp must now change these docs or else what have i wasted the past n years of my life on anyways"
ben_vulpes: a thing once a hallmark of literally the 98th percentile is now distributed to more-or-less all comers, but the education is now 90% training people to demand the respect such a diploma'd have warranted in the 1900s and 10% intersectional triggering studies
ben_vulpes: "And in the 20th century there were more and more college graduates. They increased from about 2% of the population in 1900 to about 25% in 2000." << if this is true, it definitely explains the PITA that "college educated" people are in the states.
adlai: it's much sleepier than this place, there have been ~weeks with pretty much no activity
ben_vulpes: well with bandwidth like that any noise at all would snipe it from the list
adlai considers it one of the higher SNR #bitcoin-channels
ben_vulpes: adlai: i might understand how it works, but i thought there might be...learning to had lurking over there.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 16:14:26; mircea_popescu: and there's a tie-in here about how all systems should fail deadly anyway, and consequently "timestamps" are not even allowed in the design because no way to enforce them.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1359041 << while in theory there is no way to enforce them in practice there is no alternative to the gpg c-ball, and so therefore similarly to how the thing resists librarification it also enforces key expiration. until mpex doesn't respect key expiration, it /is/ enforced.
adlai: it's moderately documented in the code itself and on github. if you want to learn from belcher why he tangled the spaghetti just so, lurk around until he shows up
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai is there really something to learn in #joinmarket?
ben_vulpes was astonished to learn the american legal system runs on word and has ultimate faith in 'track changes'
ben_vulpes is cobbling together some grep and sed as we speak to ease the pain of handling fiatland contracts
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:09:41; mircea_popescu: the less said, the less possibility of misunderstanding, which is why the main quality of a contract is being brief. the fewer venues communication may occur in, the fewer indecidable problems you'll meet. this rly is not rocket science.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358897 << amen, especially to the contracting bit.
thestringpuller: "Since 0.11B we have added systemd init scripts to make sure that the node will be started and auto-restarted if you reboot. The systemd bitcoinxtd.service registers the XT based daemon for autostart."
BingoBoingo: No matter how much hair is lost to polishing trb, let us all be thankful trb will nevar have these solutions: https://archive.is/a48Ko
thestringpuller: well Blizzard is known for turning games into digital crack of some sort. some people get highly addicted despite how shitty the game is and stay hooked for years. It's not really a viable gameplay model, more just "here is some crack have fun".
mircea_popescu: which for some reason everyone decided to copy for a while there.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: re: quests << I think the quests you were thinking of in regards to Eulora logs are grind quests which contribute nothing to the gameplay but dungeon crawling/grinding. Get X something by killing Y something. But complex quests that add story are kinda key to singleplayer games. Be it robbing banks in GTA and listening to characters talk in the car; finding your son in Fallout 4; or finding your family in Red De
mircea_popescu: if i ever write a book about nazi camps etc, the evil guy's dogs are gonna be named ordnung ^ disziplin
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mircea_popescu: o great. that may be the happiest that word's ever been.
ascii_rear: the very sweet lure of zapping 'buluceala'
mircea_popescu: people think it's a major breakthrough in money, but that's doubtful. it is however a string of major breakthroughs in systems theory.
mircea_popescu: this is really the revolution bitcoin brought about.
mircea_popescu: and if there isn't a way for your "rule" to be made to satisfy this, a) it's not a rule and b) shut up and do some meditation, you're verging on stupid.
mircea_popescu: "all rules re a key are expressed inside a key such that being ignored breaks the whole thing"
ascii_rear: where all rules re: a key are expressed INSIDE the key
ascii_rear: the statement 'anybody signing with this key after $condition is an impostor' is usefully machine-readable
mircea_popescu: the discussion was that in the specific context of "key expiraton" the "time" part is not terribly relevant for our discussion of multiband. merely the fact that there's another band ductaped on.
mircea_popescu: and note that the discussion wasn't "time is for all time and in all contexts irrelevant".
ascii_rear: but the problem with discarding the notion of time entirely is that enemy can subject you to endless replay attack
ascii_rear: signed statement associating a memorable human name with the signing modulus
ascii_rear: let's take another key field... name of owner. also irrelevant?
mircea_popescu: and there's a tie-in here about how all systems should fail deadly anyway, and consequently "timestamps" are not even allowed in the design because no way to enforce them.
mircea_popescu: that's what makes them 2nd channel.
mircea_popescu: the problem with timestamps is not related to time
mircea_popescu: when following an example you can only reference objects the author included.
ascii_rear: this is the part that confuses me
mircea_popescu: time is irrelevant here and can be deemed as part of the explicitation of "X"
mircea_popescu: because someone somewhere told idiots that the solution to imponderable problems is to add "tagging".
mircea_popescu: no, because for THIS REASON the body of law can not be statically compiled.
ascii_rear: in that universe, it is solved. the solution, in this one, is:
mircea_popescu: imagine for a moment gpg ran the bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: IF (YET ANOTHER EXTRA STEP!!11!) B responds that A's contract should be "set aside" (WHAT ?!?!) because "the law" (2nd band) says that bla bla,
ascii_rear: concretize the meaning of bands here plz
mircea_popescu: bar that i guess i'll have to go into an analysis of contracting legal theory.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:08:41; mircea_popescu: this also illustrates the much larger point of the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous. there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of the key itself. timestamp ? fuck that.
ascii_rear: i still can't fathom who and why thought the pollution was justifiable.
mircea_popescu: as they're not going to import it and well... aha.
ascii_rear: just need to patch gcc to stop it from taking local paths shits into the binary
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 14:31:10; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358806 << the problem is this may run into portability issues way the fuck before it runs into anything else.
shinohai: Spells of Genesis - another Erik Voorhees production.
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BingoBoingo: He's written for just about all the crap outlets except coindesk
shinohai: J.P. Buntinx, " one of the world's leading freelance Bitcoin writers"
mircea_popescu: could go full corset, but given the... rotund quality of most dommes it's too constrictive an' they faint. usually go for demis if at all.
mircea_popescu: a. then who knows.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip : woman that would die to defend her clothes put among a dozen nude damsels will cast off every last stitch like it were radioactive)
shinohai: I linked to the trilema article
mircea_popescu: more like ... boys secure about their penis (it dun work), ready to please in othar ways.
BingoBoingo: feminist is just a code word for boys insecure about their penis
mod6: real subs like the cage!
mircea_popescu: no idea how all these fucktards expect anyone to take them seriously. "oh, i'm a master, that's my slave"
mircea_popescu: lemme tell you - after a decade of "the tallest, the slimest, the hottest chicks at the bdsm party are the ones you brought" it gets fucking old.
shinohai: I very much enjoyed the recent Trilema article
mod6: "get the fuck outta my mailbox or else!"
punkman: "The sandbox games has now become what the 3rd-person shooter was not too long ago, the default setting that tends to get rolled out for generic action games after the creative team have sat around a blank whiteboard all morning and started hankering for an early lunch."
punkman: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/57466-Mad-Max-The-Sandiest-Sand-Box
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mircea_popescu: the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions this way is the only way to make sure that large botnets won't be able to launch further attacks."
mircea_popescu: "For the short term, we will be using BGP communities to attempt to block Asia Pacific, the Middle East, South America, and others, hopefully leaving us only with traffic from North America and Western Europe. Blocking geographic regions this way is the only way to make sure that large botnets won't be able to launch further attacks.For the short term, we will be using BGP communities to attempt to block Asia Pacific,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358830 << fuck them, bunch of twerps. linode has no place in the world.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 06:09:34; thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "quests" are what the shitty AAA titles do to sub in for the fact that their games suck, they are poor and stupid, etc. << uh dafuq? guess someone never played DnD as a kid.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358806 << the problem is this may run into portability issues way the fuck before it runs into anything else.
mircea_popescu: (contract elongation is a direct result of the channel trying to fight against noise in "out of band" communication. take that away, you're golden)
mircea_popescu: the less said, the less possibility of misunderstanding, which is why the main quality of a contract is being brief. the fewer venues communication may occur in, the fewer indecidable problems you'll meet. this rly is not rocket science.
mircea_popescu: this also illustrates the much larger point of the fukctardation of out-of-band communication. it's stupid and dangerous. there should be absolutely no "alternative mechanism" for a key being in any way processed outside of the key itself. timestamp ? fuck that.
mircea_popescu: if gpg were just released today we'd suspect the nsa impacted that stupid design
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358754 << technically speaking, "expiration" is a cheap forking mechanism. it shouldn't be there, it's just a hook for future trouble.
mircea_popescu: i don't do private chats with people i don't know. you want to talk about something, this is the venue.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
adlai is able to load btcalpha - charts, webs, the works
mircea_popescu: tho it's true that i tend to make istanbul the hub of all my travels. that city rocks.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c baby the btcalpha is down what do we do! halp! plox!
okcupiddude: We can get together in istanbul if you are in istanbul and talk abiut what potential businesses we can conduct togetger
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 04:57:20; thestringpuller: ugh all these expired keys is making it impossible to build rotor with the old script
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358733 << "expiring" keys are a bad fucking idea, for the record.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 03:57:31; gabriel_laddel: In other idle wonderings, has anyone known a cat (the animal) with a cocaine habit?
assbot: Logged on 01-01-2016 23:09:07; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/08/s-mpoe-traders-delight/ << hey adlai, you're not the only mpoe/mpex skeptic anymore. the validating power of teh crowd is yours at long last.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=01-01-2016#1358361 << "skeptic"? I don't recall ever denying neither the existence of the exchange nor the fun and [potential] profit of judicious trades
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 02:54:31; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358595 << that there's no berghain equivalent in buenos aires is spectacularly strange
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thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "quests" are what the shitty AAA titles do to sub in for the fact that their games suck, they are poor and stupid, etc. << uh dafuq? guess someone never played DnD as a kid.
ascii_rear: as in, with awareness of what all of the pgpdump fields are, yes
phf: what i meant is something like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/304383. of course each execution of script creates a fresh gnupg keys folder, imports the wot, import from sks if we're going that way, does the operation, kills the gnupg folder
mod6: anyway, yeah, this is the build script that I created for testing the build of 'rotor', TEST2, and the static binary.
mod6: its just the guys key.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 05:01:18; thestringpuller: gpg: Signature made Sun 31 May 2015 05:29:39 PM EDT using DSA key ID 59C36319
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358739 << buildroot is not v-ified, so why do we have the dsa shitkey in there ??
pete_dushenski: aha. "i told mama i'd be a millionaire someday!" says guy with "home equity" and "registered retirement account". so there he stays.
ascii_rear: if there were any danger of usaschwitz inmates escaping on masse to this, lizards would print enough bezzlars to bid'em up to washington price - like in b-a.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 03:36:47; pete_dushenski: "A friend’s place in a small gated courtyard, walking distance to pretty much everything, two bedrooms, 750 square feet, Internet and electricity included, $280 a month." << it's ~exactly~ deals like this that make me scratch my head and wonder who the fuck pays $500-600 to post a professional job listing on 'monster.com' and 'workopolis.com'
phf: contributors. an obvious next step is to have a gpg --verify buildroot.sig rely on the contents of .wot folder, by, for example, making a temp directory, doing a for pubkey in .wot/*.asc; do gpg --homedir $tmpdir --import $pubkey; done, then doing gpg --homedir $tmpdir --verify foo.sig; then rm -rf $tmpdir. this way a .wot folder is a canonical source of pubkeys always and for all operations
phf: i understand all that, and i was explaining that there's no conceptual integrity to it, as it stands. we have a .wot folder which is supposed to be a manually curated folder of <nick>.asc files. there were a few threads where mp and ascii argued that the folder should not be generated automatically (no sks or pre packaged tar files). so if one wants to build a rotor they need a .wot folder with pubkeys of all the foundation
mod6: buiroot is not v-ifiable. so in the rotor+TEST2 build script it was decided (in here) that we should check the hashes and the signatures.
mod6: there is confusion here.
phf: yeah, so the case with mod6's version, after a #b-a thread
ascii_rear: phf: keyring built by v for the occasion
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 02:44:33; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358569 << while the parallel of the more-than-semi-socialist government and the farmer is mostly very apt, a higher mortality rate doesn't have the same downside cost for the former as the latter. the best thing for the usg would be a plague, if only to bring the costs and complexities of managing so much meat into a more (if still ultimately un-)manage
phf: could probably add a subset of foundation related operations to v, so that staging process uses consistent mechanism (to avoid issues like i have the key in .wot but can't seem to verify??)
ascii_rear: was ~the~ msdos almost-commonlisp for years
ascii_rear: brother's, from uni
mod6: <+thestringpuller> will the signed files/patches need to be resigned everytime keys expire? << no. you'll notice that his fp is the same.
phf: thestringpuller: gpg doesn't require that. ascii can update expiration date on the key, republish it, and it'll continue working
mod6: phf the deal here is that the build script tries to verify the pgp sig of buildroot -- which is a process outside of v, so a key needs to be imported directly into the gpg keyring.
thestringpuller: will the signed files/patches need to be resigned everytime keys expire?
phf: thestringpuller: v and gpg --verify use different mechanisms for key management. pgp uses keyrings, v hides keyrings by using .wot folder to store pubkeys as asc files. so when a key expires, your best option really is to fetch a key somehow (???), import it into gpg's keyring so that --verify works AND save it into .wot
mod6: once you've done that, you may wanna clean up and start the build over again.
mod6: you need to import this public key to you keyring -- there is a comment that outlines the keys you need in the top of the script: 0xAB07D806D2CE741FB886EE50B025BA8B59C36319
thestringpuller: the only thing that's changed is the keys. i pulled my old .wot directory to new (more sane) macine
thestringpuller: ugh all these expired keys is making it impossible to build rotor with the old script
gabriel_laddel: The nice thing about the undeveloped east in Ar is that there's plenty of room for concentration camps.
gabriel_laddel: re, lobito. Kill them all.
pete_dushenski: must be hr depts with budgets that must be spent, lest they get chopped the following year since they were 'unneeded' the year prior
pete_dushenski: "A friend’s place in a small gated courtyard, walking distance to pretty much everything, two bedrooms, 750 square feet, Internet and electricity included, $280 a month." << it's ~exactly~ deals like this that make me scratch my head and wonder who the fuck pays $500-600 to post a professional job listing on 'monster.com' and 'workopolis.com'
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lobito: thanks for the chat ^^
lobito: i'd rather not say, sorry :P
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 02:16:31; mircea_popescu: it fucking boggles me. this city has 10x the population of berlin, 0.1% the entertainment venues and this guy actually thinks there "are many" SADLY.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358595 << that there's no berghain equivalent in buenos aires is spectacularly strange
mircea_popescu: lobbes you have to appreciate that marx is a minor thinker. it's not that people've not read it. it's that his output is about as intellectually important as any other diet guru / expert in expertises.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358550 << aha. the fear of coming home from war to find yourself in the 'holy cross hospital ? you mean the second reformed hospital' scene from dr. zhivago
lobito: so, what's your excuse for not having read at least 'the communist manifesto' yet?
lobito: "Marx's work in economics laid the basis for much of the current understanding of labour and its relation to capital, and subsequent economic thought."
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358569 << while the parallel of the more-than-semi-socialist government and the farmer is mostly very apt, a higher mortality rate doesn't have the same downside cost for the former as the latter. the best thing for the usg would be a plague, if only to bring the costs and complexities of managing so much meat into a more (if still ultimately un-)manageable positio
kakobrekla: doesnt happen to me, i get up in the afternoon
ben_vulpes: no, i get that in the mirror every morning
ben_vulpes foiled by the universal abhorrence of symmetry in api design
ben_vulpes: ah well my mistake then
mircea_popescu: that didn't work either!
ben_vulpes: surely not enough of them are missing enough children for the economy to fail to require they all take care of the grandkinder...
mircea_popescu: yeah, i've been kinda suspecting the root of the whole mess is that old women actually dare sit by themselves in sidewalk cafes as if they're people or something.
mircea_popescu: i can't even recommend that everyone under 30 be beaten weekly in the nude in front of the obelsico until things are fixed.
mircea_popescu: and the most annoying thing about this all is that they fucking had a strongarm regime.
ben_vulpes: this strikes me as a not-half-bad strategy: live in poverty for 9 mos, travel (also in poverty, but looking sooper cool) around fucking the young hotties for 1.5, come home and live on someone's couch looking for the next cafe that needs a warm body.
ben_vulpes: this is also why the hipster girls are shaving their temples when they have otherwise rather nice and well-kempt heads. all the hipster boys work in coffee shops 22 hours/wk, and live in poverty to spend their time touring with 'their band'.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the one thing that boggles my mind the most in all this is that none of them seem to realise that yes there's something fucking wrong with not owning a cocktail dress and spending all your time on netflix.
lobito: yeah, me neither
mircea_popescu: otherwise... i don't think he'd spit on argentina if it were on fire or something.
mircea_popescu: messi is a spanish dude that's pretending to not piss on you lot for the endorsements.
lobito: sorry for being in the third world, i guess?
mircea_popescu: lobbes and any of them could fit in a suitcase.
lobito: but there are a few famous ones
mircea_popescu: you should be ashamed of yourself then.
mircea_popescu: gold help it, i hope to hell macri sells the country to the russians wholesale, argentines get massacred and we start over with actual people or something.
mircea_popescu: it fucking boggles me. this city has 10x the population of berlin, 0.1% the entertainment venues and this guy actually thinks there "are many" SADLY.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it was prolly the cheapo thing, salta y brasil.
ben_vulpes: blondie with a great rack took lady v and myself to a mega club when we were there. name completely slips my memory, but it was a giant reggaeton/cumbia shitshow palace. no fuckrooms, all concrete
lobito: there are many, sadly :P
mircea_popescu: a club is a space dedicated to sluts being as close as naked as possible and to keeping young cocks of the type that work in co-ops mostly out. it should be no less than 1k sq meters floor surface with no less than two levels.
mircea_popescu: that's the size of a fucking lobby.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 01:17:07; pete_dushenski: i guess that a forced vaccine seems like a pound of flesh too far, but on the other hand, when you already have income tax and sales tax and inflation tax and etc etc. maybe not ?
mircea_popescu: you know ? whole fucking country has garages the size of discos and otherwise clubs the size of a closet.
lobito: but there are!
mircea_popescu: a disco that is the size of a garage.
mircea_popescu: is it mental retardation in the young ?
mircea_popescu: can you explain to me what the fuck is wrong with argentines ? there is not a single fucking club in this entire town.
lobito: to solve the unjustice of a boss getting rich from overworked employees
lobito: that's the idea behind faircoop :P you have said it earlier
mircea_popescu: that's the idea neh ? chicks that don't shave and scrape by a meager existence raising chickens supplemented with gathering trash. it's self-fussicient, provided someone keeps producing trash.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 01:07:01; lobito: faircoin is a bitcoin-based currency for the faircoop project
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358429 << holyfuck am i the only one who r
ascii_rear: parents sold their worldly goodz for gaussheadz
ascii_rear: i still recall the gauss head
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... the notion that anything ro made would be shit was pervasive, so it was self-obvious
assbot: Logged on 01-01-2016 23:28:50; pete_dushenski: but should jimmy also have to pay for the ~actual~ cost of his grade school education just because he didn't get the vaccine ? only if his parents also opted out of taxes, i say, which since this isn't the future, i don't see that also happening (yet)
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-01-2016#1358375 << how d'you propose to price the damage to herd immunity?
ascii_rear: incidentally did ro have these adhoc names for kinds of sov money ?
mircea_popescu: if you were one of the people trading dollars etc.
mircea_popescu: notrly. moscow was pretty fun in the 80s
ascii_rear: only in the same sense that a sinking tanker makes empirestate bldg taller
mircea_popescu: (yes, they tried)
mircea_popescu: this is like the spanish protecting themselves from piracy by "narrowing the manners in which ships sail"
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 01:22:43; mircea_popescu: fundamentally, fiat banking requires the world economy to work as a closed system. once bitcoin's on the table... forget it.
ascii_rear: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-01-2016#1358489 << more than one way to make the closedsystem... sya, narrow the class of what bezzle buys (i.e. not isis arms AND not-btc..)
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pete_dushenski: http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2015/12/29/the-eu-was-hitlers-idea-apparently/ << more quotes from same book
pete_dushenski: http://blogs.harvard.edu/philg/2015/12/30/national-socialist-and-lover/ << quotes from 'goebbels : a biography' are notbad, definitely saves you $20 for the hardcover
mircea_popescu: fundamentally, fiat banking requires the world economy to work as a closed system. once bitcoin's on the table... forget it.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski iirc point was even discussed in the logs. it's how banking ends.
pete_dushenski: "From 2006 to 2008, Duran took out 68 commercial and personal loans from a total of 39 banks with no guarantees or property as collateral. He had no intention of repaying the debts, and used the money to finance various anti-capitalist movements" << why more people don't do this ~exact same thing~ to buy bitcoin is a wonder
lobito: he thinks the current economic system's unfair
mircea_popescu: o brother.
lobito: have you read the communist manifesto?
pete_dushenski: i guess that a forced vaccine seems like a pound of flesh too far, but on the other hand, when you already have income tax and sales tax and inflation tax and etc etc. maybe not ?
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be some balancing somehow.
mircea_popescu: anyway. there;s clearly a trend for overvaccination. too young, for one thing ; all sorts of pointless, spurious shit. what drives it is the twin beast of merck wants profits and random derp thinks that if a drink is good ten drinks should be better.
pete_dushenski: ^start there, lobito
pete_dushenski: in the case of mosquitoes
mircea_popescu: you mean in the case of polio ?
mircea_popescu: ymmv, but political thinking re vaccines is of the same category.
assbot: Logged on 02-01-2016 00:53:49; mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> re: vaccinations as a barrier to entry for government subsidies for children, it seems to me that parents who choose not to vaccinate their children should be on the hook for any adverse eventualities of that decision <<< this stance is nonsensical in that the more notable adverse eventualities are also externalities.
mircea_popescu: maybe start your journey by looking into the lulzy story of that garza nitwit. should be instructive.
lobito: the press :P
mircea_popescu: "they".
mircea_popescu: yeah, the dwarf is probably all into it\
lobito: faircoin is a bitcoin-based currency for the faircoop project
mircea_popescu: "So, in order to address this issue, some of the Bitcoin developers have joined hands with the makers of the widely used BTCsuite and are now building their own new digital currency called DECRED." << except a) nobody fucking uses "btcsuite" and b) who was this again ? they keep avoiding actually naming those "developers".
lobito: *left the project
mircea_popescu: is this the new scamcoin usg folks are going to bless us with after the demise of xt ?
lobito: i wanted to lurk around to see if anyone brings the subject
mircea_popescu: <pete_dushenski> re: vaccinations as a barrier to entry for government subsidies for children, it seems to me that parents who choose not to vaccinate their children should be on the hook for any adverse eventualities of that decision <<< this stance is nonsensical in that the more notable adverse eventualities are also externalities.
shinohai: oh wait, that makes sense. but jeez, thats almost as bad as the girls that fought over fried chicken.
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> BingoBoingo: "is still to late to be the "Wall Street" of Bitcoin." << one of these to/too/twos is not like the other << fxd