mp_en_viaje: but schiff dun know about that, because i guess scott locklin mental issues.
mp_en_viaje: he only entity that can afford the fiats crashing against its currency, and lo that it has.
mp_en_viaje: the same sort of naivity permeates throughout, "oh, the dollar will crash". doesn't enter his mind to wonder "against what". it's been sorta-kinda crashing against the euro, i guess, but i mean look at the fucking euro. the whole fucking concept of the dubaloo is that "it hasn't what to crash against" ; and everyone's complicit -- the chinese sure as fuck don't want it crashing against themselves, for instance. the republic's pretty much t
ossabot: Logged on 2017-08-16 15:28:19 mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect the gold people are very subjectively hurt by bitcoin doing what gold "Was supposed to do" and haet.
mp_en_viaje: otherwise, items like eg http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2017-08-16#1699371 very much speak to him. dude had the general idea, but then it turned out it wasn't gold, it was something entirely else. was he "right" ? or was he "wrong" ?
mp_en_viaje: the principal problem with the approach is that the guy is a radio personality, his statements are never that i've seen structured enough to constitute meaningful prediction. they're closer to statements of sentiment, and the value of sentiments depends chiefly on what your sentiments for the sentiment-er are. if it turned out nancy pelosi loved you deeply what'd it pay ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 15:05:33 trinque: schiff's an interesting guy, has some of the right ideas, but it almost seems an accident from the outside.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955411 << there's been some casual effort put into quantifying that accident question.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 15:01:02 trinque: most of these failures in my own life amounted to mp_en_viaje's "toward purpose", i.e. they were narcissists reaching for objects conjured in their own imaginations, primarily to create the feedback necessary to sustain said narcissism.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955407 << this is actually a pretty accomplished description of the problem.
mp_en_viaje: also, you're probably stuck dropping nginx altogether
mp_en_viaje: i expect there's shit that still requires the same re-read and re-write it did back before the berlin wall.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, truth be told there's this immense, but i do mean IMMENSE pile of accumulated tech debt via "i'll do it tomorrow" device
mp_en_viaje: there's some slow migration from 2 to 1, like eg dns. but by and large...
mp_en_viaje: basically software that's not outright banned falls either in the gpg category, like bison etc above, "barely working, extremely bloated, would greatly benefit from rewrite" ; or else in utf category, "massively fucking stupid implementation, would love nothing more than the right surgical silk to suture the wound with correctly".
mp_en_viaje: nfi why they're even separate.
diana_coman: ahahaha; that reminds me of the "compilers" course at uni where ...
mp_en_viaje: in the same vein i suspect bison is massively suboptimal wrt algorithms chosen, elegance of implementation, length, pretty much everything. would prolly greatly beenfit from a rewrite.
diana_coman: the usual "we're innovating aka corrupting because reasons", as far as I see it, yes.
mp_en_viaje: i get it, thing comes with supposed full sources that supposedly build ; i don't know that anyone worth any confidence even tried to in the past however many years. it's still building the wrong way, what the fuck os-awareness of power button. whole fucking point of even having a power butto nin the first place is to have an ALTERNATIVE control mechanism to the operating system.
mp_en_viaje: nothing to do with him at all, this is re the gales prereq pile
diana_coman: well yes; and there are also C-specific annoyances but I don't think *those* are his fault now either.
mp_en_viaje is annoyed by reference @acpica intelshit, but there's ~nothing he can do about it atm
ossabot: (ossasepia) 2019-12-14 diana_coman: jfw: I went through your keksum proggy and it's been quite a pleasure really; a few nitpicks on top of those: 1. why default/fallthrough on "bad option" instead of the more useful help option? 2. you have nicely \t everywhere except in usage_err in main.c where it's \s 3. just out of curiosity re
mp_en_viaje: ey work towards properly genesis-ing the thing, whichever points of resistence they end up encountering are bound to be quite informative.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955358 << i don't think they've been thinking about it before in these terms ; but yes solvable. what's more : not only solvable, but beneficially solvable. it's one thing when cleaning up the place is approachable ; it's another thing when cleaning up the place not only is approachable, but actually approaching it necessarily provides an answer to why your scissors kept disappearing. as th
trinque: i.e. "if we just let markets work" etc., the libertarian thing where the forces that aggregate into govt "just" wise up.
trinque: schiff's an interesting guy, has some of the right ideas, but it almost seems an accident from the outside.
trinque: back to the subj, what does a europac bank need, in your experience?
trinque: most of these failures in my own life amounted to mp_en_viaje's "toward purpose", i.e. they were narcissists reaching for objects conjured in their own imaginations, primarily to create the feedback necessary to sustain said narcissism.
dorion_road: trinque they got lost on engineering loops and yeah, ran out of steam.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:42 mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly benefits you for us to know how you're fucked in the head. like the doctor gotta know if you've been fucking any skinny girls in behind-the-bar alleys.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955317 << I've certainly found that to be the case in opening up and asking diana_coman help me kill my stupidity.
trinque: why didn't they finish? ran out of steam?
dorion_road: the ceo and cto of coinapult spun off a development company and I did some consulting with them, but they didn't finish the software they started and I transitioned to work with jfw.
dorion_road: in 2013 I met evoorhees in Panama, and took a job with Coinapult in 2014 to run customer service. I did some business development and got exposure to qa for the ~year that lasted.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:25:10 mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955315 << I shared a bit in #o a couple months back, and have some overdue articles to publish detailing, but the short is I worked 2 years for euro pacific bank, a start up at the time.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955313 << yeah, a while back and it made its impact on me. probably due for a re-read here sooner rather than later though.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:23:32 mp_en_viaje: but even leaving aside how a good wot means more access to capital than any fiat bank arrangements can provide -- the ideological structure well protects him from 1 and much helps hiom with 2, by supporting strong partnerships.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:20:10 mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in the relevant aspects, which is why i said well targetted. that's the key to success, always find a group of such idiots that, ideally, don't even realise it.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:19:07 trinque: if you're taking clients with very different problems all the time, that'd result in an incoherent accumulation of disjunct items.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:17:31 trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955056 << it's hard because the flow of money through your business determines the shape of your product, which is to double down on what I said above. skillfully done, you accumulate a generally useful set of tools and the job gets easier, til eventually it's more of a product play than consulting
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955296 << that makes a lot of sense. processes and tools are being built in this first stage. for exmple, we have exercises/problem sets after working with these first clients. that's a product we can tweak/adjust/refine moving forward, but a lot of the work is done.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:05:33 trinque: I am particularly aggressive to this, it being isomorphic to the church environment in which I was raised.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:04:53 trinque: narrowly, in its time, of microsoft. "whatever, literally anything is better than microshit" and now, of themselves, living in their own shit.
dorion_road: ah, right. that's a big shortcoming of Gales, didn't use V from the start.
trinque: dorion_road: it's more a comment that "why isn't your patch a vpatch atop the gales genesis"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:00:11 trinque: nah, I'm going to do my best to uncoil the spring.
dorion_road: trinque those are the packages in gports. some have patches by jfw. a task for tmsr.os is to list all the dependencies for the implicit clients. so many of those in that Gales gports list may not make it in tmsr.os.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-14 14:00:22 trinque: dorion_road: btw, your gales has the same problem mp_en_viaje pointed out about my cuntoo. it doesn't actually have the sources of the dependencies. one provides those as tarballs.
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-14#1955357 << I think the source tarballs are available on the mirror. A problem with not publishing has been this source distribution is only being worked through now. I'll let jfw comment further.
trinque: suppose someone's going to kill you for losing their 1000btc with this thing. What then about "not keeping up with the rat race"?
trinque: "While I have striven to make prudent and security-conscious choices, I am not attempting to keep up with the "penetrate and patch" rat-race in its many third-party components." << This is somewhat concerning, in that you say "eh" about the "many third-party components". I'd instead try for the minimal possible bootable src surface area.
trinque: dorion_road: btw, your gales has the same problem mp_en_viaje pointed out about my cuntoo. it doesn't actually have the sources of the dependencies. one provides those as tarballs.
trinque: at any rate, I consider myself heard on the hubris cycle, and I've already committed to a few bile-soaked pieces on linux and other things.
trinque: apparently this depends on the counterparty.
trinque: one yells at his friends for going off the same cliff over and over again.
trinque: you realize where I live the aggression threshold for "unpleasant company" is set way higher, or no?
diana_coman: and just to be on the clear side: it's not against "loudly saying X is foolhardy", not at all; if it's not clear though, I'll give it a rest.
diana_coman: trinque: the comparison OS/protestantism made sense; I get the allergy to hubris cycle too, now that you say it explicitly; my point above was though precisely re loud-before-crashed esp given the long silence -punctured at times briefly, sure- before that; ie the outbursts themselves I get but I don't see to be very useful really.
trinque: diana_coman: did the point of comparing open source to protestantism not make sense, or what
diana_coman: trinque: it has/had nothing to do with that either; but sure.
trinque: diana_coman: I'm not going to do the "hurr, be a man and toil in this mountain of boy's cumsocks" thread again.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:11:41 mp_en_viaje: i dont know, man. from where i'm sitting, and i'll readily admit i'm not some sort of linux scholar over here, it seems to me torvalds came in two decades ago on a sorta-kinda wishy-washy platform, and a bunch of perfectly respectable men went with him because well, sorta-kinda wishy-washy is better than nothing, and because being an engineers they didn't know better. they were, so to speak, pre-headfucked by pant
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955290 - this sounds right to me although I rather hesitate on the "perfectly respectable" - I mean, precisely not so perfectly given the "pre-headfucked" as you put it (and I'm not sure it's that at all ie some external rather than internal lack).
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 22:05:33 trinque: I am particularly aggressive to this, it being isomorphic to the church environment in which I was raised.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-13 21:58:40 mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it can't be the size, i tested this
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-13#1955265 - maybe it's something specific to the 3d block there that messes it up though it's not all that likely (if for no other reason than the basic 1. at first it worked 2. it still works as a separate footnote); anyways, I don't think it's worth the time right now to chase it fully.
mp_en_viaje: if the whole of argentina spent 5mn last year its a wonder
BingoBoingo: In blood, stones, and squeezing Argentina's new-old government is... inventing new official outgoing exchange rate to shave capital flight, if there was any left to go flying http://archive.is/xmsuL
trinque: and I'm certain his tech for keeping track of which wire's going to whom, who's getting their dubaloos put in what paper, is primitive.
trinque: same with your panamanian guy. he doesn't have the assets in his desk drawer.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:37:25 trinque: so dorion_road, is the idea that there's a tmsr stack upon which what, systems are built for these folks holding piles of database money?
mp_en_viaje: be very explicit because it greatly benefits you for us to know how you're fucked in the head. like the doctor gotta know if you've been fucking any skinny girls in behind-the-bar alleys.
mp_en_viaje: actually, i don't recall you ever saying, either of you ever been involved with start-ups in any capacity ?
mp_en_viaje: yup, there's an entire body length of lacerations and bleeding sites he dun have to deal with here. which is what they call an edge in business.
mp_en_viaje: he can get away with overheads incomprehensible for any other start-up
mp_en_viaje: but even leaving aside how a good wot means more access to capital than any fiat bank arrangements can provide -- the ideological structure well protects him from 1 and much helps hiom with 2, by supporting strong partnerships.
mp_en_viaje: and a distant 2, the cost of payroll.
trinque: heh, speaking of the pantsuit labeling everything its opposite, obviously the dorks with laptops are the most capital intensive businesses!
mp_en_viaje: the two major money leaks in traditional start-ups are by very far 1 the pretense pump, wherein tiny new cos end up paying frisco rents because "iotherwise how to atteact employees"
mp_en_viaje: his other advantage is that he needs less money than absolutely anybody.
mp_en_viaje: but oherwise, yes that's the bane of technical consulting.
mp_en_viaje: his saving grace is that his clients are in fact very similar idiots in the relevant aspects, which is why i said well targetted. that's the key to success, always find a group of such idiots that, ideally, don't even realise it.
trinque: if you're taking clients with very different problems all the time, that'd result in an incoherent accumulation of disjunct items.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:14:42 trinque: I've been in that business. It's hard, wish them well.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 17:08:41 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954854 << if you're up for it, I'd also like to read about your experience there.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955056 << it's hard because the flow of money through your business determines the shape of your product, which is to double down on what I said above. skillfully done, you accumulate a generally useful set of tools and the job gets easier, til eventually it's more of a product play than consulting
mp_en_viaje: the switch part was i suppose self-obvious to anyone but me.
mp_en_viaje: and then of course he turned around and took them right "home", like all of these asshats do, "mencius modlbug" was the same thing, Framedragger 's stupid whore same thing, etcetera etcetera.
mp_en_viaje: aised children are pre-molested even before anyone bothers fucking them, they're groomed to respond "well" to moelestation.
mp_en_viaje: i dont know, man. from where i'm sitting, and i'll readily admit i'm not some sort of linux scholar over here, it seems to me torvalds came in two decades ago on a sorta-kinda wishy-washy platform, and a bunch of perfectly respectable men went with him because well, sorta-kinda wishy-washy is better than nothing, and because being an engineers they didn't know better. they were, so to speak, pre-headfucked by pantsuit agitprop, like cult-r
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-10 18:39:12 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:13:36 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-10#1954813 << they're doing a consulting gig, it's somewhat detailed on his blog, he even has a business plan / some description of actual sales activity in there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 17:06:06 dorion_road: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954851 << trinque, the business plan for my venture with jfw.
trinque: I am particularly aggressive to this, it being isomorphic to the church environment in which I was raised.
trinque: narrowly, in its time, of microsoft. "whatever, literally anything is better than microshit" and now, of themselves, living in their own shit.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955047 << the politics of the "men" who made linux (not the kernel, but the whole turd) are contempt.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:27:34 trinque: I'm going to write something on why eating a product of socialists is stupid, and if we must eat shit, eating the least shit is the move.
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-10 22:34:51 trinque: dorion_road: ftr I have no problem with trying out your thing and offering critique either. I do have a problem with armies that don't eat, so I'd love to hear how you plan to sustain the effort necessary to maintain an OS.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 16:59:12 dorion_road: trinque mind clarifying which you mean though ? the article about trying out Gales and offering critque or on why eating a product of socialists is stupid ?
trinque: nah, I'm going to do my best to uncoil the spring.
mp_en_viaje: eminently not the sort of thing one has to do over xmas.
trinque: entirely feasible, will respond to the article tomorrow after more thought, and some rest.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, it can't be the size, i tested this
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 04:45:58 mp_en_viaje: so specifically trinque is this feasible iyo ? and everyone else also, is an hour too short a time ? other comments ?
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1954934 << I've meanwhile reviewed the article http://trilema.com/2019/the-contemplated-update-to-the-trilema-voice-model/
diana_coman: I fixed the issue though it's rather weird: for one thing I distinctly rememvber it was *fine* ie all of it in a footnote so not sure what/when broke, ugh; for the other, I had to split it into 2 footnotes - it was *fine* to take 2 <blockquote> spans but not the 3rd? wtf is this.
mp_en_viaje: diana_coman, http://ossasepia.com/2019/10/31/working-with-ideals-and-perfections/?b=the%20history&e=whole#select << isn't that part weird ?
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
feedbot: http://ossasepia.com/2019/12/13/a-walk-among-the-trees-of-v/ << Ossa Sepia -- A Walk among the Trees of V
mp_en_viaje: basically "we're imploding, the dnc is never getting another seat in the house, let's go out with a bang" kinda backfired as an exit strategy.
mp_en_viaje: dnc tryina make it open vote, because they understadn they'll lose, but at least they want some drama out of it
mp_en_viaje: aahahahaha, check it out, half the republicans in the house are openly going to vote agqainst.
BingoBoingo: But I suppose this is how the USG press agents keep up with the times. They scroll back the logs 5 years and pretend the conversation was their own.
mp_en_viaje: Look, people dont give us enough credit for the gray matter between our ears, and there are some very smart people we have thinking about how we fight better. " and assorted great keks.
mp_en_viaje: WASHINGTON Just because China might be able to hit U.S. Navy aircraft carriers with long-range anti-ship missiles doesnt mean carriers are worthless, the services top officer said Thursday."
mp_en_viaje: To keep carriers relevant, the U.S. Navy must change how it fights, the new top officer says. (MC1 Toni Burton/U.S. Navy)
mp_en_viaje: oh, and in ongoing lulz : https://www.navytimes.com/naval/2019/12/06/with-china-gunning-for-aircraft-carriers-the-us-navy-says-it-must-change-the-way-it-fights/ "
BingoBoingo: Well, they do like shiny
mp_en_viaje: oh, and they're also buying 1bn worth of canadian gold mining interests.
BingoBoingo: Well the chinese seem to be improving the message targeting. To Uruguay "Why deal with the US who exactly competes with your exports when we have so much synergy... Baja la costa de vida"
mp_en_viaje: transparently a "russkis couldn't protect you ; we will" demonstration, made all the more evident by the eurohag stance on it (ignore, rather than whine. whenever daddy's present the "liberated" cunts magically forget all the bullshit they have at the ready in all other circumstances)
BingoBoingo: And generally reduce the US role as the place things go first before hitting the rest of the Americas.
BingoBoingo: At the same time China's floating a free-ish trade agreement with Uruguay's next government, yet to be published. I suspect the aim is among other things... to cut out the Miami based re-shippers.
BingoBoingo: God bless china buying all the New World food stuffs. I suspect Buenos Aires is prepping to do another run of export controls on beef now that their production's sorta recovered a decade later.
mp_en_viaje: from "sex & the city" to "an apple a day's a dream faraway" in pretty much one short generation, huh. what wonders socialism hath wrought!
mp_en_viaje: famine-level poverty's in any case the best known solvent for girly pretense.
mp_en_viaje: nothing quite like sleeping nineteen to the room for solving nineteen year old's "social anxiety" / awkwardness.
mp_en_viaje: let 'em see how well "believe women" works on the mud floors, work out their "animal rights" aggenda on the goat that ate their last remainign crotchrag and so on.
mp_en_viaje: in fact, probably the best thing one could do would be to take all the teenaged precious cuntlets from yurp and send them to niger & friends ; take the african girls in lieu.
mp_en_viaje: honestly i see no further point to europe. other than the high rents, the whiteboys north of the mediterranean are just as african as the black boys south.
BingoBoingo: Still, his sons probably had "Don't let dark africa discover boats can reach Europe" drilled into their heads since infancy
BingoBoingo: Fortaleza de Cerro in the background
mp_en_viaje: but, yeah, the "great victories" in afghanistan, iraq etc have resulted in what looks like a whole-north-africa caliphate in the making.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, isil is evidently moving to a nuke. taking sahel uranium mines since summer ; the iranians are quite unhappy with the subsidy level so it looks like this is their "we'll do it without doing it" approach, transfer tech to isil.
BingoBoingo: For the ones under 18, INAU, the infants and adolescents agency literally assignes court ordered old scolds to the kids
BingoBoingo: The ones that DID get caught. House arrest and not very much of it.
mp_en_viaje: or carefully preserving their very valuable contents. you know, for later.
BingoBoingo: But yes, kids got scared. Didn't even seem to show up last week. They could be quietly wrecking shit somewhere else, or not obsessing over Saturday night-Sunday morning
mp_en_viaje is watching some game of handball on tv in the background. "who's that one ?" "the blondy with the ponytail ?" "no, the other one" *tap* *tap* *tap* "1.69" "motherfucker".
mp_en_viaje: principally because the transmission'll prolly break.
mp_en_viaje: or break a nail or something. there's so much more futuro awaiting, it;d be a pity if any of them missed any of it.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: That little helicopter on tilt and the one tank was enough to calm the kids down.
mp_en_viaje: hows uy revolution these days ? died down like any football match ?
BingoBoingo: That they do.
mp_en_viaje: i mean, the orcs visibly still imagine some kind of similar miami, across various orclands. but this is very flimsy existence indeed.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Well doesn't exists past 90s because they let the hippies shave and pretend submit in the 80's
mp_en_viaje: seems about as fake as "industry" or "economy", a putative imagined item, i'm supposed to believe "everything's online" just like i'm supposed to believe 0-value items are "an industry"
mp_en_viaje: except for the part where it's unclear such a thing as society exists, past 90s.
BingoBoingo: Kinda how in every period record outside of their own reality distortion bubble, hippies were exactly materialistic theiving pichis
mp_en_viaje: as this things ever work, not only completely failed to engage anything, but also became the proverbial broken arm to be fucked in the ass with.
mp_en_viaje: v for vendetta (the original, 0-circulation pulp) was actually a by-product of radical labour core attempting ideological supremacy.
mp_en_viaje: they have some history as a lolcow really.
mp_en_viaje recalls their triumphalist idiocy during thatcher election...
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: They don't. Labour forgets that they are the local "Regime change in Iraq" party which was a great way to fuck themselves into nothing as a "left" pantsuit party.
mp_en_viaje: "does the labour party even have a right to exit ?!" no, it very well fucking doesn't.
mp_en_viaje: man, watching uk labour, literally the oldest anglophone pantsuit bastion, go the way of the dnc...
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-12 07:55:31 mp_en_viaje: use it like it's the enemy, if you will, because it is ; this doesn't reduce to "don't use it".
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: It seems the Tories have enough of a fracture within their ranks that there's a Torry for most every Labor voter to prefer.
BingoBoingo: It was hard for me to think much about the time this one took. Was too busy reminding myself Parkinsons is a resting tremor as the dude used a straight razor and comb instead of scissors.
mp_en_viaje: in other news, how the fuck uk laboratory party can still lose seats ? the "conservative" / lulzparty got like 70% of the seats and it's still gonna pick up 50 ?
mp_en_viaje: so go to one of those nails-and-hair spa things, get mutliple rabbits in the same half hour
diana_coman: I tend to stress them out by taking a book with me, but I still resent-the-fucking-time-it-takes.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: Not a single action on his part suggested anything informed by theory. Strict application of method as informed by practice.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-01-28 00:58:37 mircea_popescu: meanwhile in other chicks can code moments, "I earned my degree and license in cosmetology and had a horrible career as a hair dresser that I ended in 2015 due to social anxiety. I still love hair theory, and I even really enjoy working on people with whom I share a close relationship, but now I'm in pursuit of a new path."
diana_coman: but did he know hair theory ?
mp_en_viaje: no, they were quashed by the crown for being tards. the problem is that was 1200, by 1400 they re-appeared, called "protestants" this time, and they weren't quashed that time.
BingoBoingo: And the haircut was the same ~10 bucks as always. I suspect the problem is... the Cathars were purged by the Church for Church reasons when they should have been squashed by the crown for being tards.
BingoBoingo: Holy shit my standard expections of the Uruguayos up to today grossly underestimated the fall from what was.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: Just got back from getting my hair cut by the fossil who owns the joint. Probably my best haircut ever. Intense experience as the fellow with a resting parkisons tremor made copious use of the straight razor.
mp_en_viaje: the socialism pipedream gotta be confronted at some point.
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo, imho, the old guys getting a steak and their kids and grandkids getting thrown out into the street is minimal justice in south america. in fact, i'd much prefer they were handled by albigensian crusade 2, kicked ~out of town~ not merely in the street ; and literally nude.
mp_en_viaje: how they're gonna pay for it is anyone's guess ; though maybe i get there in time. IF THE LOGS ARENT TOO THICK!!!
mp_en_viaje: aand in other participatory democracy news, i just spent an hour or so in the jacuzzi / saunas etcetera. upon leaving, i confiscated the girls' bathing suits
BingoBoingo: What dreams do the 75+ set have that a loan enables rather than destroys? Probably a couple extra kilos of Asado de tira before they pass and the bank takes the house out from under the kids and grandkids who've not lived anywhere else.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: The saddest part is that "un Prestamo de tus sueños" is exactly what they are marketing it as.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 12:33:53 BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In the very lulzy leaving a mess on the way out files: The "Banco Republica" has lines around their main branch composed of local old retired and pensioned derps applying for "un Prestamo de tus sueños"
diana_coman: dorion_road: you switched from guidelines/expectations to qualifications and best practices and they are not the same thing.
mp_en_viaje: call it "how to contribute effectually, the guide" or something, "qualification"'s not the word there.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 09:36:53 dorion_road: linking in extensive examples of established republican practices ; point out how there is no central code repository and version control system or even website, etc.
dorion_road: BingoBoingo, thanks, perhaps qualification isn't the best word. I did include "best practices" in there and meant qualification in the necessary precondition sense ; had in mind the mpex listing process.
BingoBoingo: mp_en_viaje: In the very lulzy leaving a mess on the way out files: The "Banco Republica" has lines around their main branch composed of local old retired and pensioned derps applying for "un Prestamo de tus sueños"
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 09:36:02 dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955110 << I'm thinking to keep it simple along the lines of : 1) register a key, 2) install a V, 3) maintain a blog where you : a) maintain a code shelf , b) publlish your work plans , c) publish articles for context on your vpatches, 4) maintain an irc connection to converse with people (point out '6 months' reading the log is recommended for
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955124 << You can probably call that "requirements" or "how to contribute" but the label "qualifications" seems like a poor match for describing those active processes.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 04:02:12 mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, in other lulz, if 1) trump gets impeached and then 2) trump gets elected does he then 3) get to run again, because impeached term dun count ? :D
BingoBoingo: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955099 << Well the 22nd amendment to the Consitution does give a 10 year total limit to presidenting, but... Insane common law jurisdiction where everything is made up as they go while further burdened by the weight of all English history to boot. Not out of the realm of possibility impeachment could be taken as nullifying his first term.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:49:54 mp_en_viaje: contrariwise, items 2 and 3 on that same list are quite needed ; 2 needn't be even usable as such, its importance is in getting that tree going, even if not one line of a genesis survives it in the final press nevertheless the tree wouldn't have existed without ; 3 is definitely the sort of key element we've been sorely neglecting to date.
dorion_road: mp_en_viaje thanks for the don't get in people way likbez.
dorion_road: linking in extensive examples of established republican practices ; point out how there is no central code repository and version control system or even website, etc.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-12 05:20:58 mp_en_viaje: it stops being cute when you start driving yourself nuts with it. how in god's own reddish hells are you supposed to say, aforehand, what the qualifications for contributing are ? in the next two days, you're gonna produce that ? how ?
dorion_road: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-12#1955110 << I'm thinking to keep it simple along the lines of : 1) register a key, 2) install a V, 3) maintain a blog where you : a) maintain a code shelf , b) publlish your work plans , c) publish articles for context on your vpatches, 4) maintain an irc connection to converse with people (point out '6 months' reading the log is recommended for
mp_en_viaje: now go forth an' stop burying the ledes, ye hear.
mp_en_viaje: contrariwise, items 2 and 3 on that same list are quite needed ; 2 needn't be even usable as such, its importance is in getting that tree going, even if not one line of a genesis survives it in the final press nevertheless the tree wouldn't have existed without ; 3 is definitely the sort of key element we've been sorely neglecting to date.
mp_en_viaje: so, good news, you don't have to answer whether aliens may join or not, forget about it.
mp_en_viaje: various things are relegated to a large warehouse of "nfi, we'll figure it out later" because they appear unmistakably humongous, and we're not so well satisfied they actually have to be done. so they wait -- this is what time does, if nothing else : it'll always resolve the "did it have to be done ?" quandary.
mp_en_viaje: there's some humongo tasks around here because nobody gives so much of a shit how big it is, if it has to be done. but IF. if. if it HAS TO BE done, then yes. not otherwise, the converse doesn't work, just because something's a humongous pile of comparable humongocity doesn't make it a republican task -- the criteria's the has to be done.
mp_en_viaje: the first imperative of management is "don't get in people's way". like the doctor's "firstly, don't harm", exactly. fail everything else but hold that up, you'll be a fine manager ; fuck that up nothing else you do can bring you above water.
mp_en_viaje: nobody even fucking knows how an os is made in the first place for the simple self-obvious reason nobody fucking made one yet. it's not farming. it's not anything like farming. i don't even know what the fuck it's like, maybe we live to figure it out, but so far we just have some good classes of what it can't be like is all.
mp_en_viaje: maybe the dude asks you a question. then you answer it. that's what you do. you don't go chasing about the street with pre-answers to questions nobody's asked yet ; if the guy asks whether he's qualified he probably isn't, which is not the end of the world, you're not qualified either. what the fuck qualification exam did i pass, per accidens & pro tempore's not a collegiate degree. this isn't homogenochina we're trying to reproduce here,
mp_en_viaje: do you tell him to get a job ? do less drugs ? find some real shoes ? sure, why not. does that amount to "oh and also you're not qualified to help" ? why the fuck should you care enough to get yourself in people's way ? let them be, it's their life. he'll write it or not, defend it or not, it'll get accepted or not, used or not, which part of this is your problem ?
mp_en_viaje: if a beach bum walks into an internet cafe in indochina, ramen bowl in one hand and a found copy of eat, pray, love in the other, makes himself a key on keybase and offers to write a better garbage collector for you, you... what do you do ?
mp_en_viaje: if, and look what a large if that is, you ever find yourself in the situation where there's two entities trying to solve the same problem and you absolutely must pick one, then you pick one. THEN. not fucking now, so far you're stuck with a trillion cubic miles of sky and like half a delta wing, they won't even ~meet~ unless you specifically direct them at each other.
mp_en_viaje: does being an alien disqualify one from contributing ? "but mp, what are the odds an alien shows up" dude, how the fuck do i know ? how the fuck do you know ? why take the wrong sort of position on uncappable outcome ? are we protecting something here ? what is it ?
mp_en_viaje: it stops being cute when you start driving yourself nuts with it. how in god's own reddish hells are you supposed to say, aforehand, what the qualifications for contributing are ? in the next two days, you're gonna produce that ? how ?
mp_en_viaje: but it's massively overwhelming, you don't know what the fuck it even is or is supposed to be in plenty of angles ; so you yelp an' try to find some footing, and some purchase. which is cute.
mp_en_viaje: apparently it's "your dedication's endearing" day in the republic. anyways, my man mode d : i get it, you're a serious and dedicated fellow, and you mean to do right by this sudden and immense pile fallen one day upon your head. good!
mp_en_viaje: e what to link here ; if only I were to somehow know months ago when I decided not to that months later in a discussion of women I'd have liked to have the reference. Yet I couldn't have known such a thing. Neither can you. Ever. And so instead of spending those twenty mintues there I spent five writing this note and fifteen fishing through the internets trying to identify which fucking bad film it was in the first place."
mp_en_viaje: "I never bothered to review Love Liza because it's a shitty movie ; nevertheless shitty as it was it'd have provided an anchor for today's reference. The reason I write down this note is precisely to underscore as thickly as humanly possible this most important point : that you are in no position to judge what's not worth doing. Because the future is uncertain. It would have been worth doing, all 20 minutes it'd have taken me, so as to hav
mp_en_viaje: BingoBoingo_, in other lulz, if 1) trump gets impeached and then 2) trump gets elected does he then 3) get to run again, because impeached term dun count ? :D
mp_en_viaje: in general though, that's the overarching point, gotta separate usage and confidence as a required ingredient of maturation.
mp_en_viaje: this is the whole substance of that whole "old age and treachery" thing : that idealism (or platonism, or spherical chickenism, or w/e you call it) dun work irl. even if it appears to work in the mind.
mp_en_viaje: use it like it's the enemy, if you will, because it is ; this doesn't reduce to "don't use it".
mp_en_viaje: so how about instead of trying to shoehorn sql into supporting your idealism, you just "<a href=http://trilema.com/2016/poor-women/>bang python like a cheap whore</a>. use it, but ~don't expect~ it knows what to do with ifs ; give it tasks, but short and narrow, measurable and ~do not confide in it~. let it write against apache, not import its flask, let her do the dishes not invite her mother over to stay.
mp_en_viaje: this ~purely imaginary~ purity is the very problem ; maintaining it while ditching python's specifically keeping the devil while burning the totem. ~the very expectation~ that the world works a certain way, "cleanly" in this manner, the hallucination that it's always okay to find fleas in cottage cheese and knots in the reeds is why all this is problematic to begin with.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 13:08:26 mp_en_viaje: i dunno i support any particular action on the foregoing basis. but i also ain't gonna pass it in silence no mo.
ossabot: Logged on 2019-12-11 23:24:41 lobbes: In other plans, I'm aiming to take a more treacherous approach to coding the auto-bidding for auctionbot. I figure I can handle the majority sans-python, and instead simply leverage the postgres db it sits on (i.e. listen for insert into bid table, execute some postgres functions, spit results into outbox table, done). I'll mak
mp_en_viaje: this is a naive point of view, of the same nature as "all politicians are dubious so i don't vote" or "i've yet to meet a pure hearted maiden thus i have no truck with girls".
mp_en_viaje: i understand the ambiguity's innerving, and i understand the nude dedication behind "well, if it's bad, don't use it then".
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955087 << let me be clear here : your dedication is endearing, but the problem isn't using python, per se. if i thought it were, i'd have said ; if an absolute ban on usage were warranted i wouldn't say things like http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-12-11#1955003
lobbes: In other plans, I'm aiming to take a more treacherous approach to coding the auto-bidding for auctionbot. I figure I can handle the majority sans-python, and instead simply leverage the postgres db it sits on (i.e. listen for insert into bid table, execute some postgres functions, spit results into outbox table, done). I'll make an article of what I come
ericbot: Logged on 2019-12-11 22:09:54 dorion_road: With tmsr os, how much work to support the implicit clients isn't clear yet. I'm also not 100% clear on spyked, bvt and lobbes situation apart from gathering they've been consistently productive while working salary mines.
BingoBoingo: To my knowledge the label "cow" only differs in its greater specifity of labeled thing
BingoBoingo: I'm guessing 'Portland Yazidis' will be a sorta budget substitute for the real thing?
mp_en_viaje: i guess im putting some bitcoin aside for when they start selling portland "yazidi" girls in a few years ?
mp_en_viaje: in other lulz, iran bombing usg oil installations nao...
BingoBoingo: In very Uruguay things, an Asado related incident has lead to a relatively large wildfire in Rocha which is leading to closure of some of the few roads up that way. What a way to start tourist season.
dorion_road: Right now we're delivering the service primarily face to face, which mircea_popescu advised against. More thinking about the pivot needs to be done, but with more sales, there will be more opportunity to make an offer to people that's competitive with salary mines.
dorion_road: In the short term, jfw and I are going to integrate it into our service, which, at this point, aims at guiding the right people in learning how to lower their risk in
dorion_road: I defintely have to think more about the long term monetization, but I see big potential.