mod6: this test tx was processed by the original code.
mircea_popescu: this is turning into quite the bitch is it ?
mircea_popescu: heh. the imf has no trb mandate, nor will it.
mircea_popescu: reminds me of a story of rachel welch's bra and the most important man in the world.
mircea_popescu: turns out all the "richest country in the world" could muster was a coupla days' of 10% and a readily defeated pair of anonymous junkies.
assbot: So Gavin, will you hold the repository keys to Main Bitcoin classic repo ? : Bitcoin_Classic ... ( http://bit.ly/1QnnEC5 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: i guess this is funny because back when I first started writing code, a hundred million internet years ago, i liked the first way better.
mod6: rather than:
mod6: (the code)
mod6 is not a fan of the style used in here
mod6: ok changes made. gonna recompile send some test txn, then if all *seems* well, will share my vpatch
mod6: thanks for asking. i just went through my high-S enforcement code by hand, and i know for sure that I have an error in there. about to fix it and try that out.
ben_vulpes: mod6: didja ever share an actual patch for the code you're working on? brief face-grep through logs reveals nada
BingoBoingo: Last block, quite the stinker by F2Pool
pete_dushenski: obviously the 'researchers' were able to take us congressional floor debates, chop 'em up, and spit out something that sounds no worse. garbage in, garbage out. now try this with actual debates from actual history and see how far you get. my guess : not far.
pete_dushenski: "Many political speeches show the same structures and same characteristics regardless of the actual topic. Some phrases and arguments appear again and again and indicate a certain political affiliation or opinion. We want to use these remarkable patterns to train a system that generates new speeches"
assbot: The cheque republic: money in a modern economy with no banks. | Bank Underground ... ( http://bit.ly/1nyVZ5J )
pete_dushenski: http://bankunderground.co.uk/2016/01/20/the-cheque-republic-money-in-a-modern-economy-with-no-banks/
mod6: you never know when you might need to fit 7 hookers in the car.
mod6: its a pretty nice vehicle. its like all the power of a full-size truck with some extra seating.
pete_dushenski: tbh i like yours the best. but i might just be partial to that gen because i sold a couple of 'em in my day even ;)
mod6: i guess im just happy that i have windows that roll up and heat. that old shitter that i got for free (basically) was pretty cold driving down the freeway at 65mph when it's -25 F.
mod6: yeah, a bit. the new ones look even less curvy than mine,... more of a boxy look
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 19:27:41; mod6: no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes.
jurov: and they will self-discharge 4% per day, nothing for occassional usage :D
jurov: did the same calculation about nimh, it actually comes out similar
shinohai: But - needless distraction for I am sure you need to concentrate the real effort on this S value problem. >.>
mod6: does bitcoind start, even if the verstring doesn't change?
mod6: the first line is the actual tx, and this part "DEBUG DER S: <hex S value>" comes from: printf("DEBUG DER S: 0x%s\n", BN_bn2hex(sig->s));
mod6: <+hanbot> eh, can't complain. got a sunburn, acquired another deskbox...speaking of which i'ma want to test trinque's makefile bonanza soon, may be firing derpquestions. << cool! i need some sunshine myself.
hanbot: eh, can't complain. got a sunburn, acquired another deskbox...speaking of which i'ma want to test trinque's makefile bonanza soon, may be firing derpquestions.
ascii_butugychag: and why the fuck would i buy a new one?!
mircea_popescu: so, yeah, just the scavengeable parts retail for less in the tesla than they would outside.
ascii_butugychag: i linked to the motor.
mircea_popescu: well i guess there's that.
mircea_popescu: these are kinda small, prepackaged.
mircea_popescu: even at 1/10 that, 70kWh battery is then 70k.
mircea_popescu: seems about 10 bux per Wh, off the boat ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Why list a capacity that is just going to rapidly decay as soon as it leaves the lot?
mircea_popescu: "70 kWh or 85 kWh microprocessor controlled, lithium-ion battery". what the fuck does this mean.
mircea_popescu: https://www.teslamotors.com/support/model-s-specifications << imbeciles don't list battery capacity. wtf is with these people.
BingoBoingo just like the Irony of Musk personally wrecking derps car into undeliverability after deposit placed
ascii_butugychag: actually i will point out, re: earlier observation, that the battery and motor are worth, using the free market (ebay) metric, 10k max
mircea_popescu: "If Tesla is logging interactions with their customers (like phone-calls) to a national database, why didnt they notice that someone was calling in and only getting voicemail. Shouldnt this be a red-flag, or shouldnt someone at Telsa HQ be reaching out to find out why/whats going on/why someone keeps calling so often?"
ascii_butugychag: for another, money
mircea_popescu: however, uses for either item are readily apparent in a minifactory/macrolab the sort a boy genius may have built himself.
mircea_popescu: now, driving this assemblage as if it were a car is the height of ridiculousness.
BingoBoingo: But yes, this is what selling to the derps who have paper wealth is like
mircea_popescu: holy shit the attention span of these derps ?! they actually will fuck around for weeks over a product they're not even that interested in with some random salesdude ?
BingoBoingo: https://archive.is/wgC6B << Tesla does the Avalon pre-Order scam if you try to buy used
mod6: and a blaze stocking cap. nothing else i have in the jacket/hat department is warm enough for dec/jan/feb
ascii_butugychag: this is unpleasantly reminiscent of the unicode faces thread
mod6: otherwise someone might be like, "bird! oh no that's just mod6."
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab << i wear blaze
mircea_popescu: i loved fallout, but really hated "tactics" and stopped bothering.
assbot: Fans’ Intense Love For Fallout: New Vegas Must Be Weird For Bethesda ... ( http://bit.ly/20fvccB )
ascii_butugychag: unrelatedly, a crapple pad and one of the apps offered for that machine actually make an ok trb reader
mircea_popescu: firing off some wartnings before actually shooting is considered the polite and civilised way where i come from.
BingoBoingo: I just find the potential to change the rural aesthetic lulzy if Blaze pink does work better.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski depends what you're trying to achieve. if you're trying to achieve more forbes, then yes.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: a more effective tactic than mp's legal threats, at least in the case of forbes ;/
mircea_popescu: no fucking hunter in the history of hunting wore anything but green and olive drab
assbot: Remember the Forbes article "Something Rotten In the State of Bitcoin"? I put in a complaint and the writer was forced to change the article. : btc ... ( http://bit.ly/20ftmZh )
shinohai: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/41uhh0/remember_the_forbes_article_something_rotten_in/ <<< yay the SJW's win! No moar racism!
BingoBoingo: "In Wisconsin, there has been some opposition to the measure, though it has passed the Assembly and was scheduled for a Senate vote Wednesday. Opponents included some women hunters who viewed the measure as sexist, and others who see it as pandering to women." << Sexist even though more visible to other armed persons and less visible to deer
assbot: In the pink? Costello bill would allow hunters to wear blaze pink, not just orange | Belleville News-Democrat ... ( http://bit.ly/20fsK5Z )
mircea_popescu: fellow that in early 1500s proposed the germinative theory of disease, but gets no credit for it like ever ?
mircea_popescu: btw, speaking of inventions etc, anyone know the sad story of Girolamo Fracastoro ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag it's pretty much a given they were doing her in the butt huh ? given the sizes.
ascii_butugychag: 'snow white and the seven shitgnomes'
mircea_popescu: didn't you read the stories when you were a kid ?
mircea_popescu: you don't understand how the shitworld works. can't say the name or it vanishes in thin air!
mod6: Revenge of the Shitgnomes
mircea_popescu: maybe it could be the world wide dweeb.
ascii_butugychag: ever since the blockheaders thing
ascii_butugychag: nah that's the current prb
mircea_popescu: The Ballchain Technologies ?
mircea_popescu: ultimate is when they spend 6 months baiting people on forums pretending they've got the new daikatana
mircea_popescu: reloaded is when they know it'll fail.
mircea_popescu: OBVIOUSLY there's nothing wrong.
mircea_popescu: "To be sure, theres nothing wrong with LSD" bwahahahaha
mircea_popescu: i really hope they go with "ultimate" next. it has this flavour of old Vivendi spunk and unemployed, failed "strategists" and "designers" of unplayable reboots of stale franchises.
BingoBoingo in my most paranoid moments is tempted to believe to Toomim drug meltdown was orchestrated as an easy way out of the "ClassicCoin" failure
mircea_popescu: hey... if a man "takes" a woman, when he is done with her it is the woman that carries away bits of the man, not vice-versa.
ascii_butugychag: from what i know of mountain folk (the very endearing chechens esp.) they certainly see the payback they get from the plainsfolk they chronically rape as 'unfair'
mircea_popescu: obviously, an empire nearby spent many years "helping them".
mircea_popescu: know what unites, the "failed northerner" with the "failed mountain man" with the "failed subsaharian" ? guess ?
mircea_popescu: yeah well... there's that. there's another thing also : a better argument can be brought that the eskimo and the chechens are "worthless neerdowells". and these are very different haplogroups too
ascii_butugychag: who existed for millenia and left no ruins worth the mention, never saw the planet until enslaved, etc
ascii_butugychag: 'the folks who stayed behind' (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: there's at least three. there's the superhawt, tall, muscular men of pure black. there's the skinny short grayish type. there's more.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea what'd be "africa". there's a bunch of major ones. and they are mixed with stuff like the persians, which... invented civilisation.
mircea_popescu: i somehow doubt there is a good "africa" haplogroup.
ben_vulpes: only 'colour warz' i'm aware of are the preference of crackers for north africans over african americans
ascii_butugychag: just referring to the hypothesis, amply supported, that the folks who actually make something of themselves, have proportionately less africa in them
mircea_popescu: look at those eu maps, the continent's deeply divided genetically, nobody's fighting.
ascii_butugychag: well the not-so-seekrit factual basis for the colour warz among the blacks themselves
mircea_popescu: what haplogrup was martin luther king ? or is such knowledge forbidden in the united obscurantistlands.
mircea_popescu: this is interesting, if not obviously useful. just like all the rest of the stuff. nascent field is typically interesting in this manner but not useful (also in this manner).
mircea_popescu: or for that matter, "Bogdanowicza et al. (2009) tested the Y-chromosomal DNA and mitochondrial DNA of the exhumed remains of the Prussian Renaissance astronomer Nicolaus Copernicus. They established that he belonged to mt-haplogroup H27 (defined by the mutations 16129A and 16316G)."
mircea_popescu: still, you know, from that same link : "Lucotte et al. (2010) recovered the DNA of Napoleon Bonaparte from beard hair follicules and compared it to that of his mother, Letizia, and his younger sister Caroline. All three shared the same rare 16184T mutation, which places them within haplogroup H15a1b.
mircea_popescu: there's a dozen or so "main" clades. but they are subdivided, and the subdivisions subdivide. there's tens of thousands of subdivisions of the most common subdivisions of the more common clades.
mircea_popescu: this is unavoidable, incidentally, for the same reason life exists.
mircea_popescu: that's what drives the entire "take it easy" angle on genetics.
jurov: there
mircea_popescu: isn't it the best most culture cuntry in world anymore ?
mircea_popescu: (but no, 23 corp sold exactly another pitato, which is all the 2nd best korea's good for these days. just like their cell service. or their computers. etc.)
mircea_popescu: "From the Bronze Age, R1b male lineages replaced a large percentage of Megalithic Y-haplogroups, but female Megalithic lineages survived almost unchanged in frequency."
mircea_popescu: ethnohistoric : "Celtic culture was born from the fusion of Indo-European paternal lineages (R1b) with native Central and Western European maternal lineages (including H1, H3, H10, J1c, K1a, T2, U5 and X2)."
mircea_popescu: with quotes. medical : "Ruiz-Pesini et al. (2000) reported that men belonging to haplogroup H have the lowest risk of asthenozoospermia (reduced sperm motility)." ; "A study by Baudouin et al. (2005) found that members of haplogroup H had increased chance of survival from severe sepsis at 180 days compared with individuals from other haplogroups."
mircea_popescu: ask your representative why you can't have it in the 2nd best korea.
mircea_popescu: btw, for the racists in attendance : http://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_H_mtDNA.shtml << there's a lot of studies about various haplogroups and genetic history of populations in yurp.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 18:37:41; deedbot-: [Qntra] Netherlands Arrests 10 For Money - http://qntra.net/2016/01/netherlands-arrests-10-for-money/
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 16:36:22; mircea_popescu: the actual bitcoin network looks like a fuzz atop those teeth
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: read the src, it won't kill you
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: does -addnode auto-invoke 8333 then ?
mircea_popescu: unless you're keeping the army for offensive purposes (ie, we do 51% attacks etc), the army costs the town, does not produce for the town.
mircea_popescu: PeterL i doubt it'd be practical to try and get the miner to subsidize the wot. i expect it to work the other way around.
ascii_butugychag: pete_dushenski: 8333 is the traditional, you can set to whatever else, or not listen at all if you -connect
PeterL: I was thinking if they are in WoT it is not spam, anything else should be considered spammy and need higher fee?
pete_dushenski: ascii_butugychag: what ports can i use for trb while syncing ? and is there a good reason why trb should jump on 8333 without me telling it to, and without being completely synced ? because this seems to be a recurring issue on my end.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: "But anyway, to answer a question from the public in more detail : poorly. I've never been this humiliated in my life." << nuts. my mind, it asploded.
thestringpuller: most of it must be spam then
PeterL: <pete_dushenski> holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another. << and fees are still only ~2% of reward
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag if it is the matter's not settled.
pete_dushenski: like the idiots that give us leccy and internet access.
mircea_popescu: these idiots keep you safe.
pete_dushenski: after watching tevye choke on all the fucking idiots "connect" "disconnect" "socket closed" blahblah, it seemed sane, but the miner relay is, yes, a significant potential boojum
mircea_popescu: as the subsidy dies out, trying to be a miner will be a lot like trying to be a lawyer.
mircea_popescu: but yes, the problem is here : the miners aren't actually doing anything and have no power. for all the posturing, they are at the sheer mercy of the actual bitcoin holders and traders.
ascii_butugychag: rather than 'hey fellaz let's all use -connect'
mircea_popescu: yes yes, it's correct. and next thing you know the transactions are no longer publicly relayed (because why the fuck would i give the fee to random miners) and lo and behold we've split in the worst way.
assbot: Logged on 20-01-2016 02:04:07; asciilifeform: the ~correct~ behaviour for a node is to service a hand-picked set of trusted peers
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-01-2016#1378039 << was thinking same thing as i went to sleep last night. makes perfect sense for connections to work in the way alf proposes here.
pete_dushenski: holy cramoly the size of these blocks is bananas, son. it's one 900kb+ after another after another.
mircea_popescu: (negru voda is the legendary founder & first ruler of wallachia)
mircea_popescu: from a ~1860 notation of the ballad.
mircea_popescu: "down on the river arges, on a nice lawn, teh black king goes with ten people : nine great masters, learned in bricklaying, and manoli, the tenth, who's even better!"
mircea_popescu: "mester" means master, in the ancient sense.
ascii_butugychag: doesn't get to cheat, has to personally stand up the walls
mircea_popescu: if you think about it, getting walls to stay the fuck up hadn't been a point of sufficient isnecurity so as to excite the popular immagination for a good 25 centuries by the time rodari came out.
mircea_popescu: what the derpy romans interpreted as "dacians invading" was merely continuation of a lyfstyle that had at that time three or four millenia of history behind it.
mircea_popescu: it comes from a time of pastoral life, when sheep went up the mountains then back down the mountains into dalmatia
mircea_popescu: (ftr, it's prolly stolen from ro. ie - the ballad itself is very old, older than rome.
mircea_popescu: there's even a thing in .ro folklore about this, balada mesterului manole. he keeps building and stuff keeps falling down.
mircea_popescu: this delusion of "i will build" so common in us "activists" and three year olds really needs the natural check of "go ahead".
mircea_popescu: for the least expenditure of intellectual effort possible we have a full socio-political as well as philosophical!
mircea_popescu: nd). the others - obviously bad, for all they do is take space on the ground for no good reason!
mircea_popescu: i suppose this is how the pedestrian notion of "good" and "evil" is constructed even. let us arbitrarily divide a set of real objects into "only has height" and "only has width". thus therefore the first set are ~obviously~ good, for they allow you to build up! (how will you manage to allign things with no width on top of each other is a consideration best left to any masochistical engineers still stuck in your swampla
BingoBoingo: http://qntra.net/2016/01/twitters-jack-dorsey-no-longer-a-paper-billionaire/ << Updated, forgot the obligatory "Sorry for your loss" on initial publication
mircea_popescu: then yeah, miserable illustration.
ascii_butugychag: this was re: the slave example
mircea_popescu: and do they ?
ascii_butugychag: masochist in the sense where an outsider does not know if 'do x or get beating' is a bribe or a threat
mircea_popescu: and while i am not certain "masochists" can be separated from the general population, i am well certain that they are not a category to be, and that you're plenty one yourself.
mircea_popescu: they being both a length.
mircea_popescu: no. but a thing's "width" and its "height" ARE the same thing.
ascii_butugychag: in application to ~masochists~ i'm not certain they are separable from the outside of the head..
mircea_popescu: laymen famously can not separate the entreatment from the threat in what i say to my slaves.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: seawater and uranium are then also 'same thing' ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag they're substantially the same thing, the division is a matter of interpretation.
mircea_popescu: to rest the matter, let's just say that there's excellent reason the us supreme court only rules on actual cases, never on factitious proposition.
ascii_butugychag: but to say that there is 'no difference between promise and thread', just because of this residual treat in the candy, is lunacy
mircea_popescu: trinque no but he's asking me what he's doing when he's the one doing it. and in all honesty he expects me to answer. i suppose in the same honesty he expects a snippet of code somwhere exists which says "how to subdue women". god knows the PUA subculture's been working tediously at it.
mircea_popescu: ok, so then you are.
ascii_butugychag: mircea_popescu: in the sense of your earlier example, yes
BingoBoingo: Twas a cruddy film but of all the comic book to film adaptations, twas the one that has sucked the least
ascii_butugychag: there was a cruddy american film some time in bush era about sparta
mircea_popescu: lol why the messenger ?
mircea_popescu: so as to silence the annoying women.
mircea_popescu: the brits at the time of their ill advised eastern trip thought nothing of caning children to death, and the general practice was to send off the louts to live as slaves to other people,
mircea_popescu: that whole narrative is something like "look at these people who gave us syphilis, it finds itself in biological equilibrium in their country and so they don't get it all that much and it's mostly under control - but here, lord! every face is covered! how much better we have it than they do!"
mircea_popescu: it infested the brits, they brought it back like the intellectual equivalent of the french pox.
mircea_popescu: well... they invented "unfair" crapolade. what the fuck do you think confucianism is ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_butugychag now you want to separate facts from their representation, and have your way with the representation aside.
BingoBoingo: ":The results came out, the mine can not afford the risk of the mining machine brick, the Classic will not be upgraded to 2MB of program. "
mircea_popescu: just because they're not separable does not mean that in consideration and by way of compensation now you get to separate an arbitrary something else.
ascii_butugychag: and what, 'what's 2+2?' 'how should i know? go add them and i'll tell you'
mircea_popescu: human speech is in all cases a promise and a threat, together. if you go see a house for rent and you offer 100k, what you are saying is "stand with me and make 100k, or stand aside and damn you all". no matter how faint either side, it's there. it has to be for speech to be meaningful.
ascii_butugychag: the famous '80s scotus case where 'police are not ~required~ to show up even if they know the hour of your advance murder' thing
mircea_popescu: (and once he tries, the show stops)
mircea_popescu: judge's the least convincing mobster out there, even he knows he can't really get away with that.
ascii_butugychag: the whole no-overlapping-turfs thing is supposed to be guaranteed by turf war, etc. i get it
mircea_popescu: if he pays and he sees a derp with gasoline fucking around and he calls you up, what then ?
ascii_butugychag: then 'too bad' ?
ascii_butugychag: now these, everyone has met, i think
mircea_popescu: less to explain. "the meaning should be obvious"
mircea_popescu: this fellow's illiterate. he sees the world through eyes of stupidity, which is why he says "dead direct". it's a barbarism in romanian, but he needs to import a foreign symbol because well... sounds better thus.
ascii_butugychag: can haz example? let's say bag man helpfully tells restaranteur, '$x/mo. or your place burns'. where is the hidden bribe ?
mircea_popescu: and nothe that his oh-so-creative "understanding" and "thought process" is both purely symbolic and specifically symbolic.
mircea_popescu: you're thick. there is no bribe that doesn't contain a threat, nor is there any threat that is anything but a veiled bribe.
ascii_butugychag: am i think or what, i don't see the equivalence. bribery and threat are approx. as equivalent as arses and elbows
mircea_popescu: the fellow says "if i were to be a pimp [ie, the dream mode, because hey, that's what he understood of a discussion of technology, that "being an engineer" is a blessed state, to be obtained through divine grace and / or ordination] i wouldn't beat the women, for they'd be more productive thus. but also, if they piss me off, "dead" directly. you know, like puff daddy.
mircea_popescu: the article is "how to be a pimp - a simple guide, easy to understand and exhaustive". which it is. which it exactly is.
ascii_butugychag: and, e.g., bribery vs extortion, rather separate skill sets, no ?
ascii_butugychag: but given the mammalian tendency to 'hate to lose more than loving to win' (as described in a mircea_popescu article !) it makes sense to distinguish 'threat' and 'promise' as items
mod6: no heat in the suburban, made appt. to have it fixed. showed up this am like "ok do your thing..". They said, "oh, can you pick it up tomorrow? we're busy...". Like wtf. It's literally like a 15 minute job. How do I know? Because I just did it myself instead and if I exclude the drive time to pick up and buy the part itself, ~15 minutes.
mircea_popescu: you say that that's what you do professionally, separate things, and there's merit to the view. but also... some things don't belong apart.
mircea_popescu: what starded as a more humane way to disposses the old (see balzac, he describes it in detail), has meanwhile become the universal way to cleave yourself from everything.
ascii_butugychag: then yes.
mircea_popescu: the sad fact of today's business environment is that you can also sell for promise.
ascii_butugychag: or some other set ?
ascii_butugychag: so mircea_popescu, which 'wrong people' might that be? the ones with 'no money and no engineers' ?
thestringpuller: The block erupters you could plug into USB.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: ASICMINER tried this and then went bankrupt shortly after.
BingoBoingo: The S.BBET vs. S.DICE bet was grand
BingoBoingo: Resolving is the funnest part of BitBet
mircea_popescu: the wrong people bought.
mircea_popescu: apparently there's been a sale last year, and well...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo bitfury is utterly evil these days.
BingoBoingo: Lol, noise holes are suggesting the "miner" Buttfury plans on selling to the public is another 21co style Internet of things device. Just another PiTaTo
ascii_butugychag: they are full of 'napoleons', but also there is always a reasonable number of 'glass pitchers', 'acorns', etc
BingoBoingo: ascii_butugychag: Tortilla's brain did fine simulating the drug experience without chemical assistance
mircea_popescu: and how do you know they didn't ?
ascii_butugychag: there was reptilia...
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Or just trying to "be cool" like all those movie stoners or something. It's not unknown among USG agents to either have or have invented a "groovy" drug history.
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many people burned themselves trying to be me. perhaps i find out one day.
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: That would be suspicious
BingoBoingo: "Peoples reactions to the discussion have been mixed, with people pointing out that the discussion was inappropriate in a group of essentially strangers. Furthermore, Bitcoin has been associated with drug use throughout its entire history, and perhaps it is in the interest of the community to separate itself from that." << lolz ClassicCoin can't even win outlets that flirted with Garza's Paycoin