ben_vulpes: https://mentalfloss.atavist.com/secrets-of-the-mit-poker-course << intriqued to hear what the poker afficionados have to say
asciilifeform: yes, it is now able to crack under thermal stress
asciilifeform: (the brand 'pyrex' now refers to NON-BOROSILICATE!!11111 glass!11)
asciilifeform: incidentally i'd actually rather have a plastic flask than one of faux pyrex
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 03:32:27; ben_vulpes: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378169 << i think we have this on the grounds ! but it was of glass
asciilifeform: nah, the part where we get to die while eating (or not getting quite enough of) gloop.
asciilifeform: 'Why we need Huel? We are in the middle of a food crisis. Modern food production methods are inefficient, inhumane, and unsustainable. The world produces 1.5 times enough food to feed every person on the planet, yet over 800 million people do not have enough food to eat. .... On top of that Britons are getting fatter and more unhealthy ...'
asciilifeform: ^ 'eat recycled food! it's good for the environment, and ok for you!' (tm) (r) ('judge dredd')
ben_vulpes: https://prima-coffee.com/equipment/abid/clever << were it not plastic the thing would be completely unbeatable
ben_vulpes bought a new clever and a new kettle for the new staffers today to parallelize the coffee production
ben_vulpes: and no you cannot roast them in your kitchen because you can't get the good shit because you don't buy by the teu
ben_vulpes: there is no artisanal anything, there are just a bunch of hipsters competing to roast beans well
asciilifeform: the rest are 'artisanal' kettles of various shapes and types, much glass, many small parts
asciilifeform: one of which is a frightening industrial thing that takes 'ammo' and is plumbed straight into the standpipe
asciilifeform: at $firm they have something like 7 ~different~ devices for making coffee.
phf: as opposed to "artisanal" and "bespoken" as they differentiate things in portland
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the 'not' is only available in one's own kitchen
mircea_popescu: ahahaha THE SITUATION HAS EVOLVED.
mircea_popescu: "The situation has evolved. XT unfortunately didn't get the momentum that it should have had thanks to endless FUD/threats/censorship/ddosing etc"
ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, people updated the coffee wheel: http://images.food52.com/qBXzPyzi3HfbetOfl2hlyAD27xg=/fit-in/800x0/89ba51e4-860b-4d4e-b692-e19b15e224d4--SCAA_FlavorWheel.01.18.15.jpg
asciilifeform: the latter - typically ~works~
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: your choices are to either diddle screen rez or 'zoom' on browser, non?
asciilifeform: and here i thought they actually had 100% relative coordinates ?
mod6: its on the list, probably will when this latest thing is done.
asciilifeform: mod6: consider refreshing http://thebitcoin.foundation/misc/vpatch-nodes.html plox
ben_vulpes: there's something about working nearly alone as a sniper versus together with some people you don't really hate all that much as fuel convoy unit
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:42; pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi
mod6: ok all: http://thebitcoin.foundation website has been updated a bit.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 18:38:30; ascii_butugychag: and increasing res should do nothing but to make the curves smoother.
ben_vulpes: pets consume a fixed fraction of income, may as well minimize integral of fraction over the next decade or so.
asciilifeform: why not invite 14 bums to live in your closets then.
ben_vulpes lives in box with other people 2m away, even
ben_vulpes: i guess i can skip the fanthread
thestringpuller: ah, the threshold for idling.
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: under contemplation here and now is a very basic scheduler.
asciilifeform: but going back up the stack, i want to highlight how retarded the whole seed pool thing is
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: we don't currently have anything like a scheduler
thestringpuller: -connect/-addnode should make those peers the priority first and drop other nodes second
thestringpuller: is there no manual approach for this process yet? i.e. people sign/deed node ip address. you use -connect flag
asciilifeform: what was the mircea_popescu piece, 'carnita, lu' fetita, si osoiul, lu' baboiul'
asciilifeform: gotta quantize the processing.
mircea_popescu: think of how the mempool flows
asciilifeform: i've held off attempting to do anything about this because 'usg can diddle packets arbitrarily, we need gossipd' but there is no particular logic to this.
mircea_popescu: among themselves i mean.
asciilifeform: they rank STRICTLY below hand-picked peers.
mircea_popescu: how do you know how to value "others"
mircea_popescu: tho it's tangled with the whole mempool priority thing
asciilifeform: the second mode is what all of my trb boxen are set to, and it results in a comedy where the thing routinely drops friends on the floor and dallies about attempting to connect to randomly-selected derp ips
asciilifeform: the first mode can be disregarded as it does not result in a public node. it is useful for running hotwallets on your own lan, for running mircea_popescu-style 'dark' nodes over ad hoc vpn with kim jong il, etc.
asciilifeform: and never otherwise.
asciilifeform: AND OPTIONALLY - as resources are available - folks who knock on the door.
asciilifeform: the ~correct~ behaviour for a node is to service a hand-picked set of trusted peers
asciilifeform: and is responsible for many of the present woes.
asciilifeform: it is entirely, thoroughly The Wrong Thing
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << i must point out that the whole 'seeding' concept - as contemplated in the dark ages pre-trb client - is profoundly braindamaged.
mircea_popescu: you can also read it online. there's a link off ofundation website
linton_s_dawson: mircea_popescu Thanks, I'll sign up for the mailing list as well.
punkman: I'll post a python POC to the ml perhaps, could just run it before you start the node and it gives you a bunch of IPs to -addnode or -connect to
mircea_popescu: the irc bit.
mircea_popescu: linton_s_dawson http://trilema.com/2016/the-v-manual-genesis/ << there's an attempt at a manual. you could also search for vtron and v-tron, alf tens to use it a lot. the mailing list is also a good source.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377917 << not a bad incremental improvement but i suspect that whole stack is so thoroughly hated it will get thrown out rather than improved.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:36:09; buZz: i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i ask cause the thread is disjointed. as you once said before !s doesn't show the entire picture
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, other rare film aficionados ^
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: if it is from the original v tarball, that key has an expired selfsig.
asciilifeform: cazalla: where did you get the key ?
cazalla: added asciilifeform pub key to my .wot and the keyring on this comp, but http://dpaste.com/1D702ZQ.txt
asciilifeform: where herd, there turd.
asciilifeform: and also they concern acpi, which can be safely ditched if running a sane os
asciilifeform: but came with the src.
asciilifeform: punkman: the g-series coreboot i have here has 'blobs' per the strictest definition, they are - iirc - modify but don't redistribute - licensed by amd
asciilifeform: fwiw the pcengines boards and the 'gizmo' series don't even ship with proprietary bios at all
asciilifeform: these also appeared in some low-end notebooks
asciilifeform: gotta love how the coreboot folks pretend that they are somehow still relevant by way of supporting a handful of unobtainable chips
asciilifeform: according to the libreboot link, amd has fully caught up with intel in re: usgtronics.
asciilifeform: possibly other 'low-end' amd
gernika: asciilifeform: does the term "human compiler" reference lisp specifically, in that with lisp you can write code that writes code, thus if you're not using lisp, you're writing code that could have been written by a computer, and are thus "compiling?"
mod6: <+danielpbarron> ;;later tell mod6 all these big mpoe trades scared away your twatterbot << thanks for the heads up
asciilifeform: (their 'coreboot' aka linuxbios is distributed with binary turds, BUT the source for them is also included, you just need to set up their weird toolchain)
asciilifeform: the thing is a mega-rarity, 'collectible' perhaps at this point, if you come across one, leave it in the crate, sell for $$$$
asciilifeform: as for rms, his lemote was stolen, in buenos aires, and - afaik - he was never able to purchase another.
asciilifeform: also it switched to using licensed chip masks from the west, a few years back
punkman: asciilifeform: the *right* folks
BingoBoingo: But "Netflix and chill" is the new "come in for coffee"
asciilifeform: (not that it was remotely conceivable that they would have listened, aha)
BingoBoingo: Oh, in reddit land Raping the Fugees is fine, but hating on Hamplanets isn't https://www.reddit.com/r/rapefugees
assbot: NAAFA fat activist dies at the age of 55 - NotYourGoodFatty.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1ZzO2sI )
BingoBoingo: "They have opted to open a GoFundMe to help fatties get scooters like the one Elizabeth loved so much." >> http://notyourgoodfatty.com/naafa-fat-activist-dies-at-the-age-of-55/
BingoBoingo: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/41ge93/bitcoin_classic_is_possibly_a_takeover_attempt_by/cz2c58a >> "Thirdly, the guy is massively obese. Now, as the sophisticated redditor you presume yourself to be, you may claim that I'm using ad-hominem attacks and will now sit back as if you were a learned professor of Latin, but please consider that anyone as grossly obese as Marshall Long is lacking in self-discipline and self-con
thestringpuller: linton_s_dawson: the mailing list
linton_s_dawson: I'm looking to research the "v" thing you've bee talking about but searching for the letter "v" in the logs is obviously not working that well. Can anyone point me in the right direction?
gernika: thestringpuller: I can't fathom slack. There are already a ton of manager friendly centralized IRC services out there.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:36:33; pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-39249 << latest h8er lulz.
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377901 <<< Ethereum supporters are just plain insufferable.
thestringpuller: slack is so shitty. the logging is completely ineffective. oh and they want you to pay for extra logs? i can't even...
assbot: A Guide To Buying 5000 Ether/Bitcoin, 2.5x More Than Ethereum’s Genesis Sale Offers | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1lsTnER )
pete_dushenski: http://www.contravex.com/2014/07/23/a-guide-to-buying-5000-ether-bitcoin-2-5x-more-than-ethereums-genesis-sale/#comment-39249 << latest h8er lulz.
buZz: i like how bitcoin has all these clusters of people, with all very different societal structures and narratives
buZz: but its about authentication right, so even with signature i could proof i am me for i have this address
mircea_popescu: otherwise idling is free.
buZz: i can use another channel to idle in, do you mind?
cazalla: copypaste, i'm probably using the wrong word (smooth scrolling) to say what i mean
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron here's a lulzy bit : all these schmucks worried about "scaling bitcoin" could, for the price of a gpg key, make themselves an eulora account. trade bitcoin with everyone instantly for free!
cazalla: copypaste, how so? i see the tearing on anything less than 120hz, still can see it on 120hz but isn't as noticable
mircea_popescu: arguing with some idiot that said "bitcoin is a ponzi scheme" is a waste of time. the relevant point is that Bitcoin is less of a ponzi scheme than the us dollar is.
mircea_popescu: (in the other view : all currency is always and necessarily a ponzi scheme. and "fraudulent" in a sense.)
SamPatt: Unless he's proposing that all Bitcoin transactions are only being done to perpetuate further fraud then it's not a ponzi. Since I use Bitcoin for transactions that are for other purposes, it's clearly not ponzi
mircea_popescu: you know the excellent "Color of bits" essay ?
SamPatt: Only transactions relating to the scheme, correct? Perhaps I'm not familiar with the original scheme itself, but as Ponzi scheme is regularly defined today it's just taking in new money to give returns to older players. There's no transactions occurring except to continue this fraud.
mircea_popescu: SamPatt transactions also happened with the original ponzi.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you have more patience than i do, the nth bhagwan chowdhry is really no different from the n-1th
SamPatt: Ponzi schemes are just fraud, there's nothing of value being done. What I'm trying to get across is that with Bitcoin something of value is actually happening (transactions).
mircea_popescu: SamPatt "Bitcoin isnt a ponzi scheme by any stretch of the imagination. Ponzi schemes are fraud; there is no real investment taking place. Bitcoin is a real thing, used around the world constantly." << this makes no sense.
SamPatt: I didn't want to make it a "Is Hearn a core dev or not?" blog post, but just gave him the point on that. I do later say it's a non-event, because in the grand scheme I agree it wasn't important.
mircea_popescu: "It is true that a prominent member of the Bitcoin community quit, leading to a 10% drop in Bitcoin price. " << quite untrue. why not propose that random derp nobody took seriously quitting lead to the turmoil on chinese stock market ?
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 23:08:41; thestringpuller: IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!?
mircea_popescu: check it out, another one!
mircea_popescu: ersity;[3] and the author of the 2014 book Innovating Women: The Changing Face of Technology.[4][5]"
mircea_popescu: "Vivek Wadhwa is an American technology entrepreneur and academic.[2] He is a fellow at the Rock Center for Corporate Governance (a joint initiative of Stanford Law School and Stanford Graduate School of Business); A Distinguished Fellow of Policy & Research at Singularity University; the Director of Research at the Center for Entrepreneurship and Research Commercialization at the Pratt School of Engineering, Duke Univ
thestringpuller: to take over the world
SamPatt: What's the goal of this channel?
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: i think ben uses it but i have nfi
thestringpuller: IRC wasn't good enough so they rebranded it with CSS and flashy stuff for the ADHD children?!?!?
SamPatt: Well I've gone a bit down the rabbit hole myself after being involved more in Bitcoin and OpenBazaar
mircea_popescu: SamPatt ah you the guy with a blog and a proper pgp key on it ?
SamPatt: Thanks for the invite
pete_dushenski: SamPatt: thanks for accepting the invitation :)
ascii_butugychag: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377762 << it is how i see the role of the inventor. sex ad libitum goes with horde of offsprint, ~until doesn't~; being 50 goes with no longer able to read, until it doesn't; night goes with can't-make-the-slaves-work, until doesn't; etc
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 21:55:12; ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
assbot: Logged on 19-01-2016 21:52:02; BingoBoingo: What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377629 << i am now growing lovage. by all signs, thisis the first time the deliciouys weed made it to argentina.
mircea_popescu has spent his time teaching womenz to cook salmon right, and french fries, and also crimp cables and so on. for this /me gets to sit here and enjoy the view.
mircea_popescu: mats i added one the wrong way!
pete_dushenski: mats: it's in the logs
mircea_popescu: what is this inept bs! "to show our appreciation for other people, you can now buy our shit!"
mircea_popescu: " To show our appreciation, Bitcoin Classic is announcing the Adopt-A-Developer program. The community can sponsor their favorite Bitcoin developers at our website. "
pete_dushenski: is it just me or is the new trilema header just a big black hole ?
mats: http://deedbot.org/deed-393913-1.txt << says 'January the 18th 2014,\nBitcoin blockchain # 393903'
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller it's in the comment section of the linked article. adlai linked the dpaste iirc here.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: "the toomim clown received some bad news, with which he coped in the usual manner : by having a rather amusing public meltdown under the influence." << what are you referencing here? Can't seem to find reference in logs
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> mircea_popescu> what american goes shrooming ? << high-seekers and they call it "hunting" i think << But also people who want to eat delicious morels
mircea_popescu: then head goes "no mp, that's a different unusable contondent item\"
mircea_popescu: every time i see that i think "wh othe fuck would use gw-basic"
pete_dushenski: "I’m a husband and father of three living in Virginia. I’m an author and tech enthusiast. Most of my passion is dedicated to Bitcoin and other emerging technologies that have the potential to dramatically improve people’s lives." << website lists pgp key too. self-hosted an everythin
mircea_popescu: who's the guy ?
pete_dushenski: http://samuelrpatterson.com/line-by-line-response-to-wapo-r-i-p-bitcoin-article/ << like a redditardo version of latest trilema. lulzy to compare the two.
mircea_popescu: old women where the fall colors are pretty do.
ascii_butugychag: but i can't think of any reason why anyone should give a fuck re: the difference presently, so count me as sold
ascii_butugychag: seems like nobody grasped the actual point i was trying to make - where the provenance is a means to an end (clean tomato) rather than the end
jurov: ascii_butugychag: do you approach this way the software you're going to use too? just check for known adulterants?
mircea_popescu: (the tools aren't disinfected to that standard)
mircea_popescu: they recently discovered that it's quite likely alzheimer's is a prion based infectious disease,
mircea_popescu: not specific, is the problem.
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag even if grown exactly the same in every way, which is what ceteris paribus means
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: fortunately the question is never about the set of ~all possible~ things
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=19-01-2016#1377599 << this is rank nonsense. "list all the things that aren't in this box"
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: but it is because of the cockroaches in her head
ascii_butugychag: aha the 'don't do it when actually horny' method
thestringpuller: "Like your father, you lack the courage to do all that is necessary. If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them, and stab them in the heart." << srsly Nolan had some good writing in that movie.
ascii_butugychag: the whole point of engineering is to cut apart the happenstance-linked crud from what you actually want.
pete_dushenski: save-on-foods by my place is like the fucking kadewe in berlin
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: try to understand the perspective of inventor. for x,xxx years churchmen prattled on about sex and reproduciton 'cannot cut apart'. and now they can go get stuffed.
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: yoga pants chicks are in both kinds of stores here, but i guess our "normal" grocery stores in alberta are fucking deeeelux in 99.999% of the world. the hippie stores here aren't so bad but their staffs are beyond useless and the sanitation is definitely sub-par.
jurov: now go try to ennumerate all of them
ascii_butugychag: that you cannot buy a ready instrument for this at the local hardware shop, is a political phenomenon
ascii_butugychag: jurov: detecting some of the more common adulterants is not hard at all
BingoBoingo: What, yall can't jsut tear up a chunk of yard and toss some seeds on the ground?
jurov: ascii_butugychag: you need food controllers in your wot.. and then simpler to have producers directly
ascii_butugychag: i happen to see reasoning about items glued together by happenstance as if they were intrinsically the same, as lame.
jurov: there is no economic incentive for your food controllers not to cheat
ascii_butugychag: if i could grep a tomato, they would be entirely cleavable.
ascii_butugychag: rather than philosophically.
ascii_butugychag: they are only uncleavables because of tech limitations
ascii_butugychag: it would be regardless. because provenance guarantees nothing, the soil in which perfectly traditional tomato grew could have strontium, etc.
pete_dushenski: w/o provenance, there is only every.
pete_dushenski: sounds like a make-work project for the slave army you don't have
ascii_butugychag: if it were possible to 'replicate' a prime grade tomato, for the cost of mains power, would you eat it ?
ascii_butugychag: when all i care about is taste and poison - the latter is objectively quantifiable
pete_dushenski: aha. there's that too, yes.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: they sometimes ~claim~ to, and it tastes like shit
ascii_butugychag: (except for when the farmer's market is in season)
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:38:03; asciilifeform: e.g. there is no 'i don't care if the chicken ate gmo corn but please no antibiotic' shop
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: i sure as fuck buy. but also understand that i am stuck paying for voodoo claptrap at the same time as the reduced poison, you cannot bid for them separately
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: you live in usistan and ~don't~ buy organic fruits&vegetables ? not that 'usda organic' is much to go on, nor that it's readily distinguishable which of the 35 ~other~ organic brands is meaningful, but none of them are worse than "normal", ie. tasteless tomatoes
ascii_butugychag: it necessarily appears. if not monsanto, then dow chemical, or somebody else.
ascii_butugychag: in that light monsanto is just a devil conjured up by the premise.
ascii_butugychag: the premise that 'we need cheaper, above all else, food, so that all may eat'
ascii_butugychag: as described in an old mircea_popescu article, it is from ~this premise~ that the other atrocities flow
ascii_butugychag: the purpose - cheap food at all costs.
ascii_butugychag: the ~end~ is evil.
ascii_butugychag: it would not especially matter if they had spiffy and reliable technology.
ascii_butugychag: the other thing is that the 'gmo' hysterial supports an entire hipster pseudoindustry of 'organic'
ascii_butugychag: the automatic implication is that, e.g., tasteless tomatoes are a-ok so long as they are ~selectively bred~ for truck endurance rather than 'gmo'-d, for instance
ascii_butugychag: to frame the conversation as being particularly 'about genes' is a deliberate and carefully-constructed memetic gambit by monsanto et al
ascii_butugychag: same issue there
ascii_butugychag: 'The allegations of extrajudicial killings are just the latest problem between Wallstrom and Israel, and they are just one of a number of disputes the Swedish foreign minister has found herself embroiled in since entering office in October 2014. Sweden has been pursuing what has been called a "feminist foreign policy" since then – one that has led to notable diplomatic spats with Morocco
pete_dushenski: to those of numerous safety tests carried out by food and drug agencies around the world, which indicate that there are no dangers associated with eating GM food." << in still other news, if you don't agree with party line, you're a wrecker. more at 11.
pete_dushenski: "Papers that describe harmful effects to animals fed genetically modified (GM) crops are under scrutiny for alleged data manipulation. The leaked findings of an ongoing investigation at the University of Naples in Italy suggest that images in the papers may have been intentionally altered. The leader of the lab that carried out the work there says that there is no substance to this claim. The papers’ findings run c
assbot: Israeli parents wondered why school trips to Auschwitz cost so much. The answer may be price-fixing. - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1PDIRTr )
pete_dushenski: more wapo gold (teeth?) https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/01/19/israeli-parents-wondered-why-school-trips-to-auschwitz-cost-so-much-the-answer-may-be-price-fixing/
pete_dushenski: sadly, but persistently, this is the case, yes.
ascii_butugychag: if it is chewing on crapolade, it is not eating the next valid block.
ascii_butugychag: the evaluator, if you will, is single-threaded.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: you realize that it isn't actually sitting and verifying the block, right ?
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: fine for me because i don't think tevye's processing them any faster than that. was stuck on 022 for like 4 hours. now stuck on 029
BingoBoingo: In other news Clitler MS Exchange scandal is escalating. Not just Top Seekrit nao. Special Access, and Compartmented shit nao. Time to count her lizard scales
ascii_butugychag: which is why the 400 thing is a joke