BingoBoingo: I'll have to wait till the video pops up on the news again. Thought this one was a wheeled tank
asciilifeform: iguess usg accomplished ~sumthing~, lol, nao they can stink about 'spooled onto tank treads' for 30 yrs like they do over cn
BingoBoingo: During a time where a bunch of confused Venezolanos thought Guiadó's orders were Maduros. Note the armed services settled out of rebellion after the deception was discovered.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910421 << aaactually! nao that i think about it, you may have noticed that the clay fish with boar tusks is missing. cuz i bought it and took home , lol
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910416 << correct, afaik it's the 1 vacant amd box atm
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:59 diana_coman: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform I'm looking for a machine to use as experimentation-ground for all sorts of republican software (e.g. cuntoo, logbot); my rockchip fine as it is at doing its blog-hosting job, turns out to be essentially the wrong architecture for this sort of use so I need something else; what can Pizarro offer (even in medium term, it's not something burning)?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910415 << diana_coman would dulap-style box suffice ? there is one. ( mp_en_viaje pointed out downthread, same 1 as hanbot worked on )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-16 15:40 asciilifeform wonders re status of the 'escape from fleanode' proj..
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform posed the q recently, and nuffin came out )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 08:07 mp_en_viaje: aaand b) who's working on the ircd federating thing ? specifically as described in http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128270 and then sporadically discussed throughout march, but in the intolerable "techrights" manner of discussing things.
asciilifeform: iirc there was actually a mircea_popescu design doc re subj, but for some reason cannot find it nao in O(1)
asciilifeform: ( or -- alternatively -- 'gateway' www , where e.g., http://foo.bar/btcbase.org/log , and hook all of our heathen dns records to point to said box, or a constellation of same ? )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:45 mp_en_viaje: we're just about at a point where we're ripe for addressin gthe interesting bootstrapping problems that it raises.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910401 << how to handle log links on e.g. blog, such that heathen-loadable tho. ( naked ip, and s/old/new when changes ? )
asciilifeform: ( i.e. apparently they lose to catv, which long ago produced almost a linux distro of sorts )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:33 mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, honestly, the thing seems a case of "well, we've been doing nothing in particular for a decade or so, it should be good enough".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910392 << i tried and then failed to unearth some evidence that they at some point had done anyffin
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 07:14 mp_en_viaje: wherein is a text file : "for linux users, please download the driver for your system from our website".
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910386 << iirc i mentioned this yr+ ago, ~0 of the commonly sold 802.11-whatever dongles , work under any form of linux ( the kind where you throw in binariola from ??? cn www , i will not include in category 'linux' ... )
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 13:18 mp_en_viaje is in the exact lounge of http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/#selection-75.0-79.116
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910420 << lol i was in there also last yr and was , well, entirely same, like tutankhamon's tomb
mp_en_viaje is in the exact lounge of http://trilema.com/2014/ca-tot-s-a-tras-tot-s-a-fumat-tot-s-a-baut-tot-cum-e-peste-tot-la-fel-ca-peste-tot/#selection-75.0-79.116
diana_coman: BingoBoingo, asciilifeform I'm looking for a machine to use as experimentation-ground for all sorts of republican software (e.g. cuntoo, logbot); my rockchip fine as it is at doing its blog-hosting job, turns out to be essentially the wrong architecture for this sort of use so I need something else; what can Pizarro offer (even in medium term, it's not something burning)?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile : /me shall be back later today ; and the plan's for settled operations to resume next week. enough en_viaje-ing for a while!
mp_en_viaje: specifically, do you want to pick up that b or would you rather save yourself for something really painful and gnarly, probably to do with "recuperate the x / opengl stack and write me a better blender replacement" ?
mp_en_viaje: phf, what are you doing these days ?
mp_en_viaje: aaand b) who's working on the ircd federating thing ? specifically as described in http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128270 and then sporadically discussed throughout march, but in the intolerable "techrights" manner of discussing things.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 05:46 lobbes: So with the release of the auctionbot vpatch the next item up in my list was the auto-bidding. However, I'm thinking I may bump the "logotron for #pizarro" item up (eventually releasing as a vpatch). Going to take a stab at making it 100% common lisp.
mp_en_viaje: a) who's doing the mega-logger ? i suppose i should quietly merge it into http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910378 ; give him a taste of "0, 1, infinity" especially as it works when everyone's sitting on ass "what's your opinion on this thing i read about on wikipedia", ie "every one turns into an infinity", huh.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-12 23:25 mircea_popescu: anyways, imo the matter still stands. originally my idea was that phf will put up a drawing of a dwarf with a humongo hammer at the close of the 2nd chapter in the tmsr saga (as per last words of http://trilema.com/2019/the-freenode-issue/#comment-128287 ), but i guess instead it'll be a ... large spider ? wtf.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-24 15:26 mircea_popescu: speaking of federation and stuff : hey spyked phf ben_vulpes : how much trouble would it be to log every channel in every network over 50 users ? item shouldn't be publicly exposed, but as a fullsearch query (say limited from l1). something like !Xircs "naked sluts" nin?s returning all the lines matching, in a paste encrypted to caller.
mp_en_viaje: and speaking of things on the todo list : http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-24#1904208 ? http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-12#1901636 / http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-25#1904685 ?
mp_en_viaje: we're just about at a point where we're ripe for addressin gthe interesting bootstrapping problems that it raises.
mp_en_viaje: who wants to do the tmsr dns ? jurov ? mod6 ? Mocky maybe ? mats ?
mp_en_viaje: this is a ridoinculous state of affairs ; as the wolf found sharpening his teeth told the inquiring mind, "i sharpen them now that i have no one to fight, because when i'll have someone to fight i won't have the time for it".
a111: Logged on 2019-04-29 15:39 asciilifeform: i'ma guess diana_coman is using mircea_popescu's method. canhaz the current ip, diana_coman plox ?
mp_en_viaje: it's high fucking time we got off ass ; why is republican primary dns system something we're paying money to empire for ? why is the correct alternative in teh minority ?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-14 12:58 mircea_popescu: (likely the patch will come in the shape of a dnsmasq clone, which will handle stuff like "tld" as well as things like http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-12#1566482 via settings etc)
mp_en_viaje: nobody can help the devitalized.
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, honestly, the thing seems a case of "well, we've been doing nothing in particular for a decade or so, it should be good enough".
mp_en_viaje: which is the whole fucking problem.
mp_en_viaje: if, of course, IF you're willing to use them and know how to use them. if, in other words, you have fame and influence FOR MERIT, rather than by accident/.
mp_en_viaje: fucking bullshit. i wasn't on the
mp_en_viaje: wherein is a text file : "for linux users, please download the driver for your system from our website".
mp_en_viaje: in vaguely related lulz : bimbo's lappy's internets are broken. so i bought her an usb dongle. item pops up as a stick, containing (of course), autorun.exe. and also a list of contents, somewjere in tjere, which tells us there's a "Linux" directory for linux users.
a111: Logged on 2019-05-01 05:46 lobbes: So with the release of the auctionbot vpatch the next item up in my list was the auto-bidding. However, I'm thinking I may bump the "logotron for #pizarro" item up (eventually releasing as a vpatch). Going to take a stab at making it 100% common lisp.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-05-01#1910378 << getting some slack in the logging process is probably quite useful at this point.
lobbes: So with the release of the auctionbot vpatch the next item up in my list was the auto-bidding. However, I'm thinking I may bump the "logotron for #pizarro" item up (eventually releasing as a vpatch). Going to take a stab at making it 100% common lisp.
BingoBoingo: Also, other than CIA derps firing shots and some human shields finding their way under take treads, Maduro appears to have survived/won the day
mod6: Evening TMSR~: The Bitcoin Foundation, STATE OF BITCOIN Address will be out in two to three days. ty!
BingoBoingo: https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/talvi-pide-respetar-veda-de-publicidad-electoral-ante-violaciones-y-critico-a-sartori-2019430191735 << Difference between local and USistan election ads. The ads here tell you where the candidate is going to be.
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: we shall get to the bottom of this.
asciilifeform: lol just when asciilifeform begins to think 'maybe they have clue' -- out comes the systemdism, sslism
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: afaik not really similar, was moar of a kindergarten 'point an' laff at the monkey'
mp_en_viaje: used to be the whole blackface thing
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, his was not so bad either!
asciilifeform: drunken idiot walks into a tram. pushes his way through the aisle, knocking over bags, etc. pronounces 'i will walk on your heads!' people grumble, move. but bald man does not move. spits on his hand, lathers up his already shining noggin. 'may you slip!'
asciilifeform: the folx who know how to sit still long enuff -- have a chance.
mp_en_viaje: not even that, i don't think. rather, you know, "explain this whole quantum thing" "well... first, there's the wave function. actually no, wait. first, there's the quantification, and therefore the atomic model, and besides mercury precession and consider how prettily lorenz contraction works with schroedinger equation..."
asciilifeform: there's an activation energy barrier , of sorts, even with bright heathens, where 'waddayamean yer not in the cage with us, yer saying cage has an outside?!'
asciilifeform: interesting : i kept waiting for the 'catv moment' but nope
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, dood, they don't have A LOGGER.
asciilifeform: they have log, but for some reason not updated in realtime
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 09:18 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910197 << /me joined. lulzily enough (but keeping to tradition), there's a name i recognize in the list.
asciilifeform: typical of folx mired in heathendom but with some vague lick of sense.
asciilifeform: there's an atmosphere of... how does one 'безнадёга' in eng.
mp_en_viaje: anyway, maybe something there, kinda hard to evaluate right nao
asciilifeform: XRevan86 iirc was the nick
asciilifeform: ( only joined the thing itself this morning )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910285 << not specifically, but i judge the pics decent blogging material.
asciilifeform: if mp_en_viaje was in there i missed it tho
asciilifeform: there's a ru d00d, with at least half a brain, and buncha ???s.
asciilifeform: read some of their log even.
mp_en_viaje: o btw, saw the techrights discussion ?
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: not sure where i got the notion. dun seem to have any corresponding knob in reality, aha
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 14:25 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910215 << iirc it is actually possible for unauthenticated third party to renew dnsisms (provided the record is unchanged) . (anyone recall how ? and did i dream this? )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-22 00:00 asciilifeform: in entirely unrelated heathen lulz : asciilifeform found an -- apparently working -- usb 'serial device' stack for ice40 . only eats 1/3 of the LUTs in the '8k', too.
asciilifeform: nao the usual hot/humid
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 14:22 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910209 << this is a solvable problem -- given a) lang that actually supports modularization ( ada & common lisp, afaik, being the only such currently ) ; b) mandatorily compact system soft (i.e. specifically opposed to mil+ loc of liquishit c) generous public whippings for 'the dancers who are hindered by own arse'
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 12:17 diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910244 -> bwahaha, so smecher -> slut and fetii mosului -> the girls of the mosque, it might be on to something there; but yes, wooden tongue 2.0; I keep having deja vu on this but I can't quite turn it up if indeed it was discussed previously with same conclusion.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910275 << that "girls of the mosque" has decent chances of making it into coinage. it is a harem after all, amirite.
BingoBoingo: Apparently the CIA coup in Vzla has reached its violent stage
a111: Logged on 2018-10-13 03:25 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i used a 'trigraph' index, they're O(~n log n) , if yer interested.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 09:07 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910127 << "It hasnt got a search." is truly withering. even in good quality scientific work of the late 1800s, with properly made indices and everything else [for the use of the, at the time still workign, british parliamentary life], i ~still~ feel bogged down.
asciilifeform: it aint as if 'oh this clump of transistors dissolved , i'ma simply guess what may've been there' is a viable algo.
asciilifeform: i'ma defo publish the microscopies tho, when they finally happen. ( which won't be for a while, not only 0 free hands currently, but i gotta either delayer the thing with own hands or find someone whose hands grow from right place, to do it )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 08:31 mp_en_viaje: i wonder how many of these ubersmart fucktards need to die, and i do mean it quite literally, terry davis is as stiff as stiff gets, that other fucktard idem, there's no poetic license here, no rhetoric figure. i wonder how many of these fucktards still have to DIE before the notion finally raises in their stupid if thick skulls that stupid infanitle shit a la http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907214 is ~IMPER
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910238 << given that 'hunchback straightens in the grave' -- i'd expect all of'em
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910215 << iirc it is actually possible for unauthenticated third party to renew dnsisms (provided the record is unchanged) . (anyone recall how ? and did i dream this? )
a111: Logged on 2018-04-06 21:12 asciilifeform: a 500k-loc ( ignoring even for a moment the far greater heft of 'modern' wonders ) c/cpp proggy is, for all intents and purposes, closed-source, even if every line is published, because it is quite impossible for anyone -- even author -- to get a proper grip on its behaviour space
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 08:06 mp_en_viaje: fact, ~even for well written, well designed code~ the promise you won't be stuck reccompiling the whole god damned thing every time you change a line is but a promise.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910209 << this is a solvable problem -- given a) lang that actually supports modularization ( ada & common lisp, afaik, being the only such currently ) ; b) mandatorily compact system soft (i.e. specifically opposed to mil+ loc of liquishit c) generous public whippings for 'the dancers who are hindered by own arse'
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 08:57 mp_en_viaje: spyked, diana_coman check this shit out : as per google trasnlate, "To understand ourselves from the beginning, what's a slut? Ehehei, the girls of the mosque, the dumb is not the shoe. ' And sucker? Hahaha. Well that sucker is who puts the shoe '. Lamuriti? Mine, we're going." is the equivalent of "
diana_coman: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910244 -> bwahaha, so smecher -> slut and fetii mosului -> the girls of the mosque, it might be on to something there; but yes, wooden tongue 2.0; I keep having deja vu on this but I can't quite turn it up if indeed it was discussed previously with same conclusion.
mp_en_viaje apologizes for saying he'll be back fri and then never showing up. too much good wine here.
mp_en_viaje: i hear pretty cunts grow there.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-29#1910193 << oh how was georgia ? pics ? worth taking the slutharvesters over ?
a111: Logged on 2019-04-28 15:23 asciilifeform: in this case, a local physics lab ( erry year they give tour to gawkers , i enjoy posing sadistic questions to the academicoolies )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-28 08:28 diana_coman: asciilifeform: so basically the "can't have x" is more indicative of "didn't look for it irl seriously enough"?
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-28#1910146 << this is turning into something quite like the classical stories about faith. "knock and the wall stays a wall ; but knock with faith and the mountain will move aside!"
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 21:50 asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform met with some meatspace folx who rent out time on sem & ion beam station by the hr. 'bout a hundy per hr.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 21:11 lobbes: I guess I don't see the problem atm with having the two branches, though I welcome being convinced/pointed-to-log-threads (I've been re-reading the threads referenced in spyked's blog, but still have to finish, so possibly not grokking some fundamental bits discussed somewhere)
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910136 << i don't see the major impediment either fwiw.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-30 01:20 asciilifeform: http://techrights.org/2019/04/21/irc-log-27012019/ << these people even have logtron. ( quick read gives strong flavour of 'catv'... but i did not dig in detail )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-30#1910197 << /me joined. lulzily enough (but keeping to tradition), there's a name i recognize in the list.
mp_en_viaje: works the way everyone knows it to work -- highly depreciating asset of little economic value [if great social service] in a very unreliable political climate.)
mp_en_viaje: (incidentally, this is the reason marriage contract"
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 16:59 BingoBoingo: And Petrobras fires back at the natural gas derps and Uruguay by putting all of their gas station chain up for sale, Great Victory for labor... https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/petrobras-puso-a-la-venta-sus-estaciones-de-servicio-en-el-pais-20194262343
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910131 << nobody's gonna buy infrastructure in latin america, gimme a break. five cents to the book dollar should it go for, there's still not going to be any buyers.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910127 << "It hasnt got a search." is truly withering. even in good quality scientific work of the late 1800s, with properly made indices and everything else [for the use of the, at the time still workign, british parliamentary life], i ~still~ feel bogged down.
mp_en_viaje: but in fact, i suspect, the solution came rather from the other direction : since they have nothing to say and nobody to say it to anyway, they've started only saying those things for which the technology works admirably well. wooden tongue v2.0.
mp_en_viaje: everyone i meet seems to think "the power of technology", as embodied in ustardistan's websites, has resolved all sort and manner of ancient problems, such as translation.
mp_en_viaje: spyked, diana_coman check this shit out : as per google trasnlate, "To understand ourselves from the beginning, what's a slut? Ehehei, the girls of the mosque, the dumb is not the shoe. ' And sucker? Hahaha. Well that sucker is who puts the shoe '. Lamuriti? Mine, we're going." is the equivalent of "
mp_en_viaje: here i am stuck repressing everyone's perfectly legitimate tendency to put stones on the graves of the intelligent because these intelligent were in point of fact SO FUCKING STUPID as to be worse than the dumb.
mp_en_viaje: beating women in the street with no provication may perhaps be even excused, raping random girlies picked from grammar school gun in hand could perhaps be explained, but putting up idiotic airs of "mental independence" an' "intellectual skepticism" etcetera in front of the edifice of reason is NOT FUCKING POSSIBLE. can't be done, can't pass, can't work, holy hell how hard is it.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-07 00:04 OriansJ: asciilifeform: Having spent time reading the log; I am less than impressed
mp_en_viaje: i wonder how many of these ubersmart fucktards need to die, and i do mean it quite literally, terry davis is as stiff as stiff gets, that other fucktard idem, there's no poetic license here, no rhetoric figure. i wonder how many of these fucktards still have to DIE before the notion finally raises in their stupid if thick skulls that stupid infanitle shit a la http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-07#1907214 is ~IMPER
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 14:06 asciilifeform: it aint even so hard to implement ~on pc~ -- poor madman terry davis, ~had it~ . ( asciilifeform happens to think that davis read his www, but at this pt only beelzebub knows, whether read or came to the obv notion on own steam.. )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910118 << but hey, at least was independent cocksucker, didn't come about to suck our pricks like god ordained ; instead lived independently!!! as smart tarabostes!!!
mp_en_viaje: average hotel wench so dedicated to her job, gladly will help you test the beds with her.
mp_en_viaje: nice policy they have. alright.
mp_en_viaje: ah so ~any time in may works ? ok, ima definitely get to it by then.
phf: so there's a 31 day grace period, on the 5th day the domain can be bid on via auction, to be sold on the 31st. (if it's not bid on there's a 34-64 days further grace extension at $75)
phf: is the registration handled through namesilo?
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile what be the ip in question ?
mp_en_viaje: what fun and excitement the online world reserves one!
mp_en_viaje: anyways, ima see to it then, hopefully i can entangle this befoar it's toolate.jpg
phf: ah, whois says it was updated on the 29th
mp_en_viaje: phf, afaik, there's a grace period, flowing supposably from when it went dark, which i assume is the 27th, be like a week ? giving me about 3-4 days to figure something out here ?
mp_en_viaje: phf, ok, but this is just some random connection with random dns. seems nobody knows the new one ? how do i get it ?
mp_en_viaje: fact, ~even for well written, well designed code~ the promise you won't be stuck reccompiling the whole god damned thing every time you change a line is but a promise.
scriba: Logged on 2019-04-27: [14:04:48] <asciilifeform> you turn on the mains, thing compiles the coupla MB of sores kept in nonvolatile. this -- runs. you go an' change a line, it recompiles that section, at same time as the cache refreshes.
mp_en_viaje: http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/20190427/#77 << there's a lot of hopeful thinking in this "change a line, compile the line, move on". i know you said "section" instead of line, but this is a cop-out : you meant the same as line, but didn't want to string-match the string line, so used a new string to mean, on one hand, every good about line or as close as possible, and on the other hand, no ill about line, whatsoever. this isn't very useful : in point of
mp_en_viaje: check it out, if i wish to read the logs -- which i have to wish, unless i idle 24/7, which i currently don't -- all that's available is [http://log.mkj.lt/trilema/today[Framedragger ;s site].
mp_en_viaje: the old Pantsuit guard's preferred strategy of taxing carbon dioxide output as a means of connecting socialisms across the globe under a singular Pantsuit order. << that's quite the fucking point, stalin's old dream finally came close to realisation, global socialism spearheaded by the only effectual tool it ever found : taxation.
asciilifeform: http://techrights.org/2019/04/21/irc-log-27012019/ << these people even have logtron. ( quick read gives strong flavour of 'catv'... but i did not dig in detail )
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/kcoqj << meanwhile in heathen lulz : public list of (certain species of) wreckers in linux. ( author appears to have irc presence -- possibly can be persuaded to visit ? )
a111: Logged on 2019-04-29 15:47 asciilifeform: indeed box is alive, phf slept through the domain expiry.
PeterL: looks like the log is down?
asciilifeform: indeed box is alive, phf slept through the domain expiry.
asciilifeform: i'ma guess diana_coman is using mircea_popescu's method. canhaz the current ip, diana_coman plox ?
mod6: I'm not able to see btcbase.org/log either, from at least two different locations.
asciilifeform: incidentally, the dnsism -- Updated Date: 2019-04-29T08:52:01Z
lobbesbot: asciilifeform: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: i dun have a platoon of social engineering helpinghands like mircea_popescu's , but the work still gotta be done. so -- erry so often asciilifeform goes, does it, with own hands.
diana_coman: well, profit is just another type of fun, lol.
diana_coman: esp in organised "tours" and the like I think it's absolutely imperative to pose sadistic questions; after all, why else go there otherwise.
asciilifeform: in this case, a local physics lab ( erry year they give tour to gawkers , i enjoy posing sadistic questions to the academicoolies )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: ah this, entirely troo. which is why asciilifeform periodically goes to various meatspace heathen pits.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it seems (perhaps wrongly) to me that the usual default re searching for all sorts is more often than it should the online; this experience (not by itself either) seems to me to drive home again the fact that exhaustive offline searches are more likely to yield the actual interesting stuff than even exhaustive online ones.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: there's a difference between ruled out and default as it were
asciilifeform: hence the need for continuous dig, when not yet found whichever $atlantis.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: so basically the "can't have x" is more indicative of "didn't look for it irl seriously enough"?
feedbot: http://bingology.net/2019/04/27/the-environmental-problem-in-the-new-world-part-one/ << Bingology - BingoBoingo's Blog -- The Environmental Problem In The New World: Part One
asciilifeform: self-service thing, nfi it existed ( quite reminiscent, this, of the old dc search. if you go by what's on www, nuffin fucking exists at all )
asciilifeform: ( wandered in by happenstance, while on other biz. 'wanna turn the knobs? we put housefly as sampler' 'canhaz per hr' d00d digs, disgorges rate )
asciilifeform: in other noose, asciilifeform met with some meatspace folx who rent out time on sem & ion beam station by the hr. 'bout a hundy per hr.
lobbes: I guess I don't see the problem atm with having the two branches, though I welcome being convinced/pointed-to-log-threads (I've been re-reading the threads referenced in spyked's blog, but still have to finish, so possibly not grokking some fundamental bits discussed somewhere)
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 08:39 spyked: as things stand currently, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#selection-311.98-311.247 is true, but logging and responding to commands/voicing aren't ~necessarily~ mutually exclusive
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910057 << while not necessarily mutually exclusive, I understood the two branches as "those who want to import postgres as a dependence (logbot/logbot-command-router) and those who don't (ircbot/trilemabot)".
BingoBoingo: Other than making a loud statement, what likely drove Petrobras this far was derp from PIT-CNT (totally indegenous AFL-CIO like thing) objecting to court and police actions with their cheif derp declaring labor action is above the law in the very traditional Latino sense
BingoBoingo: Local government very surprised. The courts told the derps no, the police chased the derps out (but failed to beat them)...
BingoBoingo: And Petrobras fires back at the natural gas derps and Uruguay by putting all of their gas station chain up for sale, Great Victory for labor... https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/petrobras-puso-a-la-venta-sus-estaciones-de-servicio-en-el-pais-20194262343
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:33 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910006 << there is, for the record, nothing disqualifying or "bad" about 15 year old kernels. for one thing, pretty muich all the cpus that can be used for any serious purpose are that old or older ; for the other thing i actually use kernels that are that old or older.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910082 << with a few enumerable caveats ( rk, coupla other irons ) this is entirely troo
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:23 mp_en_viaje: and to think THIS, specifically THIS promise of the internet, the computer, the future, got implemented for the mass market as apple library and google books and what the fuck not. seriously guyse, point and click interfaces and pageflip animations and "return the virtual book to library" ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910075 << re the lulzy 'return' , oblig vintage asciilifeform lulzpiece
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:18 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910000 << yes, but it's rather likely sane iron will be designed on less sane iron.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910070 << lenin's 'the new shithouse is to be built from the bricks of the old' comes to mind. and yes.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:16 mp_en_viaje: and yes, i fucking do it, on occasion. i even do it on occasion for things i know perfectly well, just because it seems to me some particular form or other is deserving of my labour.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:41 mp_en_viaje: just look at the f11 (ie, full screen) semantics for a pile of lulz. both the os AND the browser interpret it ; and if you;re luck on some laptops the bios too. cuz why the fuck ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910089 << mine's connected to the room lights, lol
asciilifeform: it aint even so hard to implement ~on pc~ -- poor madman terry davis, ~had it~ . ( asciilifeform happens to think that davis read his www, but at this pt only beelzebub knows, whether read or came to the obv notion on own steam.. )
asciilifeform: you turn on the mains, thing compiles the coupla MB of sores kept in nonvolatile. this -- runs. you go an' change a line, it recompiles that section, at same time as the cache refreshes.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 11:50 mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910020 << this was born of distrust ; in fact this "binary handling by operator" is the last bastion keeping computing from devolving into the happy world these idiots inhabit.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910094 << quite the opposite. it's how microshit/crapple world was made possible to begin with -- what with os etc being multi-GB of binariola. whereas suppose 'os' consisted of coupla kb of hand-entered hex bootstrap + whatever-sized bag of source, and kept 'compileade' strictly in cache ram...
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 06:38 spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910038 <-- I suppose that might work. otoh, the only (small) complexity that arises is that, while in the former case the link is clearly the first element (in both order and priority), in the latter case it's the other way around. this means that the announcer needs to make sure that the ~site and ~title don't result in the ~link being cut off (as part of the anchor) and
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910044 << nah, let it be. there's no reason to import dependency on ~display format~. the way phf's logotron displayer displays things is further downstream from the way your feed reader announces feeds.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-27 06:29 spyked: greetings from the Black Sea's western shore, y'arr!
a111: Logged on 2019-04-26 15:38 feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/bitfinex-slammed-in-new-york-for-allegely-using-tether-stablecoin-reserves-as-slush-fund-to-cover-losses/ << Qntra -- Bitfinex Slammed In New York For Allegely Using Tether "Stablecoin" Reserves As Slush Fund To Cover Losses
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-26#1910040 <<< http://trilema.com/2015/so-the-broomstick-fired/ and then of course 2013 and etcetera. USG dept of lawls and lowlz. who knows, one day they'll actually do something such that someone somewhere could take them seriously.
mp_en_viaje: this is how ustardia works, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". best play in socialism is to be poor, stupid, sickly and helpless.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 22:52 asciilifeform: must be well-moneyed chix, if they have personal nurse, eh
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910035 << nah, on the contrary, sounds like ghetto insurance savings.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 22:43 Mocky: no but working on my own team is pretty much a cake walk so I'm branching out to helping other teams and meetngreeting across business units making myself generally well liked and enjoying new friends
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 21:46 asciilifeform: or, take the retardation common to all current pc os -- the explicit juggling of compiled binaries ( really compiled bins ought not to be directly handled by operator, but exist in same sense as disk cache , system as visible to user oughta consist 100% of source, and sectionally rebuilt when changed )
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910020 << this was born of distrust ; in fact this "binary handling by operator" is the last bastion keeping computing from devolving into the happy world these idiots inhabit.
mp_en_viaje: "when a man designs he is holding the water of the world in his closed palms ; should he open his fingers then, he needn't hope to ever encounter sanity again."
mp_en_viaje: so yes, he's right : description of the "what's wrong with it" could go on for a long time ; but the cause is that everything's wrong with it, each juncture, because being wrong on the left and then on the right in quick succession's just a summed up list of being wrong this way and that yet wrong nevertheless.
a111: Logged on 2019-03-09 00:51 hanbot: so there i am merrily entering choices into the kernel config's endless querying on the tail of my cuntoo installation attempt, and i'm noting down all the modules it asks about that don't appear in http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-08#1900940 for posterity, during which i ctrl + c on the wrong of the two keyboards i'm handling while trying to copy a module name and bam, make dies, which means kernel configuring dies, which means bootstrap.sh dies,
mp_en_viaje: "oh mp, i didn't even know it's what f11 is". neither did i. and so you get inane bs like http://btcbase.org/log/2019-03-09#1900991 and all the rest of it, too.
mp_en_viaje: just look at the f11 (ie, full screen) semantics for a pile of lulz. both the os AND the browser interpret it ; and if you;re luck on some laptops the bios too. cuz why the fuck ?
mp_en_viaje: then all the fungus grew to try to somehow shape this miscut rock into usable brick form. so process sorta-owns keyboard but not really except reallier than that but not really except...
mp_en_viaje: tate or even describe the circumstance... so we hold inquest jury.... bla bla bla bla".
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910015 << in the same vein : INSTEAD of having sane propagation back and forth, which in turn would permit you to let THE OS own the input/output devices, and which would FORCE conformity on the part of programs, you end up with the "oh, program once started owns keyboard ... well, sorta.... and also if anythinf happens has to die... and of couse there's nobody there at its grave to save s
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910006 << there is, for the record, nothing disqualifying or "bad" about 15 year old kernels. for one thing, pretty muich all the cpus that can be used for any serious purpose are that old or older ; for the other thing i actually use kernels that are that old or older.
mp_en_viaje: this to not even mention how if one wants to review say the code of "ls", all one gets is somrthing ridiculous like http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/coreutils/ ; there's eminently no http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3156#selection-31.0-157.30
mp_en_viaje: if experience's any guide, 99% of linux userland is not useful for any purpose ; of which remaining 1% 99% has to be rewritten anyway as the extant item is so fucking terribly designed and worse implemented as to cost literally as much as it produces ; of the reminder 1% i can at the present time think of very few examples.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910005 << this is very much a matter of http://trilema.com/2014/ubuntu-is-a-worse-piece-of-shit-than-ms-dos-ever-was/#selection-145.0-145.299 : i'm sure they do, because they're there. the question is not whether the siamese twins are connected, but whether their mother can be fucked into delivering any babies that aren't.
mp_en_viaje: granted, my old style library i grew up with was two to three degrees of magnitude larger than 9mb ; but it sure as fuck took a bunch of people way the fuck more than 15 hours to stitch it all together. and there's 60 seconds in a minute, not 10, and there's 60 minutes in an hour, not ten. and so the fuck on.
mp_en_viaje: there's nothing in nature as fucking dumb as people can get once they start trying to not leave any children behind.
mp_en_viaje: and to think THIS, specifically THIS promise of the internet, the computer, the future, got implemented for the mass market as apple library and google books and what the fuck not. seriously guyse, point and click interfaces and pageflip animations and "return the virtual book to library" ?
mp_en_viaje: takes 13 seconds and a working box to acquire a library these days ; whole thing can be done while coffee brews.
mp_en_viaje: in other joys : wget -i caragiale.txt > FINISHED --2019-04-27 13:04:23-- Downloaded: 287 files, 9.0M in 13s (720 KB/s)
mp_en_viaje: but i can readily see what was confusing : sometimes the leaps get to be too great to follow. this future where c/c++/c#/javascript/whatever such are relegated to their rightful place is so fucking distant, even merely talking of it likely smacks of lunacy to most anyone.
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910000 << yes, but it's rather likely sane iron will be designed on less sane iron.
mp_en_viaje: and yes, i fucking do it, on occasion. i even do it on occasion for things i know perfectly well, just because it seems to me some particular form or other is deserving of my labour.
mp_en_viaje: copy them, by hand.
mp_en_viaje: incidentally, this is both the traditional as well as a quite effectual way of learning things.
a111: Logged on 2019-04-25 19:33 PeterL: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-23#1909564 << speaking of meat-driven OCR, I de-pdf-ed the miller-rabin paper: http://peterl.xyz/2019/04/probabilistic-algorithm-for-testing-primality/
mp_en_viaje: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1909985 << quite very much so ; and it is i hope a shared goal to bring this item to the state of ye olde eulora client, where it jus tsplendidly worked, like apple shit always claimed to.
spyked: anyway, I'd only ask phf to replace http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=bot with the keccak patches after figuring out what makes more sense.
spyked: as things stand currently, http://thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html#selection-311.98-311.247 is true, but logging and responding to commands/voicing aren't ~necessarily~ mutually exclusive
spyked: diana_coman, tbh I'm not sure, so I'm posing it as a question. there's also prolly some merit to the idea of each bot having, optionally, a logotron attached to it (since it's already listening...)
spyked: this would require another regrind, but I'm supposing the time will come when someone will need both trilemabot and logbot in the same place. I can take it upon myself to do this if there's no objections
spyked: re http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-27#1910042 <-- /me thinks the logbot and trilemabot sides of the tree should be merged?
a111: Logged on 2016-11-05 03:48 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/the-jurors-for-the-said-commonwealth-on-their-oath-present-that-lizzie-andrew-borden-of-fall-river-in-the-county-of-bristol-at-fall-river-in-the-county-of-bristol-on-the-fourth-day-of-august-in-the/ << Trilema - The Jurors for the said Commonwealth, on their oath present that Lizzie Andrew Borden of Fall River in the County of Bristol, at Fall River in the County of Bristol, on the fourth day of August in the year eigtheen hundred
a111: Logged on 2016-10-01 18:43 deedbot: http://trilema.com/2016/observations-on-certain-documents-contained-in-the-history-of-the-united-states-for-the-year-1796-in-which-the-charge-of-speculation-against-alexander-hamilton-late-secretary-of-the-treasury-is-fully/ << Trilema - Observations on certain documents contained in the history of the United States for the year 1796 in which the charge of speculation against Alexander Hamilton, late secretary of the treasury is fully refuted. Written by
spyked: granted, it rarely happens for the title to be snipped, e.g. last time was http://btcbase.org/log/2016-10-01#1551126 , http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-05#1563103 ?
spyked: snip the title if needed
spyked: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-04-25#1910038 <-- I suppose that might work. otoh, the only (small) complexity that arises is that, while in the former case the link is clearly the first element (in both order and priority), in the latter case it's the other way around. this means that the announcer needs to make sure that the ~site and ~title don't result in the ~link being cut off (as part of the anchor) and
spyked: greetings from the Black Sea's western shore, y'arr!
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/04/bitfinex-slammed-in-new-york-for-allegely-using-tether-stablecoin-reserves-as-slush-fund-to-cover-losses/ << Qntra -- Bitfinex Slammed In New York For Allegely Using Tether "Stablecoin" Reserves As Slush Fund To Cover Losses
BingoBoingo: The latest development on the Natural Gas plant is... The derps left after the Police showed up.
Mocky: nope, poor chix who have trouble getting into the dr regularly. Its cheaper for insurance company to run this in-home program than to pay for the complications that would otherwise occur
asciilifeform: must be well-moneyed chix, if they have personal nurse, eh
Mocky: my team is writing an application for nurses who are giving care to pregnant chix in their homes, so they can access the functionality of their online medical system, while offline
asciilifeform: if it aint a seekrit, what do they make there ? accounting soft for ancient ibm iron ?
Mocky: no but working on my own team is pretty much a cake walk so I'm branching out to helping other teams and meetngreeting across business units making myself generally well liked and enjoying new friends
Mocky: and the interacting with more people more often
asciilifeform: or, take the retardation common to all current pc os -- the explicit juggling of compiled binaries ( really compiled bins ought not to be directly handled by operator, but exist in same sense as disk cache , system as visible to user oughta consist 100% of source, and sectionally rebuilt when changed )
asciilifeform: i could go on for literally a week and not even scratch the surface of this house of horrors.