mod6: i wanna send a bunch of more txs to the foundations addy and debug while im doing that.
guruvan: mod6: not sure what you're testing - I just put together a docker image with the v0.5.3 code on thebitcoin.foundation site
jurov: guruvan: pls post the configg.log as it says
mod6: the main issue is here, that i mainly just use this instance for build tests & full-sync tests. but the debugging i wanna do now, requires a fully syncd chain.
mod6: i think it's ok. i'll probably just shut down this instance, detach the volume, fire up my old deb instance and debug on that.
mod6: guruvan: yeah, i guess that buildroot must hvae used 4.8.4 to build the 4.9.x with musl that buildroot uses.
guruvan: oic - I didn't notice the musl libc - I've not built one of those yet - but - did you write a whole profile for it?
mod6: or.. related to that. i /know/ the compiler itself works, because i just recompiled bitcoind lastnight on here. but i dunno, seems like buildroot somehow hijacked the systems gcc and how is rendered defunct?
mod6: CC='/mnt/btc-dev/rotor/toolchain/usr/bin/x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc'
mod6: guruvan: hey thanks, yeah i think after looking at the config.log output it's because of this:
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 18:20:12; mircea_popescu: http://www.secureworks.com/cyber-threat-intelligence/threats/bgp-hijacking-for-cryptocurrency-profit/ << somewhat old but i dun recall it being in the log.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell jamieredman Perhaps before you try going beyond Faith you first try putting the rest of everything together. You do realized that at one point Hegelian societies dedicated to spreading socialism were quite trendy?
BingoBoingo: No wonder Ver's news site is going off they rails. They've got self declared Hegelians https://archive.is/70Zz9
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mod6: checking whether the C compiler works... configure: error: in `/var/tmp/portage/sys-devel/gdb-7.10.1/work/gdb-7.10.1':
punkman: ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing. << it was actually floods in Thailand.
mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: lol, ty thestringpuller for keeping Qntra moving on a weekend.
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mod6: maybe this is the problem: * Last emerge --sync was 188d 1h 7m 43s ago.
mod6: in other news, this is annoying:
ben_vulpes: even if you don't move the coins around, would you show your charge and account for its not moving in donations?
jurov: there are expected expenses?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget. <+ben_vulpes> foundation spend << not to date << technically we have made one expenditure, paying jurov his yearly fee.
mircea_popescu: be that as it may, i'm going to take the girls out to eat, and so we can continue later !
BingoBoingo: At least that's what the old timers say
BingoBoingo: The dope is merely a symptom of deeper pathology
mircea_popescu: course by now he's taken longer than conceivable for this purpose, but then again... his lyf.
mircea_popescu: anyway. my in-between-the-lines reading of the situation was that alf found, unexpectedly, that he had been doing dope for a long time, and while is working to get himself off the stuff, nevertheless due to the lenthy time spent on sudden solutions aren't practicable. so he's working on it.
ben_vulpes never understood the 'broomstick' line
jurov: to me it would make sense to pay full month or two to kick the project off
BingoBoingo: lol, wake me up when off the shelf solutions to replace the thermite role with FOOF emerge
ascii_shmoocon: lol thermite in 1u !
mircea_popescu: really this fiction of paying money rather than equity is nonsense of the first order.
jurov: sigh, can't find the original offer, maybe it was not employment but i do remember offering fiat service to alf
ascii_shmoocon: I'm sitting next to the cam, lol
ascii_shmoocon: you can watch the stream
mircea_popescu: no thermite present ?
ascii_shmoocon: no spot but here, watching a bloke give a talk on thermite, wearing a firesuit
mircea_popescu: anyway, alf's position is particularly unfortunate i guess, on one hand not one of "mps' 15k", on the other not one of the 15mn, is there no spot in the sun for an alf!
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes incidentally did that other guy work out, what's his name
jurov: *sigh* there it is.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:56:29; mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?
mircea_popescu: put your offer in the book, if it is of this nature of a firm offer, and wait and see.
mircea_popescu: jurov seems the trade'll unwind. in fairness, you can't at the same time try to snipe bids you like, and be upset you don't see as many as you decided you need.
phf: return, if there's value in s.nsa output
phf: i find the framing odd, i thought purpose of s.nsa capital was to assist ascii in his b-a aligned, but essentially personal endeavor, which might potentially have a return. somehow it turned into "pay ascii by the hour". if ascii doesn't want to work on cardano, it's not a b-a way to coerce him, but if the project still exists, is being worked on, then money will be spent when there's something to spend it on, and there will be a
BingoBoingo: Aha, this really gets to the meat of the problem. Impatience with fiat not dying fast enough for any of us to buy Nevada on a whim yet.
adlai wonders whether the problem is "investors have come to expect", reminiscent of: "if this is not what you have come to expect, please adjust your expectations"
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo except he doesn't seem to want them ; and besides, what confidence does a bum inspire to be a chief engineer ?
mircea_popescu: and if alf specifically won't show up in the employment line, an exactly fungible equivalent surely will.
mircea_popescu: i dun happen to want to run yet another of those ventures, myself. but others do, and i'm sure if you're one of them you can go open an office in sf, hire head hunters and proceed apace.
mircea_popescu: jurov lettuce not be naive. the alternatives here aren't the alternatives we perceive we would prefer. it's either he's a free man and does it as such, or else he's a peon like al schwatz describes in that very well written piece.
BingoBoingo: It seems that the answer to the S.NSA problems is getting alf food stamps and section 8 housing.
mircea_popescu: jurov did the foundation ever spend anything, i forget.
mircea_popescu: so i don't terribly favouring the "quickly! spend!" approach. but that's just me.
mircea_popescu: there's a lengthy list of various fiat-based stuff that tried the "low time, high money" approach. they all failed and had to be rolled up in ever-larger failed ventures, usg style.
ascii_shmoocon: the investors spoke at ipo
jurov: what is the ratio?
mircea_popescu: heck, i'd even list it, i dun see the problem.
mircea_popescu: you're also wrong in imagining that anyone does anything other than in their own time.
mircea_popescu: you are wrong in the part where you presume to decide whether what other people do is needed or not.
jurov: well the situaiton is that "person who will handle the operational, research and technical aspects of the venture" does it in his own time and own money anyway and whole s.nsa is scarcely needed
ascii_shmoocon: mno, blew last weekend on the tx crapola
ascii_shmoocon: possibly i'll have to reach into sofa cushion and give the coinz back
mircea_popescu: and from the looks of it investors are starting to have had enough, eh.
ascii_shmoocon: as it is, snsa is somethng i do on the train to and from 8h of garbage
mircea_popescu: there's no merchants left in thsi world are there. whole fucking raft of culture and its knowledges, gone from the world.
mircea_popescu: sez so right in the merchant of venice!
mircea_popescu: in the sense that it doesn't buy a si fab or what ?
ascii_shmoocon: (the pot is almost uselessly small)
mircea_popescu: jurov well company sells shares, until it puts them to some use it holds on to them. what else can you do ?
jurov: is "holding coins" in the s.nsa contract?
ascii_shmoocon: i often wish that we had not taken in the coinS
jurov: what is the product?
jurov: and the coins aren't going to be used prioductively anytime soon
ascii_shmoocon: in fact there is a reason this is a recurrent motif in afterlife myths!!
jurov: how is my relationship with s.nsa "coexisting productively" ? i can either negrate alf, or cause price to plummet yet further
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:10:40; mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.
mircea_popescu: and maybe there's a 3.
mircea_popescu: inept whining to the degree that "people might, and how do we know they won't" and etc are not germane. that's why there's the wot and fore that matter when's the last time you ate soup with a turd in it ?
mircea_popescu: 2. decentralized world, and powers of varying magnitudes coexisting productively is an ~ecological~ problem. of exactly the nature of "don't shit in the soup bowl".
ascii_shmoocon: and holyfuq are these talks snorefest
mircea_popescu: i gather'd.
BingoBoingo wasted too much of my life reading a piece by Simon Edhouse of David Thorne fame. Copholarchaeologist can find it themselves
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon i'm pretty firmly dedicated to having spectacular sex with any and all mps. why kill each other ?!
mircea_popescu: jurov if you want now, the offer is -11%. if you want +10%, you'll have to wait and see.
jurov: how do i fix the timescale? by abducting ascii_shmoocon to north korea?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes well, generallty the way investing works is that you can either fix the margin or the timescale.
gribble: Do you really want to be making this much money when you're 50?: <http://yosefk.com/blog/do-you-really-want-to-be-making-this-much-money-when-youre-50.html>; The "high-level CPU" challenge - Yossi Kreinin: <http://yosefk.com/blog/the-high-level-cpu-challenge.html>; Why programming isn't for everyone - Yossi Kreinin: <http://yosefk.com/blog/why-programming-isnt-for- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: jurov there's whatever, 50k at 10 under par and 200k more at 50%. how much did you sell or what exactly are you discussing here ? where's your sell bids at ?
mircea_popescu: the degree computing "science" degraded, a woman's a much better model for a computer than any sort of nonsense that sterile homosexual turing came up with !!11
ascii_shmoocon: another legendarily terrible example
mircea_popescu: and use them happily.
mircea_popescu: what of it ? i still own them.
mircea_popescu: next you're going to say love is a fantasy, and so is liberty, and then ima say knowledge is a fantasy and you'll what, agree ?
jurov: the private keys?
jurov: there are not enough bids
mircea_popescu: how's that make me the owner ?!
ascii_shmoocon: what, exactly, can't they do ?
mircea_popescu: replace the courtiers with march lords ftw.
mircea_popescu: ascii_shmoocon no, because none of them can actually do anything.
mircea_popescu: where you can get 1% of the world's wealth in a room, but if you want 10% you need a small city. etc
ascii_shmoocon: and there is already a lizard caste, may even number 15k...
mircea_popescu: instead of today's arrangement where you can fit the nominal owners of the world in a fucking room, whereas every fucktard worth ~0 out there derps about how "black lives matter" as if obviously his did,
mircea_popescu: not in the slightest.
mircea_popescu: humiliating all the "world saving" derps is into proper uranium mines is the other half.
mircea_popescu: the two go hand in hand. selling obama's daughters at public auction where gaddafi's palace used to stand is just half the story.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:06:27; mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".
mircea_popescu: currently the wealth curve is very zipf-skewed, which is a serious problem.
mircea_popescu: the 15k don't currently exist.
jurov: okay back to the proportion. why don't you pay to build the atomic dirigible, for the 15k with means?
mircea_popescu: when a butt-ugly wench that should be thankful if she ever gets laid for free imagines herself above what kim kardashian / the very peak of her profession actually make, it's indisputable the self-valuation ran amok.
mircea_popescu: a) not looking like that. b) we can't really discuss absolute numbers seriously. there's no basis. i was just illustrating proportions.
mircea_popescu: the one valuing her ugly ass at $5`000.00
mircea_popescu: "oh, i got better opportunities elsewhere" "working on fixing tyhat" "i'd rather sit on reddit than work for a fair rate NO MATTER WHAT" "i guess we put a reddit lcd on your tombstone then".
ben_vulpes: aaand that was actually indonesia, so i'm probably thinking about the wrong thing.
phf: i thought cpus were mostly built in u.s. and japan? hence the whole fukushima supply line disruption
jurov: 1. it ain't ferite core weaving 2. the gals doing that were paid very well
jurov: ascii_shmoocon: looky now who is throwing rivers of meat on the problem
mircea_popescu: but yes, the chinese gurlz prove they can, and do just fine. and so do the mill girls of 19th century, for that matter.
jurov: hahaha you think shitheads are capable of following strict technological process?
mircea_popescu: note that the average cpu/capita value of the world in general is sub .5, whereas in your house is over 10
jurov: eh mircea_popescu, go grow si monocrystals and wash the wafers in hf yourself
mircea_popescu: nonsense. between selling 8mn crapples to 15mn cows and selling 1.5mn actual computers to 15k actual people, the latter prevails.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:41; mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
mircea_popescu: and i don't give a shit how many cardanos get sold. what interests me is for them to be good.
mircea_popescu: the only difference i can see (that with selected 15k you can actually communicate, whereas the 15mn you can only herd, which is why copywriting instead of literature, pr instead of logic etc) argues against your position.
jurov: moreover if it exists, you expound that 15k of people with means are interested to pay it themselves?
jurov: i am just explaining it to you, ooks like we miss each other
mircea_popescu: i dunno why you think the world is chump-backed. it ain't. usg is, sure, but whatevs.
jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later
mircea_popescu: but they won't pay it for a car because... reasons.
jurov: so they wanted to party, not pay for technology. and this changed how?
mircea_popescu: in victorian britain people were more than willing to pay the fixed costs for parties in excess of the sustenance needed by one lancastershire neighbourhood.
jurov: why babbage machine was not doen then?
jurov: you could have had a computer in fucking victorian britain. no one wanted to pay the fixed cost for the 1st item.
jurov: no political bickering will change the fact that engineering has huge fixed costs that are best split to as many chumps as possible
mircea_popescu: this pretense whereby "everyone is equal" covers the very abrupt distribution curve where 99% owns jack shit and 1% has no fucking idea what to do with the world. needs to be flattened out.
jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
mircea_popescu: make the average derp earn 10 cents an hour, make a car 5k and all is well.
mircea_popescu: cars are fine, just, a society where income disparity is less than 100x makes a mess of them.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: phf: and in those cities the cars park for 4+ hours and the trucks doing actual work double park next to them
mircea_popescu: un-fun fact : too much oral sex is actualy damaging to the penis.
mircea_popescu: you shyould see these derps. half of the half that even bothers to signal, signals wrongly.
mircea_popescu: because obviously everyone must at the same time.
mircea_popescu: phf cars drive the first case of power laws observed in day to day life. people manage to generate traffic in 1k inhabitant townlets.
fluffypony: thestringpuller: exactly, only white Europeans are racist
mats: the numbers become more dramatic with each retelling
fluffypony: copypaste: b) applies to Monero, and has applied to Monero for the past 20 months, so there's that
mircea_popescu: any hot chicks there ?
copypaste: as mircea told you, there can only be one
assbot: The woes of Altcoin, or why there is no such thing as "cryptocurrencies" on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1fsGWG5 )
copypaste: fluffypony: http://trilema.com/2014/the-woes-of-altcoin-or-why-there-is-no-such-thing-as-cryptocurrencies/
mircea_popescu: who knew the geeks were going to take their "go to the prom with their friend dressed as a woman" to its logical conclusion.
adlai: given that you're limited by the chances of Bitcoin *failing*... "that's not saying much"
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah but this is the spawning ground of long tail events. the chances of the us ever mattering were about the same as argentina's.
fluffypony: let's be fair, though, the chances of Monero ever becoming the largest cryptocurrency is about the same as the chances of mircea_popescu secretly being a woman all along
mircea_popescu: so in the end, what any dev group thinks on the timing of forks is of interest to pretty much their biographers.
mircea_popescu: anyway. forks are utterly not at the disposition of any mortal. and there's no lesser mortal than a dev.
mircea_popescu: because there can only be one.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: they're welcome to want whatever they'd like, and we're welcome to disregard their "feelings"
adlai does think there's tangible value in a blockchain that's ready to be capitalized, even if Bitcoin never actually does fail
mircea_popescu: people keep loving this idea where they can "change" things. unless money follows you can't change jack.
mircea_popescu: the next year, four.
mircea_popescu: sure. the first year, two
adlai: fluffypony: let's say btc fails and monero by some accident becomes The Blockchain. do you think the biannual hardfork policy would remain?
fluffypony: adlai: I've also been receiving those Ethereum spam messages
adlai: at least monero doesn't have the implementation plurality braindamage
adlai notes that this alt does pass the "original codebase, distinct bugs from btc" qualification... but is not qualified to compare it to other hedges (ping fluffypony ?)
thestringpuller: ethereum scammers herp derp
adlai: all this talk of reddit made me check see whether it still existed... now i'm overrun with PM spam about some crappy method of hedging against btc failure
thestringpuller: adlai: same. but most of these people are pure-socialists, "the everyone is equal" sorta deal.
adlai: thestringpuller: this was said outside of reddit, to somebody who mods a large sub; he already respected my opinion on matters btc, and i respect his on matters of his expertise, so it went over alright
mircea_popescu: won't the humiliations ever cease!
mircea_popescu: the "bigger and better" part i meant.
thestringpuller: adlai: i've been saying the same thing to redditors, and they usually flip their shit.
mircea_popescu: because we live in the world rather than in the crystalline tower of pure thought that by rights should have been our inheritance ?
ben_vulpes: so then why are we engaged in this exercise at all? some future derp will just flip out over the bit being flipped in the opposite direction.
adlai: copypaste: fwiw, last time somebody said reddit nonsense to me i just told them "sounds like you've been spending too much time on reddit." and it turned out dude had enough sense to agree
ben_vulpes: just because i'm not complaining about the moronic voicings in real time doesn't mean i'm not getting annoyed reading the logs elsewhere.
mircea_popescu: lol take it easier mah dear activists, there's need of educators also, as that femininemagic chick pointed out :D
ben_vulpes: after all the noise in the logs from last night i certainly have no more patience for it.
copypaste: is so far out of tune with reality, there's no way to -nicely- talk him into sense
copypaste: some derp derping about how the opinions of reddit matter and how we should sway opinion this way or that
mircea_popescu: i guess there's that.
copypaste: mircea_popescu: i started to understand things better when confronted with the truth rudely, not nicely in a sugar coated way
ben_vulpes: heck, that's how the city was set up pre-interstate
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:16:09; mircea_popescu: it's complicated. for the true believer (not everyone who reads the books gives a shit, you realise, though many do) faith is a major factor, as measured in two things : uniques (on the theory that hey, god wouldn't allow the flock to scatter) and miracles (on the theory that nature is a whore, and whoever she picks is king).
ben_vulpes: no more megabuxx for fixing all the damage cars do to the entirely serviceable tarmac designed originally for bikes
mircea_popescu: copypaste dude whay the haet!
mircea_popescu: grass still grows, whether on top of oil or bare rock.
noobsRus: copypaste ben_vulpes happy to hear that (that no one cares). was hoping to confirm this. will continue to enjoy the show then. won't waste anymore of your time now
mircea_popescu: what if everyone in cascadia had to ride wherever they were going. you know, just like a century ago around there
ben_vulpes: i don't fucking /park/ them, that's for damn sure.
copypaste: nothing done there matters
mircea_popescu: noobsRus once went to the dojo and asked the master "hey, i'm new, and i was considering practicing karate, because i've seen others doing it and i feel bad about not contributing to the welfare of this discipline".
noobsRus: it's clear that on those channels the battle is uphill, every week it seems like SV/USG/whoever rolled out another 50 sockpuppets to shill/brigade/confuse
ben_vulpes: but no, reseller of pink plastic chinese crap, you do not get more parking just for the asking.
ben_vulpes: parking is for megacorps who can afford to waste the space in that way. generally supermarkets which are dying anyways.
noobsRus: thanks, fair enough. i've seen the efforts of brg44 and others in redditland and feel guilty being the indirect beneficiary of their work (via meager holdings) without contributing myself
copypaste: definitely the worst in murrika
mircea_popescu: damned hipsters and their gentrifying ways...
ben_vulpes: nevertheless this is my town, and more parking is not what i want.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes well in fairness, you don't tend to take the lady to arby's for your aniversary, so their +ev move is to push you out of town.
jurov: i did not see any quotes in the air
mircea_popescu: did you approve any quotes still up in the air jurov ?
ben_vulpes: phf: there aren't really "car people" in town. the closest thing is the various merchant groups owners all live in the suburbs and operate a variant of the quiznos/arbys/starbucks franchise, and so want 'moar parking!', because that's all they understand.
mircea_popescu: few people here do, but then again that's not necessarily dispositive.
mircea_popescu: noobsRus there's no unified value function. if you figure it's worth your time, by all means.
noobsRus: that's a relief then
copypaste: gpg is an implementation of pgp. they are not interchangeable.
noobsRus: is there any value in maintaining a true narrative across reddit/twitter/hackernews/etc.?