copypaste: But before he was doing that, he was making a distributed chan using the NNTP protocol and Tor/I2P
mircea_popescu: it's really not THAT hard to do, in the sense that all the needed parts already exist, even if not perfect.
copypaste: I have a friend who is now working for fluffypony and Monero on adding I2P to that coin (perhaps the work is already finished)
copypaste: I especially like the part about no centralized hosting
mircea_popescu: copypaste it'll take a while to implement, you'll have to pull in gpg too, and some other shit. but once done it does obsolete current chanology. i can't conceive who or how could run a chan anymore on anything else.
mircea_popescu: basically, the correct way to implement this, is to have a "universal" key and have people encrypt to whatever keys they want. if they include the universal, then it's public. if they don't, then only whoever they encrypted to can see it.
mircea_popescu: but you and the people who like it can STILL run it.
mircea_popescu: no longer need to host servers, bother with "laws" and similar bullshit. if people like your shit they'll run it.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent. <
mircea_popescu: depends which model you choose. if people encrypt their output, there's jack you can do
copypaste: Then to see posts in your Level 1 WoT, Level 2 only and so on
copypaste: I see. It could have an option then to see posts not in your WoT
mircea_popescu: ideally you replace the browser entirely, also. run as a sort of torrent.
mircea_popescu: copypaste how are they forced ? you run gpg and make a key. whatever it comes out.
mircea_popescu: either way a random cs-illiterate third party would not see anything.
copypaste: ah, I see. So like Reddit then
mircea_popescu: neither of this would be anonymous - it would be pseudonymous.
mircea_popescu: the other would be push driven - people encrypt their photos to the keys they want to see them and no others.
copypaste: I don't understand how anonymity and the WoT could intersect in a meaningful way
mircea_popescu: well, you could go two ways with it. one'd be, subscription driven, like a sort of twitter. one can see any content of people whose sigils they imported and nothing else.
mircea_popescu: honestly, chans have to be toilet paper, who the hell is going to waste the bw/hdds for it otherwise.
copypaste: So archive.is's view of /b/ is not comparable to the #b-a log, which represents everything
mircea_popescu: jurov dude, srsly. for one thing, the file is 1.5gb, the available ram 4x that. EVEN IF IT READ IT AS A SINGLE LINE it should work.
copypaste: There are many reasons. Perhaps DMCA notices, perhaps the size of the archived content is too much for the derp running it to maintain, perhaps the guy running it just doesn't want to
jurov: nice how the ethereal ideal of "text" that can't be falsified in any conceivable system meets reality
copypaste: Anywho, /b/ is archived by many third parties, but the archive sites have a maximum lifetime of 18 months. After that time, an all encompassing archive always fails.
assbot: The irc world is a big but very flat place. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/23cg5mQ )
mircea_popescu: otherwise how am i to know
copypaste: If you give me a few minutes I'll get to the commentary :)
copypaste: I'm quoting a trilema article for the purposes of commentary
mircea_popescu: "Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 19:32:59 -0400 We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of grep" fixed my foot.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck wrote grep so it NEEDS newlines ?
mircea_popescu: "anduck [10:05 PM] it certainly looks like bitcoin classic wants everything made for them, under their control, on their platforms. that's not how it works" << BUT ITS NOT FAIR!!1
adlai: in other lols, it looks like m'tooms has also picked up the dope: http://pastebin.com/raw/DPPs7qtc
mircea_popescu: really, there's little point in inviting known derps. if all the dude ever did was you know, trying to find a pretext outside to talk about himself, he really belongs on myspace or whatever, not here.
adlai: i'd invite him here but that would just be too confusing what with the diastereomerality
adlai: "there are always two"... master mike leaves the sith order for the private sector, so a new apprentice appears.
adlai notes, as a humorous aside, that someday there needs to be a rock-off between PeterL and PeterR
PeterL: there seems to be a question as to the antecedent of "this rock" as to whether it referes to Peter or the previous verse
adlai not being much of a scripture expert, seeks commentary on the commentaries...
adlai: danielpbarron, Luke-Jr, and/or any other scripture scholars... is there no good commentary in the entire internet for Mat16:18 !?
asciilifeform: and i wouldn't either, if had 'moar money'
asciilifeform: anyway none of the thermal problems are a thing on a dirigible, which comes with free airflow.
asciilifeform: other, B: 'have some money'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know i actually did the same thing ? mid 90s to mid 00s, i didn't evne own one.
mircea_popescu: pro tip : cured meats as well as grains used to be stored there.
asciilifeform: (boiling hot in the summer, mega-condensation in the winter, not hermetically sealed either)
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the basic problem is that there are no miracles, semiconductors have a temperature ceiling, the heat has to leave as quickly as it appears, or meltdown
mircea_popescu: for the record, sed 's/<[^>]*//g' takes just about 1k seconds to purge a 6gb pile of webcrud into 1.5gb of pressed juice.
asciilifeform: (the thing sounds like an airplane, literally)
asciilifeform: and have the machine far, far away.
mircea_popescu: well no, you serpentine the tube.
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me, you could just get some of that aluminum foil flexible tubing stuff, plug the case in and have the vented done in the other room.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: 'fanless' ps typically relies on there being airflow from cpu+case fans
kakobrekla: thats another problem
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i have fluid bearing fans here, can hear them just fine
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla if i recall the calculations correctly the principal harmonic should be ~285 hz if you 200rpm
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sooner or later you'll have to face the fact that the turbulence other people get isn't like the turbulence you get.
kakobrekla: at 200 rpm the only thing you can hear is bad bearings
mircea_popescu: i could faintly hear it, then i had it cleaned for my sins, now i can distinctly hear it.
mircea_popescu: i can hear the thinkpad.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla he has bat hearing, which is why he can feed himself on mosquitoes in the dark.
asciilifeform: the other thing is that peltiers are laughably inefficient, and you are then stuck trying to cool the hot end
mircea_popescu: yes but there's also thermodynamic equilibrium. you only get liquid phase condensation in some cases on the curve.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ANY FAN is audible and therefore too loud.
mircea_popescu: also, they don't have to get below fog point.
asciilifeform: afaik this was never ~commercially~ available, there was - briefly - an aluminum thing from zalman
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no we're not. the OTHER thing you can do is plug one of the ends of those heat inverter units into it. whatever the fuck they call them.
asciilifeform: at any rate, the actual 'non-poorfag' thing... exists. it is a copper hedgehog, looks a little like a substation transformer, with MACHINED cavity to mount the mb, cpu, hdd in. 100% convection.
asciilifeform pictures squad of servants, noses pinched with clothespins, emptying mircea_popescu's box for daily olive change
mircea_popescu: The dielectric loss was low (<0.01), except for virgin olive oil with a value of 0.05.
gribble: DIELECTRIC CONSTANT AND INDUCED DIPOLE ... - ResearchGate: <https://www.researchgate.net/file.PostFileLoader.html?id=5614bca56225ff66298b458d&assetKey=AS%3A281807657422848%401444199589259>; Chemical Characteristics | The Olive Oil Source: <http://www.oliveoilsource.com/page/chemical-characteristics>; Chemical composition of olive oil - Clackline Valley Olives: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: the other thing that you will find, if you do this, is that... the parasitic capacitance nails you.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: caulk does not thermoconduct well.
asciilifeform: and in what liquid are we to drown the spinning hdds ?
asciilifeform: something like 400 of them on my mb alone
asciilifeform: go, caulk the 2mm ones, aha.
mircea_popescu: superglue all the things.
mircea_popescu: you caulk them.
asciilifeform: anyway submerging is nontrivial (electrolytic caps soak up your coolant and bloat, then burst) and you can also forget about repairs or upgrade
shinohai: I wonder if I could sell olive-oil cooled computers. Market the oil as being trampled at precise temperatures under the feet of certifiable virgins. Increases the cooling properties.
mircea_popescu: lmao when we started, computers plugged into the tv. and after 20 years spent spinning in the desert, as we age computers plug into the... tv.
jurov: punkman: i have inherited a working table from grandpa that allows me to have the monitor 1m away
asciilifeform: (iirc this is in the logz) i DID experiment with water, for years
asciilifeform: fucking hate the noise.
mircea_popescu: the last time i had a fanless gpu most of the girls i know today were still virgins omaigerd.
asciilifeform: jurov: ever see the '5k' panels ?
mircea_popescu: hey, some people edit pr0nz for a living. they have to do it on mobile workstation as well as at home and that sixth-inch clitoral hood HASTOLOOKGOOD!!11
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i like the arrangement, ostensibly every window in the backroom opens into a small cell populated by one nude houri ?
punkman: I don't think I can tell 6bit/crappy-PWM monitors apart from the better ones
asciilifeform: the 'poor' eizos still beat the living shit out of everything you see in a konsooomer electronics shop
mircea_popescu: http://www.contravex.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/P1180684-1024x768.jpg << check it out, he propped them up on bricks of canadian money.
asciilifeform: hey if they work for him...
mircea_popescu: "Why four $800 monitors ? Mostly because Im not a poorfag" << - >> <asciilifeform> ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? << lol i'm sure he'll be thrilled to hear.
punkman: I'd rather buy 10 LGs for that price
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376472 << it's a so-so panel, you're paying for the form factor (iirc the squares are used in airport control)
mircea_popescu: last i visited die berliner Huren there were 3 plugs per 2 seat isle
asciilifeform: punkman: it is absolutely SOP. normally the extra bits are only available for the gamma corrector, as the link to the panel is strictly 8 per channel
punkman: I also saw a monitor advertised as 10bit, and then noticed "actually only 8bit" in the small print. not sure if this was in the logs, but quite outrageous.
shinohai: I was sure I would be synced this morning but these last 1k blocks are slooooow.
punkman: asciilifeform: does eizo do the 6bit thing?
mircea_popescu: punkman or you could go all out on murderous rage, place the box in the luggage space overhead, and dangle a monitor from there by mr bean's sock.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell pete_dushenski you ~do~ realize you bought the 'poorfag' non-'colouredge' or 'radiforce' eizos, right ? the 120dpi 2008-era-panel-but-made-2016-cheapo-6bit-dac ones ?
mircea_popescu: lol israel sounds so much like a sort of romania, trying to emulate all the refinement and civilalalili of turkey from the other end...
mircea_popescu: cazalla> no, i tried maybe 6 months back but came up short << lotta changed since then. for one thing, it now works.
mircea_popescu: * BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses << http://40.media.tumblr.com/5751439f7ed33505f6853ae43c319816/tumblr_n8q9vlx4Df1rx1nxro1_1280.jpg
punkman: http://www.evilsocket.net/2016/01/18/autopwn-every-android-device-on-your-network-using-bettercap-the-and-addjavascriptinterface-vulnerability/
jurov: what one ends up trying to not eat the equity...
punkman: oh man, some asshole run the stop sign outside my house again, hit delivery guy with motorcycle
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 15:15:10; mod6: Attention TRB Testers: If you want to help test, please take the time to build trb via trinque's makefiles here; http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2016-January/000190.html (Should be basically getting & verifing the tar ball; plus setting up a ~/.wot dir with keys for V to use) -- then a `make` in the directory. Please report your findings. Thanks.
adlai: trinque has put together a makefile which streamlines part of the process, you may want to try again
cazalla: it's still a good idea for newcomers, but having done my year of reading, there are some topics on which i already know what the general opinion of it will be from here, and i guess that is the benefit of having done the reading for such a length of time
cazalla: well, i still skim the logs and follow some of the conversation, but it's nice to have a break from following every line
adlai: cazalla: how's life without the IRC-IV?
cazalla: ah, thanks BingoBoingo! just came to say happy martin luther kang day! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_8MOwGcJ2A
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 21:08:37; ascii_butugychag: ben_vulpes: there is no escape from portable.
BingoBoingo: Undoubtably to be unveiled on Contravex with a post title "Meet the Wet Nurses Volume 1: Elin and Gisele"
BingoBoingo though waits for pete's piece on the glory of wetnurses
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it. << Well, now it does.
BingoBoingo: <thestringpuller> ... << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium" << Many, many more of these
pete_dushenski: he also doesn't have infant crying next to computer. alas... the comparison really breaks down quickly, doesn't it.
pete_dushenski: both of which, yes, were started days ago. mp just parallel processes better, making it ~look~ like he's quicker to the punch.
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2016/01/19/eizo-ev2455-bk-unboxing/ << as hard to believe as this may be, this was in the works ~before~ mircea_popescu published his computer pics post today. i swear, you guys. you gotta believe me. I'M NOT MINI-MP OMGAWD.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: they have super secure bitcoin wallets that never get hacked!1111 moar sakure than mpex!!!!!111
thestringpuller: they do sakurity
mircea_popescu: in other news i emailed the falkvinge dood an interview invite. curious if he gets it together eventually.
pete_dushenski: wasn't he involved with the vessenes phoundation too ? or am i mixing him up with another beige derp
assbot: First! Largest! Bestest! Ever! …In The US | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1RQt0r3 )
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: same ben davenport as http://www.contravex.com/2014/05/14/first-largest-bestest-ever-in-the-us/
thestringpuller: https://medium.com/@bendavenport/the-bitcoin-block-size-listen-to-the-market-de9ef6607da5#.6l3uh82x8 << d00ds stealing ideas from assets and republishing on medium. "herp derp I'm so smart. I read the logs and am going to post on medium"
phf: jurov: i've been playing with the gossipd PoC, and it's entirely possible to get a gnupg packet from the wire, defensively, byte at a time, and know at any point how much more you need to get.
mircea_popescu: holy shit they leak a lot of info
phf: i know ascii doesn't like the code, but it's a lot more competent than openssh
phf: jurov: [...] now i'm curious what gpg does here << gnugp avoids the first two issues, data exchange happens through own custom buffer mechanism (fixed size and wiped at earliest possible point after each use, with afaik necessary bits to prevent caching to disk, etc.) and openpgp "packets" come with 3 byte headers, that describe the type and the size of the payload.
pete_dushenski: in other public health news, http://gothamist.com/2016/01/16/finally_someone_built_a_public_boot.php?utm_source=Gothamist+Daily
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/KTVU/status/689236139681562629/photo/1 << presumably this is where you just run the nignogs over with your fucking car ? or am i missing something here. if "black health mattered" maybe they shouldn't be adding to the bay area congestions and smog.
thestringpuller: i may learn emacs one day just haven't had the motivation.
phf: thestringpuller: i've used vim from about 98 to 2002 and have no problems with it, but the whole vi vs emacs thing is silly. vi is a text editor, emacs is a lisp machine. there are some substitutes hemlock, mit scheme's edwin, climacs, but nothing with this much live ecosystem.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller can't really program in it.
mircea_popescu: basically, "let's get all the people who aren;'t involved in X and this bothers them in a room together and see if we can fuck up x" is the standard for "us cultyure" anyway
phf: shitgnomes held an emacs conference, complete with code of conduct https://emacsconf.github.io/emacsconf2015/ , names on that page of projects and people are the usual suspects. organizers are sacha chua and john wiegley, who is the current emacs maintainer.
ben_vulpes: but that's just because elisp completely lacks namespacing facilities, phf, there couldn't possibly be any sour-grapes malice at work!
phf: there "was", there was a standard package (require 'cl) that various parties were trying to kill. stefan monnier spent his emacs maintainer tenure deprecating, and i think succeeded. now you're supposed to use cl-lib, to the point that elisp goes out of the way to not highlight various cl forms
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 19:57:05; mod6: January the 18th 2014
ben_vulpes: wasn't there some cl-in-elisp thinger?
phf: asciilifeform: you know they produced a whole series of those, f.el, dash.el, s.el. "modern"!
ben_vulpes: imagine the lifestyle that makes life with flycheck less miserable than life /without/ flycheck
assbot: Logged on 18-01-2016 20:38:45; mircea_popescu: "you don't buy a car - you merely acquire the right to transport yourself according to the tos etc".
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375776 << as previously discussed, the electric car is quite transparently this and almost entirely this. wanna travel more than 50mi ? o really ? and who are you visiting ? and what for ? and what time are they expecting you ? and do you have contact info for them ? etc.
trinque: maybe that's her place set to the right
mircea_popescu: i almost always use the girls room.
mircea_popescu: really put a damp on the spread for many years.
asciilifeform: interestingly the last few towers i slaved in had a peculiar tradition, male toilet would have a normal door, female - locked
mircea_popescu used to force the derps working in the few ro ones to come the fuck out to meet him, as he wasn't going into that shit.
trinque: could wedge the magnetic doors open
asciilifeform: has the flavour of faux luxury that tends to go with it, too
asciilifeform: it is legal with the magic lock that only opens from inside.
asciilifeform: 'open it.' 'sir, this is a SEEEK0000R3 building!111' 'i work here.' 'you need a key!111' 'i can call the boss, want to make a new friend ?' ~grunt turns magic key in the lift~
asciilifeform: had to talk the guard into opening it
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 02:06:58; ben_vulpes: (hey, it's a bank holiday. half the staph even bothered to show up, and those left as soon as they fixed the fucked up builds they shipped on friday, leaving me and $bzprtnr alone with the tequila and org chart)
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1376256 << so i discovered that the lift this morning only goes to nth floor and no higher ($firm is on n+1th)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: He wasn't in the position to smash all of the cockroaches surrounding himself
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: they now control marijuana in this derpy little province too
ben_vulpes: (hey, it's a bank holiday. half the staph even bothered to show up, and those left as soon as they fixed the fucked up builds they shipped on friday, leaving me and $bzprtnr alone with the tequila and org chart)
ben_vulpes: gosh mircea_popescu you just don't understand how the world works do you
mircea_popescu: don't you need license to sell alcohol / tit to the general public no mo ?
ben_vulpes: starbucks is searching for profit the only way it can be had in america, by going upmarket
asciilifeform cannot think of 'buttle' without thinking of the film 'brazil'
mircea_popescu: "In other words, although the flood of ontologic emotion was Hegelian through and through, the ground for it was nothing but the world-old principle that things are the same only so far and not farther that they are the same, or partake of a common nature"
ben_vulpes: babe at the counter offered to cash the remaining two dollars out, triggering all sorts of my exclamations
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: take it to the shooting field and shoot it.
mircea_popescu: this was made of the worst zamac.
asciilifeform: i'm pretty sure i have the last steel pc chassis here (not counting rackmounts, i do not like them in residential quarters because of the fans)
mircea_popescu kinda liked the old volgas.
mircea_popescu: and note that i only bought the case
asciilifeform: (... have you ~looked~ inside the ps!)
mircea_popescu: i did not investigate the matter closely. it's not even impossible.
mircea_popescu: they're not stupidly creative enough.
asciilifeform: (the cases of which were solid steel, with tempest mesh - copper, gilded fingers! on all contact interfaces, pure golden toilet)
mircea_popescu: these schmucks.
asciilifeform: with the possible exception of my pa-risc and sgi boxen
asciilifeform: i don't think i have ever seen one that was not chinese to the hilt
mircea_popescu: you keep to the fucking standard. buncha inept farmhands.
asciilifeform: they weigh what, 50 gram, and don't vibrate
asciilifeform: the current situation is pretty much 'fish in a barrel' for usgtronics
asciilifeform: pretty much all of the nodes under a torrential shitflood.
asciilifeform: they don't have those in un-minimo-respoto-babwe ?
asciilifeform finally home. and apparently the vomitron really worx, i was able to group theory on the train even
mod6: whats awesome to me, is that all of this tooling is finally starting to really come together.
shinohai: I'm loving the new patches
mircea_popescu: with the latest patches and all.
mircea_popescu: http://intellyx.com/ << for lulz. "Bring Jason Bloomberg into your organization to speak to large audiences or small. He'll help you navigate the turbulent waters of digital transformation."
mircea_popescu: "Hearns concerns for Bitcoins prospects are both technical and political." and they can be summarized thusly "things that don't inflate can't exist because they'd make my masters look bad"
deedbot-: [Trilema] The world's most contortedly idiotic computer case, in pictures. - http://trilema.com/2016/the-worlds-most-contortedly-idiotic-computer-case-in-pictures/
mod6: the high was 0 today. damn heater broke in veehicle
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: cheers on the latest two articles. just when i was starting to think that the death of trilema credits had made you lazy... bam !
mircea_popescu: you can not begin to comprehend this without pictures. the fucking power vent was actually UNDER the case.
mircea_popescu: so i just butchered the world's most idiotic computer case
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=18-01-2016#1375896 << damn. can they deadlift 1.x bodyweight too ?
assbot: The actual state of the Bitcoin network on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1OC0KC7 )
pete_dushenski: tough day on the ol' relay network.
pete_dushenski: so after dying overnight (logs if anyone cares: http://dpaste.com/2NNQG6Y.txt), tevye was treated to his first proper blackholing today (logs if anyone cares: http://dpaste.com/0ENVMK9.txt). a steady 20-40 blocks behind for the past 7 hours or so until i finally said fuck it and re-started. he's now happily chomping away and should be back up to full height shortly.
mircea_popescu: amusingly the best american poetry is by a canadian dude.
mircea_popescu: and the night comes on
mircea_popescu: came out of the water
ascii_butugychag: sorta lulzy, how if i didn't have a decade-old turd sitting in ~/emacs/site-lisp, i would never have gone off the reservation and learned about the flycheck crud
mircea_popescu: good cuz otherwise what if it was a recessiv e gene!
mircea_popescu: let's hope they're mostly womenz.
ascii_butugychag: rather than a decade-old .el.
ascii_butugychag: 'flymake' (not flycheck!!11) ~will~ work if you use the copy that came with emacs 24.