ascii_butugychag: in other nyoooz,
ascii_butugychag: these get mapped onto keys like q and [] etc
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i dun keep a non-sane kbd around so the only way to get stuff like the gullemets or kyrilix or such is to google.
shinohai: I still like Newspapers too, so you can read NY Times without the paywall and adware nonsense.
jurov: i am currently trying emacs with evilmode and it goes in on my nerves, these layers upon layers
ascii_butugychag: am i LITERALLY THE ONLY ONE who noticed ??/
ascii_butugychag: there's one in my office, using it as a footrest sometimes
ascii_butugychag: the ball thing is supposed to keep you constantly writhing
trinque: I'm having it connect= to dulap to see if that helps the limp
mod6: imagine a room full of early 20something guys on balls, and then ole mod6 in a suit with a look of disdain.
mod6: yeah, these guys are lollies
mircea_popescu: also why the fuck do people keep spelling impostor with an e. no latin where they live ?
BingoBoingo: trinque: Are you sure deedbot- is only ~10 blocks behind? I'm not seeing any of today's deeds on the www
mod6: instead of chairs they give you the option of sitting on a ball. i thought these balls were just for bending girls over on.
mod6: how do they expect men in three-piece suits to entertain the idea of bouncing on a fucking ball all day long.
mod6: these fuckin lollipops are bouncing up and down on exercise balls.
mod6: totally. there is absolutely no reason for me to be sitting where i am right now.
mircea_popescu: way of the future, imo.
mircea_popescu: yeah, just, happened to be the lulzy.
mircea_popescu: at that price i doubt it's worth their time to even find out.
mircea_popescu: i suppose i should take a pic of the meters for your amusement. they look like they were exported from the su, cca 1930.
mircea_popescu: they couldn't care less / have nfi what anything is.
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, your local mains power company will also shit bricks if you have serious inductive loads in your house (shifts phase, interferes with their metering)
ascii_butugychag: also to keep'em from taking their bezzle and turning it into turkeys in paraguay
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: recall the thread (i am having trouble digging it up) where i explained why just about nobody in usaschwitz gets to be 100% remote ?
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mircea_popescu: in other lulz, http://trilema.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/identity-crisis-is-me.png
ben_vulpes: wb to the states, mthreat :D
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: the funny part is that technically it does not require computer. i am free to attempt the project with a pencil.
mircea_popescu: only gets one half at a time of all things. depending on context, the one or the other half.
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: boss thinks i'm a... mathematician
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> dude programmers in america are the most spoiled group in terms of bennies and tolerance of absurd work behavior and yet you insist that you must conf0rm! << for sure.
mircea_popescu: this is where we find out alf has been working as party organizer all these years.
ben_vulpes: dude programmers in america are the most spoiled group in terms of bennies and tolerance of absurd work behavior and yet you insist that you must conf0rm!
ascii_butugychag: shoot yourself in the head every morning until you wake up as a mircea_popescu ?
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: what is the alternative ?
ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: did not answer the question.
mircea_popescu: to the accountants if no one else.
mircea_popescu: the choice between whipping up ten desktops in fixed positions and having you spend a week dicking around with shittops should be obvious,
ben_vulpes: if chance, it's a poor gamble. if it's a promise, why can't they buy a box for your haus?
ben_vulpes: no but why must you have the computing device with you?
ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: there is no escape from portable.
mircea_popescu: there's this sitcom about a guy with an idle wife.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: unfortunately i don't get the reference
ascii_butugychag: wanna know the funny part ?
mircea_popescu: "Since this library is in Emacs 25, contributors must have signed the Emacs Copyright assignment." << had remanence from seq-el.
ascii_butugychag: how the fuq do you even program
ascii_butugychag: y'know, the thing that people actually use
jurov: mircea_popescu: still, then it would be the first successful ever of non-axiomatic proof of nonexistence
mircea_popescu: if he wanted to make two patches, he would have. if you wish to invalidate his call, make the two fucking patches and sign them. goes right back to the "implicit trust" machinery thing.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375595 << i think it's bad also. not merely the sports thing, but, it offends the will of the author.
mircea_popescu: jurov this is still not the same.
ascii_butugychag: with the programmer in hell.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 20:15:48; mircea_popescu: nah it'll end up like "true because there in principle can't exist a system in which you could formulate a contradiction".
mircea_popescu: you know the "break's over, head down" joke ?
ascii_butugychag: iirc somebody wrote a very spiffy generator for these.
mircea_popescu: can they be capitalized so we're as cool as NSA and early LISP ? MECHANICGIRAFFESORBET
ascii_butugychag: i was going to write an actual blog post about the flycheck thing
ascii_butugychag: and these all, at least if you use the recommended installer (no other instructions are provided), loaded from the net straight
ascii_butugychag: it wants to load from the net !!
ascii_butugychag: oh and i suppose for completeness of this thread i oughta mention one other thing
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mircea_popescu: "you don't buy a car - you merely acquire the right to transport yourself according to the tos etc".
mircea_popescu: if you feel hurt in any way to any degree by anything you read - the problem is you. fix yourself.
ascii_butugychag: https://github.com/flycheck/flycheck/blob/master/flycheck.el#L5807 << BEHOLD, all of the things that are supposed to be gcc flags, ENUMERATED
mircea_popescu: i wish to know what other definition for immaturity can be had, than a subjective expectations of others to accommodate your feelings.
ascii_butugychag: then realized that the motherfucker prolly gets away with this because.. makefiles are 'out of fashion' !
mircea_popescu: foofoos an feefees are the responsibility of the foofoo-feefeer and his alone what the fuck already.
ascii_butugychag: then realized that it is ~intrinsically~ unusable for any serious project
ascii_butugychag: and emacs was allowed to decay to the point where the tool that ACTUALLY FUCKING WORKS AND IS 100 LINES AND NEVER EVER BREAKS is now broken
mircea_popescu: "And if someone takes issue with something you said or did, resist the urge to be defensive. Just stop doing what it was they complained about and apologize. Even if you feel you were misinterpreted or unfairly accused, chances are good there was something you could have communicated better remember that its your responsibility to make your fellow Flycheck people comfortable."
mircea_popescu: Copyright (c) 2014 The Rust Project Developers
mircea_popescu: Adapted from the Rust Code of Conduct.
mircea_popescu: and they end up adding -include ?
mircea_popescu: seems there's a -std= added for instance
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Interested in doing a rant for Qntra on the "code of conduct" phenomenon and poetteringization?
ascii_butugychag: and i go to the site, and guess what i see,
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mircea_popescu: epic interview, i think the last one too, on the tv show of that guy with the camera in demo mode
mircea_popescu: the one that was going to save us through his boyish good looks and vctron smarts ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i recall the "currently only bitcoinica and blabla" expert opinions of years past. anyone old enough to remember shtylman, the genius-boy-expert with a funny hat of 2013 ?
BingoBoingo: First notable change in the wake of Silbert/Selkis Coindesk takeover: "currently only two nascent bitcoin platforms worth watching in 2016: Coinbase and 21 Inc" https://archive.is/MWlK3
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 19:22:47; danielpbarron: i would say that people seeking attunement should read the source and not the notes scribbled in the margins
ascii_butugychag: which is THE standard compile-and-markup-your-window-with-errors-and-warnings widget for emacs
BingoBoingo: It's a clear candidate for not Qntra as writing it would be for my personal development rather than reporting of Bitcoin news. Because deep intellectual failings presented by other outlets is not news in itself
ascii_butugychag: in other nyooz, HOLY SHIT is 'flycheck' (the supposed replacement, pushed everywhere one meets shithub types, for 'flymake') a piece of shit !!
BingoBoingo might have to fire up the not-Qntra blogotron this week to go over this
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: In the United States "Hegelianism" was for time a derpy populist movement among the class that would birth Clitler. These are the people who would latch on to John Dewey.
mircea_popescu: there's a delicious mockery of this, century+old. sadly, in romanian,
mircea_popescu: "fought the devils"
mircea_popescu: people love to view the field of expression as unfinite. then again, they loved to see the west the same way.
mircea_popescu: nah it'll end up like "true because there in principle can't exist a system in which you could formulate a contradiction".
mircea_popescu just realised we're actually in danger of falling into a unified theory of everything with all this, and nobody'll even understand it.
mircea_popescu: the saussure - derrirda debate prolly a good starting point.
mircea_popescu: jurov well if you're bored you can read up on literary theory. if not, your question can't really be answered.
mircea_popescu: if i were a sapper i'd have long ago moved on to relaxing by the maker's pool.
mod6: time doesn't matter anyway, only the block height matters
mircea_popescu: lol i guess this shows just how unreliable the non-blockchgain timestamp is
mircea_popescu: (indicative and dispositive are used here, ftr, as classical legal concepts. something's indicative if it contains or procures a means to evaluate the truth of a claim. something's dispositive if it is the means to resolve a claim.)
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> hm ? <+mircea_popescu> deedbot- http://dpaste.com/0AEEMJB.txt <+mod6> January the 18th 2014
mircea_popescu: (not in the sense that the post-structuralist blabla is even indicative, nor that the original structuralist view dispositive. but even in a much more restrained, conservative view, the concept carries water.)
mircea_popescu: jurov you know what they mean by textuality, intertextuality and all that jazz ?
ascii_butugychag: ^ the original
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mod6: January the 18th 2014
BingoBoingo: view of the world which make infinity and continuity to be its sessence, and that pessimistic or optimistic attitudes pertain to the mere accidental subjectivity of the moment; finally, that the identification of contradictories, so far from being the self-developing process which Hegel supposes, is really a self-consuming process, passing from the less to the more abstract, and terminating either in a laugh at the ultimate nothi
BingoBoingo: Getting high never changes: "My conclusion is that the togetherness of things in a common world, the law of sharing, of which I have said so much, may, when perceived, engender a very powerful emotion; that Hegel was so unusually susceptible to this emotion throughout his life that its gratification became his supreme end, and made him tolerably unscrupulous as to means he employed; that indifferentism is the true outcome of every
PeterL: <danielpbarron> yes, and when you say l:f:p and I look it up, me must be looking at exactly the same code << shouldn't chapter/verse be pressing:file:line ?
BingoBoingo: me has recently started rereading school he drank and pissed out of brain with fresh eye to discarding the retarded stuff.
BingoBoingo: Also distinct from the Dewey defeated by Truman
BingoBoingo: America's chance of having a philosophical tradition though died between 1910 and 1920 when James died, Dewey was lionized, and everyone treated James as fringe religious thinker and not rebuttal of the Hegelian.
mircea_popescu: ironically enough, nobody is such an enemy of black achievement as the political party using color as a lever on the public treasury.
BingoBoingo: Then there's the black American philosophers who were largely discarded by socialists and comoonity organizers.
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ben_vulpes: http://www.investmentnews.com/article/20160113/FREE/301179999/socially-conscious-investing-gets-a-boost-from-the-dol-fiduciary-rule << gotta love how the department of labor is somehow involved in fiduciary rule-setting
BingoBoingo: "Classic American Philosophy" consists of Peirce who was cotemporaneous with James and did some interesting logic stuff. James who wrote the best American rebuttal to Hegel. Dewey who ruined everyhting with socialism.
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 16:10:17; ascii_butugychag: has anyone a position on whether patches oughta be broken into atoms ?
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: for some reason i thought it was built on generic evangelical something-or-other
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> i have no idea what these are << Texts from my new cult teaching me sobriety.
ascii_butugychag: i have no idea what these are
BingoBoingo: <ascii_butugychag> but you would ideally like to have another, 'unauthoritative' guide. << Model repeated mostly successfully with other texts. i.e. relationship between the Big Book and 12&12
ascii_butugychag: and yes, the ultimate city fire code is your own, screaming, flaming half-corpse
ascii_butugychag: but you would ideally like to have another, 'unauthoritative' guide.
ascii_butugychag: the 'talmudic' view (of which my summary is by no means an expert one) is that the margin notes are like a map of a mine field
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> the closest thing to notes that i recommend are those atruechurch articles and his writing is mostly just comparing what false teachers say to what the Bible says, complete with many references << AHA, but what is this?
BingoBoingo: Mebbe this really is more of a jew project for pete_dushenski or another member of the tribe
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis.
BingoBoingo: Scripture only is useful for the already attuned, but for people seeking attunement, accessory texts offer introduction guidance, and hopefully attunement with the canon.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Never seen talmud in the flesh but pulled my chumash off shelf jsut now to make sure still here
ascii_butugychag: just the visuals
ascii_butugychag: which was really the original stone age vtron.
mircea_popescu: i am starting to think it's part of the appeal.
mircea_popescu: #b-a can always be trusted to ferrer out crushingly impossible tasks for people more or less alligned with their interests.
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BingoBoingo: ;;later tell danielpbarron Given your proclivities... perhaps you can do a draft manifesto for using language to describe relations between v-ified software and the things that surround it.
BingoBoingo: later tell danielpbarron Given your proclivities... perhaps you can do a draft manifesto for using language to describe relations between v-ified software and the things that surround it.
BingoBoingo: No reason to adapt PowerDerp language when there's already words for handling canon and accompanying accessories
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << technically the ml is a soft fork on v chain ? :D << I think of it as more a concordance for the v chain
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 you wanna write the [implementation] part and i bitch at you ? seems a better approach than the reverse. << haha, ok. i probably wont get a start on this until later tonight tho. hope that's alright.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375252 << technically the ml is a soft fork on v chain ? :D
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375237 << yes this makes sense, yes it's there fundamentally.
mircea_popescu: should any tim swanson want to show up later, it's rather trivial to !s anyway\
mircea_popescu: is random redditard even the same guy ?
BingoBoingo: Seriously. I don't get the drive to adopt solutions pushed by ventures who broke doing things like http://qntra.net/2014/12/bitcoin-bowl-recap-nc-state-wins-34-27/
mircea_popescu: what's the progress on this deeply uncontroversial technical solution ? hm ?
mircea_popescu: here's an idea : there's an enormous amount of crucial data coming from all arab speakers that muricans should sit on a fucking pike from now on. because satan and such reasons.
mircea_popescu: it hasn't happened yet! there's a pile of data about how people UNINVOLVED in bitcoin in ANY capacity want to "improve" it, preferabvly in such a manner that their continued uninvolvement is less to their own detriment.
mircea_popescu: what crucial data ? who who either holds any significant bitcoin, or runs any significant ~bitcoin~ business said ever anything about increasing block size ?
mircea_popescu: "When such an enormous amount of crucial data (on the need to raise the blocksize limit) is ignored, that is done at the peril of the project." dude what is with all the derps ffs.
ascii_butugychag: apparently! they are not kept in some specially designated zoo
ascii_butugychag: i will note that the few actual women attending were creatures straight out of mircea_popescu's okc articles
mircea_popescu: shoulda bought the kid drinks.
ascii_butugychag: and everybody l0led in their pants
ascii_butugychag: nah but some other ru kid stood up and said 'your algo was broken no fewer than 3 times, do i invest now or wait for 4th' or approx. this
ascii_butugychag: on account of that schmuck at shmoocon who was peddling a group-theoretical crypto algo, quasi-proprietary and patentalicious, that was more or less stolen verbatim from maslennikov's book...
ascii_butugychag: incidentally, i'm on a bit of a group theory kick
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag that's the bitch, innit.
mircea_popescu: >I have a long history of having a keenly skeptical eye, I have solid critical thinking skills, and I bat away wacky theories all day long. I have NEVER, in any forum, posted any comment of any type in regards to bitcoin, this is my first one- I believe in speaking humbly, thinking deeply and acting bravely.
mircea_popescu: there's a gap here.
mircea_popescu: thinking atm something along the lines of "enough set theory to be able to define an algebra"
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: there is unlikely to be anything you ~really want~ at the bottom of that pile.
mircea_popescu for the first time in lyf regrets he's not been paying much attention to the whole pile of proofola.
ascii_butugychag: and the result is virtually guaranteed to be indigestible.
mircea_popescu: one just has to correctly make the statement of their incorectness in a proper formed T.
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mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag i'm creaming my pants at the notion that footnote 2 is actually provable, mathematically.
BingoBoingo: skin in the game than you did, because if I remember correctly you never foresaw the spectacular growth of the bitcoin network, never thought it would work, and therefore did not really have that many coins yourself)."
BingoBoingo: loller "Hi Mike. ... If I was a handler for an organization that wanted to insert an asset into the bitcoin community, someone like you would be the ideal candidate. Someone that young people, new to the community, naturally respect and will listen to. Strange how you've spent so much time cultivating your standing with people like that, while your reputation plummeted among the people that understood the network (and had far more
mircea_popescu: mod6 you wanna write the [implementation] part and i bitch at you ? seems a better approach than the reverse.
mircea_popescu: ok here we go : http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/
ascii_butugychag: BingoBoingo: you are thinking of... purpose, rather than cause
BingoBoingo: Mens Rae or the inability to have it is a driving force in Consumermunism
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: The crowd whose taste in music sucks so they pirate that and lament getting caught. Different from piracy because Fuck You in that pircy because Fuck you gets moral agency.
BingoBoingo: I wrap that and the "piracy because poor" together with some other idiocies into the Consumermunism label.
BingoBoingo: And there's a big long history with that.
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: You know the sort of socialism that's primarily focused around what Walmart and the Record labels are doing
punkman: lol Falkvinge, "If there's no profit to be made in using bitcoin as a drop-in replacement for credit card payments, bitcoin will not be deployed at scale. Deployment and outcompeting legacy systems depend entirely on merchant financial gains from rollout."
ascii_butugychag: (that is, vermin who base their entire lives on strategic deception and multilevel chumpatronics)
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assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks.
mircea_popescu is pacing around the room, will bbl with something.
ascii_butugychag: and said document, at least in my attempt, was to describe some of the cockroaches that have been running around in human mind for millenia, that it tries to chlorophos.
ascii_butugychag: rather than the 'how', which is bound up in a particular implementation and probably best learned from ~reading its src~
ascii_butugychag: that is the part that 'oughta fit'
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag this is going towards "animated programs", where instead of looking at a program as a[n ultimately] bitmap you instead look at it as a gif, with layers coming on top of each other.
ascii_butugychag: the ultimate historic annals.
mircea_popescu: and the idea being, that one can read whatever fucking manual he wants, signed by whatever subset of sigs he likes.
ascii_butugychag: ah hm then manual wurks
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i'm going to do here is : write a trilema article titled The V Manual Genesis or something, which will discuss but also contain a genesis for something called v-manual
ascii_butugychag: that is sorta the whole of it.
ascii_butugychag: because they wanted american pants.
ascii_butugychag: it has plenty of each, but they are not on 'gs' civil service ladder.
mircea_popescu: why does it keep losing in the east when it could have "leveraged" it's "best army in the world" bahamas has in rthe books ?
mircea_popescu: the work that went into all this stupidity.
ascii_butugychag: i tried, on the train, and nearly barfed.
mircea_popescu: "The RFC Editor generally follows these accepted rules as defined by the Chicago Manual of Style (CMOS) [CMOS], with a few important exceptions to avoid ambiguity in complex technical prose and to handle mixtures of text and computer languages, or to preserve historical formatting rules." << kids, this is how not to code.
mircea_popescu: da fuck. am i going to call it a rfc ? if not, why not, if yes am i going to follow the "guidelines" ? which ? the most recent ? who the fuck is "Internet Architecture Board (IAB)" that i should care, nevber heard of 'em. the original ? seriously, postel ?
mircea_popescu: "The basic formatting conventions for RFCs were established in the 1970s by the original RFC Editor, Jon Postel."
mircea_popescu: i think we've seen enough of the pitfals of disconsidering progeny in satoshi's work.
mircea_popescu: but let us be considerate to the progeny.
mircea_popescu: it can also be n, if you just use the right fucking names.
mircea_popescu: the only saving grace i see here is that it doesn't HAVE to be n^2
mircea_popescu: consider this scenario : bitcoin in 2020. mod6 has meanwhile gone hunting seals on the artic circle. you live in a remote mining colony up on the fucking moon.
ascii_butugychag: of what? lead in the water ?
mircea_popescu: you can't get those people in a room together to sign a new genesis.
ascii_butugychag: rather than a randomly selected one of 100 newton-era drafts
mircea_popescu: need i remind you the lulz of x.org recently lost ?
ascii_butugychag: just like every kid who wants to doodle in the margins of newton's principia starts with ~the same~ edition thereof
mircea_popescu: for the following reason : v adoption will induce a major shift in how software is treated,
jurov: i did not say anything about comfort, either. how do you propose bundling the patch spanning several files where hunks don't make sense individually?
mircea_popescu: seems on some very rudimentary testing and evaluation that the compile would still take longer than the gathering of patches with ~1mn ish of them around
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:59:27; ascii_butugychag: after a certain point, there oughta be a new genesis.
jurov: i see it as going back to RCS , no idea otherwise
ascii_butugychag: i will leave the 'why' as an exercise. largely because this is not a pressing issue.
mod6: we could do it that way, it /may/ make things easier in the sense of V -- we've been doing it the way we are to keep the patch count low iirc.
ascii_butugychag: in that things that have no business being glued together, ARE