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ben_vulpes: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.345773172 one year of http://pizarroisp.net/?p=9
ben_vulpes: although perhaps i gotta sell it to you as i won't have a spare to fulfill that promise until the next run.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: 0.2881443 * 1.2 = .34577317 , and yes you'll have a spare
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: one year
ben_vulpes: i can give you a pretty steep discount for paying the year up front, but because i'm building out the downline i want to keep the box on the balance sheet. how about a 20% markup on the machine if you pay for the whole year?
ben_vulpes: eg yours for the year but not purchasing the machine?
ben_vulpes: "buy" in the sense of the amortization thread with davout from http://btcbase.org/log/?date=01-07-2013#113889 ?
ben_vulpes: you wanna pay for a year of hardware up front and invoices for rack space as they come due?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: talking about the mb/cpu combo in the abstract, imma nuke it on this machine for certainsure; will update post
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-23#1785673 << makes sense, i just published the gear Pizarro has for hire immediately. i can either lease you that box *or* a vps on it :\ immediately, but i'll also be running more boxes down in the near future
ben_vulpes bbl, sister got engaged, bubblestiem
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: very sensible, ty
ben_vulpes: mk then
ben_vulpes: i've got a pretty cut-and-dried cost basis for those two machines. it'll look like an line expense for the machines and hardware, followed by a line of income for sale-of-assets matching to the satoshi, plus possibly a token fee to the foundation for assembling them.
ben_vulpes: hey mod6 if there's demand for boxes, would you be averse to selling the machines we got for the foundation to pizarro for leasing on? we can always get another couple of machines, it's not as though the two we bought for the foundation are super important to get racked right now; i'm sure other folks might be willing to rent 'em out and that'd be a great thing for pizarro's cashflow
ben_vulpes: i have one machine that's about to come out of the crate that i'll detail on the blog; i'd intended it for vpsen but would also be happy to lease it entire.
ben_vulpes: not yet, still wrapping up the first courier run. when you say gearlist, you mean "machines Pizarro is buying and will lease out"?
ben_vulpes: groovy, gracias
ben_vulpes: trinque: can i get the pizarro website's rss feed added to deedbot?
ben_vulpes: trinque and anyone else interested in colocating with Pizarro, here's a draft contract for review: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/MBQmX/?raw=true
ben_vulpes: > Critical Linux filesystem permissions are being changed by latest version
ben_vulpes: neato mod6 tyvm
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what's the trilema where you do the math on variance in abilities between the sexes?
ben_vulpes: gonna call my office again?
ben_vulpes: nah it's funnier this way
ben_vulpes: btcvixen: can't even afford an irc client that stays connected all the time, can you
ben_vulpes would dearly like to arbitrarily hie to the beach
ben_vulpes: noches, mod6
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6q4n5TQnpA << oblig from when a million meant something
ben_vulpes: and ofc a non-draggable scroll bar
ben_vulpes: there was also an ad for some kind of novel pharmacofinelyspunhydrocarbon for the sexually-active-but-wanting-to-not-catch-teh-HIV (which, excuse me darling, why are they advertising us aidsmeds on the craplet) that was 30% vertical space for ad and 70% vertical space dedicated to a slow-scroll of finetext with i shit thee not buttons that had triggerable down and up states but *did not affect the scrolling*
ben_vulpes: god damn the whole internet is garbage. last night i was idly looking into long-term synovial fluid health (surprise: webmd is useless and all that google will return results for i wonder why) and found several webshites that while scrolling would arbitrarily jump the page an inch or so at specific points the reasoning for which i could not determine
ben_vulpes: lol that's right this site is garbage
ben_vulpes: they want to hire someone kink friendly if you can imagine that
ben_vulpes: teh caretaking team purplebanner?
ben_vulpes: inb4 mircea_popescu has bought fetlife ads that SPECTRE with javascript
ben_vulpes: i've not been on fetlife in some time so i couldn't say
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-20#1785233 << http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-17#1784554 << treasurer still wanted, but i'll do the duties if nobody steps up; actually strikes me as a core responsibility of the manager of a bitcoin company
ben_vulpes: mod6: be so kind as to comment on the post, my good man
ben_vulpes: i worry it'll wreck a thing i value and have put some sweat into for reasons beyond my ken.
ben_vulpes: poor word choice on my part.
ben_vulpes: sure. i'd hate to lose your custom or his capitalization over what seems to me a trifle whose import i do not understand in the context of the isp.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i gotta say that i do not understand the point of the candid photo request
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform mod6, all interested in the evolution of Pizarro's corporate structure please to review http://pizarroisp.net/?p=5
ben_vulpes: > effective, sustainable, and diverse search engine optimization
ben_vulpes: there are some gems in october 5th as well
ben_vulpes: they'da had to have had the sense to use it
ben_vulpes: i'm actually curious about the joecool scoop
ben_vulpes: https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts"
ben_vulpes: by the name of ... ?
ben_vulpes: what brings you by, freakyfractal ?
ben_vulpes: !!up freakyfractal
ben_vulpes: and yes, 'tis my first round
ben_vulpes: aye, quite.
ben_vulpes: we'll keep it narrow for now.
ben_vulpes: no harm in pedantry here.
ben_vulpes: "each pay in 10 btc" threw me
ben_vulpes: "mod6 and ben_vulpes have extended 5 BTC of The Bitcoin Foundation's capital in credit to further start-up and operating costs associated with taking over the ashes of BISP and bringing a new venture to profitability. asciilifeform will match the Foundation's capital 1-to-1. "
ben_vulpes: anyways, i appreciate everyone's time in refining the structure.
ben_vulpes: i'll let the other two chime in.
ben_vulpes: well that's a doubling of extant capital commitments, but that works for me.
ben_vulpes: pretty straightforward, actually
ben_vulpes: mod6: i can get this drafted with plenty of time for asciilifeform to review before his evening visit
ben_vulpes: i steal from teh best
ben_vulpes: but needed disambiguating now.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i hadn't disclosed that yet, at the time of purchase it seemed appropriate to disclose in the monthly
ben_vulpes: yeah certainly. for my learnings, how did you price chet's ssw's in the early days of s.mg? by having known her forever?
ben_vulpes: i'm actually thinking to capitalize by working on the thing; could easily eat 3.5 btc of my time in the first year alone
ben_vulpes: it's the most important thing one can buy with bitcoins dontchaknow
ben_vulpes: trinque: socks!
ben_vulpes: i don't see why not
ben_vulpes: mod6: you and i decide who to stick on it
ben_vulpes: trinque: "knowledge descends from authority"
ben_vulpes: mod6: i think you meant "board members" upstack, not "managers"
ben_vulpes: trinque: i maintain that the expenditures to date have been appropriate and legitimate, but am compelled by mod6's argument that actually embroiling the foundation in the ownership of Pizarro complicates it unnecessarily
ben_vulpes: so ftr i've disposed of 1.16578854 BTC of the foundation's capital this month; 0.8 in purchasing mircea_popescu's debt and 0.36578854 in servers owned by the foundation; so the sum to which the foundation's piggy is involved is 0.8 BTC
ben_vulpes: it's gonna make things complicated on statements this month but i can handle that
ben_vulpes: your public-relations work to date has been pretty valuable, for one.
ben_vulpes: i'd rather you invest those 5 btc rather than simply give them; it doesn't make a great deal fo sense to 'give' a notionally someday-profitable entity money and furthermore i'd rather you didn't just wash your hands of the whole thing if i can convince you to stick around.
ben_vulpes: not unreasonable, and it does clean up the ownership structure significantly.
ben_vulpes: heya mod6
ben_vulpes off for several hours
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: answered
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: responded
ben_vulpes caught interrupt from real live, bbl
ben_vulpes glad of the questions
ben_vulpes: this is for the full contract period, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: aha ty
ben_vulpes: it's a rush job, friend
ben_vulpes: try now please
ben_vulpes: yeah, i remember that text from spelunking
ben_vulpes: actually i betcha i do know, i had to port the comments widgetry to this theme when i mpwpd myself.
ben_vulpes: yaok, i saw a comment earlier. no idea how it got in there.
ben_vulpes: well, i don't quite know what you mean by "stretch capital". republic gotta have an ISP; and it should be able to turn a profit and pay the foundation back. if it fails to do that, it'll be disappointing and i'll probably resign for mismanagement. initially mod6 and i were considering taking the entire venture on through the foundation when asciilifeform offered to match.
ben_vulpes back later, looking forward to mircea_popescu's comments
ben_vulpes: there please
ben_vulpes: i'd been drafting what turned into the charter from very nearly the very beginning; there's no arrangements or agreements that are not covered in the linked document.
ben_vulpes: for a convertible note like that, how'd you go about setting the conversion rate? lots of yelling?
ben_vulpes: (not to derail, but i've moved the Pizarro provisional charter to http://pizarroisp.net/?p=3 , comments actively sought from eg diana_coman hanbot mircea_popescu lobbes )
ben_vulpes: send them to me please, stand by for mailing address
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm more interested in the remaining supplies of fuckgoats; can i get a quote for 15 of them?
ben_vulpes: wow christ, many apologies.
ben_vulpes to waltz around in the sun for a few minutes, will digest comments async
ben_vulpes: i would also like to deposit these funds with a non-involved individual to seal in blood the capitalization of this entity
ben_vulpes: attn all, here's a draft of the new articles of organization for what was BISP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/A5yUZ/?raw=true excoriate away
ben_vulpes: mod6: i've said it before and i'll say it again, your calm under fire is invaluable and i'd be much obliged if you'd stick around.
ben_vulpes: if that's not enough time, please to speak up asap
ben_vulpes: feb 28th, please
ben_vulpes: great. here's my address http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/couvJ/?raw=true when can you get the box to me?
ben_vulpes: trinque: do you still want that slot?
ben_vulpes: yeah sure, but it'd be a foolhardy operator indeed who expected customers to underwrite bonds
ben_vulpes astonished mircea_popescu remembered the brand this time
ben_vulpes: yes, why?
ben_vulpes: or somehow if the bonds are not from mircea_popescu they are not wanted
ben_vulpes: this is the "potential customer" underwriting bonds?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: didntcha say you weren't going to go on tilt?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do you plan to rent boxes when we get them racked, or possibly colocate?
ben_vulpes: quite!
ben_vulpes: we've made commitments to each other; if those are reneged upon the whole world goes up in a bonfire of negrating.
ben_vulpes: if i say "all boxes getting racked will have 32 cores" that's a huge minimum buy that i don't know that l2 can really eat many of.
ben_vulpes: standardize on number of cores or processor type?
ben_vulpes: i want the next run to have one box with lots of ram and cpu to start selling vps and shared hosting in earnest, and another 2 of smaller boxes that can be rented out entire in the $3-400/mo range.
ben_vulpes: will be renting boxes out, this first courier run is filling up with space-rental.
ben_vulpes: what's so not-dc-worthy about 'em?
ben_vulpes: mmmmhm
ben_vulpes: !!v EC08ABA86FC893FD5A6FCC6FB66965D075BC3B7B00C8BBE155266D7DF4D34286
ben_vulpes: !!pay mod6 0.36578854
ben_vulpes bbl, $child has announced bedtime by angrily tearing apart a couch to build a fort
ben_vulpes: aha ty
ben_vulpes: !!v FE62C1A6B3D703CEB2F058D90938A452801E95F7DCBC03825D763D80E3F7C9DA
ben_vulpes: !!pay mircea_popescu 0.8
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: nah, let me take care of that. 0.8 it was?
ben_vulpes: heya mod6
ben_vulpes: also first blockquote missing a closequote
ben_vulpes: neat shit trinque
ben_vulpes: ty jurov
ben_vulpes: !!v D2AD376C41204078EEB33F217EBD9010D5255241FF9402E4EC6928672DD9556C
ben_vulpes: !!deposit 3.3
ben_vulpes: i'll do it, standby one
ben_vulpes: jurov: i'm guessing mod6 is away from his keys
ben_vulpes: we can run it async, just paste him the deets encrypted
ben_vulpes: jurov will then send the exact quoted amount to that addr and bob's your aunt we should be fine
ben_vulpes: mod6: run !!deposit 3.3 , decrypt it and send the results to jurov
ben_vulpes: jurov: hang on, deposit to mod6's account
ben_vulpes: mod6: if you make a deposit call, can you give jurov the address and amount to send?
ben_vulpes: TomServo: not saying no benefit, would actually be a great thing to do and write up: "so you want to fuckgoats your gpg"
ben_vulpes: what do *you* prefer, TomServo
ben_vulpes: TomServo: you're talking about updating the nonsense "name" field on your kochrsa key?
ben_vulpes: ty jurov_moving
ben_vulpes: hey would you be so kind as to push 3.3 btc of foundation funds to mod6's deedbot account?
ben_vulpes: what a time to be alive
ben_vulpes: settled in btc even?
ben_vulpes: ohai jurov
ben_vulpes: so asciilifeform you see why i'm advertising the slot?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you ordered these boxes from asciilifeform and then threw hands up over the whole thing; still want them disked and racked any preference on which?
ben_vulpes: so it's 1 slot after 1 of 3 s.nsa machines; let's fill it with another s.nsa machine.
ben_vulpes: well you've got the 1 machine that's ready to ship right now, dulap yhes? and then of the 2 remaining diskless gotta a) get disk in 'em and b) get mircea_popescu to okay their installation
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: also hilarious was the wank in pantsuit news recently about omfg nk made so much money evading sanctions and who would evade sanctions!
ben_vulpes: i have one 1U slot open in my next courier run to .uy, if anyone wants their machine couriered down speak NOW or i'm going to fill it with a box of my choice
ben_vulpes: oh i'm just ribbing him for last night
ben_vulpes: but i dunno about that
ben_vulpes: ave1 seems to think i'll need a new key
ben_vulpes: ayup.
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-14#1783842 << BingoBoingo needs supervision and tasking at a (micro-)scale that mircea_popescu understandably has zero interest in providing. now this may be a case of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-10#1783173, but if building an isp for tmsr isn't worth bleeding for i don't know what is and so this is the breach into which i intend to step.
ben_vulpes: what, we release a trb that steals your coins and somehow nobody is to blame? get real
ben_vulpes: how does that follow from my and mod6 personal responsibility for everything the foundation does
ben_vulpes: remind me of what these rules and bylaws are again?
ben_vulpes: thanks, ave1
ben_vulpes: somehow lobbes trinque phf asciilifeform can run bots without the republican isp but all of a sudden shinohai cannot?
ben_vulpes: the equation, it pencils out over here as well.
ben_vulpes: i'll buy it
ben_vulpes: aaand that assumes that the 5 slots mircea_popescu wants don't overlap with s.nsa
ben_vulpes: diana_coman: i've only tallied up ~1.7k/mo in l1 space rental
ben_vulpes: yeah, it was a bit further up, "~1.8k monthly of rack rental buy side floating around"
ben_vulpes: i pulled 2834.06/mo from http://www.thedrinkingrecord.com/2018/02/03/pricing-information-fun-with-numbers/ , estimated some 1.7k in rental subscriptions from l1/2
ben_vulpes: phf: yeah i rolled IVA into that number, is that wrong for some reason?
ben_vulpes: neglecting shared hosting, and again waving hands at a sales rate on vps slicen of 10/mo and zero churn etc, thing could hit breakeven on the rack alone sometime in august
ben_vulpes: i'm guessing the initial subscription of just rack space comes to around 1.7k/mo; waving hands at a vps setup "special get us to breakeven" deal slicing up one of the mega boxes asciilifeform described implies a breakeven at some 57 monthly rentals at 20 usd/mo (which buys 4.5GB of ram, notbad.jpg in the grand scheme of things, but the tiny straw of bandwidth weighs against this)
ben_vulpes: shinohai: obviousl.
ben_vulpes: shinohai: elaborate?
ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-13#1783475 << this is not that clear to me. what i've penciled out is that there are some ~1.8kusd monthly of rack rental buy side floating around, and mircea_popescu's plan as i understand it was to build and rent vpsen to get to breakeven, which still needs someone in teh forums hawking vps
ben_vulpes: girl just pointed out to me that the illustrator of curious george and the bunny didn't let slip a single opportunity to draw a pink little bunny butthole
ben_vulpes: log lag, such hysteresis. next up: "gps no longer a thing anywhere usg assets are walking around outside of their bunkers"
ben_vulpes: it's so pleasing to watch all of these golden toilet tekmologies fall to basic 'wasp'tech.
ben_vulpes: usg cops slowly cottoning on to the fragility of their position: http://abcnews.go.com/US/women-dead-cop-injured-dangerous-ongoing-barricade-situation/story?id=53017623 "death toll could have been much higher", also garage countermeasures finally gaining traction among le resistance; dood lit fires inside the house i imagine to foil the IR cameras
ben_vulpes: subject of correctness, /me has been using "hugs" in place of "shit people from shithole countries". the lefty brainfry this induces is spectacularly hilarious; "i know you're using good words to mean bad things but but but!"
ben_vulpes: thing is proven to be worth 0 in the future after much self delusion, rather than 0 now.
ben_vulpes: i don't follow the logic behind the valuation of the castle at t->inf. once proven wrong, whatever bastion was defended is overrun and so worthless.
ben_vulpes: something is seriously awry in that head.
ben_vulpes: wowowow shinohai
ben_vulpes: hey, pete_dushenski how didja plug the fg into the koch-rsa keygenerator?
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: you don't want a 4096 bit key; i can't find the relevant logs at the moment but koch-rsa does bad shit when generating keys > 2048 bits
ben_vulpes: "hoist upon own petard"
ben_vulpes: phf: what's involved in "transporting as cargo"?
ben_vulpes: how about this us stock market blowoff: 9% loss in less than a month! stocks clearly too volatile to be worth anything as grownup investments.
ben_vulpes: gross
ben_vulpes: (the log line of which i cannot find)
ben_vulpes: exactly the "get another car" thing mircea_popescu described
ben_vulpes: "it was not evident at the time the nuances of where the doors would be" har har har
ben_vulpes: what kind of building was this phf, school?
ben_vulpes: heeeeeere's johnny!
ben_vulpes: i was infected by that one as an actual child
ben_vulpes: and just to purge the queue, also read the last few books in the robert jordan and friends and children series and yup it ends exactly as you'd imagine good guys win bad guys get locked up for another eternity until the cycle starts all over again millenia hence
ben_vulpes: (given as my life is so very pedestrian probably)
ben_vulpes: i muchly prefer the manly men doing manly stabbings and gambling and whoring tyvm
ben_vulpes: it's what you get for picking things based on "it was written by a queer person of color" rather than "it is actually good"
ben_vulpes: as in actually homoerotic; with gay brotherly incest thrown in to boot
ben_vulpes: shit was gaaaaaaaaay
ben_vulpes: girl put this miserable pulp "ninefox gambit" in front of me recently, and i've been bingeing to get the taste out of my mouth
ben_vulpes: dude i just reread hyperion and fall of endymion too for the first time as an adult
ben_vulpes: heh yeah the chronicles has a flavor very similar to that 'heavy metal' set of shorts
ben_vulpes: lord of light also on the reread list, i can't actually remember what it was about for the life of me it's been so long.
ben_vulpes: subj. of 60s/70s fiction, /me rereading zelazny's chronicles of amber for the first time in over a decade. did not age as poorly as i expected.
ben_vulpes: who will service the chan now?!
ben_vulpes: abandoned by chanserv
ben_vulpes: call me when btc crosses 100k and asciilifeform finally coughs up for the custom fab
ben_vulpes: fuck this noise i'm getting my ase cert and going into rally cars
ben_vulpes: gcc has the ken thompson hack and llvm doesn't dontcha know
ben_vulpes: and you gotta use gcc 7 to get the spectre mitigations in gentoo
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hah new one on me
ben_vulpes: the excuse me what now?
ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/B1PLp << more on support animals
ben_vulpes: binance, an altcoin exchange with no representation in the forum, is down
ben_vulpes: meanwhile elsewhere: "I found a nice place where people are so stupid you can make up that an imaginary friend propped up a knife and wounded you, and they will take you seriously. God bless r/tulpas."
ben_vulpes: i've another machine coming online this afternoon, i'll endeavour to reproduce
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