BingoBoingo: <jurov> https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined? << AHA, ?
adlai apologises for the channel mixup, tries to port touchscreen breathalyzer to keyboard / brain
adlai: PSA for the guy(s) running the single-satoshi-net-fee makers... you wil LITERALLY DOUBLE YOUR PROFITS if you increase to a 2 satoshi net fee.
adlai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361414 << call me when quickutil and v.cl start their long steamy love affair
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (96%) on Yes, 4.13 B (4%) on No | closing in 5 months 3 weeks | weight: 56`630 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VHTw4t )
jurov: https://bitbet.us/bet/1191/the-hearn-gavin-scamcoin-will-fizzle-in-2016/#c5500 if I understand right, this basically says mp is trying to spend his high-S output instead of low-S malleated output that was actually mined?
jurov: <asciilifeform> everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew << applied coprophagy came real?
asciilifeform: or, more appropriately, the buchenwald sign: jedem das seine.
asciilifeform: everybody here would ~barf~ if they knew what i do for money
asciilifeform: iirc somebody ~paid~ for the sgml crap
asciilifeform: did order it. likely - no good, sadly. they almost never are.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nah, 'diamond level' is when somebody has thermonukes in quantity AND delivery vehicle
punkman: "What is particularly disturbing is that the attacks appear to have been organised. Around 1,000 young men arrived in large groups, seemingly with the specific intention of carrying out attacks on women."
assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 04:23:14; asciilifeform: i prolly ought to have translated, it was a concert in honour of 81st anniversary of the korean people's army
assbot: Logged on 17-12-2015 04:01:54; asciilifeform: meanwhile, in the OTHER usa, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEhSF188x5k
phf: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35237173 << "It's completely improper... to link a group that appeared to come from North Africa with the refugees" "In Cologne at least one woman was raped and many were groped, including a volunteer policewoman." etc.
dbclk: anyways thanks for the advice folks
dbclk: which other pair BingoBoingo ?
dbclk: i think it can help quiet bit..the time i do loose money is when i'm trading randomly
BingoBoingo: The better trader you are the less time you spend trading. I just enter orders into the book and wait for them to be filled or not filled.
BingoBoingo: Well, the losing money part, if you step that up to full time you're sunk.
dbclk: and i like trading to be honest apart from the fact i'm loosing money
BingoBoingo: dbclk: Not in the way you seem to.
dbclk: what i'm seeing on the chart is consistent volumes and no declines
PeterL: the magic ball says ...
dbclk: but, not quite sure ..because, on each peeks you have progressively less and less volume until it breaks the neckline
dbclk: so just asking if there's anyone here looking for someone to mentor
BingoBoingo: The only thing longer than doing it is not doing it.
dbclk: the last time i tried talking here..it said i need to have some wirc account..i dont remember
dbclk: finally..thanks for the add
assbot: Logged on 19-11-2015 20:05:06; phf: it's just impressions. i've been looking at a lot of high traction common lisp code (top quicklisp packages) and there's a lot of senseless turd polishing in the past few years. broken interfaces for the sake of "cleanliness", half baked code, needless macros, dependency hell etc. and then you look at the code and it's the same set of aggressive, google employed queergenders.
phf: <asciilifeform> 'Well, as far as I could tell circa 2009, this programmer took my code and disabled 95%<<< this is becoming more and more sop, sometimes outright theft but more typically a "new maintainer", also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=19-11-2015#1327527
asciilifeform: but can you ~name~ folks who do? and do they count as a who ?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform is right. VPS services are the canadian devil.
mats: lol, linode pwned again, for the fourth time in as many years
asciilifeform wonders the usual 'why??!11??'
asciilifeform: 'Well, as far as I could tell circa 2009, this programmer took my code and disabled 95% of the capabilities that I put in it. He then put his version on sourceforge and used my name for it, MockMMA. What did he do? He did some data structure translation and attached the parser superficially to the Maxima system back end so that individual commands like _Integrate_ worked to call Maxima's _integrate_....'
asciilifeform: and many other goodies.
asciilifeform: 'While I'm pointing to old software, here's where you can get a free copy of the final (1982?) university release of Franz Lisp Opus 38.92 for VAX. I don't know why you would want this old stuff, but the university software distribution office has closed and they left a copy with me.'
asciilifeform: t has the advantage of being totally open (full source code). One can manipulate polynomials in several variables over the integers, rational functions, and a variety of other mathematical objects. Manipulations include simplification, differentiation, integration, evaluation, pattern matching, etc.'
asciilifeform: '...a Common Lisp package and libraries called MockMMA. see the directory for a recent revision of this Mockmma. This version is more directed to being compatible with the source-forge program Maxima, even if Maxima is being run in GCL, a Lisp dialect lacking in full upper-lower case control. (This is a disadvantage because Mathematica uses many mixed-case identifiers). To the user, this somewhat resembles Mathematica (tm), bu
pete_dushenski: off to see the wizard. one love !
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-01-2016#1361272 < id be surprised if anyone outside ba even uses the thing let alone mine with it. there arent any miners here.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 22:59:23; mircea_popescu: alternatively you could also ask various monkeys masquerading as "bitcoin devs" why the fuck they broke the protocol and are costing you money.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 23:15:10; BingoBoingo: So the next chapter of VanillaISIS knows to establish an embassy with tmsr before seceeding
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, pete_dushenski, other apple iron aficionados - anybody do the capslock mod ( https://github.com/cfenollosa/aekii ) ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Bush was dry drunk on O'Douls the whole time
BingoBoingo: Seriously pete as not the editor of their competitor you could probably write to Roger VERified bitcoin.com and get them to have a link to the fish handjob
BingoBoingo: Especially on contravex and any other web domain you publish.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta anticipate this. If you talk Bahamas you gotta bring that up for the SEO
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: i did ask if you wanted any specific links in there...
asciilifeform: prolly used the same ms word doc.
asciilifeform: and even this was an almost exact copy of the... last time.
gribble: President Hussein Bahamas Ends National Security Speech With ...: <http://qntra.net/2015/11/president-hussein-bahamas-ends-national-security-speech-with-happy-thanksgiving/>; Obama at ASEAN: Money Overwhelms Ideas | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2015/11/obama-at-asean-money-overwhelms-ideas/>; Trump Proposes "Closing Up the Internet" | Qntra: <http://qntra.net/2015/12/trump-proposes- (1 more message)
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, "During the year, landlords raised rents as much as 15% in the Brush Park district, 14% in New Center and 10% in the areas around Wayne State University and the Detroit Medical Center, according to a Midtown Detroit survey." << rents went from $1 to $1.15 per square metre per year in detroit !
asciilifeform: american elections are exactly as interesting as the soviet elections, and for exactly the same reason.
pete_dushenski: "Examples: 1.) Our mid-terms are coming up soon, so you better be about it and study hard to pass. 2.) As a member of the National Association of Black Journalist, we are expected to be about it."
asciilifeform: as a very wealthy usg-dod consultant once said to me, 'i don't give a flying fuck whether it is the democrats, the republicans, or the lesbians, who win'
asciilifeform finds it lulzy that mircea_popescu and perhaps other thinking folks outside the razor wire believe that the ceremonial usaschwitz kommendant elections are actually ~about~ something. in actuality, they are rather like the fighting of certain ruminants, e.g., mountain sheep, whose horns are set at such an angle that they cannot harm one another
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: He used to play pokemon with concussions. Retired as a master after collecting them all.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head << Carter nearly tried, also nearly eaten by rabbit
asciilifeform: not the einsatzgruppen.
mircea_popescu: if he hadn't the vacation would have been permanent.
mircea_popescu: however, the way the winnings and losses were distributed there, it seems altogether unlikely that ever happens again.
mircea_popescu: ooooo yeah. pretty much the only thing bahamas did was the entire boehner derpitude.
asciilifeform: and what, mr o bothered ?
asciilifeform: and the last time a muppet-in-chief tried to actually rule, his wife ended up picking up pieces of his head
gribble: Veto - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veto>; List of United States presidential vetoes - Wikipedia, the free ...: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_presidential_vetoes>; Presidential Vetoes | US House of Representatives: History, Art ...: <http://history.house.gov/Institution/Presidential-Vetoes/Presidential-Vetoes/>
mircea_popescu: all it'd take would be for the ceiling to not be raised.
mircea_popescu: only in the bunker.
mircea_popescu: literally, instead of nulla bonam the endorsement was G.T.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do they know, right ? but then again... anthropologist's irk. how did all these unrelated derps manage to come to the same story.
asciilifeform: or what, let's say word gets out that anybody wanted by a u.s. sheriff only has to make his way to the magic oregon dreamland. still no napalm ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, much to my contradicted disbelief, the consensus among unconnected, aparatchick chicks on okc seems to be that "well, a) trump will win and b) that'll be tghe end of any federal government"
mircea_popescu: which brings us to the present day.
mircea_popescu: there's really nothing wrong with bending over and taking in the ass. women the world over do it every day.
mircea_popescu: "He said hostility toward federal employees is taking a toll on the entire community." ahahahaha orly. is it.
punkman: http://btc.yt/lxr/satoshi/source/src/net.cpp?v=asciilifeform_add_verifyall_option#1273 just gotta remove "mapArgs.count("-connect")" from there right?
asciilifeform: as seen by the eye of sauron, even, https://bitnodes.21.co/nodes/?q=/therealbitcoin.org:0.9.99.99
asciilifeform: that's the correct use of -connect.
asciilifeform: -connect to the current trb nodes and spray it in, leave'em to broadcast
mircea_popescu: the gist of it is that guy wants a copy of a certain txn
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was just trying to pass along some txn on the cheap.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell ben_vulpes If you really intend to be the lord of cascadia you prolly ought to start negotiating borders and such
BingoBoingo: Dude knows he's not going to get any sleep because he's been briefed on how the Bundy ranch defense still stands years later.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha. check out who has "an opportunity" and who sets the limits of who gets what opportunities.
mircea_popescu: They have an opportunity right now to work towards a better solution, and not face further charges, he said.
mircea_popescu: check it out, they found rip thorn's son!
mircea_popescu: cool, ima run up a node from that cluster including the known trb nodes specifically. if you want to get yours included davout or anyone else pm me an ip.
punkman: http://shop.lomography.com/en/home/newpetzval58-brass "the New Petzval 58 Bokeh Control Art Lens features a classic gear rack focusing mechanism and Waterhouse aperture plates for a truly 19th century-like photographic experience."
punkman: though LOMO is another thing that inexplicably still exists, and it's pretty popular with the hipster chicks
mircea_popescu: chicks that wanna-be cool on the cheap ?
punkman: who the fuck is gonna buy this thing
punkman: Kodak brings back Super8, "Shooting Analogue has never been so easy. When you purchase film you will be buying the film, processing and digital transfer. The lab will send you your developed film back and email you a password to retrieve your digital scans from the cloud so you can edit and share in any way you choose."
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 22:51:16; mircea_popescu: !rate brucefenton -10 working to coverup vessennes various frauds with the faux bitcoin foundation
BingoBoingo: So the next chapter of VanillaISIS knows to establish an embassy with tmsr before seceeding
BingoBoingo: But the indictment in this case seems necessary
mircea_popescu: does twitter even do anything OTHER than suspend any account the moment it threatens veering into maybe vaguely interesting ?
davout: nah, paymium's production node doesn't see it either
mircea_popescu: but, if you run a proper node i can connect to you and it should be in your mempool within the ... i dunno, minute, hour ?
davout: but blockr.io doesn't see it either, which is more surprising, again, in my experience
mircea_popescu: myeah. i'd have to extract it, tho you could just fish it out of the mempool by hash i guess ?
davout: care to share the raw tx?
mircea_popescu: alternatively you could also ask various monkeys masquerading as "bitcoin devs" why the fuck they broke the protocol and are costing you money.
mircea_popescu: anyway, Bitbet123 : the correct avenue here is to ask antpool / f2pool / whoever else why they aren't including tx d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla the wrong irc, but anyway.
kakobrekla: finally the pile of emails overflows to irc.
mircea_popescu: !rate brucefenton -10 working to coverup vessennes various frauds with the faux bitcoin foundation
BingoBoingo: except for the java part, but that can be fixed
jurov: interesting, this shows there is some unconfirmed tx, but never loads it https://blockexplorer.com/address/1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx
jurov: anyone tried to submit it there directly?
shinohai: Good, I hope their little scam factory crashes and burns.
punkman: oops, that was in the log
shinohai: Sounds like the [ANN] section of bitcointalk.
Batchulism: so what happens with the txn that were sent for the bets closed for new year that havent come through?
Batchulism: how long do 0 fee txn take to process? do they ever time out?
mircea_ahoy: just going up an' down the silver river.
mircea_ahoy: nobody's actually involved in making bitcoin not suck. there's a large group of idiots involved in trying to make themselves look good, and there's trb trying to make bitcoin be less g narly.
Batchulism: shouldn't 0 fee txn still show up on blockchain or other explorer, just with 0 confirmations?
mircea_ahoy: occasionally i do a trilema piece about them, or used to at any rate, but really... kinda lost interest.
punkman: so other txs from same wallet have gone through?
kakobrekla: would be nice to figure out if this is some specific miners or all of them
mircea_ahoy: once they get 0.1 btc for a mined block, not including 0.0001 feed txn won't be feasible anymore.
mircea_ahoy: but hey, for as long as the bullshit subsidy for blocks continues, this problem will persist.
kakobrekla: im just trying to figure out where the problem is
mircea_ahoy: anyway, it's no trlike the txn is secret or anything. it's signed, anyone can broadcast it any way they please.
mircea_ahoy: yeah well. you don't really get to kno wwhat pos the bitcoin network is until/unless you try and run a high volume merchant on it.
mircea_ahoy: kakobrekla, yes, they're being broadcast constantly.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 19:27:56; mircea_ahoy: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360851 << for the record, all bets that closed for new year were paid out ~ coupla days ago. some non conforming miners have been failing to include the txn in mined blocks. this is part and parcel of bitcoin working poorly as it does.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_ahoy: fucking bullshit. fenton using the meni rosenfeld defense "hey, if you don't get a fiat court to give us fiat then ergo no crime was committed by our bitcoin scam"
mircea_ahoy: "I have not been presented any evidence of any theft, criminal act or similar wrongdoing but would be *happy to pay a bounty of at least 10%* for anyone with information and evidence of any such act leading to recovery of any funds which were misappropriated or stolen. Those who imply that there is any wrongdoing at the foundation now or by those involved now should come forward with evidence or at least a solid and specific accusation. If p
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 16:05:26; assbot: Bitcoin Foundation: Where on Earth Did all the Money Go? ... ( http://bit.ly/1myW4Gq )
mircea_ahoy: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360864 << the money that they were pretending to have and never did went to places. just like eth and just like every other fiat-pushing "bitcoin" scam to date.
mircea_ahoy: direct any complaints as to "why my txn has been waiting for x days" to anyone and everyone who is running non-conformant bitcoin implementations. starting with the pools.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 15:16:51; kakobrekla: anyway, a shitload of bets closed at new years so give so time to sort them all out
mircea_ahoy: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360851 << for the record, all bets that closed for new year were paid out ~ coupla days ago. some non conforming miners have been failing to include the txn in mined blocks. this is part and parcel of bitcoin working poorly as it does.
mircea_ahoy: that aside, the actual woman in the picture isn't actually too fat to ride, and besides its her own fucking horse. but fucking SAY THAT. not random bs about mothers and whantot.
mircea_ahoy: for that matter, i have said this to people, and so has anyone who owns horses and lets random street people ride them.
mircea_ahoy: the biullshit they hide behind. no, my mother wouldn't have been protecting your delusional "right" to be colossaly stupid at the expense of a poor unfortunate horse that has no fault.
mircea_ahoy: fuck that shit ? what's the horse, a rock ? if you prick it, it does not bleed ?
mircea_ahoy: Things your mom would have your rear end for saying, things that though youre no expert you feel that you are clearly the most intelligent on the forum and have to interject. Things you would NEVER say to their face or at least that directly
in my blog I really want to expose just how a simple Facebook comment has torn my life apart about horses and how unfortunately I witnessed a Facebook friend receive the same cruel attack just last w
mircea_ahoy: turns out that if you're going to run a generator, the best way to go about it is, make it part of sailing
mircea_ahoy: in other argentine news, half of belgrano's out of power an' so i evacuated to a boat.
kakobrekla: i prolly end up removing over half of them
kakobrekla: check the logs for possible better framing
kakobrekla: clean them up as much as you can
kakobrekla: approve/delete them in order
davout: i guess if one's needed then why not
davout: the bash web interface seems to be stuck at beginning of november
jurov: Jon Matonis: $137.5k through "THE HOLE OF ROY LLC". Salary up from $31k. Jon Matonis acted as Executive Director up to October 2014.
kakobrekla: give them some time*
kakobrekla: anyway, a shitload of bets closed at new years so give so time to sort them all out
BingoBoingo: zigglar: They now hold for 48 hours after resolution to check for objections/errors so prolly pay out when a bitbet mod wakes up
assbot: Dick Smith is the Greatest Private Equity Heist of All Time - Forager Funds ... ( http://bit.ly/1PdrJ6O )
punkman: https://foragerfunds.com/bristlemouth/dick-smith-is-the-greatest-private-equity-heist-of-all-time/
assbot: I’m Overweight…But That Doesn’t Give You The Right To Be Rude! – Horse Junkies United ... ( http://bit.ly/1myHO0t )
BingoBoingo: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-01-2016#1360788 << Can't deny the metals desk glory
punkman: "Use a professional e-mail address. “luvbunnie69@hotmail.com” or “buzzlightyear2infinitynbeyond@yahoomail.co.uk” just doesn’t cut the mustard." << meh, I really wouldn't care about that. having your own domain instead of gmail is a nice touch though.
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] 7 lessons for hitting the broad side of a barn with your professional resume (curriculum vitae). - http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/05/7-lessons-for-hitting-the-broad-side-of-a-barn-with-your-professional-resume-curriculum-vitae/
mircea_popescu: feel free to tell them so.
massiro: I have heard only low-S value is permitted since around October 2015, due to the severe tx-malleability attack by amaclin (at bitcointalk). Core devs quickly responded because it is very annoying (original TxIDs will be changed and one might lose the record of incoming payments).
massiro: The above site says the fee is 0.001 BTC so I think it is more than enough. Is this related to low/high S value problem?
massiro: the txid d8e60a0979024cce9159bd7b59594eae7dec627db5ac6bd088866afea533b0e9 is not visible for some block explorers...
massiro: The payout of /bet/1199/the-eth-scam-wont-see-2016/ is stuck for some reason. The payment is expected to be come from: https://blockr.io/address/info/1EMmmcooTXe64SY5X3FwTC1HU1t32XLWPx
massiro: The-Eth-Scam payout is in trouble I think... (BitBet)
asciilifeform: for the rng experiment in particular, 'bus pirate' (~$20) works just as well as $1k scope
asciilifeform: buy the kakobreklascope
ben_vulpes: suppose i have a series of voltage readings over time, and i wish to turn these into binary data.
mircea_popescu: one of the better stories.
asciilifeform: related, '"The Tengu, and the Woodcutter": A tengu bothers a woodcutter, showing off his supernatural abilities by guessing everything the man is thinking. The woodcutter swings his ax, and a splinter of wood hits the tengu on the nose. The tengu flees in terror, exclaiming that humans are dangerous creatures who can do things without thinking about them.'
asciilifeform: in other nyoooz,
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360029 << fwiw, i generally like the /people/ i met /working/ there.
mircea_popescu: first, there was the generation of tov burtica. [belly-let, commie bugman]. then was the generation of the inteprid "privatizati". and finally the generation of "we belong in the eu and we'll sack this ridiculous derp of a prime minister that survived every turpitude in the book because a club caught fire and some moo-moos died".
mircea_popescu: i have exactly no care in the world for that, ben_vulpes. purposes do not interest me.
mircea_popescu: but in better news : the summer's also coming.
ben_vulpes: so you'll pay for the beer but not for the babes to get to the middle of goddamn nowhere?
ben_vulpes: or would this party planner actually have to recruit gap-teeth dropouts from the surroundings?
ben_vulpes: also out of curiousity mircea_popescu would you pay for the babetruxx necessary as well?
mircea_popescu: that discussion, tis in the logs.
mircea_popescu: but yes, getting a bunch of kids out there'd definitely help.
mircea_popescu: mno i was stillo on the whale
BingoBoingo: I don't think the derps trending #VanillaISIS realize how close they might actually be to right with that label
BingoBoingo: I'm still thinking the Feds are prolly going to channel Janet Reno and Waco the Oregon resistance though.
BingoBoingo: TV and talk radio conveniently ignore the Bundy ranch is still successfully defended from Federal forces
BingoBoingo: Bunch of presidential candidates not-Trump from USia's other socialist party are denouncing the liberating militia's actions in Oregon
mircea_popescu: abhababa what the fuck is that.
mircea_popescu: too pokey down there guts may well come out!
mircea_popescu: mind the backside@
asciilifeform: as in, woman which has no back side and you put your arms around, and out come the viscera
asciilifeform: at any rate, the problem is never abstraction as such, but leaking abstraction.
asciilifeform: where was it... in koran ??? that had the reminder of 'woman is merely a vessel of guts!111'
mircea_popescu: once she's buck naked the music stops and teh guy inquires why the fuck she stopped ? he was having fun!
mircea_popescu: you know the first strip tease story ?
asciilifeform: and your gurlz hide their guts
mircea_popescu: (ftr that's the fucking definition of the heap : program's own notebook, that it doesn't show you)
mircea_popescu: nope. all programs hide the heap. why does that not qualify ?
asciilifeform: (as in, intended by the builder)
mircea_popescu: the problem is that complex systems are not obviously normal-izable.
asciilifeform: normally there is not much space between 'white noise' and 'works'
mircea_popescu: no, that doesn't make lying not lying, but it does make the problem of not lying as an idiot intractable.
mircea_popescu: neatly mirroring the dichotomy discussed earlier today, about the group that is trying to use computers to compensate by its members outright lack of intelligence, vs the group that is tryi9ng to use computers to leverage the already present intelligence of its members.
mircea_popescu: the former paradigm works well for people without identity. the latter is ideal for people with.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 23:08:28; phf: in "social media" the mechanism of mediation is entirely controlled by platform owners. nothing even remotely similar could be produced on top of facebook, because it would get snuffed in its infancy, with undesirable behaviors eliminated through technical or policy changes.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-01-2016#1360438 << the more important difference is re : identity. the POINT of social media is to make it possible for entities devoid of identity to seemingly communicate. the point of b-a is to make it fucking impossible for entities devoid of identity to pretend they're communicating.
asciilifeform: SHALL NEVER TELL A MOTHERFUCKING LIE to operator !11111
asciilifeform: this is a classic case of what mircea_popescu spoke of in the earlier thread - 'illicitly uses thing outside of itself'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is a longstanding bit of C"S" idiocy. somehow the idea of a "painless" subsystem is "a subsystem that lies about being in pain". if organs worked like that we'd be all dead.
asciilifeform: e.g., the foo bar example,
asciilifeform: instead you only end up with monkey who is a danger to self and others.
asciilifeform: instead they have a maximally perverse idea
asciilifeform: 'have nfi what the point' would be an ~improvement~
mircea_popescu: fucking brain rot. all these brogrammers have nfi what the point of programming computers even is.
asciilifeform: (the idiot 'wallet' abstraction)