asciilifeform: how would it meaningfully differ from your 'computers for the 15k, mud for the 15m' scenario ?
asciilifeform: the idiot 1980s minis.
mircea_popescu: they're cockroaches. mice are extinct, because large.
mircea_popescu: mno. these are no sort of heroes.
asciilifeform: and mircea_popescu thought ~i~ was the sinner in re: ^
mircea_popescu: these guys - did.
mircea_popescu: it's the very damnable part.
asciilifeform: and came with the soft, the source, and with the important detail that you could point at ANYTHING running and get its source IN REAL TIME
mircea_popescu: and if i wanted to upgrade it i had to buy from them, right ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: well, for one thing, you could actually BUY the machine
asciilifeform: who did not sell (yes) their machines, but ~rented~ time on EACH CPU to the 'owner', along with the soft
asciilifeform: the true pioneers of 'apple store' model were... ibm
asciilifeform: go review the lit.
mircea_popescu: and the appstore makes "engineering sense"
asciilifeform: if cat-picture-watchers were not the dominant market segment
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they, along with lmi, texas instruments, racal norsk, and possibly a few others, sold dedicated lisp cpu. which made engineering sense at the time
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo iirc we wanted the red ones.
BingoBoingo: But seriously. The blue pogos were the worthless ones right, or do I gotta go back to Walmart tonight?
mircea_popescu: "The largest criticisms of Symbolics in the article are that Symbolics believed AI would take off and that Symbolics mistakenly pushed its view that proprietary hardware was the way to go for AI."
asciilifeform: i actually have the smbx source right here.
mircea_popescu goes back to the notes.
asciilifeform: whole motherfucking thing SHIPPED WITH SOURCE
mircea_popescu: the whole thing that company was - a giant apple store.
asciilifeform: (they did not make personal comp, nor ever threaten to)
asciilifeform: btw i'm not even sure it makes sense to compare the two - smbx was in an industry almost unrelated as, e.g., j. d. rockefeller's
mircea_popescu: because if the personification of justice sits there and says "only had one bullet, and ms were idiots - so i killed the dangerous morons", i can't protest.
asciilifeform: right now best we have was 'symbolics, the failure of heterogeneous engineering' (by some chick?)
asciilifeform would like to read a mircea_popescu mega-piece on the death of smbx one day
mircea_popescu: that it fucking died a sad death almost excuses the fact microsoft didn't.
mircea_popescu: a) you don';t get to say what's the criteria for you being proven wrong
asciilifeform: the ultimate 'computer for k00l d00dz'
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:36:07; jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:28:07; jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373619 << aha. not even in motherfucking ussr. where 'zil' made not only limo for brezhnev, no expense spared, but... trucks
asciilifeform: as is the cpu in engine comp.
mod6: when you get there, if you hit any snags, just let me know.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373590 << the led in that turn signal is same as in a toyota.
mod6: 1]: with version 99997 create (by hand) a ~/.wot directory and populate it with keys named as their irc-nick and .asc, like: mod6.asc or asciilifeform.asc
mod6: yeah perl 5, and that should be it. if you want it to be able to utilize the graphing utility, you need to install Graph::Easy, but that is not a requirement or prereq to it running.
asciilifeform: there was no ferrari in 1850.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:14:09; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373573 << this is lunacy. each of those machines exists because there IS a mass market for machine tools, the requisite raw materials, the skill set of the readily available assemblers, and in fact a large number of the parts per se
guruvan: no - I'm not there yet - I'm just sitting down to figure out how to use V
mod6: yup, me too -- code is done, pretty much tested thus far. but the changes to having .wot in the pwd instead of ~/ by default; i want to ensure that it works ok with trinque' makefiles before i publish.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373557 << disingenuous comparison, airplane needs no infrastructure other than 2 runways (and, if seaplane or heli, not them either)
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:06:42; BingoBoingo: cobol, the language of bzns
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373549 << snobol, the language of snobs !!11 (tm) (r) (my brother's aphorisms)
mod6: the new, yet unreleased v99996 will check the resultant hashes of the files touched by a vpatch -- to add another layer to this.
asciilifeform: or at least the radio equivalent
asciilifeform: this was, of course, ~before~ the usgization of flight
mod6: i'm not really talkinga bout the pressing. as i was saying to ben, i checked all of my pressings by final output hash & have automated tests that check & ensure this outcome is correct.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:06:50; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372972 << in this world (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372966), driving a car would be more akin to flying on a plane in the 1920s. eg. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2699/4411312464_e0e3489c45_o.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3728/11356192895_6961403e9f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2636/4131214531_e8206d265d_b.jpg
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373550 << mno, they were cardboard and in many cases cost less than the cars of the time
mod6: from those discussions, I'm under the impression that the ordering of the flow doesn't exactly have to be the exact same, as long as the pressing is the exact same.
asciilifeform: was it the lexical order thing?
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
asciilifeform: it's yours for the cost of postage.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:54:13; mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:53:27; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!"
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:32:21; pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg
assbot: Logged on 17-01-2016 00:19:47; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ?
mod6: mathematically even.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373499 >> yes it should. << yup. the topological flow might be ever so slightly different when listed, but the resulting pressed tree must be exactly the same.
mircea_popescu: ideology matters a lot more than these things. the germans wanted to be free and the french wanted to party.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:51:43; jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems
BingoBoingo: But neither would be capable of crushing as many skulls as 1950's equivalent
BingoBoingo: Example: mass market walmart brand clock radio purchased today. Beats the hell out of finicky big name 2006 clock radio. Beautiful AM reception only 22 inches from UPS transformer
mircea_popescu: heck, even in 1950 stuff was a lot more reliable than the shit that passes today.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:45:44; pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373655 << the thing here is that the age of unreliability is today, not 1700. as alf pointed out at some point - you couldn't sell ANY of your consumer junk you buy today to people living then. not your shitty shoes, not your shitty anything.
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe they manage to spawn a hot chick.
mircea_popescu: for as long as they make as much difference as rats, they can also multiply as rats.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:43:17; punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373651 << size per se is irrelevant. the point is that the 10bn can't have franchise.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, doctor came to your fucking house. like they still did when i was a child, and ironicallyt - for the exact same reason.
BingoBoingo: If there aren't jsut a handful of families in town with the relative wallets to tell the cable co FU, can't have get fiber
mircea_popescu: except if you were poor and unconnected, but in that case - YOU BELONG IN THE SEWER.
mircea_popescu: and note that there wasn't any sort of run amok "medical profession", or "legal profession", or anything else back then. doctor fucking paid house calls.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good. << Kinda why US municipalities with good internet have a maximum size.
mircea_popescu: these are light costs to bear.
mircea_popescu: so you got a 4x improvement in qualityt of life for the slaves&servants in question out of the very simple measure of halving the costs and doubling the quality ; and at the expense that julie nobody doesn't get to pretend on reddit and gates doesn't get to pretend in washpo anymore.
mircea_popescu: but the ONLY difference is that instead of cox writing 10k 50 dollar bills for cable each month, a coupla hundred people sign off on cable bills worth 10k dollars each once a year. and the internet is twice as good.
mircea_popescu: and yes this means some inept derp doesn't get to sit around and "save the world" with "his foundation". fuck gates, too.
mircea_popescu: because the 200 are stronger than the 12 ; whereas the 10k are weaker than fucking cox cable.
mircea_popescu: . now there's 200 masters, and 12 cable companies, and no fucking monopoly.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373607 << it's the same money, but in fewer hands. think of it this way : currently, there's 10`000 "family units" in town X making "the decision" to buy cable. as a result... there's two shitty companies and a de facto monopoly. transform those families into slaves and servants. they no longer get their own house, but live in the house oftheir masters, at their disposals
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373606 << ironically enough stell mill has strange anti-economies of scale. romania had one of the largest in the world, at galati. it was bought by arcelor and downsized. they also bought and downsized the krivoy rog ones.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 23:23:54; jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373604 << no. the mass market drives them to shittify their offerings.
mircea_popescu: fucking roman empire got dates across the sea in time to start a war. wtf already,
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:52:05; ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
BingoBoingo: All of the nobodies
mircea_popescu: NACK. This renders hundreds of millions of dollars worth of equipment useless. It will leave a bad taste in the miners' mouth. I also think this is an unnecessary fix to a problem that won't exist in the long term. ASIC mining hardware will sooner or later hit fundamental physical limits and become commoditized. Decentralization of mining will naturally follow."
mircea_popescu: letting bitfury & friends eat 100mn in unrecoupable engineering costs would provide exactly the correct lesson as to what it's a good idea to say and when it's a good idea to shut the fuck up and toe the line.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 22:23:44; guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 21:50:08; mod6: to get the level of detail required for that, it'd probably need to be 50' high. all the better. :D
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373344 << haha omg that'd be epic. i bet "sharpie" would even donate a 10' long pen just for the occasion. tell them "it's for art" and you're golden.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:41:15; mircea_popescu: sez so right in the merchant of venice!
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1373173 << you ever get past 40% finished on the re-write ?
punkman: well you can put them in a jail cell if you prefer, but I ain't paying for it
jurov: if civilised world ends and proves it was only an illusion, then perhaps i reconsider
pete_dushenski: and the minority of history, for that matter
pete_dushenski: it's actually the minority of the world that thinks you can "talk it through" and "share fee-fees"
pete_dushenski: jurov: nah, outside of the "civilised world", killing your enemies is pretty common.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 20:31:38; ascii_shmoocon: and holyfuq are these talks snorefest
pete_dushenski: i think the issue here might be with the conception that power is binary and that its centres must contain all or none. it isn't. there are gradations. so even if bitcoin is very, very valuable, it won't be sufficient to constitute the entirety of the world. you can't eat bits.
jurov: i'm lost in this, you foresee feudal society, then what people bestow, dunno
jurov: where is the power center?
pete_dushenski: relatively speaking, sure. within the minds of the many, many "people" who bestow it upon them. the scrillion branches of xtianity are no different in this regard. and they all have some measure of power.
jurov: you call them "centers of power"? fo srs
pete_dushenski: how many "bitcoin devs teams" are there ? a dozen ?
pete_dushenski: so while bitcoin might be more politically centralised, there's a whole lot else out there in the wild
pete_dushenski: jurov: i guess i don't see that all the world's power ~has~ to be "in" bitcoin.
jurov: and these limits went way bigger recently
jurov: by your theory vladivostok should be self governed, or by japan
pete_dushenski: still, while communication has obviously flattened the world, and geography matters not on the internet, distance still matters for supplies, food, equipment, etc
jurov: what's to stop them?
jurov: but then it's hierarchy
jurov: feudalism in the past was decentralised only because of distances and communication problems
pete_dushenski: within feudalism, of course profit is still ~a~ motive, but it's not the only (not can it really ever be)
pete_dushenski: aha. that's where the "the future isn't hyper-capitalism, it's feudalism" thread comes in.
jurov: what is hard to imagine, how to achieve this together with profit as a motive
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pete_dushenski: with the amount of fiat sloshing around, it's hard to imagine this niche-or-nothing/15k-only approach coming to dominate industries and manufacturing sectors any time soon, but the thermodynamics do point to this as a far more (whisper it) sustainable solution
pete_dushenski: jurov: i can see it. and while i agree there would be trade-offs (less reliability, more difficulty find parts perhaps), i think that the benefits would more than compensate and that product designers would adapt themselves accordingly (eg. making repairs possible without specialised equipment and using more readily available parts)
jurov: *shrug* i can understand, the world is overcrowded, it's tempting to dream of putting stupid people "to their place". whether that comes to pass, i doubt.
punkman: also http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014808 and yes I'd rather live in 10billion than 10million world
jurov: for the gasoline the difference in availability does not cause big problem. but as the tech stack up, the effect multiplies
pete_dushenski: jurov: so it's the gasoline thing again.
jurov: for example babbage did not have the elements and had to develop precision machinery himself, what contributed to his failure
jurov: because there were mass produced relays/tubes/transistors available
pete_dushenski: jurov: they were when computers filled the basements of university buildings, and there were only dozens or hundreds then. so again, why not ?
ben_vulpes: so they're a glorified waste-processing plant.
jurov: and would be the computer even feasible when only anough vacuum tubes/xsistors will be developed only for top 15k to have radio receiver?
punkman: "In 2007, Nucor recycled nearly 10 million cars in its production processes, the equivalent of one SUV every four seconds."
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Y2z3R_xAyz4/Vpm37QlC7EI/AAAAAAAAkNY/ZdErfw38yvs/s640/ra7MzGf.jpg
pete_dushenski: jurov: aha. well, manufacturers still made computers before everyone had a desktop in their home, and so too can they once "everyone" has nothing more than phablets.
pete_dushenski: you think the king henry v's crown benefitted from mass market ruby mining ?
pete_dushenski: that's the whole point. some things might be "easier" with mass market consumers in the picture, but there are costs to this ease. arguably, excessive costs. and costs that would readily be borne if the mass market went byebye
jurov: you can't have custom "special" "high performance" whole supply line from mine up to the product
jurov: well, i don't see the "trickle down" as optional
ben_vulpes: even $robofab i worked for one time had their castings done by a casting company.
jurov: but they have small volume
pete_dushenski: and if they can't, supplier finds a new one.
ben_vulpes: hard to make a small steel mill. the things tend to be huge and dominate the area or go out of business.
pete_dushenski: jurov: i don't deny that there might be engineering solutions transferred within there larger firms, but it tends to be a trickle down from the high-performance customers to the low, not the other way around
pete_dushenski: and without those mass-market suppliers, they'd still use suppliers, just ones that catered to a smaller market
jurov: they do use majority of stuff off the shelf from reliable suppliers, and these suppliers rely on stable overall volume in mass market
pete_dushenski: "all the materials" <<
pete_dushenski: ^not off the shelf, not shared with anyone.
pete_dushenski: jurov: hm still not sure i see it. a lot of the high-end firms are having custom materials made too.
pete_dushenski: but these firms can't share too too many components with others (lessers) or else their customers will be ticked off
jurov: pete_dushenski: established production lines for all the materials, metal alloys, glass, rubber, plastic composites
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: sports cars generally suck in town at the best of times. fine for pulling up to restaurant and looking sharp, but everything else sucks until you're on the wide open road
pete_dushenski: the nissans, the mazdas, the porsches, the lambos... all need perfect roads. this is exactly why all these "sports car" firms are ~tripping~ over themselves to makes SUVs (aston martin, bentley, lambo, etc. etc. vomit etc.)
ben_vulpes: i can hear the damn thing depreciating just driving around town.
pete_dushenski: i'll let you in on a sports car industry secret : they all are
ben_vulpes: this is actually my greatest lament about the corvette
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:49:05; jurov: the 15k people with means will pay for a computer or a car only if they foresee a possibility to recoup it from the chumps later
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372994 << this is readily disproven by the markets for tourbillons, cessnas, and ferraris. none of which "need" the mass market. so even if these manufacturers might sell some swag to the plebes and make a dime doing it, they arguably innovated more before they reduced themselves to part-time sheep herding..
pete_dushenski: the gasoline infrastructure that exists also has no reason to go anywhere as long as there's a market to support it
pete_dushenski: jurov: in 15k world, gasoline still has other uses
pete_dushenski: and all-terrain ? sure. ugly ? THE CXT IS BEAUTIFUL
mod6: i mean, we might never give a 'js' implementation the /blessing/ but if someone wants to work on that for themselves or whatever, cool with me.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 19:41:29; jurov: how would a tiny group of people cover the costs for mining and roads with smooth surface necessary?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372972 << in this world (http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372966), driving a car would be more akin to flying on a plane in the 1920s. eg. http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2699/4411312464_e0e3489c45_o.jpg http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3728/11356192895_6961403e9f_b.jpg http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2636/4131214531_e8206d265d_b.jpg
BingoBoingo: cobol, the language of bzns
ben_vulpes: did we do the hundred and forty line node version of kill -9 yet?
mod6: in that v_steps.pl file, you'll see the sha256 hashes are kept in a here-doc so they can be repeatedly tested.
mod6: in the package that includes the cucumber tests, you'll find a scenario with tags '@27' and '@pressFlag' called "User executes V with the press flag" -- it then will press out a tree, then do exactly what I saying above ^
mod6: basically checking the mechanics to ensure that the resulting output was the same. this gave me confidence that my toposort was functioning as it should.
mod6: you know, one thing that I did to ensure that my pressing of the tree was happening correctly was to press out a tree, then do a full `find . -xtype f -print0 | xargs -0 sha512sum > manifest` to see what the final hash of the source file was, then compare it to what we had before -- what we were patching by hand.
BingoBoingo: jurov: Luke seems to be mocking that ClassicCoin wants to take the Monero approach and add reddit voting or some shit
BingoBoingo: <mod6> for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents. << This threw me for a loop the first time.
mod6: for instance, in the flow ordering it doesn't really matter which comes first: maxint_locks_corrected or add_verifyall as long as they both come after their respective antecedents.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> makes for low snr is what is does << The classic lulz are worth watching just because the trigger might get pulled leading to the other triggers getting pulled. Peace in Our Time (TM)(R)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: "and then you'll deploy all of said home routers to ~all~ customers within 6 months"
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> what do you mean "precedence levels" << as long as this is met. meaning that certain things come before other things.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it << mine was ever so slightly varient from alfs
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372610 << now you sound like stan from the 21/comcast thread ;/ "hashing is hard and we'll never see xx% difficulty resets again. who would want go to the bother ?!"
ben_vulpes: someone might figure out that nothing's gotten any better since then
ben_vulpes: mod6: press of a given head should result in the *exact same* tree under all V's, as i understand it
mod6: it doesn't have to be the ~exact~ tree mind you, just has to have the correct precedence levels
ben_vulpes: i have to redo its press algo to recurse up the parents chain
ben_vulpes: because rEFInd does not work on the ancient mbp and the ready ways to get rEFIt onto the damned thing is to...install it from os x first.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372594 << i never said never. only that there are a lot of married women and far fewer who go for the ball gag. though i grant that "oh they all go for the ball gag" is possible, if an practically untestable hypothesis.
guruvan: I always found it needlessly difficult - from the point of view of someone keeping volumes of code running - perl's a haddle
mod6: well, theres a bunch of things that are bad.. like a lot of the cpan modules aren't maintained any more, etc. but if one stays away from the libs... *shrug*
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: can you explain the rubens == mercedes connection ? not sure i quite got that point
mod6: but separately, the current version of v.pl is v99997, and i have a v99996 ready to go, just wanna accomplish a few other tasks first before i send it to the ML.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:33:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371985 << the other consideration is that europe is chock full of bad copies of the classical masters. and they all suck, except the few that don't. such as for instance rubens, who learned to paint by doing a poor job of copying at first. or michelangelo, or anyone else. because yes, everyone that ever was a master painter learned his craft by trying h
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372541 << /me remembers fondly a local "rubens to picasso" exhibit years and years ago, mostly for the t-shirt that i bought, which raised a few curious eyebrows with the less cultured kids who'd never heard of either painter
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: it's like reading the tabloids, lulz fodder, bat boy, etc.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:31:01; mircea_popescu: dude what a badass looking truck. how the fuck could the ammo churning, tailgate partying, truck racing subculture not buy this through the roof is well beyond me. but then again... i'll take the newton defense.
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372540 << cxt is supah-bad-ass. problem is... it's $100k. there's no el cheapo entry-level spec for 1/3 price as in F-150, etc.
assbot: Logged on 16-01-2016 14:29:16; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1371972 << ah so it was tried already, didn't catch on. alrighty then!
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372538 << "the only thing new in the world is the history you don't know yet" (tm) (r)
ben_vulpes: of the suburbs of soi-disant cities in provinces nobody visits anyways
ben_vulpes: seriously, vagrants publishing pamphlets in the far flung outskirts
pete_dushenski: "Bitcoin Classic will not release anything but the 2MB hardfork patch until we have hard forked. We are focused on the hard fork." << what kind of sense is this supposed to make ? (via 'toomin' not 'j')
mod6: this way we could generate the topoligical graphs of vpatches like this:
mod6: <+guruvan> lol perl << im not so great with python, which alfs initial version was written in -- but the one thing that stuck out there for us to use was Graph::Easy
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But if Hamplanets can claim the same
pete_dushenski: "Luke is not a troll. He does think outside the box." << ya mkay
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-01-2016#1372300 << i've actually been laughing all day at the thought of BingoBoingo being triggered by exercise equipment :D
mod6: i gotta get that new version published. but im thinking that before I do so, i wanna have a few other things done too.
mod6: there's a guy actually writing a js one too lol
mod6: well, to BingoBoingo's point... Alf provided the first implementation and POC, i just took it a few steps further in mine.
mod6: the idea of V is a versioning system based upon patches that include SHA512 hashes of the file before and after the given patch is applied -- and checks the given signatures of the wot entities who have signed off on the patch.
BingoBoingo: guruvan: asciilifeform delivered the first implementation and mod6 took over maintenance.
mod6: that would be the bees knees.
guruvan: is V something y'all threw together?
mod6: ya, there is a quick-start guide, and a full run down of functionallity provided. might be worth a read through before you dig in.
assbot: [BTC-dev] (CORRECTED) Bullet in the Forehead for the BDB LocksIdiocy ... ( http://bit.ly/1JWNo0i )
BingoBoingo: guruvan: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000139.html I believe it is in the latest Test 2 bundle
guruvan: BingoBoingo: can you point me to a patch - I'll make the change
guruvan: you bet - I'll put out some more once I have the V figured out - that's just some thing that works - uses older big phusion ubuntu image underneath
guruvan: mod6: yah - I don't know anything about V - but I'll figur ethat out and get this in there
mod6: so eventually we could even have this with like V too right? or just let trinque's makefiles do the heavy lifting with V there i guess too.
BingoBoingo: guruvan: To sync past August you'll need the latest BDB patch
guruvan: https://github.com/mazaclub/docker-coin-daemons/tree/btc-therealbtc << source for the image
guruvan: https://hub.docker.com/r/mazaclub/btc-therealbitcoin-base/builds/ << latest should work - is running on my dev aws node
mod6: jurov: ya, saw that. the system is confused about which compiler to use i think.
jurov: x86_64-therealbitcoin-linux-musl-gcc: error: unrecognized command line option '-V' << this