asciilifeform: sorta like the lack of coin control in bitcoin
asciilifeform: it is in the attempt to divorce the abstraction of what the user is doing from the actual rsa (moduli)
mircea_popescu: they're "your picture"
mircea_popescu: "subkey" belongs exactly in the same pile "expiration date" belongs in
asciilifeform: anyone recall how mircea_popescu spewed chunks when i pointed out that he's been signing with a subkey and not with the magical modulus ?
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 21:58:41; Tomiii: so what are the main technical differences between this room, and an invite-ony group-chat on FB, Telegram, etc?
BingoBoingo: I don't think I covered any thing about the subkeys in mine. One of the things passed around before that LOVED subkeys.
asciilifeform: but everybody (with the apparent sole exception of asciilifeform) is doing the whole 'no expire date' thing
asciilifeform: and other threadz
assbot: Logged on 24-09-2015 06:18:08; mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: one example of something which Must Die is 'subkeys' << absolutely. i have no fucking idea what chickenbrain thought that's a thing. "o hey, you know what this chevy is made out of ? chevys! because they didn;'t get me that lego set when i was nine and now im fucked in the head."
assbot: encrypting to a user, "There is no assurance this key belongs to the named user" | GnuPG | users ... ( http://bit.ly/1O7qHsZ )
asciilifeform: with EITHER key
kakobrekla: anyway, works for other keys in keyring
kakobrekla: but nevertheless currently working verification is odd
asciilifeform: while using the key i pasted earlier (exported directly from my pgptron) does not.
asciilifeform: though, interestingly, importing the 3TH7E2K.txt yields a warning, 'gpg: no ultimately trusted keys found'
kakobrekla: the copy - expired
asciilifeform: pubkey same as the one you had earlier ?
asciilifeform: i can only conclude that the problem exists on kakobrekla's side (gpg config?)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: did you post the pubkey you currently have for me ?
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 23:18:07; phf: with some effort and towards certain purpose you could host aspects of b-a on top of say a private facebook group (see recent stenography thread), but the illusion that something like b-a already exists there is what gives facebook pretense to relevance.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 21:22:32; thestringpuller: and roberto (debian wheezy pointing at jessie packages) blows up still when using bitcoind
phf: with some effort and towards certain purpose you could host aspects of b-a on top of say a private facebook group (see recent stenography thread), but the illusion that something like b-a already exists there is what gives facebook pretense to relevance.
phf: see for example http://trilema.com/2014/the-forum-and-its-implementation/, http://trilema.com/2015/time-to-rehash-that-old-strategic-superiority-discussion/, http://trilema.com/2012/gpg-contracts/
phf: b-a on the other hand relies on the fact that we control the subtrate, and can defend it sufficiently. the log, blogs and services are hosted on own machines, developed to own requirements to reflect an evolving set of ideas of how this place is supposed to run.
phf: in "social media" the mechanism of mediation is entirely controlled by platform owners. nothing even remotely similar could be produced on top of facebook, because it would get snuffed in its infancy, with undesirable behaviors eliminated through technical or policy changes.
trinque: Tomiii: the fundamental difference was pointed out to you already
Tomiii: davout: yes, like trinque said: IRC isn't invented for "the sole purpose of feeding advertising"
trinque: Tomiii: social media is a matter of contriving a reason for people to "interact" on a given site for the sole purpose of feeding them advertising.
Tomiii: so what are the main technical differences between this room, and an invite-ony group-chat on FB, Telegram, etc?
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
Tomiii: mircea_popescu: i was given voice by the members here
Tomiii: thestringpuller: Huh? isn't IRC technically "social media" ?
Tomiii: thestringpuller: that sounds pessimistic :P
thestringpuller: Tomiii: Nothing good every came from an FB post. It capitalizes on the demand for stupidity, which apparently the masses love.
pete_dushenski: "Self absorbed by a culture that no longer exist in the civilised
Tomiii: thestringpuller: FB already has payments
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 21:28:08; thestringpuller: Social media is the killer app for bitcoin. << uh huh.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360385 <<< ask changetip how well that works for them
thestringpuller: Which is ironic since all of Facebook's investor meetings are focused on some weird vision that Facebook will become the "center of the internet". A vision where you log into Facebook and you consume all internet content from there.
thestringpuller: Social media is the killer app for bitcoin. << uh huh.
thestringpuller: there is like devuan now
thestringpuller: the debian community actually split because of it
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: why not order hdd online ?
thestringpuller: Also didn't get to go to microcenter to get a new hard drive for big 'ol blockchain, these tards want to make even bigger.
pete_dushenski: i thought sinus season was in the spring
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: that's why instagram is ~successful~, as least in terms of userbase, which'd be the only metric sv can conceive of
BingoBoingo: For some reason they started generating a lot of noise this weekend. Bunch of derps yelling BUY and such.
BingoBoingo: Speaking of... Anybody know what's going on with Junk Bonds right now and how it means the fiat order is doomed?
pete_dushenski: !up thestringpuller
assbot: BitBet - Washington Redskins will win more 2015 season games than they lose :: 1.08 B (20%) on Yes, 4.3 B (80%) on No | closed 20 hours 48 minutes ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1INh461 )
pete_dushenski: https://bitbet.us/bet/1172/washington-redskins-will-win-more-2015-season-games/#c5483 << dayum. the injuns pulled it off.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 07:46:16; punkman: "Confidential data from maritime industry insiders based on engine size and the quality of fuel typically used by ships and cars shows that just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars." << and the warmingtards are worried about VW
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1359960 << lol lemme guess, these kids think 'pollution' is carbon but nox is just 'inconvenient' ? either way, kinda funny how non-oil freight shipping is in trouble atm and the 'evil carbon' payloads are the only profitable cargo.
copypaste: and further - i've read your essays about dead books, you can simply put the merchant onto the trash heap. although i'd rather it not be placed there
mircea_popescu: at any rate, history dun even enter into it. the thing's broken for no good reason.
mircea_popescu: motherfucker
mircea_popescu: ""People want to hear about how bitcoin can help fight poverty. Talking about how some guy is getting rich? The audience in the West is not really interested in that." heh, the audience of Taylillevi5's might not wish to know about it. but they are fucking irrelevant to any discussion of anything whatsoever.
mircea_popescu realises with unmitigated horror that now he's going to have to rewrite the fucking merchant of venice
assbot: Indian Muslim accused of beef smuggling beaten to death | World news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG5ER6 )
copypaste: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/16/indian-muslim-accused-beef-smuggling-beaten-to-death
copypaste: perhaps the same cow
copypaste: a cow to lick his dick and another cow to marry
copypaste: in india the cow is sacred after all - that's every indian nobleman's dream
mircea_popescu: copypaste small computers may have their uses, but 70% of the iphone is the touch sensitive screen, if you'rer going to spend the money might as well put more % of it towards buying thew actual small computer you wanted.
copypaste: and "nobody" does do it because apple both makes it difficult and it makes no economic sense, an iphone is essentially a rasberry pi with a screen and so on - small computers have their uses
copypaste: you could run linux on the Nintendo DS
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag for my curiosity, what's the desktop equivalent of the shits, do you happen to know ?
ascii_butugychag: at any rate i can't see how this relates, nobody compiles on motherfucking phone
copypaste: mircea_popescu: to use an iphone as a GPC, you first have to jailbreak it; which requires reverse engineering, which requires breaking the USG DMCA anti-circumvention law
mircea_popescu: using the box as a general purpose computer is illegal << what ?
ascii_butugychag: and afaik they don't sell any where it is epoxied in, you can unscrew the case and remove all you like
copypaste: depending on the manufacturer
copypaste: apple also ships boxes where the batteries cannot be removed and where in less free countries using the box as a general purpose computer is illegal
copypaste: clang claims to be gcc? the things people do for "compatibility"
ascii_butugychag: and: 'We recently added testing with clang, which resulted in lots of new failures. These are not caused by GMP bugs, but rather by clang bugs, or on some case by compatibility problems between GCC and clang (the latter claims to be GCC and thereby is assumed to be compatible). It is in most cases not possible for the GMP team to resolve this situation. For now, avoid clang if you care about correctness.'
ascii_butugychag: meanwhile... 'Spurious check failures happen for machines without ECC memory. Of our test systems, all machines with Intel CPUs as well as some AMD low-end systems lack ECC. This is a result of that AMD supports ECC generally while Intel only supports ECC for Xeon CPUs relying on more expensive motherboards. But the GMP project is struggling to afford even the cheapest hardware.'
mircea_popescu: guy had to do a travesti because that's what a comedy was at the time. the situation of true romance is very similar : compare tarantino's own cut with the bullshit the studio released.
copypaste: so we're in agreement then, even Shakespeare, one of the so called greats, pandered often in his plays for "widespread appeal"
mircea_popescu: copypaste i think it's nonsensical pandering and not really worth the mention.
copypaste: i just found it odd how you skipped the end is all
copypaste: contract is unenforceable and goes on to seize all of the merchant's money or however it goes
assbot: The Most Serene Republic, and its laws. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1PG4vJb )
copypaste: also, mircea_popescu, if i may ask you what you think of the end of the Merchant of Venice, in this article http://trilema.com/the-most-serene-republic-and-its-laws you quote a good portion of it, but skip the end of the proceedings where the out of town lawyer is invited in and (nonsensically, in a deus ex machina way, in my opinion) determines that blood is not part of one's flesh and therefore the
copypaste: if the best fiat can buy is such a poor understanding of bitcoin, we really have nothing to worry about
thestringpuller: USG is doing the disinformation thing in Bitcoin
mircea_popescu: !up thestringpuller
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that supplied with the choice of "enforce this hag's worldview" or "enforce mp's worldview", young women tend to prefer the latter.
mircea_popescu: i have no doubt that yes, if we wish for her heavily indebted persona to be evenr marginally sustainable then yeah, i OUGHT to be unattractive etc.
mircea_popescu: yeah well... good luck and all that, but it seems i'm discussing the is and she the ought.
ascii_butugychag: she 'knows' in the same sense priest 'knows' sinner is hell-bound
mircea_popescu: pasted material being point in case, the woman "just knows" that i'm not attractive, notwithstanding that i'm willing to bet that's the most popular profile on the entire site, and what the fuck would she know about what gets teeny sluts hot anyway ?!
mircea_popescu: there seems to be a pervasive meta-conviction that so and so, but i have never yet encountered the thing it purports as a practical matter. as best i can determine it's just another fashion, self-induced. people have read "on the internet" that the government hid elvis in hoffa's urinary tract and so now "everyone thinks so".
ascii_butugychag: naturally. we all look like ants from the porthole of mircea_popescu's atomic dirigible
ascii_butugychag: and mircea_popescu may be confusing 'is' and 'ought' - the woman's place-in-the-world is something quite like titled nobility, as it is
mircea_popescu: see something like that, say something like that for crying out loud. how the fuck are they to know when they're out of line if you never tell 'em ?
mircea_popescu: and honestly, i blame you dumb fucks. that dumbass lived her entire life without anyone ever telling her what her place in the world is, i'm ready to bet. it's a shameful fucking situation.
mircea_popescu: heh i dunno, the sound of derp having an aneurism.
mircea_popescu: that aside, men have been feeding women since before hammurabi. but, much like the matter of charity, structural differences make the difference.
mircea_popescu: this is the situation of proletarians moved into kulak dwellings, heating themselves with the imported french furniture.
mircea_popescu: the marked similarities with the legal notion and cultural mores of the decaying roman empire, and the strict disjunction from the legal notions and cultural mores of the flourishing roman early republic, or the other republics avaialble gives the story away.
ascii_butugychag: the specimen is typical ?
mircea_popescu: these two work together to produce a very unhappy populace even in the ideal case socialism.
assbot: The SOPS, or what might you expect from government clerks on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mvbDyS )
mircea_popescu: there are two items here. item I : http://trilema.com/2013/the-sops-or-what-might-you-expect-from-government-clerks/#selection-61.0-65.800
ascii_butugychag: then why
mircea_popescu: you recall my explanation as to why any socialism is always and necessarilyt going to be unsatisfactory to the ruled mass ?
mircea_popescu: what the "democratic" socialism needs is exponential. hence its love of "science".
ascii_butugychag: as was the www shitstack
mircea_popescu: for as long as you're committed to not beating the woman, the necessary result is a vicious circle of ever more annoying, lazy bitches.
mircea_popescu: this is not something they can do.
mircea_popescu: you're saying "at some point they'll have to stop marrying progressively more annoying lazy bitches"
mircea_popescu: the coderz are getting progressively dumber as an unavoidable necessity.
ascii_butugychag: yes, at some point they will have to stop using progressively-dumber 'coderz'
mircea_popescu: THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve".
mircea_popescu: i can do the grepping i do on computers as they are. and if they'll be twice as fast i won't notice. like i've not noticed any improvement since the 90s.
mircea_popescu: the point is that we need computing power to increase logarithmically and they need computing power to increase exponentially.
mircea_popescu: the point, mind you, isn't even a "z80" planet. and yes i think that extremely unlikely.
mircea_popescu: but yes : the policy of socialist government is to keep rolling up its failures. until it hits a hard limit.
mircea_popescu: much like walmart died and became the dept of ebt.
mircea_popescu: it means a lot more than that. this fork will come stab them in the eye again and again AND AGAIN.
mircea_popescu: that i crushed them like worms last year doesn't JUST mean i now have gavin's head and yet another painful humiliation inflicted upon usg's asshole.
mircea_popescu: the point however is not this. the point is that... hm, how should it put it so it clicks. looky here : usgavin and his merry cattle troop were not ranting about moore's law for no cause, early on. they represent not some people, not some institutions, but some beliefs and a way of life. a culture.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : if it gets so bad that no further chips can in fact be manufactured at some point, then yes over time existing hw will become unusable. maybe a few decades tops.
jurov: mircea_popescu: you predict this will be the case?
jurov: the scenario "we will plod on z80 with 1 block/hr" calls for all of the existing hw to become suddenly unsuitable for mining
ascii_butugychag: did martians land and confiscate the asics while i slept ?
mircea_popescu: so they'll be 1hr blocks, what difference does it make ?
mircea_popescu: yes, but this doesn't matter : on a planet with z80s you can mine with z80s, and on a planet with asics the asics that mine STILL have to mine.
jurov: i was talking about blocks/transaction verification, not mining either
mircea_popescu: the only thing that matters is the relative terms, ie, relative of total available. this makes the whole line moot, yes it'll be 50%+1 in all worlds, whether powered by pen on paper or star-sized megacomps.
jurov: so you say that since you don't need custom silicon, the problem does not exist?
mircea_popescu: so detached : bitcoin mining still has to follow the rules. consequently, how much power goes into it in absolute terms is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: jurov i wanted to detach the mining discussion from this discussion, because it is unrelated.
jurov: obv yes, you can run the job during breakfast, but bitcoin can't do it with blocks
mircea_popescu: jurov no, the point is that what i need the things to do, they do well and i have space to spare (heck, i went for breakfast, figuring it'll take minutes. it would have been fine if it did). meanwhile what THEY need to do, the machines already can't cope with.
jurov: mircea_popescu: i don't get the premise, you're able to grep gigabyte in 2s on z80?
mircea_popescu: (fuligo septica, the slime mold)
mircea_popescu: wherein there is some rudimentary sensation and motility as an aggregate.
mircea_popescu: the most it can achieve is dogvomit.
mircea_popescu: because if you can you must and because zero one infinity, and so therefore, life's not worth living.
mircea_popescu: and as such, a subclass of "so just stop using the damned colored unicode bs". not gonna happen.
mircea_popescu: and there is no special ft meade. we're the only special interest that exists. otherwise, ft meade still has to hire from the emoji, and it does.
mircea_popescu: if she had to repay all her debts (and forget the financial angle - if she had to do all the work to count as educated at the level of education she perceives herself to occupy, manifest inability to think or even spell be damned) she'd simply figure "life is not worht living" and lie in a ditch to die.
ascii_butugychag: and the actual working folk
ascii_butugychag: where you have the emoji l0ltr0nicists
mircea_popescu: lemme fish out the conversation with this worthless dumbass, it is apropos.
mircea_popescu: you see... it's not a problem that there won't be infrastructure available. it'll just "not be worth using". what, it can't even unicode in colors ?
mircea_popescu: the truck is available. but it IS NOT WORTH IT. and besides... all the other kids will laugh at him.
mircea_popescu: it's the essential item of "what's worth". do you recall the kid that got a truck for his birthday ?
mircea_popescu: understand, the problem hre is not of "available technology". the technology stays avaiolable throughout.
mircea_popescu: tbh, i had originally written pentium i and then cancelled it out.
mircea_popescu: the middle died long ago. my idea is that one of the horns is headed for a major splat, and well... it likes to think there's not another horn. fortunately this is not so.
ascii_butugychag: there isn't really a collapse scenario where z80 remains
ascii_butugychag: they recently switched to meat compilers
mircea_popescu: they won't be able to keep on supplying themselves with computers capable to make "fair" unicode.
ascii_butugychag: most folks who ever lived, happily lived and died within a few metres of the the ground. but fall out of just one airplane...
mircea_popescu: so, to come to terms : the sv circus is already bordering on unable to maintain its presence. which is why "the cloud" and so forth.
mircea_popescu: the other fact of the matter however is that most if not all of those 16 women don't even own a scarf that could be used as described. because they don't buy by THAT criteria.
mircea_popescu: now... fact of the matter is that most women to date have lived and thrived and been happy in the "horrible" situation described.
mircea_popescu: and c) no, the electricity's not coming back. and no, i don't mean tonight.
mircea_popescu: so sixteen husbands come back home one evening and explain to sixteen wives that honey : a) eating out is out of the question from now on. and b) you're going to wash your scarf by hand. and use it to make a diaper. and then wash it by hand.
mircea_popescu: five years later, the "water table" so to speak changes. like you know, it changed in the ukraine recently, or in moscow in 1988.
mircea_popescu: so : i am a rich land developer, i buy some land, develop housing. it's 16 lots, which are bought the same year by 16 couples.
mircea_popescu: you have to appreciate tho : to them, it is not a waste. it's a raison d'etre and so fundamental its unwind would make life worth living.
mircea_popescu: soon enough they won't be able to afford to pay for computers.
mircea_popescu: but the point remains that what I use computers for and what they use computers for are very much disjunct, and relevantly so : they require about two or maybe three degrees of magnitude more materiel.
ascii_butugychag: i/o is the killer.
mircea_popescu: as such, it is conceivable that z-80 powered trb can actually drive into the ground 12nm process powered united-prbs.
mircea_popescu: in economic terms, approach B is A LOT more resource thirsty. from a planning perspective, the world is undeniably going into a resource-scarce phase.
mircea_popescu: the idea being that there are two discrete and identifiable uses of computing power. one is as above : leverage for already present intelligence. the other is as in the webstack : compensation for absent intelligence.
mircea_popescu: to make an alternate but related point : i just ran grep -Fxv -f on two files, about a million records together. the ~quarter mn result took all of two seconds.
mircea_popescu: not anymore than the soviets actually wanted to marry to the hitler-era notions of economic activity and growth
mircea_popescu: but no. the more i think about it, the more etched silicone is not something you wish to marry to.
ascii_butugychag: iirc i described several hypothetical variants here.
ascii_butugychag: but has dummy stubs for most of the gnarly bits (fopen, etc)
mircea_popescu: "preserve state of the shitstack so our software works"
ascii_butugychag: it doesn't link other libc, no
mircea_popescu: iirc it was just another shrinkwrap attempt
ascii_butugychag: lulzy, seems like they lifted all the nontrivial pieces (e.g., 'malloc') from *bdf
assbot: Logged on 31-10-2015 04:44:04; v_diddy: have worked with them numerously!
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-10-2015#1312463 << hm perhaps ben_vulpes used their libc ?
punkman: http://cooking.nytimes.com/recipes/11376-no-knead-bread this looks good, gonna try it with the dutch oven
davout: yeah, i don't clean mine because i only cook potatoes in there
punkman: mircea_popescu: isn't the unglazed ceramic porous?
mircea_popescu: anyway. it's cleanned by rubbing well with very coarse salt, then adding water and heating it like that for a while.
mircea_popescu: davout anyway, its usually a 5 liter-ish, unglazed clay pot with a lid (that can be made airtight by applying a butter seal). i usually cook potatoes with meat in them (potatoes on the outside, make a house for hte meat). also great for mousaka, lasagna etc
mircea_popescu: seriously, send them oxen back to the farm, there's no need for freeing THESE particular slaves.
mircea_popescu: where a sequence of eleven Unicode characters would be intended to be rendered as a single colourized glyph showing a multiracial family." << these people fundamentally misunderstand what an alphabet is.
fluffypony: and here I thought a Dutch oven was when you farted under the blankets
mircea_popescu: davout the sort of dutch oven i use is also made of clay.
BingoBoingo: Apparently social engineers at twitter are trying to push #YallQueda and #VanillaISIS on the Oregon narrative
fluffypony: I'm so glad, I was worried there wouldn't be a way to change the colour of the pony emoji
jurov: yay, hope they will add all the other colors, too. so that gorbachev's head can be accurately rendered
punkman: hoc Committee has come up with an cunning solution that allows for the combination of emoji characters, emoji modifier characters and zero-width joiner characters to produce arbitrary emoji glyphs, where a sequence of eleven Unicode characters would be intended to be rendered as a single colourized glyph showing a multiracial family."
punkman: "This solution may work for Unicode characters showing a single person, but you may wonder how multiracial emoji symbols showing two or more people with different skin tones could be represented. Would there, for example, be a way of specifying that U+1F46A 👪 family should be rendered with mother, father and child with different skin tones? The answer would seem to be no; but the Emoji Ad
punkman: "By themselves these five characters are intended to be displayed as square fragments of colour, but when combined with any of a defined set of Unicode characters representing people or human body parts they should magically change the character's skin tone."
punkman: for the Unicode Consortium to encode racially diverse versions of emoji characters representing humans or human body parts, and under intense pressure from the public, the media, and consortium members such as Apple and Google, the Unicode Technical Committee put forward a set of five emoji skin tone modifier characters as a solution."
punkman: "As the representative glyphs for people in the Unicode code charts look in many cases as if they represent white people, even in monochrone, and as the earliest implementations of multicoloured glyphs tended to show very pale skin tones, there has been an impression that Unicode is only catering for a certain racial demographic. Over the last year or two there have been widespread calls
davout: just clean them a bit with water, throw them in, 20 minutes microwave, and you get really great potatoes
davout: it has more to do with the way it's manufactured than and actual functional necessity
punkman: davout, a lot of them seem to have a little hole on google images, seemed weird, guess it doesn't go all the way through the handle
davout: punkman: mine doesn't have a handle, and no, it doesn't really need holes for air and steam to escape, the thing is not tightly shut
davout: anyway, i think it's the type of things that is best when simply demonstrated
davout: mircea_popescu: it shares with the dutch oven the fact that it's a pot i guess, it's exclusively made of clay though
punkman: "Confidential data from maritime industry insiders based on engine size and the quality of fuel typically used by ships and cars shows that just 15 of the world's biggest ships may now emit as much pollution as all the world's 760m cars." << and the warmingtards are worried about VW
asciilifeform: (locally, a la rotor, is another matter, and works great for its purpose)
assbot: Is a pulse rate of 56-64 normal in an obese woman who is otherwise ... ( http://bit.ly/1RkgEW8 )
BingoBoingo: http://www.justanswer.com/health/61y07-pulse-rate-56-64-normal-obese-woman-otherwise.html#re.v/462/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes you gotta post the build error logz or nobody could possibly help
davout: mircea_popescu: a "diable charentais" is what the gods and enlightened french people use to cook their potatoes
ben_vulpes: must i actually compile this motherfucker myself?
ben_vulpes: is it so much to expect the gentoo package manager to know how to install gdb?
ben_vulpes: ^^ things i did not expect to see today but am nevertheless not terribly surprised by
phf: ben_vulpes: can still run mcl if you have a ppc mac laying around. https://code.google.com/p/mcl/ and ftp://clozure.com/pub/rmcl.zip. the source was released when digitool finally disolved couple of years ago, and some clozure people did work on it to get it to work under rosetta (that's the rmcl thing).
jurov: (the inside is delicious, i mean)
jurov: yea, the skin is not edible after that. but delicious, too.
jurov: apparently al-foil was too expensive, we put them into embers directly
punkman: best to avoid the skin if it looks greenish or has sprouts though
punkman: I usually go for the butter too
punkman: whole potato recipe: start fire, wash potatos, make pile of embers, wrap potatos in Al-foil, poke some holes with a fork, throw on embers, cook a steak or something while waiting. take out potatos, let em cool, break in big chunks, then deep fry.
ben_vulpes: http://basalgangster.macgui.com/RetroMacComputing/The_Long_View/Entries/2013/2/17_Macintosh_Common_Lisp.html << neat history of lisp and gui development on os x