ascii_butugychag: i was sorta on the cusp of this.
ascii_butugychag: i think he took a look at the logs and was not able to readily distinguish us from the chirp of the frogs.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369182 << he eventually wrote back, promised to generate pgp key, when finds the time...
mircea_popescu: what's with all these confused broads posing for dating site profile pics WITH THEIR MOTHER.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 16:09:36; mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369206 << l0l, he did say 'as the punchline..' !11
mircea_popescu: "The scientist who receives a percentage of the profits - a percentage of the gross! - generated by his own work has yet to be born, hired, or envisioned (ecept as the punchline of a joke)." << heh, alf's been making 70% of the gross for years now.
shinohai: http://thenextweb.com/us/2016/01/13/us-intelligence-boss-james-clappers-phone-and-personal-email-were-hacked/ <<< cracka strikes again
mircea_popescu: the difference between the kids of today and the kids of back when it was worth meeting new kids... s/lfkdjgkjlewrhgkerhklgj/diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate/
mircea_popescu: "That should not be difficult. Use attrition technology developed for cobalt-cemented tungsten carbide and substitute about 10 mole-% of high molecular weight PVK to adsorb upon the micaceous platelet crystal surfaces. Thus when you add the dispersed phase to a pre-polymer syrup of about 50,000 centistokes viscosity, non-Fickian Type II diffusion will volumetrically plasticize the adsorbate preventing particle agglomer
mircea_popescu: "This is Dr. Frutex. Yes, I heard about you! Tell me, how would you generate a microdispersion of sodium diaminodihydroxyarsenobenzenemethanesulfonate in a linear hydrophobic matrix synthesized below its glass transition temperature?"
mircea_popescu: "Al, you simply must call Althea Frutex at Glanders, Associates. I FAXed her your resume and she practically jumped through the phone with enthusiasm."
mircea_popescu: "I was fired. Sometimes you find it hard just not to cry. (Said employer purged its 20% insubordinate, belligerent, ingenious, and flat-out insane employees. What remained was loyal to a fault, perfect in execution, possessed of fine silk neckties, and unemployed 18 months later when the whole company folded.)"
mircea_popescu: an' therefore you must've met.
mircea_popescu: jurov im pretty sure she showed up at least for some of the stuff.
jurov: "However, sources indicate future Decondtioned releases remain in doubt after Packard’s father upgraded the garage air conditioner to a brand new Amana “Whisper Quiet” unit."
assbot: Emerging Harsh Noise Artist Revealed To Be Faulty Air Conditioning Unit - The Hard Times ... ( http://bit.ly/1KcX1ZW )
jurov: http://thehardtimes.net/2016/01/11/emerging-harsh-noise-artist-revealed-as-faulty-air-conditioning-unit/ hahaha
mircea_popescu: and it extends almost twice as far away from the port in the south -west than i nthe north. a town the size of a respectable country.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, that wasn't even the outskirts. kinda midtown, the park is two blocks down from chacarrita, the cemetery. she lived nearby. i have a place a good 6 miles further north, right on the province border. the town extends past that, arguably.
ben_vulpes: the self-eulogies are funny too
ben_vulpes: heh the lightly-salted bootstrap on bitcoinclassic is highly amuse
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assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 12:30:08; mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369090 << i've been doing this since '07, publicly. but as mircea_popescu points out, memento mori (tm), there is little time, and i have been doing other things
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369063 << ben_vulpes and i had the honour. we went for coffee, and chetty took us to a park on the outskirts of town where we fed little parrots
mircea_popescu: not to get facile over here or anything, but let me point out to you from bitter experience that there is generally less time than one'd reasonably have thought.
mircea_popescu: do they have any words for insanity in your language ?
mircea_popescu: so you're spending your youth, or at least every waking hour away from your child and his mother, to do things you wouldn't use on a platform you hate ?
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 07:15:01; pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1369017 << "i am the most powerful mobster in nycity. i pay more in shakedowns than anyone else! and this'll last, too, because it's a stable sort of situation!"
davout: and sometimes it's my hard wares that use the back doors
mircea_popescu: there is such a thing as french hardware ?!
mircea_popescu: but you should both document that lost decade and provide pointers to check what others did against it.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:22:45; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 6.26374519 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b10
davout: i'm busy integrating a brand new matching engine in our system, so that's the kind of feedback that's interesting for me
jurov: advance.paymium.com does make recognizable calls like https://paymium.com//api/v1/data/eur/ticker but it's not clear whether it's daily vwap
gribble: The operation succeeded.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype - http://bitbet.us/bet/1198/connor-mcdavid-will-live-up-to-the-hype/#b9
copypaste: For example, Litecoins, "Stellar", Ethereum, and so on, but even far less known scams like "007coin" and "Aidencoin".
adlai helps the literately-challenged members of the audience: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/e3/e5/9e/e3e59e8e78957abcda2a7de317c8582f.jpg (now go read the remaining #'butlast pages, it's but a shingle shitting's worth)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Matthew Veety on Twitter: "@maybekatz I've probs said this before but thank you for making chanl. It's the best thing ever." ... ( http://bit.ly/1OqmK2V )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski on to the next one
pete_dushenski: or that biden's 8 years older than the first time i saw him, that much closer to the senior mr. l
pete_dushenski: must be the angle
davout: pete_dushenski: there definitely is something
pete_dushenski: "and since no one else spent usdollars, we spent the most usdollars! combined!"
copypaste: And now you realize that the speeches of American presidents are now informercials
copypaste: "X is the best according to X"
copypaste: North Korea has the most powerful economy and army in the World, as measured by The People's Bureau of Statistics of North Korea.
pete_dushenski: " The United States of America is the most powerful nation on Earth. Period. It’s not even close. We spend more on our military than the next eight nations combined."
pete_dushenski: "Let me start with the economy, and a basic fact: the United States of America, right now, has the strongest, most durable economy in the world. We’re in the middle of the longest streak of private-sector job creation in history."
BingoBoingo is thankful St Louis finally got forked off of the NFL chain so we can be done with the Inglewood rams.
assbot: Logged on 30-11-2015 23:20:22; mircea_popescu: alternatively, all women are the same woman, eh pete_dushenski ?
pete_dushenski: is there nothing bitcoin doesn't disrupt ?
pete_dushenski: before the blockchain, that is
pete_dushenski: 'journaled' seems to be the ticket.
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 22:24:10; punkman: the main chain of blockhain.info. can be problematic if blockchain.info starts displaying both 1mb and >1mb chains concurrently
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368633 << i'm with kako. seems pretty unambiguous. what bc.i lists is what determines the outcome of https://bitbet.us/bet/1217/bitcoin-main-net-block-size-to-increase-before/
assbot: Y’know that post-industrial service economy thing ? Ya, it’s just another shitty command economy. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RLaWg4 )
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368046 << writing's on the wall. has been for a while, i suppose. http://www.contravex.com/2015/04/05/yknow-that-post-industrial-service-economy-thing-ya-its-just-another-shitty-command-economy/
pete_dushenski: i guess the strange part is how unusual a window into the last few hours and minutes of a (really rather exceptional) human life it is, and how you'd never know unless you knew.
deedbot-: [Trilema] And now the story has an ending. - http://trilema.com/2016/and-now-the-story-has-an-ending/
gribble: The operation succeeded.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:23:53; gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368944 << i'll leave it to gabriel_laddel, adlai, et al, i've not the time or energy.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:14:54; gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368919 << because there is no standard hardware platform.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:08:37; mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack."
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368908 << 'give si fab and then we talk'
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:28; mircea_popescu: and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368906 << forget gpu, there is not a usefully lispified driver for ANYTHING ELSE in x86 hardware ! and for reasons that have to do with how the idiot architecture is built (can i haz atomic lisp operation? no, because interrupts on x86. i wasted most of a decade on this)
gabriel_laddel: Please, for the 100th time, go right on ahead.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:07:02; mircea_popescu: meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368904 << is the concept of impedance-mismatch-with-os unclear to mircea_popescu ?
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:04:05; mircea_popescu: what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ?
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 01:01:16; mircea_popescu: the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368893 << this is demonstrably false, and wtf, 'power rangers', smbx had a 100% lispified 3d accelerator in the '80s.
assbot: Logged on 13-01-2016 00:59:45; mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-01-2016#1368884 << no shit, the braindamaged opengl thing had not been yet conceived of then
phf: mircea_popescu: there's a limited number of lispers and they all scratch their own itch. without centralized visions results barely compose. gabriel_laddel needs working clim for his projects. robert strandh only occasionally hacks on mcclim anymore, spends most of his time on n-th rewrite of emacs, etc. and of course there are arguments of what the components should be and how they should compose. the only common ground is the
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gabriel_laddel: No lisper to date has produced a distro that DOES NOT CHANGE so one may use it as a platform for application development. Lisp solves a well-specified set of problems - ensuring that your algol reproducibly builds is not one of them.
gabriel_laddel: Some 'lisper' who 'gets it' will implement a 'lisp' on top of another system and declare that "for such and such political/business reasons, the system we're basing our lisp on won't change its foundations, and therefore we're safe to write code on top of it"
gabriel_laddel: non-CL lispers by-and-large, fail to understand why they're using lisp at all.
mircea_popescu: i can readily understand why the ~performance~ issue is a true quagmire.
mircea_popescu: (note that i'm not discussing performance. i'm not going hey, why doesn't lisp-gl push out 2x the fps of directx in 2001. just, it should be abel to do it, at all.)
mircea_popescu: but what's the problem, anyway ? seems like this is an exact match for the argued strengths of lisp.
mircea_popescu: "take your propeller-hat, your paranthesis and your spielhosen away from here and come back when you have a fully native gfx stack."
phf: mircea_popescu: oh they do, that's a common argument
mircea_popescu: and nobody seems to rub the lispers' face in this, either. what, there's some sort of chivalrous convention i don't know about going on ?
mircea_popescu: meanwhile... there is an implementation of particularly gnarly in c, but not in lisp.
mircea_popescu: shut to other programmers."
mircea_popescu: yeah well... this logic is broken. so lisp is good because, and i quote, "Because Lisp, as a tool, is to the mind as the lever is to the arm. It amplifies your power and enables you to embark on projects beyond the scope of lesser languages like C. Writing in C is like building a mosaic out of lentils using a tweezer and glue. Lisp is like wielding an air gun with power and precision. It opens out whole kingdoms
phf: everything talks to xlib, win32, carbon/cocoa and on top of that to opengl, directx. there are parts of that stack implemented in lisp (either as clients or as hosts). there's no opengl in lisp, there's opengl client in lisp. there's both xlib client and server in lisp, etc. there's not enough lisp code to run the whole graphics stack from the lisp machine to the video card end to end
mircea_popescu: what, all through 1995 - 2005 everyone "in lisp" sat around on their ass passing back and forth stories of how cool moon was in the 70s and how great gabriel's hairdo looks ?
mircea_popescu: there should have been long ago. wtf is this joek.
mircea_popescu: the lisp power rangers failed to lead the wave in implementing opengl correctly twenty years ago
mircea_popescu: incidentally if things are this fucked up, the correct avenue would probably be to define a full gfx stack
phf: mircea_popescu: i think that there's a bunch of people trying to chuck moore their way out of "modern computing" here, as such there's not native anything
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: they did. Symbolics.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
phf: gabriel_laddel: i'm saying that it's only worthwhile to bring in zen if you want to ultimately do x11 support for foreign code. right now your problem is clim+xlib, you want your problem to be clim+xlib+zen+cl-opengl+glx. if the ultimate goal is drop x, then might as well try and retarget clim to framebuffer. the two (adding zen and framebuffer clim) or at 100% identical in the amount of effort
mircea_popescu: im not the one that loves lisp.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: have you tried reading the OpenGL spec?
mircea_popescu: why the fuck not ?
mircea_popescu: phf there is no native lisp gfx engine ?
gabriel_laddel: It seems like what you're getting at is that the correct order of affairs is to tackle zen first, and then CLIM?
gabriel_laddel: phf: yes, debugging CLIM + zen at the same time is going to suck, but debugging CLIM + xlib sucks, and I have not yet compared the two to find out which is worse.
gabriel_laddel: phf: "because can still attach c program outputs" + "zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox". We have CLIM irc, a listener (repl), an editor, dired + other. I don't particularly want to run c programs. You'd just end up reinventing CLIM anyways after you notice that "gee, it would be nice to have draggable crossbars in my GUI and geometry".
mats: and then he disappeared forever (I didn't render any payment, though)
mats: we were almost finalized on a small project where he'd design a widget and send me 3d prints of the prototype
phf: i know you do clim, but running clim through zen is essentially simultaneously trying to debug two 70% speed/coverage projects. even simple handwritten xlib proggies don't work out of the box.
phf: also zen doesn't support most of the modern x11 extensions, that you might want for running something like firefox. in fact last time i checked it didn't support xrander, which is an old image composition extension that might as well be standard
phf: main problem with zen right now is that it does rendering, but it uses opengl (glx specifically) as the framebuffer. i've not looked at the implementation bits, but i assume that it goes beyond simple blit, so you might be able to retarget it to other opengl, but not necessarily straight to framebuffer, without implementing your own blit level rendering primitives
phf: how xserver talks to hardware is entirely outside the scope of protocol, since server accepts the xproto packets and then does rendering
phf: gabriel_laddel: i was drunk when answering you last time. i like the idea of a self-contained lisp system with ux built on top of xproto/xlib/zen, because can still attach c program outputs, and stream own output to unix systems proper. i've been building my own tools to be essentially a combination of cmucl repl, that spawn xlib windows on demand. not sure if you know but x is essentially a binary network protocol (described in
mircea_popescu: "oh, i'm not like those suckers working at pretending haskell is a thing ... i'm better than them... i'ma do the same thing by myself!!!!1" herp.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368682 << actually mold is a fine example of the hubbard/john smith sort of typically usian hack. took something, painted it, preteneded he made something. not unlike the derp that buys a ford truck, paints "lightning" on the sides, claims he build his own race car.
mircea_popescu braces himself for "number theory is not really analysis and you're not doing REAL math, only we multiplying matrixes while polishing lenses are doing the real maths!"
mircea_popescu: see the discussion with cads on the topic two years ago. the for ~ANY~ thing is what's important there.
mircea_popescu: actually... when it came time for the cantor proof, the "work hard" galz tried to copy the whole fucking matrix off the table, and this made a meme at the time
mircea_popescu: in fact, the eulora experience is very much in line with a lengthy personal history whereby very smart, well intentioned, patient people trying to cater to my shockingly insane whims and whines end up with exceptionally well crafted items that stand proudly on their own.
mircea_popescu: and im not saying the gfx add-on is not helpful or w/e. but also not fucking mandatory.
mircea_popescu: not by any means all my doing. but the design is sane and yes, it does. she's currently making a map of resources in practically this.
ascii_butugychag: so the thing gracefully degrades to a text MUD? neato.
mircea_popescu: you don't have to run the graphical client! for all it cares you can talk to it by hand.
ascii_butugychag: with the quaternionic gpu
ascii_butugychag: actually english speakers are so habituated to this that they have problems with ANY attempt at 'english-parsing machine'
jurov: ascii_butugychag: you see, quaternions are not in his wot and it's problem of the lusers who use it
mircea_popescu: that's the luser's problem.
mircea_popescu: jurov there's a difference between a proper existing ast, such as we have with words, unless we're idiots ; and a random gcc barf product.
jurov: well if I have to explore context what a word mean, well, then it is C++ too
mircea_popescu: so then we basically are happy with an alphabet of ~100 ish characters and that's that.
mircea_popescu: or for his dumbass arrows in the example given yest.
mircea_popescu: jurov the later is actually part of the graph. i can not meaningfully search for a motherfucking dot.
mircea_popescu: if you expect to have a [ that scales to lines, we got a problem. there's not going to be any 244/245/179 bs
mircea_popescu: as long as what we do is we take ((1,2),(2,3)) and either print it as such or else draw it for your benefit as seen there, if you run a plug in everyone's happy.
mircea_popescu: the complete meaning of star warsa can be conveyed in two lines.
ascii_butugychag: does it convey the complete 'meaning of starwars' ?
mircea_popescu: that i can see the complete meaning in plain text whenever i opt to not run whatever program.
mircea_popescu: ie, they degrade gracefully.
mircea_popescu: nothing, as long as you don't expect me to run the program
mircea_popescu: do you understand that your computer is broken by design for as long as you allow the conceptual possibility of adding symbols ?
mircea_popescu: not even. it's just that i'm so allergic to "dynamically linked" bullshit that i barf at the very notion of a computing system that might need "expansions" because people don't want ot learn to read and write
mircea_popescu: it's not only unspecified, it's also... unusable by a machine. because who the fuck knows when you'll feel the need for colored unicodemen
ascii_butugychag: with the difference that i don't have to catch stroustrup and hang him upside-down and soldering iron to get new mathematical notation when i need it...
mircea_popescu: just like the c++ folks!
ascii_butugychag: just that i operate using an idea of meaning that lets me make things happen, occasionally, rather than having to stay in bed because we have not actually discovered REAL MEANING yet
mircea_popescu: what's the difference between the forty and the sixty pixel tall long line with the little vertical ends ?
mircea_popescu: and the argument that it "beats words" is not unlike the argument that clang "beats lisp" because "apple ipad!!11"
mircea_popescu: "kinda most of the stuff except what we don't understand"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368661 << rather. because it 'd be for once and all be an actually COMPLETE notation
jurov: if math analysis was taught in lisp, that would maybe not be the case
ascii_butugychag: and the 'pdf must die and not replaced with anything like it' thing
mircea_popescu: no, it was whether we'll be supporting anything but ascii
ascii_butugychag: jurov: it was originally about 'whether maths require a graphics terminal'
ascii_butugychag: the thread concerned THINKING
ascii_butugychag: that they are rows? of an inherently spatial thing ?
ascii_butugychag: verbalize this for me. and explain why anyone outside of a mental asylum would want to manipulate the thing in that form.
ascii_butugychat: then i am trying to describe 'why musical staff' to deaf folk
trinque: and you are missing the part where I'm asking a damn question.
trinque: if it is up to you entirely to invent the notation, I don't know why one would go to one with non-obvious evaluation order and all manner of other problems I thought lisp solved
ascii_butugychat: trinque: ever do any serious original mathematics ?
trinque: your example is that "I was able to wrangle someone else's nonsense with lisp" and I agree it does that rather well.
trinque: nock, rather.
trinque: why not invent operators all day in C++ ? and were you to explain the distinction between the two, the conversation would end right there.
ascii_butugychat: (how to write integral? what if i want the stick longer? do i have to spend all day fitting the bloody thing to a grid?)
ascii_butugychat: it is 'only' shorthand in exactly the same sense that the letters on your screen are 'shorthand' for raw bits
jurov: but in the end, it is actually only shorthand.
jurov: symbolic shorthand is very useful for a mathematician who want to pack as much stuff as possible into his viewport/chalkboard
ascii_butugychat: they are while i am.
ascii_butugychat: i am NOT interested in dealing with this in motherfuking VERBAL form
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 20:57:40; trinque: mircea_popescu │ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're taking. << the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) plain english, and even better, represented as an explicit tree with s-expressions. that one can parse the hieroglyphs when he's habituated to them... fine, but I thought we were after "fits in head" here. how much skull-space does that
BingoBoingo: Well sometimes they have been...
punkman: the main chain of blockhain.info. can be problematic if blockchain.info starts displaying both 1mb and >1mb chains concurrently
CowManure: were either of those answers to my question?
assbot: Gavin and Toomim Present: "Classic" – Another Hard Fork Risk | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RKjG60 )
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/01/gavin-and-toomim-present-classic-another-hard-fork-risk/#comment-38912
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: So, apparently qntra is hours ahead of ther derp press on "ClassicCoin" fork. Who wants to put odds on Qntra being days ahead of ragazine et al?
user1675_: there is no manual or instructions
mircea_popescu: chief among those ways, teach them how to thing properly and watch them lose interest and move on
trinque: mircea_popescu: your comment about symbolics murdering the competition and saying "here is the spec" for example.
trinque: the comment about syntactic barriers was this, that if the hieroglyphs keep dummies from mauling the field (even as a happy accident), there are much better ways to push them out
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 05:28:22; trinque: why create syntactic barriers to understanding when you can just kill the folks you don't want in your math club, anyway
trinque: mircea_popescu │ http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1367833 << i can't discern which side you're taking. << the side with mostly (if not *entirely*) plain english, and even better, represented as an explicit tree with s-expressions. that one can parse the hieroglyphs when he's habituated to them... fine, but I thought we were after "fits in head" here. how much skull-space does that
mircea_popescu: gives the chinese something to buy
ascii_butugychag: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10887981 << lulzy shitgnomade re: the fortinet thing
ascii_butugychag: 'Councilman Clinton J. Olivier... ...asked Dyer a simple question: “Could you run my threat level now?” Dyer agreed. The scan returned Olivier as a green, but his home came back as a yellow, possibly because of someone who previously lived at his address, a police official said.'
ascii_butugychag: who remembers the film 'brazil' ?
ascii_butugychag: 'The Fresno City Council called a hearing on Beware in November after constituents raised concerns. Once council member referred to a local media report saying that a woman’s threat level was elevated because she was tweeting about a card game titled “Rage,” which could be a keyword in Beware’s assessment of social media.'
ascii_butugychag: 'As officers respond to calls, Beware automatically runs the address. The searches return the names of residents and scans them against a range of publicly available data to generate a color-coded threat level for each person or address: green, yellow or red.'
assbot: The new way police are surveilling you: Calculating your threat ‘score’ - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1l3LHsA )
ascii_butugychag: moar, https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/the-new-way-police-are-surveilling-you-calculating-your-threat-score/2016/01/10/e42bccac-8e15-11e5-baf4-bdf37355da0c_story.html
ascii_butugychag: http://grist.org/article/7-kinds-of-government-subsidies-those-angry-ranchers-get-that-you-dont << lulzily linked from the fishwrap
mircea_popescu: your life's ever closer to the dungeon, eh alf.
ascii_butugychag: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/commuting/a-peek-inside-metros-newest-rail-car/2011/07/06/gIQASy511H_story.html < them
ascii_butugychag: the new train cars in this town are...
ascii_butugychag: (e.g., some of the police choppers where i live. i was shown one up close at a public expo, tiny thing)
mircea_popescu: yeah, but these tiny things here discussed seemed more like chainsaw than turbojet.
ascii_butugychag: eagle in the air intake ?
mircea_popescu: you get stability in the sense that you agree to be a carrot moving at speed on a vegetable grater.
BingoBoingo: In other news, this may be the fastest a qntra has gotten social media noise https://twitter.com/qntra/status/686996869583523840 << 20 minutes
ascii_butugychag: only on the ground do you get stability (mostly) for free
mircea_popescu: well of course. you can just plug the power backwards, who's to know.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag let's see... anywehre you go, there's a ~1k lane highway available. and it's on ~ 50 or 100 levels. so 50k lanes at a minimum. what fucking traffic.
ascii_butugychag: PeterL: yeah but the remaining folk all have dirigibles
ascii_butugychag: if yours is the only one in town - sure
ascii_butugychag: what's the point ? rooftop escapes ?
PeterL: back to the topic of alphabet, alchemists/early chemists came up with wacky symbols for all the elements, thankfully somebody got smart and switched to alphabetic symbols instead.
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368493 << same pathetic range as car, too
assbot: Logged on 12-01-2016 19:40:10; mircea_popescu: are you seriously going to tell me that the compiler fails to identify this optimization ?!
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-01-2016#1368478 << the sole purpose of 'proclaim' is to hand-optimize where the compiler cannot SAFELY do it
assbot: Logged on 06-01-2016 14:03:09; punkman: http://iconaircraft.com/news/flying-the-icon-a5-in-new-york-city/ neat
mircea_popescu: (flying a fixed wing is similar, except the arrangement has signigicant - if not gravitational - inertia. a tiny heli does not.)
assbot: Meet Afalina: Russian manufacturer reveals the world’s cheapest helicopter (VIDEO) — RT News ... ( http://bit.ly/1N5zIBj )
mircea_popescu: they can have a kennel for all i care.
PeterL: * <mircea_popescu> they need a runway. << Why not both?
mircea_popescu: "There is no reason that a programmer should know that this rewrite is needed. On the other hand, finding that performance was not as expected should not have led the manager of the programmer in question to conclude, as he did, that Lisp was the wrong language." ahaha what ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.