mircea_popescu: ing systems on display at computer shows. Besting the closest competitor by weeks if not months. Contrast that with the common practice of the day, of running ads for a concept product, then using the money from the customer orders to develop the advertised hardware."
mircea_popescu: "Digital Group also offered a very wide range of hardware accessories. If it was available to computer users at the time, it was available to DG system owners, and usually first. A users group of the time reported (and I confirmed in conversation with Dr. Suding) that within two weeks of the release of the Zilog Z80 chip samples, Dr. Suding had finalized the design for the Digital Group Z80 processor card, and had work
mircea_popescu: (where "ux" means "making the user feel smart")
mircea_popescu: " As the tape was read, the screen would fill with the HEX or OCTAL page high address of the byte being loaded, testing the memory content for correctly loaded data as each byte was saved."
asciilifeform: but as in mircea_popescu's essay re: 'can't separate industry from maggotry', the era ~prior to that~ looked like univac and there was a market for mebbe 50 of them.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo wrote about that in his Qntra piece. << this one http://qntra.net/2015/12/the-false-dilemma-of-xt-versus-blockstream/#fn3-4718 It's cruel to point people to "BingoBoingo's Qntra Piece" without specifying which one, and as time goes on it will only become more cruel.
mircea_popescu: that lisp company isn't the only thing to have sunk irrespective of immense tech advantages in the history of computing.
mircea_popescu: and a keyboard as standard equipment with all of their systems."
mircea_popescu: our times the speed possible with any other manufacturers tape systems, and ten times faster than paper tape -- the only method available at the time for loading Micro Soft BASIC onto the Altair system. Of course, to even do that on an Altair, you had to buy a paper tape reader and an interface. Usually an ASR-33 Teletype and an SIO card. ($$$) By contrast, Digital Group systems included a video and cassette interface
mircea_popescu: This was the "Cadillac of computers". In 1975, when this system was introduced, Altair system owners were flipping switches for hours just to watch lights blink on the front panel of their systems. Digital Group system owners were throwing a power switch and loading an operating system in less than 20 seconds. The cassette interface, standard with DG systems, loaded programs at 1100 baud. At the time, this was nearly f
mircea_popescu: i dunno why the muricans don't recognize b's merits. he did the integral expansion which is the actual reason it's even useful.
mircea_popescu: heck, it's actually one of the oldest ideas in western thought.
mircea_popescu: i dun think the part about how limiting excessive medical procedurizing is the core of sane medicine was at all controversial.
funkenstein_: but I imagine I should hold off on exposing you to further of my dietary nuttery
funkenstein_: ascii is right I sympathize with saifedean and recommend a video "the business of being born"
mircea_popescu: there is something fundamentally wrong with people, intelligent or otherwise, who can't simply come out and say "mp said no, so it can't be done". just like there's something fundamentally wrong with people who can't simply come out and say "i tried pissing upwind and staying dry - it doesn't work".
copypaste: so that's why at first they were all in support of raising the blocksize, but then they all turned against gavin
copypaste: lol, which caused the xtcoin scam
mircea_popescu: pretending that a) didn't happen and then latter that b) if it happened it didn't matter and then even later that c) they did it anyway by themselves!!1
mircea_popescu: i dunno if you were around for / recall this, but after i singlehandedly nixed the original "block expansion" almost a year ago to the day, they spent A FUCKING YEAR
copypaste: i haven't seen one mention of the miner defection problem anywhere but b-a
copypaste: the funny thing is, to hear them describe it (luke jr, wuille, antonopolous, and so on) "segwit" (cute name) has no problems whatsoever and softforks are perfectly safe so everyone should start throwing their coins into segwit transactions so as to make the overall "capacity" of the network go up
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 15:49:35; copypaste: so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365154 << amusingly enough, asciilifeform has been saying (in general terms) that this is the inexorable future for the river of meat since 4eva.
mircea_popescu: in other words, intelligence is no bar against stupidity. they may be as intelligent as you wish, but certainly dumb as rocks. and so...
copypaste: i see. it's all about mindset, and their mindset is all wrong.
mircea_popescu: in fact... "there aren't many of them, and they're supposed to be intelligent" is not unlike saying "this cow doesn't belong in the pen, it gives a lot of milk which is rare". whether it goes in the pen or puts the would-be farmer in the pen strictly depends on how willing to http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=shoot+cop the cow finds itself.
mircea_popescu: whence would come such a sudden and complete change for the masses ? there is no such thing.
mircea_popescu: same thing. it's what it is. it's what they get.
mircea_popescu: they are doing exactly the same thing they do with their every waking move : banking on the ultimately doomed proposition that "this ledge will hold".
copypaste: so people going along with soft forks are literally just throwing their coins into a blackhole which will be opened whenever miners defect, which is a gaurantee as more muppets follow along with the softfork the potential gain from defecting rises
copypaste: i understand. thank you guys. i can't believe so called coredevs are supporting something which has such obvious problem as defecting miners dumping all transactions that follow the new rules. wtf.
mircea_popescu: and in random old shit, http://www.bytecollector.com/the_digital_group.htm
mircea_popescu: but in other news, http://41.media.tumblr.com/ac8c70f43411f20b384d6706e6ccb8a7/tumblr_ni0h5ywctv1twb3ixo1_1280.jpg
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people arguing absurdities on bet resolutions like it happens now and again are actually you know, stranded in an airport somewhere and got nothing better to do until the battery runs out.
kakobrekla: great planning there.
kakobrekla: the funniest was "pls hurry im traveling and out of cash"
kakobrekla: how are the bb payouts going btw ?
thestringpuller: http://qntra.net/2015/01/the-hard-fork-missile-crisis/#comment-7033 << ultimately it's a resource war TMSR definitely has upperhand here
mircea_popescu: if a billion people starve because their thousands of btc got stolen by greedy miners who saw an opportunity to revert a soft fork and took it - i'll cheer them on. that's a billion idiots less, and an absolutely ideal end state.
mircea_popescu: and if anyone imagines the "you wouldn't be willing to hurt innocents" is going to hold worth one stitch, please kindly review the history of accidental payments to bitbet and all that.
mircea_popescu: miner defection from any and all non-trb approved soft forks is a ~GUARANTEE~ in the future. just a question of when.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:45:13; adlai: if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk
shinohai: thestringpuller: yup, was going to try and emulate that CPU you showed me. Not sure abt the rest of the architecture tho :/
thestringpuller: i think the issue is with my machine architecture.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, 0/0 is still an undefined value - inasmuch as their time and effort is actually worthless then it can not be argued that they should stop what they're currentlyu doing.
mircea_popescu: clearly whether this happens or not is purely a matter of accident, which is to say a matter of time - all the pr derps can do exactly nothing to influence it any way
thestringpuller: yes. and as I told my mom "We can't have nice things cause there are stupid people who ruin it for everyone", i think bitcoin solves this problem effectively, but must stay ever vigilant
mircea_popescu: if that happens, all the "Soft forks" get reverted on the spot, and all the "hard work" and "contributions" go to the same place windows nt codebase went.
mircea_popescu: their projective ability to control the future is also absent, for this reason. consequently, it is not in any sense inconceivable that a situation will come to pass where the maintenance of their derpage requires resources nobody wishes to expend.
assbot: Logged on 04-01-2016 15:58:10; mircea_popescu: THEY however, with their needs to compensate for absent intelligence through the deployment of computing hardware, DO need the shit to "improve".
mircea_popescu: this said, it has to be pointed out that the one thing all these derps have in common is - that they can not afford to pay for the hardware that is required to run their software they've "contributed". (and re this, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=04-01-2016#1360176 is apropos.) in this sense the economic freestanding value of their "contributions" is null.
shinohai: Oh awesum. zzzzzzzzztook me a little longer to get a VM up than I thought, I'm in the process of upgrading to new lappy.
thestringpuller: imo this is why TRB Foundation is so important. it not only decrufts the shitty code but acts as defenders of the blockchain
thestringpuller: shinohai: i gave mod6 access to my box for further diagnostics
thestringpuller: if I broadcast tx and have to use block explorer or god forbid "upgrade" to see it confirm, then I take issue
mircea_popescu: if all the coffee buying "with bitcoin", all five of the yearly instances, moves on a deedbot-like thing or simply goes away it makes exactly 0 difference.
mircea_popescu: i am glad these dudes are here to do the lying so i don't have to, and with that... good riddance.
mircea_popescu: you could say that there is something fundamentally wrong with the fraudulent nature of their claims - because no, they're not moving bitcoin back and forth, but mere derivative tokens - but then again, to get the muppets to follow along and get out of actual human beings' way, you usually have to lie to them.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller there is fundamentally nothing wrong with people using the permanence nature of the blockchain to enshrine data relevant to them in it. we do it already, with deedbot.
shinohai: thestringpuller: any luck with your node?
thestringpuller: "An interesting consequence of this design is that, since all mapped blocks are empty, old clients will never see transactions confirming." << there are proposed soft forks which will essentially fork other nodes off the network.
assbot: Logged on 04-06-2014 00:08:26; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the buggers' traditional defense is to pretend that the event was a non-event - or, if this is impractical, to continue living in an imaginary world where they 'scooped' the story first, and all of the 'unsanctioned' discussion never happened.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:40:52; copypaste: i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it,
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365036 << like they, and everyone else in the indistinct usg hydra, reacts every single time this happens, as it does weekly by now : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-06-2014#700916
thestringpuller: that's what's irking me about the softfork nuclear option
mircea_popescu: seeing how exactly 100% of bitcoin businesses are run by people here, it'll be a funny dispute between you know, the actual bitcoin people and all the derps sitting at the edges and opining about how things should be.
assbot: Logged on 05-01-2016 19:28:40; mircea_ahoy: direct any complaints as to "why my txn has been waiting for x days" to anyone and everyone who is running non-conformant bitcoin implementations. starting with the pools.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365042 << they may use it up until they run into http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=05-01-2016#1360917
mircea_popescu: lot of other good stuff on that site.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 12:41:58; copypaste: adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1365037 see http://thebitcoin.foundation/charter.html
mircea_popescu: " Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of local force of six, is the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal forces." becomes "Harney County Sheriff David Ward, who normally presides over a force of locally forced six is now the public face of the combined government effort lead by Federal Force IV."
mircea_popescu: "who normally presides over a force of local force of six," nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: anyway, all the lulz aside, someone point out to the guy that the guidance is for employers and other "covered entitites", and his "quarelling couple in a bar" chosen example is entirely nonsensical. what the fuck is with these idiots, nobody went to school that speaks english ? a fucking generation of kelly bundys out there for the love of christ.
mircea_popescu: "Apologists for this kind of SJW fascism will contend that the $250,000 fine is not mandatory and is a maximum, as if it somehow eliminates the farce of the laws new interpretation." << you know, consensus will enforce the lower limit.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364995 << ahahaha what the everloving fuck.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 06:50:13; BingoBoingo: ;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364961 << ironically enough, in classical ro medicine (ie, pre 1990) ketonic bodies in bloodstream was part of the semiology manual.
adlai: copypaste: also check out http://p2sh.info/ which I like to interpret as the bounties available to defecting miners, should full nodes let them revert each respective soft fork
adlai: what happens with segwit is that people who do opt-in, have significantly less security in the face of miner defection
adlai: if you run a full node which has no recognition of segwit, you can still operate normally. segwit is dangerous for a) users of non-full nodes who think they have "SPV security" (whatever that may mean), and b) everybody, if enough utxos use segwit that miner defection becomes a real risk
copypaste: right, but i'm pretty sure that script hash transactions are something that has to be opted into, meanwhile "segregated witness" if to work "well" (i.e. for maximum transactions) would have to be invisible to the user, as in on by default
adlai: no, the foundation issues its own statements, such as: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-December/000184.html
copypaste: adlai: does BingoBoingo/qntra speak for the bitcoin foundation?
copypaste: i'd be especially curious how the bitcoin foundation would react if more than half of transactions were using it,
copypaste: i think they should make a statement on it if it gets into Bitcoin "Core", since it seems to have wide support (but this support could just be imaginary on my part)
adlai: copypaste: i don't speak on their behalf, but it's highly doubtful that it'll include such opt-in softforks
copypaste: (i mean thebitcoin.foundation, not any fake one)
copypaste: will the bitcoin foundation be accepting "segregated witness" into its client?
BingoBoingo: Same link on Oathers: "A local Committee for Safety, which coordinates with Oath Keepers, has approached the protesters and asked them to leave."
BingoBoingo: Because oh, militant opposition groups aren't for the United States. They are only for Countries they CIA plants them in.
BingoBoingo: Research-a-lol "The Associated Press has gone from describing the protesters as a militia to armed men or armed ranchers, saying the word militia confuses its international audience." >> https://www.rt.com/usa/328143-oregon-militia-occupation-land-rights/
ith: They have stolen my brain code and use electromagnetic weapons to manipulate me by making it appear that sounds are coming from beneath concrete floors, etc. to try to drive me crazy
pete_dushenski: from mr. reed, who unfortunately doesn't have a comments section with which to correct his lack of 'bahamas' : "I’m going to move to Mexico. I swear I am. Except that I already have. Well, I’m going to move there twice. It’s to get away from Hussein Obama."
ith: (on the phone)
ith: I struggle daily to survive and find a way to be free of these people
ith: pete_dushenski: I am being held prisoner by the Illuminati and can't escape. All day I try to survive relentlous attacks on my mind from my mother, my father and others who speak to me from the apartment downstairs, and manipulate me by directing messages to me (appearing to be speaking to a caller), in the case of my father, from the living room
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: saw the same 'pulses' suggestion in cbc's article on grocery store inflation
BingoBoingo: Frome the mines, health scamzors getting poor: "Move over, quinoa, kale, and açaí 2016s newest superfood might come in a familiar package (or can). Pulses the dried edible seeds of legume plants, which include things like lentils, dried peas, and beans are hoping to get their moment in the spotlight, thanks in part to a United Nations campaign to make 2016 the International Year of Pulses."
pete_dushenski: ah neat. i have an aunt there.
ben_vulpes: guarding plebs from the madness of irrational numbers!
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 05:24:10; *: asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures'
ben_vulpes: someone has opinions about the curve
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364718 << unpasteurised milk is also key for making the best perogy cheese
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 04:42:13; danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> here's a fun fact : you can buy raw milk in romania << same here in Connecticut, the one state in all of the ussa that permits sale outside of a farm
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-01-2016#1364713 << quebec is only canadian province, probably because their laws are a little more 'flexible' than the rest. or maybe just because they're not ~complete~ puritanical riris.
BingoBoingo: <bitstein> it's an interesting idea << It's how I'm interpreting Pierre's twitter trolling. Anyways it is hard to hold people to what they say on the social media playground of propagandaneering
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell saifedean Re: your tweets. I am sorry I can not help you at this time. If however your ketone dependence makes you hit bottom and your life becomes unmanagable, there's probably a group for that.
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 03:54:17; mircea_popescu: but anyway. natural birth has a huge following in the states. almost unknown in yurp.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The idea is the burden of "consensus" forces the status quo 1MB blocksize to be preserved
pete_dushenski: heya bitstein, you ever figure out what happened to your boy pierre ? seemed like he went off the reservation of late re:
BingoBoingo also floored by the dairy hate, WHERE ELSE DOES WHEY COME FROM???
pete_dushenski: though i recall playing with one at the store as a boy, quite an intriguing bit of kit at the time
pete_dushenski: re: virtual boy, this is why the oculus rift this ~will not~ take off
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 03:21:26; punkman: http://kotaku.com/5784314/the-nintendo-theyve-tried-to-forget-gambling-gangsters-and-love-hotels
BingoBoingo: But yes, when the ketosis people talk about feeling sick when consuming carbs they really are feeling sick. Dope sick, just like a junkie dosed with narcan.
BingoBoingo apologizes for not being around to say this to the addicts, was at addict story time club poker game doubling my quarters.
BingoBoingo: Could simulate these changes with benzodiazepine dependence (which is why people who do the Keto thing recreationally start to feel sick when carbs are introduced, ketosis stops and they undergo a drug withdrawal)
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, sean penn is a secret agent http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/features/el-chapo-speaks-20160109
BingoBoingo: Which induces a bunch of other changes.
BingoBoingo: The people who end up on all fats for fuel end up having to feed the brain ketones which works as an anticonvulsant, but for the same reason alcohol does. Unbalance electrical activity in the brain is forced to slow because now burning suboptimal fuel.
assbot: Logged on 09-01-2016 18:52:52; BingoBoingo: Anyone want an Illinois lottery powerball ticket for tonight's 900 million dollar drawing, for the potential collection lulz?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-01-2016#1364239 << "The odds of winning are 1 in 292.2 million. So the expected value of a ticket is $800*1/292.2=$2.73. A ticket only costs $2 so that’s a positive expected value purchase! We do have to make a few adjustments, however. The $800 million is paid out over 30 years while the $2 is paid out today."
mircea_popescu: that said, the only certainty is that one day it'll fail to bring you back to homeostasis, and that's that.
mircea_popescu: the limits are that on one hand you certainly can not have no fat and live ; and on the other the brain burns glucose exclusively. it is about 20 times more difficult to make it out of fat than it is to just rectify sugars, but the body'll do it if it has to.
mircea_popescu: it should be obvious that one wants a mix of these three sources in their diet. (starches, such as breads etc, are all sweets for thid discussion, so is alcohol).
mircea_popescu: about 150-200 grams a day. there is similarly a fixed capacity to process fats. these also go through the liver, but mostly the bile is the limiting factor there. meanwhile sweets go through the pancreatic-centered insulin mechanism.
mircea_popescu: anyway, for the people following the nutrition discussion along at home : the average human needs something to the tune of 2k calories a day to sit around and derp on social media. a little more if he actually moves. the sources of these calories can be protein, fat or sweets, there is nothing else. protein and sweets count at about 4 calories/gram, fat at about 7. the liver has a fixed capacity to process proteins, at
mircea_popescu: altogether not impossible.
mircea_popescu: actually... iirc he did manage to get some asicminer shares at some point, which for a period were deemed worthless, but which then came up once they delivered and made his investors whole, or maybe close to it, or at least so he claimed at the time.
mircea_popescu: after that didn't happen he had a moment of butthurt, then moved on to dealing in partnering up with usagi and giving away with both hands the few k's of btcs he did somehow collect (at the time btc was like 2 bux) in exchange for ridiculously valued worthless paper,
mircea_popescu: anyway, diablo-d3 is a guy that did some work on one of the earliest independent miners (ie, gpu based not cpu based like the origian client), then followed up with a lulzy explosion at tardstalk over his plan to collect 1mn btc which "the community" owed him, and then use it to build some fantastic datacenter-cum-powerplant altogether reminescent of http://trilema.com/2010/moment-de-visare/
assbot: Logged on 10-01-2016 05:26:59; mircea_popescu: dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same.
mircea_popescu: now there's a worthy cause, de-win one's diet.
ben_vulpes: saifedean, funkenstein_, and DiabloD3 - the list of dietary nutters grows...
pete_dushenski reaches for cognac all the same
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: too slow to leave the film running
pete_dushenski: and all i was doing was copying subtitles, and i was still floored by the volume
pete_dushenski: so turns out transcript work is not for the faint of heart.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: the one who was really rather talented but sold it all for western trinkets ?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: just who /is/ the 'brightest mind in banking alive today'?
mircea_popescu: eh enough of the crap
mircea_popescu: iirc you're the guy that upon examination turned out to be bereft of experience in the matter.
saifedean: the most amusingly funny aspect of this is that you folk sound exactly like my economist colleagues dismissing bitcoin... you don't know anything about it, but you can make up enough strawmen and groupthink to feel better about dismissing it
mircea_popescu: but ... i'm addicted to taking the bitchez on nude walks!
asciilifeform: and aha don't forget to mention their 'favourite' recommendation, 'go live in antarctica'
mircea_popescu: go talk to israeli jews about you know, your solution to their geopolitical problems.
trinque: and one neat trick they dun want u to kno
trinque: punkman: fun to be the bearer of secret knowledge
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron it's a pity they didn't put any copyright notices opn that page. for one thing, copyright doesn't work without a notice, and for the other - someone could steal their muzak!
punkman: saifedean: it's peculiar that every time you visit you want to have the same discussion
mircea_popescu: dude gets caught talking out of his ass - for the third time in an evening only, so i guess that's not so bad - switches seamlessly to more of the same.
saifedean: now quit meat for a month and get back to it, and it'll be the best day of your life when you have your first steak in a month
saifedean: lol you guys are addicted to the sugar rush and insulin spike... try to get over that addiction for a month, then try pasta and see how it feels
mircea_popescu: dude, the more you eat anything the more you kill yourself. go vacuseal your carcass already.
saifedean: but that's not how it works. grains are fucking poison, and the more you eat, the more you kill yourself. there is no "too much", any quantity is bad. if you can get over your sugar addiction enough to cut it all out, you'd be far healthier
asciilifeform finds it interesting how well dietary crackpottery fits with the ancient tradition of 'salvation by rejecting flesh pleasures'
saifedean: there's nothing wrong with cyanide, too, by that logic
mircea_popescu: there's nothing wrong with pasta. just don't eat too much of it.
saifedean: they're an improvement over bread and pasta, but they're not what's gonna make you strong and healthy
bitstein: mircea_popescu: my problem with "paleo" is it doesn't take itself seriously. paleo people eat so many foods that are only a few thousand years old. just look to their favorite veggies like broccoli, kale, cauliflower... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassica_oleracea
saifedean: that's very profound coming from someone whose only real problem with trying paleo is their addiction to cake :D
mircea_popescu: you know, like the xtians have "their own" xtian rock, and the boring kids have their own "straight edge" punk which is all about punk if you live in wichita.
mircea_popescu: from an anthropologist's pov, this entire "paleo" thing is pretty much a bunch of boys wanting to be as annoying as the vegans but not ready to embrace metrosexualism or w/e it's called.
mircea_popescu: every slut out there knows, that she can either sleep enough or age prematurely. ask 'em.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they only live on atomic dirigible
mircea_popescu: you don't spend enough time with the chicks >1.80 alfie.
mircea_popescu: yes they are.
asciilifeform: but notice how no one is hyping the (very demonstrable) health benefits of... sleeping ad libitum
asciilifeform: dietary crackpottery is interesting psychiatrically. and fundamentally works - in the eating just about ANYTHING, even gravel, is healthier than subsisting on american petro-garbage
saifedean: and if you spent your entire life walking on your hands... it will sound crazy when someone tells you these hands would do a better job on a keyboard than feet!
mircea_popescu: the chief merit of the human body is that it's so incredibly tolerant, it'll carry forward all sorts of bizarre notions of the inhabitant.
bitstein: Yea, I have these good for nothing canines and incisors.
trinque: bitstein: strange how your teeth don't look much like the teeth of an animal that makes this its business.
saifedean: the criteria unfortunately is not money, it's cake!
bitstein: you're in argentina, one of the cheapest places on earth to run such an experiment
saifedean: orly? no normal human? i guess diabetes at 40 sounds grand, then
mircea_popescu: it looks like the letter șm.
saifedean: the road is a multivariate problem, after all
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as a normal human.
saifedean: while your friends will be shitting their pants in retirement homes on diabetes medication, you'll be out there living life like a normal human
punkman: why spent time on and believe in either modern- or paleo- nutrition science?
mircea_popescu: eh. you keep approaching a multivariate problem with a good feeling about having found the right single variable this time.
saifedean: asciilifeform: the point is to join the cemetary at the same time as the high school class 30 years your junior
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bitstein: mircea_popescu: eh how'd you know << http://activenocarber.myfreeforum.org/ftopic22-0-0-asc-.php http://highsteaks.com/carnivores-creed/vilhjalmur-stefansson/the-fat-of-the-land-not-by-bread-alone/ http://www.slideshare.net/ancestralhealth/miki-ben-dor-ahs13-slides
saifedean: ladies and gentlement i present you my first witness and exhibit A... the great paleo convert Bitstein of Texas, prayers and blessings be upon him
mircea_popescu: you just liked the gypsy twists.
mircea_popescu: punkman and another insider joke falls slain by your attentive read!
mircea_popescu: http://www.joiana.ro/ro/reteaua-de-dozatoare-automate-de-lapte-timisoara << check it out, that;s actually the thing.\
saifedean: daniel, i didn't know that, might pop across the border next time I'm in NYC to see what it's like
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron technically this was on a farm. the way they sorted it out was that the farm rented 20 sqft from the supermarket, plopped a machine down there. serviced it daily, there's a resident tech that does analytics.
mircea_popescu: my money says they'd find a point of principle to disagree on and not be on speaking terms.
saifedean: gotta finish popping babies and feeding them properly first, then focus on econ, then alchemy... theoretical physics does not interest me much
mircea_popescu: for my part, for the past two weeks i've only been slapping butts with my left hand and i've never been taller.
mircea_popescu: you should be an alchemist and write great books on theoretical physics.
saifedean: the last two months i've basically eaten nothing but fatty meat, never been healthier
mircea_popescu: eh how'd you know. at least that dude has the excuse of a lot of bad dinners all over.
punkman: grandma always boiled the raw milk, I'm sticking with that
mircea_popescu: dude... cows, ok, i can see, they don't grow everywhere.
saifedean: did the job, im alive and healthy
mircea_popescu: not your mother's. as an adult!
saifedean: yes, my mother's
saifedean: look, i'd love to try good raw milk, and if you can hook a brother up, let me know... but, you know, it ain't the be all end all of human knowledge
mircea_popescu: "i never had x but had y which is much better" is what you said to me ? how the fuck'd you know!
mircea_popescu: what makes the discussion difficult is the significant chasm between what'd you want and what actrually is there.
mircea_popescu: you've tried the opposite but never suckled off a cow.
saifedean: unfortunately those people don't write, but fortunately, some people who do write have studied them... like weston price
saifedean: the problem with this sort of debate is that i've lived the life of the cake-munching sugar-addled modern nutrition believing fatty, and i've tried the opposite... which makes this conversation difficult
saifedean: ah, if only they sold that on amazon ascii
asciilifeform: but where the hell is my philosopher's stone.