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justJanne: And more democratic, cause the government won't risk ignoring the 7% people who voted liberals, nor the 7% who voted communist, as if they'd ignore them, those parties would just start a fight in Parliament.

justJanne: At least parliament debates are fun with all of them at once.

justJanne: At the same time.

justJanne: Liberals, and communists.

justJanne: You also get right-wingers,

justJanne: And?

justJanne: Yup. FPTP sucks.

justJanne: So the Brits see the shit Cameron is doing.

justJanne: I hope the UK leaves the EU.

justJanne: Gibraltar is UK, would also leave.

justJanne: But London will be piss poor.

justJanne: The tax haven will move to Romania, or Liechtenstein.

justJanne: See?

justJanne: Yes.

justJanne: Wait until the UK leaves, and their tax-haven-economy breaks down.

justJanne: Exactly.

justJanne: Outside of London, the average waiting time for an ambulance is 4 hours.

justJanne: That's noticeable.

justJanne: As their economy right now is "European companies open an Ltd in London"

justJanne: It would finally kill their economy

justJanne: I hope the UK leaves the EU.

justJanne: Meh.

justJanne: I'll brb

justJanne: True.

justJanne: High tech industry.

justJanne: And the solution for that was:

justJanne: As seen in places like Switzerland.

justJanne: mircea_popescu: the Nordic model is possible without any valuable resources.

justJanne: So, like you said, we need to reduce it.

justJanne: Which is not a good thing.

justJanne: Germany can only have a positive state household by exploiting southern Europe.

justJanne: True.

justJanne: I've slept 3h and skipped 2 lectures -.-

justJanne: I have no issue explaining people why removing the Nordic model would be bad.

justJanne: Not really, I didn't take it as 3rd or 4th language in school

justJanne: That's no issue, davout. Such immaterial payments are just what I originally meant.

justJanne: BingoBoingo: then you'd have a hard time here, 90% of all librarians are volunteers.

justJanne: True. But it shows that people have the will and ability to do good without pay.

justJanne: They too?

justJanne: And volunteer garbage workers?

justJanne: davout: and what about volunteer librarians? They too?

justJanne: >_>

justJanne: Bit that's not the case.

justJanne: Ofc I know that shit.

justJanne: Since then, I'm just defending the current position.

justJanne: That's how the whole thing started.

justJanne: Someone yesterday asked what's so bad about abolishing the Nordic model.

justJanne: mircea_popescu: I didn't start any process.

justJanne: One can have an opinion different of yours.

justJanne: Because I still don't believe it is a good idea.

justJanne: I even read dozens of logs of the chat before.

justJanne: No, literally your ideas and statements.

justJanne: And it made me even more convinced it is a great system in theory. Not in reality.

justJanne: williamdunne: I read blogs about it for 3 years.

justJanne: After just a dozen generations, your poor will rise up against you.

justJanne: Especially the "let poor people become poorer" and the "rich become richer" part.

justJanne: williamdunne: when you'd try to implement this system in reality, as a social system.

justJanne: But we talked through your topic a bunch of times.

justJanne: Nah.

justJanne: Interesting idea, unless it is implemented, within of a dozen generations it often stops working.

justJanne: So I read and learned a lot about it.

justJanne: Yeah, a friend of mine was an extreme anarchist.

justJanne: I wonder how you guys actually think your social system will work in reality.

justJanne: I didn't go nuts yet.

justJanne: By people saying they want no subsidies, but TTIP

justJanne: That were picked out of context and attacked today.

justJanne: I made yesterday some statements,

justJanne: No.

justJanne: If the others want to join the argument, they have to also measure themselves to your statements.

justJanne: Yes, and I'm arguing with you.

justJanne: williamdunne Don't want gov

justJanne: williamdunne Don't want taxes

justJanne: Several others said the same before.

justJanne: williamdunne said it, for example.

justJanne: That's pretty much anarchy.

justJanne: trinque: you guys said you wanted a place where "no man rules over other men", no taxes, no government, no controls, no streets.

justJanne: As long as this place can stay the way it is.

justJanne: I don't know. I have no issues with you guys building a state of anarchy,

justJanne: Punishment through inaction is still punishment.

justJanne: Why should they be punished for their parents poorness?

justJanne: Why not?

justJanne: So everyone should, after birth, have the same chances?

justJanne: So, williamdunne, you say people don't deserve to be punished for the actions of their ancestors?

justJanne: I think trinque was the one saying it?

justJanne: In this case, you deserve to be taxed because your parents were to stupid to move away

justJanne: And you said people deserve to be punished for the actions for their ancestors.

justJanne: We had that earlier.

justJanne: It's your choice to live in a place with taxes.

justJanne: No stealing.

justJanne: See?

justJanne: No taxes anymore.

justJanne: You could just move to Somalia.

justJanne: You do it voluntarily.

justJanne: There is no stealing.

justJanne: But objectively not.

justJanne: Not everything is bad, just because you don't like it.

justJanne: Why?

justJanne: Without voting, there is 0 freedom

justJanne: Voting makes it 50% freedom, as at least 50% of the people gets their choice.

justJanne: But without voting there is 0 freedom.

justJanne: Nah.

justJanne: Without even the ability to vote on this, TTIP is unconstitutional.

justJanne: Freedom is when you'd get to vote on it.

justJanne: Nah.

justJanne: You should read the treaty.

justJanne: Then you don't want TTIP

justJanne: TTIP is bad for almost everyone.

justJanne: *as

justJanne: Ad that's copyrighted.

justJanne: So no, you can't produce cheese and call it Gouda or Cheddar in the US anymore.

justJanne: And adds European IP law in the US, and US IP law in Europe.

justJanne: It also leads to restrictions for some companies.

justJanne: Because it forces governments to keep subsidies, or increase them.

justJanne: Then you should be against TTIP

justJanne: Subsidies can't be what you want, right?

justJanne: Per suing company.

justJanne: And had to pay 250 million in damages.

justJanne: Romania reduced subsidies,

justJanne: We've seen what happened before.

justJanne: Lol

justJanne: They might be corrupt, but they aren't that corrupt.

justJanne: The EU commissioners, albeit getting lobbied to by many companies to pass TTIP just leaked all secret treaties they are working on.

justJanne: Or changing the constitution first.

justJanne: You can't pass a law without either bribing half of them,

justJanne: The power is in the commission and the parliament

justJanne: The EU council has actually no say.

justJanne: Nah.

justJanne: For the first time in the past 3000 years we have no wars between EU countries.

justJanne: But the wars inside of EU are history.

justJanne: War might be interested in Europe, as an entity

justJanne: True.

justJanne: Or rather, how to get wars.

justJanne: And that's the issue what's wrong with this world.

justJanne: I am saying: just the food you let go to waste would be enough to feed the starving people in Africa.

justJanne: No.

justJanne: Not really.

justJanne: But about 40% of the produced food is wasted.

justJanne: Currently the food production of the world could support 10 billion people.

justJanne: Nope.

justJanne: And that's where you are wrong.

justJanne: BingoBingo: the issue is that you can't walk around in larger towns anymore, and that's where bikes become useful. And no, people don't steal it. Hell, I've left my laptop hundreds of times on random park benches in heavily frequented parks, never stolen. In my neighborhood most people don't even lock their doors.

justJanne: Anyway, 3am, bbl

justJanne: Still it's not a distance that makes a car useful, but would be ideal for biking.

justJanne: BingoBoingo: I walk that much daily, I know.

justJanne: Almost all parcel companies, pizza delivery services, etc use bikes Jere for that reason.

justJanne: Not helpful at 10-15km distance.

justJanne: Bike is the only solution. (Or public transport)

justJanne: If you have small narrow streets, distances between 10 and 15 km, and a huge amount of people on tiny space,

justJanne: They do.

justJanne: Okay, bbl, it's 3am

justJanne: With less than 47% of the people owning cars, and everyone using bikes, public transport, and walking, the amount of overweight people reduces drastically.

justJanne: Tbh, I like cities where you have to use the bike.

justJanne: In a few years, the US will have reached the level of freedom that somalia has.

justJanne: Then go live in the US.

justJanne: And people deserve to be treated equal.

justJanne: But society is people,

justJanne: And the poor poorer.

justJanne: It helps make the rich richer,

justJanne: Your system is flawed.

justJanne: And what if you can't afford it at that point?

justJanne: *taxed

justJanne: Where they do their physical work, rent a flat, but food — those things are taxes.

justJanne: Nah.

justJanne: Why should they live in the serene republic, where your insurance can run off with all your money, when they can live here, and have guaranteed healthcare?

justJanne: The question is:

justJanne: You are technically a tourist.

justJanne: If you earn your money outside, only use it outside, and so on,

justJanne: If you earn money in this country, work here (physical place of employer counts), or use your money, it will be taxed.

justJanne: Then you will have to pay them.

justJanne: You never see the 50%

justJanne: Your employer has to send that money to the govt.

justJanne: Why not?

justJanne: But yeah, it would work with bitcoin.

justJanne: Too high transfer fees, too slow transfers.

justJanne: And, tbh, here no one cares about bitcoin.

justJanne: The Nordic model works without currency.

justJanne: Not necessarily.

justJanne: As everyone can claim their model would work.

justJanne: For this discussion.

justJanne: We don't accept fictional systems here, only ones that exist in reality.

justJanne: Can you provide a real life example?

justJanne: So, perfect free anarchy?

justJanne: Because the US is a reference point as worst case civilized country.

justJanne: Yes, somalia has more personal freedom, but again, try living there.

justJanne: And the personal freedom in the Nordic model is larger than in the US.

justJanne: But again, the idea of the Nordic model is huge personal freedom, at the same time a stable society that provides a great basis for everyone.

justJanne: Especially as the amount of corruption is very different on where you are, and when.

justJanne: mike_c: kinda. But corruption makes discussion always useless.

justJanne: At full pay.

justJanne: danielpbarron: you aren't forced to. You can also raise your children at home, ofc.

justJanne: Not shitty stuff.

justJanne: You want trains that operate every 20 minutes, at 240km/h, for 19€ across Europe,

justJanne: danielpbarron: because that's shit?

justJanne: Like the railway tracks, those can be nonprofit monopolies, while dozens of rail operators can rent them.

justJanne: Most of the things need to be a competition, others need to be nonprofit monopolies.

justJanne: Yes.

justJanne: The private monopoly will have an incentive to provide the worst service possible, at the highest possible price.

justJanne: Assuming no corruption,

justJanne: And? Were they replaced by private competition or a private monopoly?

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