mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363953 << lol what the fuck are they going to do, "solution". is it really so hard to say "they fucked up, it's unfixable", must everything be packaged in this "hopefully the us army takes tikrit with two tootphicks and an empty tube of minty flavoured toothpaste" ?
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 07:16:11; gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:58:13; danielpbarron: blissfully unware of the politics of bitcoin until it gets in the way of a payout?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363931 <<< hey, recall the last fork power rangers did ? the fucking miners are blessfully ignorant of bitcoin politics, what do you want from a random guy.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets | You cannot stop the clouds by the building of a ship. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Pkf7eh )
mircea_popescu: and maybe even get in the wot.
mircea_popescu: ironically, this is known of exponentials, they're "too low" in the early middle and too high in the end. but then again, it is known by people who know shit, such as how to design games that people enjoy playing, not by people who don't know jack, such as microsoft-excel based cryptographer-hermits.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 05:46:31; ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363920 << sadly this system is like a tango of six things together, and one of them got way ahead of the others. especially of the block subsidy, which is still way WAY WAY too high.
mircea_popescu: you're not supposed to use "txids" for anything, but whatever. as discussed yest, this goes up all the way.
thestringpuller: but addresses will still get their money
mircea_popescu: yeah, until karpeles lied about an imaginary cause of stealing people's bitcoin, the other dudes working on wrecking bitcoin didn't have a good excuse. hurr durr.
mircea_popescu: i've been broadcasting it all night to the trb nodes, you can ask any of them, they should still have it in the memory.
massiro: can i have e6b8? i can check whether is has high-S.
mircea_popescu: that's what we're currently trying to debug. why the e6b8 one, which spends a single input from the 83e2 one, is not making it through.
massiro: "there's a transaction that has 100 confirms" << what is the txid? this? : 09e82c06cc5fbe3c0f2c2b6a1f575e8ecbb2a92bb493ca3a318525b1eeabe2bd
mircea_popescu: fucking stop and think about sometime before you agree with usg's moles about ever novel ways to fuck up the one thing that threatens their continuous existence.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller that was kakobrekla's theory as to what the problem was previously. however currently, there's a transaction that has 100 confirms, and it's being spent, and it still doesn't get through. so no, that couldn't be it.
thestringpuller: i wonder if that caused the wallet issue? spend tx, confirmed under different hash, wallet is now borked?
thestringpuller: okay now I see. yea anything after this was pulled https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/6769 there is a low-s threshold
massiro: consensus is unchanged but the latest nodes never relay/mine high-S tx.
massiro: thestringpuller, once written in a block, it is valid because consensus is unchanged.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bt is your friend
thestringpuller: is there a way to coredump bitcoind without having to recompile with GDB symbols? I've recompiled it, but it's giving me "illegal instruction" error then closes out. No crash log.
phf: "in other news" http://tissuemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/TISSUE_Angga-Pratama_AP004-e1394983080154.jpg
gabriel_laddel: That said, I've not really poked around the call stack. Could be missing something obvious.
gabriel_laddel: Unfortunately I may need to poke around "under the hood". There are two showstopping bugs in CLIM that crash the connection to the X server, and it is unclear why.
phf: gabriel_laddel: perhaps if you stated your problem! xlib is a handful of operations on top of blit, where zen emulates those same operations using opengl. exact details of x talking to hardware is completely outside of scope of xlib, since the whole point is abstract those away.
gabriel_laddel: sciencemadness.org is really cool btw, thanks for the link.
gabriel_laddel: phf: I've browsed through it, but didn't find what I was looking for. Perhaps if I state my problem someone will know what I need. The goal is to 'fold' the whole notion of X client / server directly into CL function calls. I would like details of how *exactly* X talks to the hardware (Cee sources, yeah) and a large, obvious table as to what all the error codes / X requests are.
gabriel_laddel: Has anyone played around with Zen, the CL X server, or does anyone have links to OLD X documentation / proggies that would be useful for debugging issues deep(?) in the X server / help me understand wtf the X protocol is? I googled around for X docs and found a mess.
trinque: I am pleased with the fact that I ran an installer, and now I have a unix that actually does everything of which it claims to be capable.
gabriel_laddel: is the notion of dependency graph useful on *BSD
gabriel_laddel: trinque: and the downsides are..?
punkman: my tv runs on freebsd, but can't do anything there
punkman: and if "prevout" is e6b8aa9ded why the hell does "if (!mapTransactions.count(prevout.hash))" fail??? you just received the thing
punkman: how does something called "prevout" refer to e6b8aa9ded and the bare GetHash() to 20421a3f19?
punkman: where the fuck does "vin" come from for example
punkman: asciilifeform: ERROR: ConnectInputs() : 20421a3f19 mapTransactions prev not found e6b8aa9ded << I only have half a clue what's going on when I look at the code, but perhaps e6b8aa9ded is not actually chained off 83e2b80e96? I can't find 20421a3f19 on any block explorer, maybe it's another transaction only existing in mp's wallet.
gabriel_laddel: Oh, and ben do you have any good reading material re rockets? I'm in the mood for something new.
gabriel_laddel: well, I end up working on other stuff.
ben_vulpes: it's possible that lispy power-magnifying tentacles are the best way to wrap hands around big ugly workpiles like linux
massiro: I have known the politics at some extent...
massiro: If we don't want to use the latest client, we could do "createrawtransaction" and "signrawtransaction", check whether is has high-S or not by our eyes, and do "sendrawtransaction" to the network.
ben_vulpes: solution imho is to make not mining these transactions economically suicidal
massiro: in fact ebc5d768... was a "high-S" tx and the-eth-scam payout used ebc5d768 as input.
massiro: i cannot see the content of e6b8aa9d... but it may have a high-S value.
massiro: and somebody will modify high-S to low-S. and the wallet will be corrupted.
massiro: S should be less than 0x7FFFFFFF... to be relayed by the network now.
massiro: in the past, the-eth-scam payout with txid ebc5d768... was using high-S, and modified/accepted txid 09e82c06... was with low-S.
massiro: low-S is in the signature <R,S>
massiro: i'm suspecting <mircea_popescu> is using an old client and the old client makes txes with high-S values.
massiro: <mircea_popescu> said "isolated from the network".
mircea_popescu: and yes likewise, i gave the specifics above.
asciilifeform: this could even mean that they would remain 'on the network' (pulling blocks on time, which all 3 presently are) but lose whatever mempool gibblets.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu understand that, for while there are only a few trb nodes, and everyone knows where they are, it is entirely conceivable for traffic to be diddled in arbitrary ways in real time
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 03:08:08; mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> seeing mircea_popescu's replies in the logz, but NOTHING here
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> then again, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1363830 , hm
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> or your tx gets thrown on the floor.
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: do you know for a fact (e.g., wireshark) that you are transmitting the tx ?
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> because there are dozens of leechers on each box, and the pile of shit has no notion of prioritization
asciilifeform: <asciilifeform> incidentally, it is quite likely, even for all 3 of my boxes, that mircea_popescu's node was able to connect to ask for the tx but not to send it.
kakobrekla: rethrow them.
asciilifeform: and they went nowhere
asciilifeform: it would seem that most of the relays are dead (or Great Firewalled off between where i stand and there)
mircea_popescu: ima keep the present situation up, where they have monopoly on a juicy tx for a little longer in case anyone wants to trace the network/debug/whatever. but i can't keep it forever like this.
mircea_popescu: i would say this is proof positive that they are in fact isolated on the network, somehow.
mircea_popescu: so basically, my node sent to trb nodes, trb nodes have it in memory but it's not being broadcast past them.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform never you mind the complaint of 20421a3f19. the point is, e6b8aa9ded itself.
asciilifeform: and that it is the low-S fucktardation
asciilifeform: (or rather, some time between when i got up to eat and now)
mircea_popescu doesn't know what to think atm, maybe it's some weirdo bug in the trb ? maybe what the shit.
mircea_popescu: does the log show any "received getdata" for it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but can you confirm whether e6b8aa9dedef74a7e8961e0d997aebc35aae3c8e762a715336d84b39507c9773 IS in your memory pool and for some reason dulap/etc are not transmitting it, or whether it's not in the mempool at all ?
asciilifeform leaves the 'tails' going
asciilifeform: is this the 'low-S' crapolade, still ?!
mircea_popescu: why the fuck don't i see it networkwide
mircea_popescu: not the whole sha
asciilifeform watches the displays
mircea_popescu: mmm irc stock debug.log only lists a few bytes off the beginning
mircea_popescu: from this side it seems like i broadcast to them fine but i don't see the txn on the wider network mempool ?
mircea_popescu: hey asciilifeform are the trb nodes isolated atm ?!
mircea_popescu: the internets!
shinohai: My BTC Phoundation troll of the day: https://twitter.com/SatoshiShinohai/status/685628331446956032
mircea_popescu: but be that as it may : the late bitbet payments should be all sent, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: https://mikandi.com/blog/news/mikandi-news/fetlife-meatlist/ check it out, by now i could spend ~the entire day reading about myself.
mircea_popescu: even the best selected wocows give at the very most a liter and change, not the two buckets a day cow sprouts forth. and considering feed and shelter costs what, 10k a year or thereabouts ? you're looking at a good 30-40 bucks a liter fixed production costs. not counting the ipad you'll prolly need, and presuming you can get your milkho impregnated for free each year, somehow.
mircea_popescu: honestly if we were to do the same math for woman's milk that we do for cow's milk, an ounce at 6 bucks is a steal.
phf: judging by commodore pet at 2:00 in the background, must be #b-a-jp
pete_dushenski: well gang, ima retire for the eve. a la prochaine
phf: <pete_dushenski> isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? << https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY0omvbDEY4
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: "Medolac, based in Oregon and started in 2009, sells 4-ounce pouches of sterilized donor milk to hospitals for up to $5.90 an ounce. Theirs is the only “room temperature” product currently on the market, meaning it does not need to be thawed out." << I haz business idea!!11
pete_dushenski: isn't it $50 for a pair of vacuum-sealed panties these days ? (to prison inmates)
mircea_popescu: this entire "breastmilk" thing strikes me as a whole lot of "teenaged cunts make money by selling their panties".
assbot: Young mothers make money by selling their breast milk to bodybuilders on Craigslist ... ( http://bit.ly/1K3Q0KP )
pete_dushenski: http://www.menshealth.com/fitness/human-breast-milk-and-bodybuilding http://www.theprovince.com/Young+mothers+make+money+selling+their+breast+milk+bodybuilders+Craigslist/10834072/story.html
mircea_popescu: anyway. the foremost point of capital is to enact a softer training harness for kids than simple beatings.
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: i recall a local woman selling her milk to "body builders" and the lik
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> somebody's been reading the logz. <<< yeah, someone who hasn't been reading enough grammar to know the difference between legitimate the noun and legitimize the verb.
assbot: Women Are Selling Their Breast Milk for Incredible Sums of Money | Video | TheBlaze.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1OFn8hA )
asciilifeform: or http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015/07/07/women-are-selling-their-breast-milk-for-incredible-sums-of-money
pete_dushenski: though chappelle's 'cambodian breast milks' is the definitive tract
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:26:56; thestringpuller: i won't hang out with people < 24 anymore
pete_dushenski has to tip cap to fillie for dropping >10 lbs since heir's birth. dunno how the girl does it.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 19:18:49; mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363348 << /me appreciated the phree diaper money. (yes, /me thinks in such terms de temps en temps, for "grounding")
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ? << Coming soon
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3zu8bh/til_in_2016_you_cannot_prevent_soft_forks_in/cyqn13n <<< "I haven't yet heard one person against SegWit, no matter their stance on raising the block size cap." LOLOLOL
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 17:20:18; mircea_popescu: they stole some foss and filed the serials off, butterfly labs style.
asciilifeform: somebody's been reading the logz.
asciilifeform: 'What actually happens is wealthy people like Paul Graham fund startups because they think these things are valuable. Through venture funding, rich people legitimate startups. Thus, they confer value upon the startup. They then use their ridiculous money and connections to advise and mentor those they deemed worthy of capital so that they can use this capital to build a future people like Paul Graham expect to see.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363242 << had a very pleasant lunch with oleg back in the day. shame to see him waste his time so.
asciilifeform: 'Paul Graham is one of those plutocrats whose thirst to be recognized as a thoughtleader among his peers is obvious. For Paul Graham, Silicon Valley Ideology is the ideology America should run on, and ergo, being a puppet of Silicon Valley Ideology, Paul Graham thinks himself a political genius.'
trinque: http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz http://deedbot.org/trb-mk.tar.gz.asc << mod6, asciilifeform, ben_vulpes, et al., this thing has crapped a working trb enough times to get feedback. It's a set of makefiles for the former build script and rotor. There are interesting knobs in the various makefiles, including (I think) an easy way to put other builders alongside rotor (as asciilifeform mentioned). Lemme
asciilifeform: rather than usg scion
asciilifeform: and 'growing the pie' etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo hey btw, any coverage over the total deflation of the stock market ponzi ?
asciilifeform: and then director would be asked 'why are you running a synagogue here'
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 22:57:09; BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363528 << there was precisely this dynamic re: jews in su
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: lol. "it will please you to know that ibm laptop suspends to disk without issue with ubuntu 10.04" != "girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE."
asciilifeform: (the issue is 1) graphical www 2) driving the 2**10^7 pixels i need to sanely develop
asciilifeform: that's not the issue.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform girl says it actually compiled trb. SO THERE.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 23:35:44; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.
mircea_popescu: ahaha what the fuck!
mircea_popescu: in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter
asciilifeform: anyway these things rules
asciilifeform: i got a bunch of these here
asciilifeform: heathen linux crud
mircea_popescu: davout a man in the house ?
davout: i have no idea what the english word for "cravacher" is but either way, that's what it needs
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: as long as they're using abacii and not fortune cookies to tabulate columns...
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's unfortunate as confucianism is easily the dumbest think ever shat forth by the mind of man.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 15:12:30; mircea_popescu: chinese the new jew huh
mircea_popescu: the pony express was kinda cool...
pete_dushenski: god help venice if it needs to rebuild the roads of rome
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 14:39:46; punkman: fucking UPS. pay for 1-2day shipping and get 6day shipping instead, even if the weather is fine and there's over 9000 planes flying towards my mailbox.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1363063 << amazon pulls same junk with 'prime'. oh, it'll be there in '1-2 days' only to arrive 4 weeks later. /me has seen this with own eyes.
davout: that would be the pony :D
mircea_popescu: davout how is the fanny ?
mircea_popescu: for which, incidentally, a great ad would be, woman takes it up the ass furiously
mircea_popescu: i thought they owned that "i can't believe it's not butter" thing.
pete_dushenski: ftr 'becel' is some kinda margarine for when there's no butter around
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 13:06:39; mircea_popescu: what the fuck is all that other shit and what's with the heartshape fixation ?
kakobrekla: no worries, just returning the complaint.
kakobrekla: anyway, the meat has a similar taste, very strong. needs at least 24hrs preparation to make it taste good.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: the ethiopian and indian restaurants around here do goat very well around here
mircea_popescu: anyone remember the red guy as a mall cop with an electric car ?
pete_dushenski: s/he/they'd
pete_dushenski: imagine how fast they would've caught capone et al. if he fled the scene of every bank robbery in an electric car.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 12:03:10; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362816 << 'red herring', then as now. passport is not how typical usaschwitz inmate is kept inside the wire.
pete_dushenski: the chicken i buy is $23/kg, the beef $30/kg or so. $12/kg for locally grown, straight from the farmer is a steal of a deal
kakobrekla: oh and yes pete_dushenski got a couple of kilos of horse meat in the fridge and another batch coming in 2 months.
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 01:26:50; mircea_popescu: (in fairness, it was the fuel of choice of f1 engines in the 80s, but it really is much too high octane to use in shitty ro-made engines of the era. not to mention carcinogenic)
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362706 << almost as bad as the gasoline-benzene mixture that mercedes was using at le mans in 1955, which made quite the little *boom* when pierre levegh crashed and firefighters tried to pour water on the fire, only to watch the fire expand as the magnesium body of the car reacted with the water. 83 ppl died in that one.
BingoBoingo: Grades are increasingly a lousy signal, especially at those elite places that just hand out the As. So you dont even have that anymore,
BingoBoingo: "Of the latter, she describes a pattern in which faculty members effectively practice affirmative action for all applicants who are not from East Asia, effectively having one set of GRE standards for the students from China and elsewhere in East Asia and another, lower requirement for everyone else. "
assbot: Logged on 08-01-2016 00:35:57; mircea_popescu: "There is stunningly little knowledge of these people and why they move," << nordic system is a great system, provided you only ask the people who stay behind.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-01-2016#1362638 << "stunning" indeed. need moar social sciences funding to get to the root of this deep, deep question
pete_dushenski: dunno if this was the same jam that thestringpuller was running into or not. but this is where 'laocoon' is currently stuck
pete_dushenski: basically, trying to install 'essential' yields "Media change: please insert the disc labeled Debian GNU/Linux 8.2.0 _Jessie_ - Official amd64 CD Binary-1 20150906-11:13' in the drive '/media/cdrom/' and press enter"
mircea_popescu: note that this is exactly what they're actually doing, too.
mircea_popescu: basically in that space you'd just cauchy-buniakowski-schwartz the fuck out of everything
mircea_popescu: "bayesian thinking" is the equivalent of an algebra so defined that all operators are necessarily idempotent and all functions necessarily contiguous.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: remember >> "Fiat is not just about money. Fiat is a state of mind, the idea that some magical bureaucrat somewhere can give you new teeth, cure your warts and produce you a wife to order by just saying "fiat"." << I thought a little more about that as I'm reading about more people thinking about savings differently since Bitcoin exists. The compulsion to spend comes very strongly with fiat, whereas the "compuls
phf: you've not ~seen~ either. you come across rocky patch in the forest and call it mountain, you call wood chipper pile forest, etc.
phf: hmm, bayesian thinking is sort of like if you walk looking at the ground and all you see are tiny twigs and then gradually all you see are tiny rocks and you don't have an ability to pull away and notice that you were walking through forest first and then you're at a base of a mountain. it sometimes "works", becase you've been taught that the two classifications exist so you call first forest and the second mountain, but of course
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for funkenstein_ from 1 to 2 with note: dwarf banker and not the antichrist.
mircea_popescu: !rate funkenstein_ 2 dwarf banker and not the antichrist.
assbot: You rated user funkenstein_ on 15-Mar-2015, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: New blood.
mircea_popescu: not sure mr f knows it tho, in truth i've been laying into him of late like he were the antichrist or something.
phf: i was referring to what you said about bayesian thinking and then chesterly talking about his experience
mircea_popescu: but, to make it perfectly clear, i don't believe funkenstein_ is to any significant degree related to the foregoing. that'sd what i mean by primed, i just see it everywhere now/
phf: huh, not the first time somebody joins during a thread to demonstrate thread's point
Chesterly: in my experience, people on okcupid generally message others within their city, not across countries/continents etc.
mircea_popescu: he for instance reaches for phenomenology (what happened!!!) when nothing on the ground warrants a phenomenological explanation.
mircea_popescu: it also has a lot to do with an implicit presumption that the world is comprehensible in a very mechanicist way.
mircea_popescu: it has a lot to do with the sad situation where "everything not encountered before is surprising" - which is, incidentally, just another way to say "i'm stupid".
mircea_popescu: by now a clearer idea of this particular contemporary stupidity of the uneducated but bright young folk is starting to structure itself in my head, and ima call it bayesian.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ in fairness, i just got primed by some random okcupid retard. here he is : https://www.okcupid.com/profile/fierceEmpath?cf=messages and here's the derpage : http://dpaste.com/3X9GKFG
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ need any further proof your "bayesian" approach is not a sort of thinking ? :D
funkenstein_: i was under the impression y'all had never been out of doors let alone camping
phf: i like to have fire when camping, i spent formative years with su engineers doing ural hikes so as long as there's fire something can be cooked, where's grill has its own rules of engagement
mircea_popescu: i was thinking more along the lines of "doesn't know how to wash in a single gallon of water and probably won't even bother splashing it around uselessly unless it's preheated"
phf: can usually spot an eastern european or an american nature freak by how orderly their setup is. "this is where i cook my morning egg, just like i've been doing for the past 30 years"
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt anyone taught them kids how to stay within humanity while camping.
phf: more kazantip, then afrikaburn
thestringpuller: Burns are incredibly fun. And honestly it doesn't feel like roughing it. You just bring what you need and just exist. It's freedom from the default world.
mircea_popescu: the wot is taking over all teh things!
phf: i think it's starting to happen, i've heard from a few new york socialites now, that they've been going to carefully crafted versions of burning man like events. sort of coachella or edc, but smaller, with a pretense to roughing it, and with more psychedelics
thestringpuller: reminds me of Cowboy Bebop. We'll all be elderly then, "Back in my day..."
mircea_popescu: jsut you wait till the summer of 69 rolls around.
phf: that's the problem, i don't know anything on the list. someone released some album, someone else said something to someone else during something
mircea_popescu: anything good on the list ?
phf: i recently talked to a 15 year old, who told me that 2015 was more culturally significant then all the years since 1970 combined, he then proceeded to name things that happened in 2015 that i've never heard of. i said "excuse me" and walked away, but i still can't grok it.
mircea_popescu: let's get back to the sucking part.
thestringpuller: 19 year olds are all whiney "I'm going to change the world by doing X, but I have no idea how the world works so I'm just going to ignore that part!!!!11"
mircea_popescu: hm. okthen!
thestringpuller: the generation X kids all growed-up
phf: i once saw a rope suspension of a rather large lady done by a dedicated kinbaku student, instead of pretending like she's not fat, he worked with the material with honesty, and the result was so grotesque that the image got stuck in my head. that's what "milking their girlfriends" brings up in my head, a bunch of docile, suspended cows being
thestringpuller: yea. like 40 year olds who went to lollapalooza and stuff in the 90's
thestringpuller: i hang out with people older than you on the reg
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mircea_popescu: phf maybe they're vegan. ~equivalent!
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: didn't you state a straight male should prefer the company of women over men?
mircea_popescu: phf or their gfs.
mircea_popescu: and yet another reason i prefer women over men comes to light!
phf: my redneck friends took me to a state fair once, probably best "american" food i've had around DC area. icecream reminds me of the soviet one, that doesn't exist anymore. rich, fatty, none of them "substitutes", they were probably milking cows straight into the icecream mixer
thestringpuller: gf is good about working out and having good body. mine is turning to mush with all this work in the salt mines.
mircea_popescu: can even take the pick-ups of a to b for bonus points!
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people spend 5k to buy 300 dresses fob. send the girls over to pick up.
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mircea_popescu: phf you mean used by random idiot ? ever been to one of their competitive bbq-offs things ?
mircea_popescu: of course the us is pretty huge on the whole bbq thing. i can attest i had charcoal-made pulled pork and other such stuff and was wunderbar.
phf: hmm, that's actually worth a try. you still need to heat up the teapot though, so it goes on top of samovar, which means that whatever you burn is going to change the flavor of tea
mircea_popescu: afaik samovars were in fact used at the table. iirc even in the us you can get smokeless charcoal delivered
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thestringpuller: i thought alf would be like seinfeld episode there. "You gonna return it without cheese-y fingerprints over it?"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller not afaik, but you know... the man without an oscilloscope goes and visits alf's house whenever he needs one.
phf: it's mostly the variety and availability. i can combine various kettles/teapots and get a decent result
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: your friends import tea/grow it themselves?